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This paper was intended to be shown to my close friends at the Catholic High School I go to, but I'd like to get some unbiased insight on my theory.

Feel free to post your opinion of my work, and whether you agree or disagree.





Nameless for Now
No Class
Just Crazy
Or Intoxicated

Theory of God from an Uninhibited Intoxicated Self (Kind of a Direct Contradiction, Huh)

I do not believe in God. Hold on, I will give you a moment in order for you to comprehend and reverberate such a notion in your rather punitive slash incomprehensibly manipulated psyche that might be (if you care anything about me) freaking out at the boldness and conciseness of my provocative and unrelenting statement. Jesus, I write so much better when I am “under the influence”. If typing grammatically correct was not so hard, I might consider typing even more useless garbage intoxicated; hell, I might even come to school totally blasted. Just kidding, I would never do that to myself because my false aura of arrogance and bravado would inadvertently crumble into the abyss like a pathetic piece of fragile glass (Comparing myself to a fragile piece of glass, I like it). All right, now that the senseless babbling and rambling is done, I should probably explain my original statement with more clarity (stop regurgitating your thoughts on paper; that’s babbling too. LOL, but not really funny). Anyway, belief entails a certain notion, a kind of contagious notion that God impacts you in an extraordinary way, essentially interceding in your lives. I cannot assimilate to this notion because that would mean that God really does not like me, but I can acknowledge the existence of a god. Confused? I will explain. I acknowledge the presence of a higher being, for the universe it just too damn complicated and impeccably made for there not to be a higher power, but as for that power being the God proclaimed through the Gospels of Jesus Christ, it is not likely. Think about it, that God, the one who is beloved by nearly all of you (hence the Catholic School) is merely a child toying with inferior beings. He takes people and fucks with them (figuratively), and then, if they become distraught or emotionally inclined to do bad things, he sends them to the burning fire pit of Hell and tortures them immeasurably for all eternity. C’mon (J.K. Rowling uses this word a lot, approximately 8,965 times in the Harry Potter series), how could the all-powerful and ever-living being be inclined to be so judgmental and feeble minded? It does not make any sense whatsoever, but you still find comfort in him? Probably because you like the idea of an afterlife, a perfect paradise that exceeds even your wildest expectations, but this notion of an afterlife, it is so convenient and idealistic that it has to be man made. The universe just does not conform to the whimsical, creative thinking of man. So, are you worried, or do you think I am just a crazy, intoxicated, arrogant, ignorant, non-conformist, radicalist, pathetic person who is spewing horse manure into your much more socially acceptable brain? Oh shit, I am getting sober, and this is getting really tough to write at 4:30 in the morning. In conclusion, God exists but not as the little child playing with his toys; he is an observer, not an intruder in our lives, which are miniscule in relative comparison to the entire universe that God created.

Entertaining....that's about all.

Just Curious, are you the moderator?

Umm...Do you mean Moderator? In which case, no, not really.

*snip*

Is this your Jerry Maguire moment?

Best to re-read in the morning methinks

That is not really a diffinitive answer.

At least say it with some conviction.

That is not really a diffinitive answer.

At least say it with some conviction.

Definitive answers are....unfavorable in my line of work.

I'm crazy, I know.

You are........ spooky about this kind of stuff

I like it. It's silly. :)

Needs moar grammar and paragraphs.

needs more beer.

Nah.

if this is a 'paper' that your going to present to a friend, DON'T use the term LOL.

and why not jut write on in big letters on a piece of paper.

"I AM A GNOSTIC"

Would have saved you some time.

needs more beer.

Cowbell?

This paper was intended to be shown to my close friends at the Catholic High School I go to, but I'd like to get some unbiased insight on my theory.

Feel free to post your opinion of my work, and whether you agree or disagree.





Nameless for Now
No Class
Just Crazy
Or Intoxicated

Theory of God from an Uninhibited Intoxicated Self (Kind of a Direct Contradiction, Huh)

I do not believe in God. Hold on, I will give you a moment in order for you to comprehend and reverberate such a notion in your rather punitive slash incomprehensibly manipulated psyche that might be (if you care anything about me) freaking out at the boldness and conciseness of my provocative and unrelenting statement. Jesus, I write so much better when I am “under the influence”. If typing grammatically correct was not so hard, I might consider typing even more useless garbage intoxicated; hell, I might even come to school totally blasted. Just kidding, I would never do that to myself because my false aura of arrogance and bravado would inadvertently crumble into the abyss like a pathetic piece of fragile glass (Comparing myself to a fragile piece of glass, I like it). All right, now that the senseless babbling and rambling is done, I should probably explain my original statement with more clarity (stop regurgitating your thoughts on paper; that’s babbling too. LOL, but not really funny). Anyway, belief entails a certain notion, a kind of contagious notion that God impacts you in an extraordinary way, essentially interceding in your lives. I cannot assimilate to this notion because that would mean that God really does not like me, but I can acknowledge the existence of a god. Confused? I will explain. I acknowledge the presence of a higher being, for the universe it just too damn complicated and impeccably made for there not to be a higher power, but as for that power being the God proclaimed through the Gospels of Jesus Christ, it is not likely. Think about it, that God, the one who is beloved by nearly all of you (hence the Catholic School) is merely a child toying with inferior beings. He takes people and fucks with them (figuratively), and then, if they become distraught or emotionally inclined to do bad things, he sends them to the burning fire pit of Hell and tortures them immeasurably for all eternity. C’mon (J.K. Rowling uses this word a lot, approximately 8,965 times in the Harry Potter series), how could the all-powerful and ever-living being be inclined to be so judgmental and feeble minded? It does not make any sense whatsoever, but you still find comfort in him? Probably because you like the idea of an afterlife, a perfect paradise that exceeds even your wildest expectations, but this notion of an afterlife, it is so convenient and idealistic that it has to be man made. The universe just does not conform to the whimsical, creative thinking of man. So, are you worried, or do you think I am just a crazy, intoxicated, arrogant, ignorant, non-conformist, radicalist, pathetic person who is spewing horse manure into your much more socially acceptable brain? Oh shit, I am getting sober, and this is getting really tough to write at 4:30 in the morning. In conclusion, God exists but not as the little child playing with his toys; he is an observer, not an intruder in our lives, which are miniscule in relative comparison to the entire universe that God created.

It could be ... could be ... mostly made up, with certain unexplainable circumstances having human psychology attributed to them so we don't feel so fragile, useless and futile with the wasting of breath we already achieve. Could be.
Other answers aren't as comforting as that, perhaps.

I couldn't get past the first sentence due to lack of paragraph structure.

Holy big wall o' text (http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Hypergraphia)!

quite the stream of consciousness.

i can see why you wouldnt believe in THAT god.

its not a choice between "god the bastard" and no god. you can believe in a christian god who loves you, if you want to.

It could be ... could be ... mostly made up, with certain unexplainable circumstances having human psychology attributed to them so we don't feel so fragile, useless and futile with the wasting of breath we already achieve. Could be.
Other answers aren't as comforting as that, perhaps.

Elaborate further
I am sober, for now.
I have no idea what you are saying, and I wrote the paper.

needs more beer.

Could there ever be a time where I won't agree with this statement?

quite the stream of consciousness.

i can see why you wouldnt believe in THAT god.

its not a choice between "god the bastard" and no god. you can believe in a christian god who loves you, if you want to.

The christian god failed me a long time ago.

Could there ever be a time where I won't agree with this statement?

When you feel like something stronger?

if this is a 'paper' that your going to present to a friend, DON'T use the term LOL.

and why not jut write on in big letters on a piece of paper.

"I AM A GNOSTIC"

Would have saved you some time.

Merely proclaiming myself a Gnostic would not have been nearly as entertaining as what I did. Wouldn't you have to agree?

As for the term LOL, I don't see a problem with it as refrenced in my paper.

The christian god failed me a long time ago.

oh i thought you said you dont believe in god. how could he have failed you?

The christian god failed me a long time ago.

oh i thought you said you dont believe in god. how could he have failed you?

I also hate that non-existent fucker.

Elaborate further
I am sober, for now.
I have no idea what you are saying, and I wrote the paper.

Soooooo sigworthy. :D

As in, it's probably better to understand consequences without invocation.

See:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12552406&postcount=26

Merely proclaiming myself a Gnostic would not have been nearly as entertaining as what I did. Wouldn't you have to agree?

As for the term LOL, I don't see a problem with it as refrenced in my paper.

LOL is internet 'slang'. It should not be used a paper your going to give someone. It would be like using emoticons.

I don't know on what you were intoxicated, but I envy you. If I try to write while drunk, I just end up watching porn and listening to 90s pop music. It's fun, but not very productive.

That said, I think it's rather annoying, when people stop believing in God because they don't like him. They say, why would God create a world with so much suffering? Why would God give us such rigid rules to follow that most of us are bound to be punished in eternal flames of Hell, if we don't accept his mercy? Why would God create a Hell in the first place?

Well, why the hell not? If we assume that God created man as his own image, doesn't that mean that God has the same personality traits as do humans? That includes the bad things too. If you read the Old Testament, you will find a lot of support for that claim. The way I see it, we as individuals are rather insignificant in relation to the big picture, whatever that may be. Just like the citizen of my nation, when I'm playing Civilization 2 on my computer.

Even if we assume that God is benevolent on average, I can't imagine him shitting himself over a couple of souls, who may or may not be saved depending on whether they can stick to the rules or not. And if the rules are too strict for us, tough shit. It's God's universe, he can set us whatever rules he pleases. If we can't live up to his expectations, it just means that we need to try harder.

Either that, or that we were inadequately created in the first place. That would mean that God isn't all-knowing and all-powerful, as the Bible claims. Another argument that atheists often use to disprove God. I just can't understand why God would have to be able to do and know all, including all possible futures and logical paradoxes. It's an obsolete description; the Bible was written almost 2000 years ago to a bunch of middle-eastern nomads. They didn't have time, interest, or ability to worry about the philosophical sides of omnipotence, so its definition was a lot more concise to them than it is to us.

Let's also remember that modern Christianity has been contaminated by many other belief systems, and that the Bible is full of errors in translation and interpretation. Thou shalt not kill? Actually it is 'thou shalt not murder', murder being the killing of someone, who doesn't deserve it, or whose death isn't necessary. Executing a criminal and slaying an enemy in a war, for example, are perfectly OK. Thou shalt not take God's name in vain? It means that if you swear an oath in God's name, you mustn't break it. It has nothing to do with foul language, as is commonly believed. Just a couple of examples I heard from someone, who has studied the Bible in the original languages.

In conclusion I'd just like to say to everyone, stop taking things too damn literally. I hope this rant doesn't make me seem like a fundamentalist of any sort, because, I assure you, I am not. I'm just feeling a bit intoxicated at the moment for some reason, even though I'm not that either.

oh i thought you said you dont believe in god. how could he have failed you?

I have re-examined my faith multiple times. There was once a time when I believed in your Christion God, but certain life expierences, including the death of my father from Lou Gehrig's disease and the death of my mother from retroactive cervical cancer, have cause me to alter and re-evaluate my theological ideology quit a bit.
Happy Now
So, in a way, your Christian God failed me, and I saught a way to justify an alternate higher power, one that had no influence on my life in this regard.

LOL is internet 'slang'. It should not be used a paper your going to give someone. It would be like using emoticons.

Internet jargon is perfectly acceptable in a paper you write totally inebriated.

Plus, my friends, they are in high school. It's not like I am showing a dissertation to my superiors.

I don't know on what you were intoxicated, but I envy you.........

It was a fifth of cheap Vodka.

Thank you for your opinion. I rather appreciate intelligent ranting.

Soooooo sigworthy. :D

As in, it's probably better to understand consequences without invocation.

:confused: You are just way over my head on this one.

I have re-examined my faith multiple times. There was once a time when I believed in your Christion God, but certain life expierences, including the death of my father from Lou Gehrig's disease and the death of my mother from retroactive cervical cancer, have cause me to alter and re-evaluate my theological ideology quit a bit.
Happy Now
So, in a way, your Christian God failed me, and I saught a way to justify an alternate higher power, one that had no influence on my life in this regard.

MY christian god? i have no christian god.

id say YOUR christian god failed you.

you have a faulty view of god that led you to abject bitterness (and who can blame you?). you could have had a view of god that comforted you through this terrible time. many others have found such comfort.

:confused: You are just way over my head on this one.

Gartref nailed it (as is often the case):

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12552404&postcount=27

It was a fifth of cheap Vodka.

Thank you for your opinion. I rather appreciate intelligent ranting.

Wow, nobody has ever called my rantings intelligent before.

Thanks. :)

Wow, nobody has ever called my rantings intelligent before.
I am quite surprised, as you raise valid points, and the rant itself is coherent. In contrast to rants during Vappu...
Considering the Bible, you mentioned translation problems from the ancient languages they were written in to modern-day speak, across four or more languages in some cases (Hebrew (OT) -> Greek (NT) -> Latin -> German (the first vernacular, from Greek)). Aramaic could possibly be included in there as well. Anyhow, you say that "the Bible was written almost 2000 years ago to a bunch of middle-eastern nomads". In tradition, God dictated the Bible to his people (and I assume this is what you mean), and there could have easily been the same translation problems with whatever God revealed to whomever was writing it. We have all been in such a situation that it becomes hard to express ourselves. Imagine if you were being compelled to express the feelings of another. In other words, there could have easily been problems with the original inscriptions of the Bible, do to a lack of words or a misunderstanding. Just another problem I would like to suggest.
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I have been spending some time trying to place the last line of the OP into a "general approach" (for lack of a better term) to God.
In conclusion, God exists but not as the little child playing with his toys; he is an observer, not an intruder in our lives, which are miniscule in relative comparison to the entire universe that God created.
I personally feel that it falls under a generally accepted understanding of the Deist philosophy, and I am curious as to if The Pulsating Plusky feels so inclined. Compliments of Wikipedia:
Prior to the 17th century the terms ["deism" and "deist"] were used interchangeably with the terms "theism" and "theist", respectively. ... Theologians and philosophers of the seventeenth century began to give a different signification to the words.... Both [theists and deists] asserted belief in one supreme God, the Creator.... and agreed that God is personal and distinct from the world. But the theist taught that god remained actively interested in and operative in the world which he had made, whereas the deist maintained that God endowed the world at creation with self-sustaining and self-acting powers and then abandoned it to the operation of these powers acting as second causes.
I think it fits the bill quite well.

MY christian god? i have no christian god.

id say YOUR christian god failed you.

you have a faulty view of god that led you to abject bitterness (and who can blame you?). you could have had a view of god that comforted you through this terrible time. many others have found such comfort.

It is an idealistic assumption that people find comfort in God during times of sorrow, and therefore, I will condemn your assumption just as you condemned my so called "faulty perception of God", for you lack the expierence I have to justify such an assumptious notion (but of course, I am being presumptious). If you have, by the ever so slight a chance, expierenced something similare to my pain, I will of course retract my bold words, but please...please, don't pity me with those insensitive words which expose your ignorance towards my situation.

Also, please explain to me what a true veiw of god is?
I'd really appreciate it, my fellow non-Christian.

Truth be told, I like the idea of a deist far more than a theist, but I never really thought about it in that context before.

Thanks for the post. Very Informative

This paper was intended to be shown to my close friends at the Catholic High School I go to, but I'd like to get some unbiased insight on my theory.

Feel free to post your opinion of my work, and whether you agree or disagree.





Nameless for Now
No Class
Just Crazy
Or Intoxicated

Theory of God from an Uninhibited Intoxicated Self (Kind of a Direct Contradiction, Huh)

I do not believe in God. Hold on, I will give you a moment in order for you to comprehend and reverberate such a notion in your rather punitive slash incomprehensibly manipulated psyche that might be (if you care anything about me) freaking out at the boldness and conciseness of my provocative and unrelenting statement. Jesus, I write so much better when I am “under the influence”. If typing grammatically correct was not so hard, I might consider typing even more useless garbage intoxicated; hell, I might even come to school totally blasted. Just kidding, I would never do that to myself because my false aura of arrogance and bravado would inadvertently crumble into the abyss like a pathetic piece of fragile glass (Comparing myself to a fragile piece of glass, I like it). All right, now that the senseless babbling and rambling is done, I should probably explain my original statement with more clarity (stop regurgitating your thoughts on paper; that’s babbling too. LOL, but not really funny). Anyway, belief entails a certain notion, a kind of contagious notion that God impacts you in an extraordinary way, essentially interceding in your lives. I cannot assimilate to this notion because that would mean that God really does not like me, but I can acknowledge the existence of a god. Confused? I will explain. I acknowledge the presence of a higher being, for the universe it just too damn complicated and impeccably made for there not to be a higher power, but as for that power being the God proclaimed through the Gospels of Jesus Christ, it is not likely. Think about it, that God, the one who is beloved by nearly all of you (hence the Catholic School) is merely a child toying with inferior beings. He takes people and fucks with them (figuratively), and then, if they become distraught or emotionally inclined to do bad things, he sends them to the burning fire pit of Hell and tortures them immeasurably for all eternity. C’mon (J.K. Rowling uses this word a lot, approximately 8,965 times in the Harry Potter series), how could the all-powerful and ever-living being be inclined to be so judgmental and feeble minded? It does not make any sense whatsoever, but you still find comfort in him? Probably because you like the idea of an afterlife, a perfect paradise that exceeds even your wildest expectations, but this notion of an afterlife, it is so convenient and idealistic that it has to be man made. The universe just does not conform to the whimsical, creative thinking of man. So, are you worried, or do you think I am just a crazy, intoxicated, arrogant, ignorant, non-conformist, radicalist, pathetic person who is spewing horse manure into your much more socially acceptable brain? Oh shit, I am getting sober, and this is getting really tough to write at 4:30 in the morning. In conclusion, God exists but not as the little child playing with his toys; he is an observer, not an intruder in our lives, which are miniscule in relative comparison to the entire universe that God created.

Well, I have a few points on this matter
1. God does not meddle with every aspect of your life, he mearly has a plan set out for you at creation.

2. You are NOT sent to hell for being sinful or emotionally distrought, the sin comes in the disbeleif or rebuke of god and the redeeming powwer of jesus (wow, that sounded preachey).

3. God is also not a child playing with inferior beings. He is an all-knowing and seeing father. While he is a vastly superior being, he loves and cares for us so that we may join him in his holy kingdom.

so, I will leave you with that bit of christian propoganda, it sound like regurgetated crap, but it esentially is what the bible portrays as god.

It is an idealistic assumption that people find comfort in God during times of sorrow, and therefore, I will condemn your assumption just as you condemned my so called "faulty perception of God", for you lack the expierence I have to justify such an assumptious notion (but of course, I am being presumptious). If you have, by the ever so slight a chance, expierenced something similare to my pain, I will of course retract my bold words, but please...please, don't pity me with those insensitive words which expose your ignorance towards my situation.

Also, please explain to me what a true veiw of god is?
I'd really appreciate it, my fellow non-Christian.

i didnt say there was a true view of god.

i said there is a faulty view of god, perhaps one where god had a plan for your parents and that plan was a far too short life full of senseless suffering.

i despise that view of god. who wouldnt hate that guy?


good and bad happen to people at random. its a fact of life in this world. bad things happen to good people just as often as they happen to bad people.

everyone dies. none of us know when that will be. for some of us, its a short hard life--look at the starving children of darfur. for others its a long happy life. but no one gets away without suffering (life is suffering eh?). and in the end we all die.

you can take the view that god made this world as a temporary life. that is it imperfect by design. but that no matter what terrible things happen to us, and they will, he will help us through them. god can be your strength rather than your torturer. and that in the end, you will be reunited with your parents in heaven where there will be no suffering.

now im not saying that its TRUE. all im saying is that its silly to reject the idea of god just because you have a crappy view of god.

I am quite surprised, as you raise valid points, and the rant itself is coherent. In contrast to rants during Vappu...

Thanks. I know I sometimes have trouble expressing myself coherently and understandably, and practicing that is the biggest reason I come to this forum. And I'm not likely to rant during vappu. When I'm drunk, I get cheerful and just love everything. Whether I express that coherently, I wouldn't know.

Considering the Bible, you mentioned translation problems from the ancient languages they were written in to modern-day speak, across four or more languages in some cases (Hebrew (OT) -> Greek (NT) -> Latin -> German (the first vernacular, from Greek)). Aramaic could possibly be included in there as well. Anyhow, you say that "the Bible was written almost 2000 years ago to a bunch of middle-eastern nomads". In tradition, God dictated the Bible to his people (and I assume this is what you mean), and there could have easily been the same translation problems with whatever God revealed to whomever was writing it. We have all been in such a situation that it becomes hard to express ourselves. Imagine if you were being compelled to express the feelings of another. In other words, there could have easily been problems with the original inscriptions of the Bible, do to a lack of words or a misunderstanding. Just another problem I would like to suggest.

I don't know how much direct participation God had in the creation of the Bible, if any. But you're right; those, who did the writing, were also among those nomads I mentioned, and I wouldn't expect their understanding abilities to be on the same level with us. Not that we would probably do much better, if God came down here and started dictating a new holy book right now.

Yet another problem, maybe biggest of them all, is that the Bible wasn't written right away. It's a collection of books from a long period of time, and it doesn't even include all of the original scriptures on the topic of Christianity. What's worse, many books were passed down orally even hundreds of years, before anyone bothered to write them down. That's a major source of distortion right there.

What I'm trying to say (and forgot to say earlier), is that the Bible is full of small errors and I don't believe that God is in any way keeping an eye on its correctness, but that isn't enough to disprove Christianity as a whole or to nullify its teachings. Some atheists sometimes try to do that, which is weird, because most of the same people will laugh their asses off if a creationist uses the exactly same tactic to attack evolution. (Just for the record, I'm not a creationist.)

i didnt say there was a true view of god.

i said there is a faulty view of god, perhaps one where god had a plan for your parents and that plan was a far too short life full of senseless suffering.

i despise that view of god. who wouldnt hate that guy?


good and bad happen to people at random. its a fact of life in this world. bad things happen to good people just as often as they happen to bad people.

everyone dies. none of us know when that will be. for some of us, its a short hard life--look at the starving children of darfur. for others its a long happy life. but no one gets away without suffering (life is suffering eh?). and in the end we all die.

you can take the view that god made this world as a temporary life. that is it imperfect by design. but that no matter what terrible things happen to us, and they will, he will help us through them. god can be your strength rather than your torturer. and that in the end, you will be reunited with your parents in heaven where there will be no suffering.

now im not saying that its TRUE. all im saying is that its silly to reject the idea of god just because you have a crappy view of god.

I think I have been giving you the wrong vibe this whole time, and for that, I apologize. I'm really quit happy with my life right now, but I can't, for the life of me, see myself believing in that god. It's a nice attempt on your part to convert me, but I prefer my own "deistic" views; they are more comforting to me.

I think I have been giving you the wrong vibe this whole time, and for that, I apologize. I'm really quit happy with my life right now, but I can't, for the life of me, see myself believing in that god. It's a nice attempt on your part to convert me, but I prefer my own "deistic" views; they are more comforting to me.

im not trying to convert you.

im trying to suggest that you are rejecting it for the wrong reason.

im not trying to convert you.

im trying to suggest that you are rejecting it for the wrong reason.

I have many reasons for rejecting the Christians faith.
I just happen to have the strongest conviction for this reason (though, I'll grant you, it is probably the least intellectual of all my reasons).