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So I've been in a rather involved discussion of pornography recently, and thought I'd hash out my opinions on NSG.

1: The idea that pornography is exploitive to women stems from the idea that women are being taken advantage of, which implies that they are somehow not mature enough to make their own decisions about sex. Children are exploited. The poor are exploited. Women who choose, for whatever reason, to work in pornography are not exploited (except, of course, in third world countries, organized crime, or whatever where they don't really have a choice, but most porn is not made from those roots.)

2: I have been told that porn is undeniably demeaning toward women. I simply do not see how this is the case in regards to the whole of pornography. Is pornography also demeaning to men that appear in it? How is just an image of two people fucking demeaning?

Women in porn make more than men.

Who does gay porn exploit?

Women in porn aren't exploited, they're just really, really stupid.

They play a important part in reducing prostate cancer. Playboy should get a Nobel prize.

EDIT: Linky (http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn4861-frequent-ejaculation-may-protect-against-cancer.html)

your thread title lied to me :(

Women in porn aren't exploited, they're just really, really stupid.

Why?

Pornography is terribly, terribly wrong. And I love it.

Women in porn aren't exploited, they're just really, really stupid.

Why do you think they're stupid? Maybe they're just exhibitionists.

Who does gay porn exploit?
Women, duhh.

They play a important part in reducing prostate cancer. Playboy should get a Nobel prize.

EDIT: Linky (http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn4861-frequent-ejaculation-may-protect-against-cancer.html)

YEAH baby.. YEAH !!! :D :D :fluffle: :D

Why?

Do they strike you as Nobel Prize winners?

Do they strike you as Nobel Prize winners?

They get money for having sex. Pretty ingenious if you ask me ;)


(yes, I'm aware there's not much fun in doing professional porn...)

Do they strike you as Nobel Prize winners?

Probably not, in that most Nobel Prize winners are earning money a different way, but I don't see why, as a whole, they're stupid.

Do they strike you as Nobel Prize winners?

There's often not much talking going on in porn, but when women in porn do talk, they usually strike me as fairly articulate.

Perhaps you find stupid women attractive. I don't.

There's often not much talking going on in porn, but when women in porn do talk, they usually strike me as fairly articulate.
I don't know if that was meant as a joke, but I found it amusing nevertheless. :p

This thread is worthless without pictures!

This thread is worthless without pictures!

Pictures (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=489636)!

:D

Seriously though, some dissenting opinions would be appreciated, unless I am to believe that all of NSG is pro-porn.

Anyone?

Pictures (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=489636)!

:D
you're off-topic! :P


And yeah, I am female and pro-pron.

Seriously though, some dissenting opinions would be appreciated, unless I am to believe that all of NSG is pro-porn.

Anyone?

The internet itself is pro-porn. What do you expect? :p

You don't strike me as a noble prize winner.

I have three.

Do they strike you as Nobel Prize winners?

You don't strike me as a noble prize winner.

Does this make you stupid?

I have three.

I really hope one of them's for porn, or you're not qualified enough to talk on this subject.

I really hope one of them's for porn, or you're not qualified enough to talk on this subject.

Do you really believe that actors in porn are not stupid, or is this just the usual ultra PC nonsense about not being allowed to call anyone that?

If it makes you feel better, I could call them intellectually challenged.

Do you really believe that actors in porn are not stupid, or is this just the usual ultra PC nonsense about not being allowed to call anyone that?

If it makes you feel better, I could call them intellectually challenged.

Some of them are stupid, sure. But being in pornography doesn't automatically mean that you're stupid. It's like saying models are stupid. Both professions are capable of making large sums of money based off of advertising their 'look'. Some of these people are making good money. Who's stupid here?

So I've been in a rather involved discussion of pornography recently, and thought I'd hash out my opinions on NSG.

1: The idea that pornography is exploitive to women stems from the idea that women are being taken advantage of, which implies that they are somehow not mature enough to make their own decisions about sex. Children are exploited. The poor are exploited. Women who choose, for whatever reason, to work in pornography are not exploited (except, of course, in third world countries, organized crime, or whatever where they don't really have a choice, but most porn is not made from those roots.)

2: I have been told that porn is undeniably demeaning toward women. I simply do not see how this is the case in regards to the whole of pornography. Is pornography also demeaning to men that appear in it? How is just an image of two people fucking demeaning?

seems to me that a woman can choose to be in porn and still be exploited. few porn stars have great career opportunities that they threw over for the joys of fucking for the camera. most women in porn are drug addicts, the victims of sexual abuse or desperate for money.

however i am not in favor of denying women the choice to be in porn. as long as they are adults and free to walk away, it should be legal

some porn is more demeaning than others. if you count nude playboy photos as porn, i wouldnt find that particularly demeaning. a woman paid to have sex with animals on film is demeaned. on the continuum between those 2 things is the grey area of "somewhat demeaning".

yes it demeans men too. the notion that men can never be on the losing end of a heterosexual sex act is wrong.

Seriously though, some dissenting opinions would be appreciated, unless I am to believe that all of NSG is pro-porn.

Anyone?

You are to believe that, old chap.

Some of them are stupid, sure. But being in pornography doesn't automatically mean that you're stupid. It's like saying models are stupid. Both professions are capable of making large sums of money based off of advertising their 'look'. Some of these people are making good money. Who's stupid here?

Having something that you can sell to make money doesn't require intelligence. Wayne Rooney has something that makes him millions, but he's not exactly the sharpest kid on the block.

Admittedly, a general statement is always going to have exceptions. I'm sure there are one or two porn stars that have an IQ above 34.

Do you really believe that actors in porn are not stupid, or is this just the usual ultra PC nonsense about not being allowed to call anyone that?

If it makes you feel better, I could call them intellectually challenged.

It's the inference that all women involved in porn are stupid just because they are involved in porn that I don't like.

It's the inference that all women involved in porn are stupid just because they are involved in porn that I don't like.

There was nothing that deep or clever about my statement. I was just calling them thick.

There was nothing that deep or clever about my statement. I was just calling them thick.

Based on what evidence? Know a lot of porns stars personally, do you?

Having something that you can sell to make money doesn't require intelligence. Wayne Rooney has something that makes him millions, but he's not exactly the sharpest kid on the block.

Admittedly, a general statement is always going to have exceptions. I'm sure there are one or two porn stars that have an IQ above 34.

My point being, is that IQ isn't a factor in producing porn. Willing participants and an eager market are. Sure, you're less likely to find stem cell researchers amongst the porn crowd, but then you are basically saying that anyone who isn't in an intellectual field is 'stupid', which isn't true at all. You might find a genius working in Wal-Mart. You're basically insinuating that the act of being in pornography, translates into instant stupidity.

There was nothing that deep or clever about my statement. I was just calling them thick.

Well, no one can really claim he's trying to disguise his point.... :D

There was nothing that deep or clever about my statement. I was just calling them thick.

I know.

Based on what evidence? Know a lot of porns stars personally, do you?

Maybe I'll invite some round to dinner. I hear they're brilliant for conversations.

My point being, is that IQ isn't a factor in producing porn. Willing participants and an eager market are. Sure, you're less likely to find stem cell researchers amongst the porn crowd, but then you are basically saying that anyone who isn't in an intellectual field is 'stupid', which isn't true at all. You might find a genius working in Wal-Mart. You're basically insinuating that the act of being in pornography, translates into instant stupidity.

I'm not insinuating anything. I'm saying outright that you're reading far too much into this.

2: I have been told that porn is undeniably demeaning toward women. I simply do not see how this is the case in regards to the whole of pornography. Is pornography also demeaning to men that appear in it? How is just an image of two people fucking demeaning?

I believe this stems from the vast amount of porn created where the men are shown as being passivly dominant. Count the number of porn flicks which end with the man ejaculating on the woman's face and you get where this idea comes from.

Not that I don't love porn :D

I'm not insinuating anything. I'm saying outright that you're reading far too much into this.

Fair enough. I kind of stumbled on it half-way through.

Stupid Pornstars *grumble-grumble*

I do not believe porn is exploitive. We are all big girls and boys and we can make decisions ourselves and are responsible for them. I have friends in the adult industry and they do not feel exploited, rather the other way around. The attitude is "If someone is willing to pay to see me naked, then why not take advantage of that?".

I love the human body, especially women's bodies. We in the US have really got our priorites out of wack when we don't bat an eye if a character on a tv show shoots another with a gun, but heaven forbid you show part of a breast during the Superbowl! We should celebrate the human body, not hide it. I also don't think there is anything sexier than a loving couple having sex for the joy of others. I do find some porn demeaning however. Sites that call thier models 'hos, sluts or bitches are doing a disservice to all women. There is really too much porn that is all about humiliating and disrespecting women, where a women is just an object to be used. But I've also seen many sites where they celebate women and sex, where a woman can smart, sexy, aggressive and in control of her body.

Now I'm totally a believer in the First Admendment and do not believe censorship, but I do believe in the free market and our ability to make changes by choosing where to spend our money (or viewing power).

I'm not insinuating anything. I'm saying outright that you're reading far too much into this.

But it's no fun without insinuations. Without them, my reply goes something like:

Your comment was ignorant, and you are silly.

And you smell of fish.

Who doesn't like porn besides the religious right and feminists? Good fun for ervyone.

They play a important part in reducing prostate cancer. Playboy should get a Nobel prize.

EDIT: Linky (http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn4861-frequent-ejaculation-may-protect-against-cancer.html)

I don't know. I hear a lot about Cosmo giving women an unrealistic image of the ideal feminine form, but what would happen if more girls saw Playboy's images of women with spread butt cheeks and no asshole? Buns of Steel can't help you on that one.

Women in porn aren't exploited, they're just really, really stupid.

You'd be amazed at how many have degrees in something or another. It's ridiculous.

Porn is glorifying to women!

But it's no fun without insinuations. Without them, my reply goes something like:

Your comment was ignorant, and you are silly.

And you smell of fish.
Dina, didn't House teach you anything?

Foreman: I think your argument is specious.
House: I think your tie is ugly.
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Dr. Eric Foreman: You assaulted that man!
Dr. Gregory House: Fine. I'll never do it again.
Dr. Eric Foreman: Yes you will.
Dr. Gregory House: All the more reason this debate is pointless.