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exactly. there is no Good Example to refer to anyone by their ethnic background.

and what issue outside of history is it importnat to refere to a group by their ethnicity? when is it Relevant to refer to anyone by their ethnicity?

exactly. there is no good reason to refer to anyone by their eithnic background.

I don't deny the contributions made by any minority, but why focus on one?

He was inducted into the Baseball hall of fame in 1962, he struggled against racism and worked hard to remove the binds of discrimination that hampered society in the mid 40's.

He worked with such people as Martin Luther King and Malcom X. he used words and his skills as a baseball player to win the hearts of Americans.

Due to his actions, he was posthumously awarded a Congressional Gold Medal and the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

short form, They fought to remove the discrimination that was so imbedded in the society of America. They spoke and fought for freedom for all reguardless of the differences that formed the basis of discrimination.

slavery and segregation are time periods of history, not refering to anyone in particular.

:D

Nice job of answering my challenge, but your tap dancing about Jackie Robinson and Martin Luther King make clear my point -- there are good reasons to refer to someone's ethnicity.

Otherwise you can't answer what type of discrimination it was they fought against.

*sigh* I deleted that line so that you wouldn't have this reaction.

Your view of Martin Luther King, Jr. is inaccurate. He believed in affirmative actions to intergrate our society. He did not believe in blindness as a solution to reach color-blindness.

For example, The Forgotten Teachings of Martin Luther King (http://www.inmotionmagazine.com/mlk3.html)

As Dinaverg has pointed out, your solution to the bleeding wounds of racism is to act like they aren't there and hope they go away.

so tell me cat-tribe, how do you intergrate people while all the time reminding what makes them different.

oh, I know... make special interest groups that only help that one minority with the exclusion of all others. that would show everyone how 'equal' everyone is. or better yet, make special interest groups that exclude those considered Non Minority. yeah, reverse discrimination is a great way to promote intergration.

then there is the implimentation of special training or grading levels based on those differences. that's also fair.

then again, we could force them by Law... let the injured party sue/accuse people/agencies/companies of discrimination.

think if we introduce all that into society, intergration would be smooth?

Oh and Cat Tribe, what is the Goal of Affirmative Action? I think you'll find that I am right, I'm just not focusing on one particular minority. but if you want to insist that MLK was only talking about African Americans... then that's your choice.

Conveniently it would be impossible to teach about all ethnicities/groups at the same time so your answer is not to teach about ethnicities/groups at all.

*poof* they just vanish with JuNii's magic erasergee... and to you the *only* solution is to teach it all at ONE TIME. just shows your narrowmindedness Cat. Shame on you.

why not one week on African Americans, one week on Irish, one week about the chinese, one week about the Japanese... or each year, the set aside month, focuses on a different group. then again, why limit it to ONE month out of the year, why not each week reguardless how long it takes. then cycle through again.

*gasp* possible solutions that doesn't focus on ONE group and also doesn't focus on ALL at the SAME TIME! :eek:

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Nice job of answering my challenge, but your tap dancing about Jackie Robinson and Martin Luther King make clear my point -- there are good reasons to refer to someone's ethnicity.

Otherwise you can't answer what type of discrimination it was they fought against.

I did answer it. Racism and Discrimination.

I did it without refering to their ethnic origins, and that was something I slapped togther within a couple of minutes. give me a couple of days and I can put together an essay that would highlight their acheivements without focusing on their ethnic background.

now I ask you this. think about all the people you are interacting here on the internet, and how many of these poster's ethnic background actually plays a role in how you interact with them?

if it's possible here, where you are 'blind' to the poster's ethnic background, why not outside the internet?

This question got raised and then left hanging during another thread about rounders.

Anybody?
The descendend of an African who's ancestor lived in a peacefull utopia by the laws of Kwanzaa before evil whiteys came to take him or her to work in their countryclub serving drinks.

I did answer it. Racism and Discrimination.

I did it without refering to their ethnic origins,
Oh please, even I wouldn't accept that and I have no vested interest in this debate.

So what would one call a white baby adopted by African Americans?

I guess this just leads on to the question of an African American child adopted by... oh... Irish American folks.

both are messy. part of the problem is that these classifications are both self-identified and placed on people by others. and those others will base their judgment almost entirely on skin color.

The descendend of an African who's ancestor lived in a peacefull utopia by the laws of Kwanzaa before evil whiteys came to take him or her to work in their countryclub serving drinks.

No no, they picked our cotton.

No no, they picked our cotton.
The main reason however why the peaceloving, Kwanzaanian king or queen was nabbed from his or her Egyptian royal palace by evil whiteys however was to serve drinks at the country club. And to brush shoes.

the irish in ireland get the say over who is ireland irish. i can no more claim to be irish than i can claim to be the queen of england. (meaning that i can claim it but no one will believe me)

anyone can claim to be irish american (if they are american), if they are obviously asian, they might have a harder time with it.

Did you mean if they are white?

How nappy-headed is she? ^_^

Seriously though, since when did she want to be African American?
Why would she need to want it? She's from Africa.

There are those who insist that calling black people "black" is somehow offensive, which makes for some good laughs when they are forced to deal with black Canadians, who would likely be more offended at being called American.

Why would she need to want it? She's from Africa.

If she doesn't want it, I certainly wouldn't call her African-American. Would you?

Did you mean if they are white?

no i didnt. i said "if they are american" because if they arent american, they cant be irish americans.

It is a race comprised of the descendants of slaves brought to the new world. This distinct race has serious health problems because the traits that allowed their ancestors to survive the slave passage are not helping them thrive in modern society.

It is interesting though that the race as a whole suffers major health problems yet produces amazing athletes. As a whole, they are not typically distinguished by intellectual performance and have problems as a whole with anti-social behavior as is exemplified by higher levels of incarceration and other symptoms of anti-social behavior.

Another trait of these folks is something referrred to as "soul" this "soul" is exemplified in styles of music and dress that are often quite unique. Recently, soul has also become rather popular as a distinct type of cuisine.

Members of this race had been oppressed prior to the civil rights movement. Much of the racial identity or consciousness was formed or inspired by the Negro rights movement. Now this identity is challenged because the fight has been won and their main resistance-oriented unifying cultural force is sort of like NATO after the end of the Cold War.

Despite, historical oppression, these people have been historically quite patriotic. Members of their race have conducted themselves with dignity and courage in all of America's wars.

what's a good reason to refer to anyone's ethnic background?

exactly. there is no Good Example to refer to anyone by their ethnic background.

and what issue outside of history is it importnat to refere to a group by their ethnicity? when is it Relevant to refer to anyone by their ethnicity?

exactly. there is no good reason to refer to anyone by their eithnic background.

In other words, I don't refer to my friends as Asian-American, Philipino-American, African-American, or what not, I refer to them by their names. if someone wants to meet them, I will either call them over, or walk the person to them and introduce them by name, not by ethnic group.

on a tangent. My sister and I were in college and a Haole (caucasian) was happy that my sister spoke to her. she had some image of all Asians being haughty and aloft. she confided in my sister that she now knew what it felt like to be a minority, as she looked around and realized that she was surrounded by various different Ethnic groups that, litterally had her feeling... outnumbered. she became good friends with my sister and her outlook really changed after a couple of months.


Hoist on your own petard. (emphasis added)

I did answer it. Racism and Discrimination.

I did it without refering to their ethnic origins, and that was something I slapped togther within a couple of minutes. give me a couple of days and I can put together an essay that would highlight their acheivements without focusing on their ethnic background.



Come now. I was willing to admit your tap-dance was clever. But it is flawed.

Beyond the 800-pound gorrilla in the corner, it is insulting to the legacy of people like Jackie Robinson, Rosa Parks, Thurgood Marshall, and Martin Luther King, Jr. to fail to recognize their ethnicity.

sooooo...

an african american is some looks like a black african and who comes from a black american cultural background?

sooooo...

an african american is some looks like a black african and who comes from a black american cultural background?

Yes. Also, we need to account for the fact that this is a unique subrace of Negro. To do otherwise, would cause us to overlook the unique health issues faced by the American Negro.

Yes. Also, we need to account for the fact that this is a unique subrace of Negro. To do otherwise, would cause us to overlook the unique health issues faced by the American Negro.

But an american negro is not the same as an african american?

Negro is used as an word to describe an ethnic group with black african origin (and the fact that it can be used as a slur).
Whereas african american is used as an ethnic term to describe someone with 'negro' features and comes from a specific segment of american society/culture.

Or that is how i understood it anyway.

anyway of the health issues culture/society related (ie. diet, crime,etc...) or are they genetic/inherited?

no i didnt. i said "if they are american" because if they arent american, they cant be irish americans.


ahh, ok. Thought you mistyped, cause it came off to me like you were saying an asian couldn't be an american. I see now you were meaning asian as in nationaility, not race.

But an american negro is not the same as an african american?

Negro is used as an word to describe an ethnic group with black african origin (and the fact that it can be used as a slur).
Whereas african american is used as an ethnic term to describe someone with 'negro' features and comes from a specific segment of american society/culture.

Or that is how i understood it anyway.

anyway of the health issues culture/society related (ie. diet, crime,etc...) or are they genetic/inherited?

An American Nego aka African American is the same thing. They are the terms used to describe a distinct race of men. As I pointed out in myearlier post, the health issues are the result of distinct genetic dispositions within the enviorment of the modern American diet. This race refers to the descendants of those who survived the transatlantic slave route. These ancestors' bodies made efficient use of salts in order to survive the diarhea based illnesses that killed so many that made the passage and thus did not have children in the new world.

Those traits that help us survive in slaver's holds hurt us in a society where there is a high sodium content.

Are you claiming that the descendent of a slave brought to America two hundred years ago is a different race from someone who travels to America today? Looks like it to me.

Yes.

An American Nego aka African American is the same thing. They are the terms used to describe a distinct race of men.

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This race refers to the descendants of those who survived the transatlantic slave route.

Are you claiming that the descendent of a slave brought to America two hundred years ago is a different race from someone who travels to America today? Looks like it to me.

African-American? Fuck if I know. I just call black people black. Nobody, including all the black people I hang out with, has any problem with it.

Yes.

What!?! So it only takes a few generations to make a new race?

ahh, ok. Thought you mistyped, cause it came off to me like you were saying an asian couldn't be an american. I see now you were meaning asian as in nationaility, not race.

no you misunderstood my point entirely

what i said was that ANY american can make the claim to be irish-american. there is no irish registry, no committee who issues certificates of authenticity, no easy way to check on the truth of such a claim.

*I* as a white american can say that im irish american and probably be taken at face value. however an asian american...say someone of chinese descent... who makes the claim of being irish american might well get suspicious looks or outright challenges to the claim.

Come now. I was willing to admit your tap-dance was clever. But it is flawed.

Beyond the 800-pound gorrilla in the corner, it is insulting to the legacy of people like Jackie Robinson, Rosa Parks, Thurgood Marshall, and Martin Luther King, Jr. to fail to recognize their ethnicity.

so you consider a non-emphisis on anyone's ethnicity an insult to that person?

you personally know that those people would be insulted if I consider them Americans before any other form of classification such as African-Americans?

You would rather everyone remember them as African Americans first and foremost and not for their deeds and what they have done?

so far, it seems your thinking is as much 'flawed' as mine... if not moreso.

also, I didn't 'fail' to recognize their ethnicity, I just don't emphasise it. you as a lawyer, should recognize that difference.

An American Nego aka African American is the same thing. They are the terms used to describe a distinct race of men. As I pointed out in myearlier post, the health issues are the result of distinct genetic dispositions within the enviorment of the modern American diet. This race refers to the descendants of those who survived the transatlantic slave route. These ancestors' bodies made efficient use of salts in order to survive the diarhea based illnesses that killed so many that made the passage and thus did not have children in the new world.

Those traits that help us survive in slaver's holds hurt us in a society where there is a high sodium content.

But african americans are not a race because of a trait or 2. If that waws the case the Amish would be a race aswell. They're an ethnic group.
Negro is a term that refers to someone with sub-saharan ancestry. So someone with Kenyan parents born in the US could be termed a american negro.
Whereas as far as I understand it, African American refers to someone who relates and is accepted by the existing african-american culture that has developed in the US over the last couple of hundred years.

so you consider a non-emphisis on anyone's ethnicity an insult to that person?

you personally know that those people would be insulted if I consider them Americans before any other form of classification such as African-Americans?

You would rather everyone remember them as African Americans first and foremost and not for their deeds and what they have done?

so far, it seems your thinking is as much 'flawed' as mine... if not moreso.

also, I didn't 'fail' to recognize their ethnicity, I just don't emphasise it. you as a lawyer, should recognize that difference.

I know this is between you and CT but just a point.
Don't people define they're ethnicity by the people around them.
In this case when an american is abroad, surrounded by 'foreigners' they're AMERICAN!!!! But then when they are within they're own nation to 'differentiate' themselves they become African/Irish/etc American.

It is a race comprised of the descendants of slaves brought to the new world. This distinct race has serious health problems because the traits that allowed their ancestors to survive the slave passage are not helping them thrive in modern society.

African-American(sic) is not a race. No more than Taiwanese is a race.

Anyone who thinks this is seriously deranged.

I know this is between you and CT but just a point.
Don't people define they're ethnicity by the people around them.
In this case when an american is abroad, surrounded by 'foreigners' they're AMERICAN!!!! But then when they are within they're own nation to 'differentiate' themselves they become African/Irish/etc American.

It may be a matter of understanding. Generally, here in Europe, if someone asks where I'm from, I say "the States", as I don't expect them to be familiar with Michigan. Some people then go on to ask "where in the states", so I get more specific from there.

current evolutionary theory says that human kind came from Africa.
so basicly we are ALL african descent.

*I* as a white american can say that im irish american and probably be taken at face value. however an asian american...say someone of chinese descent... who makes the claim of being irish american might well get suspicious looks or outright challenges to the claim.

Interestingly enough, the Chinese community make up the largest non-white population in Ireland, both North and South...