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Probably not - cos at least this way we knew we won.

EDIT: w00t! My first thread steal!

Knowing what you know now, a freak accident involving explosive tuna sends you back in time.
You arrive 100 years in the past, where you find an adolecent Adolph Hitler, minding his own business.
You then notice the loaded revolver in your pocket.

Would you murder an inocent child that would eventually kill millions?

(This is an alternate timeline, so there are no time paradoxes.
Also, you have a one-time use teleporting waffle iron to transport yourself to safety if you do it.)

Probably not - cos at least this way we knew we won.

But at what cost?

can we say Red Alert

Knowing what you know now, a freak accident involving explosive tuna sends you back in time.
You arrive 100 years in the past, where you find an adolecent Adolph Hitler, minding his own business.
You then notice the loaded revolver in your pocket.

Would you murder an inocent child that would eventually kill millions?

(This is an alternate timeline, so there are no time paradoxes.
Also, you have a one-time use teleporting waffle iron to transport yourself to safety if you do it.)

No. I'd discuss political ideologies and comparative religion with him before pointing him gently towards mathematics. Hitler would then eventully become a calm, peaceful university mathematics lecturer. No-one would die except perhaps of boredom.

Sure. If it makes no difference to my own timeline, I'd be more than happy to riddle his innocent body with bullets, just for the pleasure of hitler-killing.

But I'm a bad person, don't take it too seriously.

Knowing what you know now, a freak accident involving explosive tuna sends you back in time.
You arrive 100 years in the past, where you find an adolecent Adolph Hitler, minding his own business.
You then notice the loaded revolver in your pocket.

Would you murder an inocent child that would eventually kill millions?

(This is an alternate timeline, so there are no time paradoxes.
Also, you have a one-time use teleporting waffle iron to transport yourself to safety if you do it.)
I wouldn't kill him right away. It'd be like one of those psychopathic stalkers who has him being paranoid.

I would spend four years leaving threatening letters and blood near him, then kill a family member or two of his and send him the pieces piece by piece then when the time is right, I'd kill him but not with a gun.

I'd used a poison in his tea after getting myself hired as his lackey.

Knowing what you know now, a freak accident involving explosive tuna sends you back in time.
You arrive 100 years in the past, where you find an adolecent Adolph Hitler, minding his own business.
You then notice the loaded revolver in your pocket.

Would you murder an inocent child that would eventually kill millions?

(This is an alternate timeline, so there are no time paradoxes.
Also, you have a one-time use teleporting waffle iron to transport yourself to safety if you do it.)

probably not. If the future isn't set then maybe in this time line we won't because the shit we all know and love.
And if the future is fixed, then there is no point killing an innocent if it just means another shit is going to take his place.

Finally from a selfish point, if i kill him, the future will be probably be radically different and I, in this current form will not have existed. I kinda like my existence.

What's the point? If it's an alternate timeline, my waffle iron will take me back to the one were Hitler still was. If not, I'll probably end up not existing. Of course, all those millions' grandkids will.

I'd give him a banjo and inspire him to be a banjoist. Might turn out different than the art thing.

Knowing what you know now, a freak accident involving explosive tuna sends you back in time.
You arrive 100 years in the past, where you find an adolecent Adolph Hitler, minding his own business.
You then notice the loaded revolver in your pocket.

Would you murder an inocent child that would eventually kill millions?

(This is an alternate timeline, so there are no time paradoxes.
Also, you have a one-time use teleporting waffle iron to transport yourself to safety if you do it.)
No. All it would achieve is that an innocent child would die. There were far more complex reasons for the Holocaust and the popularity of extreme politics in Germany than Hitler's existence, so all killing him would achieve is that it would let another extremist come to power with possibly even more dramatic and tragic consequences.

Knowing what you know now, a freak accident involving explosive tuna sends you back in time.
You arrive 100 years in the past, where you find an adolecent Adolph Hitler, minding his own business.
You then notice the loaded revolver in your pocket.

Would you murder an inocent child that would eventually kill millions?

(This is an alternate timeline, so there are no time paradoxes.
Also, you have a one-time use teleporting waffle iron to transport yourself to safety if you do it.)

Well, I don't think that he alone was responsible for Nazism in Germany. I would probably use the teleporting waffle iron to transport him to a completely different part of the world.

I wouldn't kill him right away. It'd be like one of those psychopathic stalkers who has him being paranoid.

I would spend four years leaving threatening letters and blood near him, then kill a family member or two of his and send him the pieces piece by piece then when the time is right, I'd kill him but not with a gun.

I'd used a poison in his tea after getting myself hired as his lackey.

And here I thought that I was the bad person. I was just gonna watch him squirm a bit before I put one in his brain.

Poison... *shakes head*

I wouldnt.

Bad and good things came out of WWII. 40 million people died, yes, but by making europe much weaker, all the colonies had an easier time to become independent.

Who knows. Aparthaid could still be hapening in South Africa.

In my opinion, history should never be changed. Things could turn much worst.

For example, if there was no WWII, the atomic bombs could´ve had not been used in Japan, and if a conflict started between Europe+USA against Russia, the bombs could´ve had been used in a much broader scale.

yes i would

if i could bring myself to do it.

id rather do the wrong thing and save millions than the right thing and have them all die.

No, I'd hang around a couple decades and try to join up with him during the Nazi party's rise to power, using my knowledge of what is supposed to happen to guide me.
Failing that, I'd fall in with a resistance movement.

Either way, interesting days would be ahead, and I wouldn't be about to blow it on some silly little morality call.

yes i would

if i could bring myself to do it.

id rather do the wrong thing and save millions than the right thing and have them all die.

My thoughts exactly.

No. All it would achieve is that an innocent child would die. There were far more complex reasons for the Holocaust and the popularity of extreme politics in Germany than Hitler's existence, so all killing him would achieve is that it would let another extremist come to power with possibly even more dramatic and tragic consequences.

I remember having a Deep Philosophical Conversation with my dad, my uncle and my brother involving just this. We eventually reached the conclusion that due to the post WW1 conditions in Germany, the rise of authoritarianism was pretty much inevitable. I might not have been Hitler, but some strongman would have come to power. Might have been better for the rest of the world, might have been worse. But someone nasty would have taken the reins.

OT: W00t! The Wings just scored again!

Knowing what you know now, a freak accident involving explosive tuna sends you back in time.
You arrive 100 years in the past, where you find an adolecent Adolph Hitler, minding his own business.
You then notice the loaded revolver in your pocket.

Would you murder an inocent child that would eventually kill millions?

(This is an alternate timeline, so there are no time paradoxes.
Also, you have a one-time use teleporting waffle iron to transport yourself to safety if you do it.)

Probably not. No matter who he might turn out to be, I wouldn't kill a child. I just wouldn't be able to do it.

Redwulf just made a good point: Given Hitler's uncanny luck in avoiding assassination attempts, the gun would probably malfunction and explode in your hand. You have to admit, he avoided attempts to kill him with alarming regularity...

A Isa alluded to, we know for a fact that if Hitler is killed before 1938 it will just create a greater war with the soviets. Before you know it, mammoth tanks will be rolling down Pennsylvania avenue, the skies will be filled with Yak attack planes, and the chronosphere will be our only hope !

A Isa alluded to, we know for a fact that if Hitler is killed before 1938 it will just create a greater war with the soviets. Before you know it, mammoth tanks will be rolling down Pennsylvania avenue, the skies will be filled with Yak attack planes, and the chronosphere will be our only hope !

Are you referring to the cold war? Or to the war that Hitler started with Russia (IIRC) and promptly went out and got his arse kicked by disregarding the greatest rule of warfare: Never get involved in a land war in Asia (or Russia?) Because if you're talking about the cold war, I'm not even sure we would have gotten involved in it if it hadn't been for WW2. The political dynamics in Europe would have been very different, and the intentional division of eastern Europe might not have happened...

Of course, I'm basing this on my hazy memories of lessons about the division of post-war Europe and could be talking out me ass...

No. I'd blow his compound to rile him up, then let him come to me. He could inhale my gasses, if you know what I mean.

Are you referring to the cold war? Or to the war that Hitler started with Russia (IIRC) and promptly went out and got his arse kicked by disregarding the greatest rule of warfare: Never get involved in a land war in Asia (or Russia?) Because if you're talking about the cold war, I'm not even sure we would have gotten involved in it if it hadn't been for WW2. The political dynamics in Europe would have been very different, and the intentional division of eastern Europe might not have happened...

Of course, I'm basing this on my hazy memories of lessons about the division of post-war Europe and could be talking out me ass...

He's talking about Command and Conquer, or so I believe.

Don't worry, he's basing that on the premise of a RTS game from 10 years ago.

Like, dude, I already pointed that out. :D

*sees that you deleted your post* :(

Are you referring to the cold war? Or to the war that Hitler started with Russia (IIRC) and promptly went out and got his arse kicked by disregarding the greatest rule of warfare: Never get involved in a land war in Asia (or Russia?) Because if you're talking about the cold war, I'm not even sure we would have gotten involved in it if it hadn't been for WW2. The political dynamics in Europe would have been very different, and the intentional division of eastern Europe might not have happened...

Of course, I'm basing this on my hazy memories of lessons about the division of post-war Europe and could be talking out me ass...

I am talking of course about Command & Conquer: Red Alert (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command_%26_Conquer:_Red_Alert)

Yes and did you notice the vice president on 24 last season played the president in RA 2 -_-

I am talking of course about Command & Conquer: Red Alert (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command_%26_Conquer:_Red_Alert)

*grins to have his hypothesis confirmed*
Ever played Red Alert II?

Probably not, mainly because it wouldn't matter. Post WW I put Germany in a weak position, no military, no money, economic collapse, it didn't matter who would rise to power, but someone was going to rise to power.

Yes and did you notice the vice president on 24 last season played the president in RA 2 -_-

What's 24? :)

I liked that president...
Then again, I also liked the Russian president in that game. I like Russian accents. :D

I liked that president...
Then again, I also liked the Russian president in that game. I like Russian accents. :D

I don't give a wooden nickel about your legacy! :)

I just started playing Yuri's revenge again, too.

I don't give a wooden nickel about your legacy! :)

I just started playing Yuri's revenge again, too.

Yuri scares me... :(

Yes, and I'd have fun while doing it. Then I'd be mad because the fucker wouldn't have suffered enough.

I like to eat waffles. Will the waffle iron also make tasty waffles in case I get stranded?

Yes, but it won't work in European outlets.

:(

I like to eat waffles. Will the waffle iron also make tasty waffles in case I get stranded?

Yes, but it won't work in European outlets.

Probably not - cos at least this way we knew we won.

EDIT: w00t! My first thread steal!

I actually had a Great-grandfather who was involved in an assassination attempt. There was going to be a bomb placed underneath a conference table during a meeting, such that it would explode right underneath Hitler.

Keep in mind, that the dictator is just the tip of an ugly boil, and someone below him is bound to rise up and take his place. Are you going to kill him too? You know, after you've killed everyone, you might as well invade Poland.

Not my words, but I don't remember whose. The thing is, if you think that killing one man could possibly have stopped the forces that were at work in the pre-war Europe, you're just naive. Still, meddling might still yield really unexpected results: Maybe killing Hitler would prevent the holocaust, but the same people would die in gulags when Stalin takes over Europe, or the nukes start falling when the cold war doesn't go exactly like we remember it went.

I actually had a Great-grandfather who was involved in an assassination attempt. There was going to be a bomb placed underneath a conference table during a meeting, such that it would explode right underneath Hitler.

Ah, the famous bomb plot.
Except that the bomb did explode; unfortunately, most of the blast was taken by the table in the way and I don't believe Hitler was close enough to the bomb anyway.
Which particularly famous German was it who was killed for that? Rommel? I can never remember.

Keep in mind, that the dictator is just the tip of an ugly boil, and someone below him is bound to rise up and take his place. Are you going to kill him too? You know, after you've killed everyone, you might as well invade Poland.

Not my words, but I don't remember whose. The thing is, if you think that killing one man could possibly have stopped the forces that were at work in the pre-war Europe, you're just naive. Still, meddling might still yield really unexpected results: Maybe killing Hitler would prevent the holocaust, but the same people would die in gulags when Stalin takes over Europe, or the nukes start falling when the cold war doesn't go exactly like we remember it went.

Terry Pratchett. I remember reading that in Lords and Ladies.
I'm a bit on the ball with references tonight, am I not? :D

I would eat Baby Hitler with potato dumplings and a couple of Lagers. Then it's off to Russia for Baby Stalin Borsch.

Terry Pratchett. I remember reading that in Lords and Ladies.
I'm a bit on the ball with references tonight, am I not? :D
Damn you. I wanted to take the glory for getting the reference.

Ah, the famous bomb plot.
Except that the bomb did explode; unfortunately, most of the blast was taken by the table in the way and I don't believe Hitler was close enough to the bomb anyway.
Which particularly famous German was it who was killed for that? Rommel? I can never remember.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_20_Plot

Ah, the famous bomb plot.
Except that the bomb did explode; unfortunately, most of the blast was taken by the table in the way and I don't believe Hitler was close enough to the bomb anyway.
Which particularly famous German was it who was killed for that? Rommel? I can never remember.Super-Nazi von-Stauffenberg was executed for the failed assassination attempt. And iirr the assassination attempt failed because they only put half of the explosives they had into the briefcase..

Well, everyone likes picking on the "Well, someone would take his place" point. How's this? What if you had a magic anti-ideology bullet, and could kill Nazism? Hmm?

Well, everyone likes picking on the "Well, someone would take his place" point. How's this? What if you had a magic anti-ideology bullet, and could kill Nazism? Hmm?
Then the Communists or other ideological extremists would have come to power.

No. All it would achieve is that an innocent child would die. There were far more complex reasons for the Holocaust and the popularity of extreme politics in Germany than Hitler's existence, so all killing him would achieve is that it would let another extremist come to power with possibly even more dramatic and tragic consequences.Who knows my crazy great Uncle might have taken control of Scandinavia and Germany and then succeded in the war, yes he was a great military stragetist as he was able to acutally write what moves Hitler should have done when it was going on. So I would be afraid.:eek:

Knowing what you know now, a freak accident involving explosive tuna sends you back in time.
You arrive 100 years in the past, where you find an adolecent Adolph Hitler, minding his own business.
You then notice the loaded revolver in your pocket.

Would you murder an inocent child that would eventually kill millions?

(This is an alternate timeline, so there are no time paradoxes.
Also, you have a one-time use teleporting waffle iron to transport yourself to safety if you do it.)

Well, you would first question the probablility of exploding tuna castcading you back in time.
Then you would probably ask why a loaded revolver mysteriously appeared in your pocket.
Afterwards you would look Hitler in the face, then slap him while you yelled "NO!".
Eventually, you befriend Hitler and learn everything you know about him, shoot him, then take over his grand empire. :p

Hmm, having foreknowledge of which stocks and business would succeed, I would make sure Hitler went to art school instead of becoming the fuhrer. He would get what he wants and there would be no nazi europe.

Well, you would first question the probablility of exploding tuna castcading you back in time.
Then you would probably ask why a loaded revolver mysteriously appeared in your pocket.
Afterwards you would look Hitler in the face, then slap him while you yelled "NO!".
Eventually, you befriend Hitler and learn everything you know about him, shoot him, then take over his grand empire.Maybe no-one told you yet: his grand empire did not succeed... :eek:

Hmm, having foreknowledge of which stocks and business would succeed, I would make sure Hitler went to art school instead of becoming the fuhrer. He would get what he wants and there would be no nazi europe.but a communist europe

It was still a grand empire nevertheless.:rolleyes:
If you came in and took it over, you could run it far better than how he had ran it. That would mean you could eventually defeat the allies...or just kiss ass and befriend the allies...however, the situation would completely change if you knew how to use true brainwashing...:p

It was still a grand empire nevertheless.:rolleyes:
If you came in and took it over, you could run it far better than how he had ran it. That would mean you could eventually defeat the allies...or just kiss ass and befriend the allies...however, the situation would completely change if you knew how to use true brainwashing...:pSo you'd try to be worse than Hitler?

Not a chance!
Killing is not my thing, but World Dominance is!
You see, I dislike Hitler for killing needlessly, but I liked his strategy for war.
Yes, he was an idiot for trying to invade Russia as he did, but there were so many ways around that.

Knowing what you know now, a freak accident involving explosive tuna sends you back in time.
You arrive 100 years in the past, where you find an adolecent Adolph Hitler, minding his own business.
You then notice the loaded revolver in your pocket.

Would you murder an inocent child that would eventually kill millions?
Hell no. Adolph Hitler, while a murderer, was a powerful orator, and by eliminating the little flaws that led to Genocide we'd have potentially a very useful tool for the establishment of a stable Europe. I'd help teach him about the state of affairs to come, suggest that he might want to use his power to establish a benevolent one-party democracy in place of National Socialism and to recommend

A) No more antisemitism, racial purity stuff or execution of political opponents.
B) Once you've got Czechoslovakia, Stop and Negotiate.
C) Persuade the intellectuals to stay and help at all costs.

No, I've played Red Alert.

I'd give him a banjo and inspire him to be a banjoist. Might turn out different than the art thing.

I would imagine that would make him far more evil then he already was.

Not a chance!
Killing is not my thing, but World Dominance is!
You see, I dislike Hitler for killing needlessly, but I liked his strategy for war.
Yes, he was an idiot for trying to invade Russia as he did, but there were so many ways around that.wtf? you like Hitler for his strategy? what about erasing democracy in Germany or suppressing all opposition or indoctrinating German society with ideological bullshit?

Hell no. Adolph Hitler, while a murderer, was a powerful orator, and by eliminating the little flaws that led to Genocide we'd have potentially a very useful tool for the establishment of a stable Europe. I'd help teach him about the state of affairs to come, suggest that he might want to use his power to establish a benevolent one-party democracy in place of National Socialism and to recommend

A) No more antisemitism, racial purity stuff or execution of political opponents.
B) Once you've got Czechoslovakia, Stop and Negotiate.
C) Persuade the intellectuals to stay and help at all costs.a benevolent one-party democracy ?? are you on drugs?

Knowing what you know now, a freak accident involving explosive tuna sends you back in time.
You arrive 100 years in the past, where you find an adolecent Adolph Hitler, minding his own business.
You then notice the loaded revolver in your pocket.

Would you murder an inocent child that would eventually kill millions?

(This is an alternate timeline, so there are no time paradoxes.
Also, you have a one-time use teleporting waffle iron to transport yourself to safety if you do it.)

No. Killing is remarkably uncreative and not an acceptable activity in the Goofballian behavioral model. That's not to say that killing never has it's uses, but it's ungoofball-like. There is almost always a more fun way of handling such a situation. For instance, I could give him free clowning lessons. Then, with my encouragement, he could run off and join the circus where his artistic tendencies merge well with his charisma and he becomes one of the greatest clowns in history, and setting the german sense of humor ahead several orders of magnitude.

Now tell me, isn't that worth the extra effort over a dull little bullet? :D

Hell no. Adolph Hitler, while a murderer, was a powerful orator, and by eliminating the little flaws that led to Genocide we'd have potentially a very useful tool for the establishment of a stable Europe. I'd help teach him about the state of affairs to come, suggest that he might want to use his power to establish a benevolent one-party democracy in place of National Socialism and to recommend

A) No more antisemitism, racial purity stuff or execution of political opponents.
B) Once you've got Czechoslovakia, Stop and Negotiate.
C) Persuade the intellectuals to stay and help at all costs.

Even if you remove the nazi-ism, you're still left with a crappy fascist system. One-party democracy my ass.

No. Killing is remarkably uncreative and not an acceptable activity in the Goofballian behavioral model. That's not to say that killing never has it's uses, but it's ungoofball-like. There is almost always a more fun way of handling such a situation. For instance, I could give him free clowning lessons. Then, with my encouragement, he could run off and join the circus where his artistic tendencies merge well with his charisma and he becomes one of the greatest clowns in history, and setting the german sense of humor ahead several orders of magnitude.

Now tell me, isn't that worth the extra effort over a dull little bullet? :D

*pictures Hitler-Clown*

*puts gun away, and waffle-iron's back to own timeline*

Well, as you said, SOMEONE would come to power...

...and, by getting Hitler in an Art School and knowing future events, that someone would be ME. I'd make Germany into a peaceful liberal utopia, all the while striving to disarm other places and systems, and use the technology I'd know to give Germany an edge and make it into the world's only superpower. All with my liberal views.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_20_Plot

So my summary was roughly correct.

The results of removing Hitler?


Sooner or later... Time will tell. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=85tMFIA6Dy0)
(Think you all know what this link is)

And here I thought that I was the bad person. I was just gonna watch him squirm a bit before I put one in his brain.

Poison... *shakes head*

What's wrong with slipping him a little hemlock when he totally trusts you?

You act like a confidant after you slice and dice his feeble grandmother; you provide the solace after you send the pieces and paint the walls of his room with her blood.

What? Don't look at me like that! ;)

I see hanging him from a crane while slowly adding weight to his feet until he's pulled apart. I didn't kill him, gravity did.

What's wrong with slipping him a little hemlock when he totally trusts you?

You act like a confidant after you slice and dice his feeble grandmother; you provide the solace after you send the pieces and paint the walls of his room with her blood.

What? Don't look at me like that! ;)

Remind me never to let you near my drink in the NS Pub... heh heh...

Remind me never to let you near my drink in the NS Pub... heh heh...

The only condition would be not to piss me off. =^_^=

Knowing what you know now, a freak accident involving explosive tuna sends you back in time.
You arrive 100 years in the past, where you find an adolecent Adolph Hitler, minding his own business.
You then notice the loaded revolver in your pocket.

Would you murder an inocent child that would eventually kill millions?

(This is an alternate timeline, so there are no time paradoxes.
Also, you have a one-time use teleporting waffle iron to transport yourself to safety if you do it.)
no, but I would become his friend, and try to change his worldview before he became paranoid.

The only condition would be not to piss me off. =^_^=

Well, I may inadvertantly do so, despite my best intentions, so...

I will repeat my earlier statement; "Remind me never to let you near my drink in the NS Pub... (heh heh...)"

But I shall refrain from killing six million jews and millions of other so-called undesirables. If I did so, please put lots of hemlock in my beverage.

No. All it would achieve is that an innocent child would die. There were far more complex reasons for the Holocaust and the popularity of extreme politics in Germany than Hitler's existence, so all killing him would achieve is that it would let another extremist come to power with possibly even more dramatic and tragic consequences.

What he said

except

Without Hitler, Germany may have become Communist...so, would that have been a good thing or a bad thing?

What he said

except

Without Hitler, Germany may have become Communist...so, would that have been a good thing or a bad thing?

Probably bad b/c Hitler was pwned in the Russian Campaign of Stupidity and Clashing Ideologies (Which Are, In The End, Not Too Different To The Lower Class). Without that, he'd have gone for Britain, the final real enemy in Europe. And then where would we be? America would be beaten down by Japan, so no US hegemony. And no American Hawai'i. Or Taiwan.

EDIT: On second thought, would that be bad? It is, after all, near impossible for me to predict the outcome. And perhaps no US Hegemony would have a positive effect... though the Cold War caused the tech boom. Hmm, a real brain teaser.

I prolly wouldn't. I mean, what would we use for a Godwin then?

Knowing what you know now, a freak accident involving explosive tuna sends you back in time.
You arrive 100 years in the past, where you find an adolecent Adolph Hitler, minding his own business.
You then notice the loaded revolver in your pocket.

Would you murder an inocent child that would eventually kill millions?

(This is an alternate timeline, so there are no time paradoxes.
Also, you have a one-time use teleporting waffle iron to transport yourself to safety if you do it.)

Causality. Cause and effect, hitler not starting WWII may cause something worse or prevent me or you or anyone here from being born. Plus it's impossible, if hitler died and as a result his death somehow prevented my birth then I wouldn't be able to go back in time so that would cause some strange anomily in the space time continuum. Also his death might cause a more realistic version of Red Alert to occur, with no one stopping communism they could rush Europe.

...if hitler died and as a result his death somehow prevented my birth then I wouldn't be able to go back in time so that would...

Hold up, if hitler's dead, you won't need to be born.

Knowing what you know now, a freak accident involving explosive tuna sends you back in time.
You arrive 100 years in the past, where you find an adolecent Adolph Hitler, minding his own business.
You then notice the loaded revolver in your pocket.

Would you murder an inocent child that would eventually kill millions?

(This is an alternate timeline, so there are no time paradoxes.
Also, you have a one-time use teleporting waffle iron to transport yourself to safety if you do it.)

No. It wouldn't be right.

Would I kill Hitler?

No. (http://xkcd.com/c29.html)

Probably bad b/c Hitler was pwned in the Russian Campaign of Stupidity and Clashing Ideologies (Which Are, In The End, Not Too Different To The Lower Class). Without that, he'd have gone for Britain, the final real enemy in Europe. And then where would we be? America would be beaten down by Japan, so no US hegemony. And no American Hawai'i. Or Taiwan.

EDIT: On second thought, would that be bad? It is, after all, near impossible for me to predict the outcome. And perhaps no US Hegemony would have a positive effect... though the Cold War caused the tech boom. Hmm, a real brain teaser.

BUT...If Germany became Communist Would they have started WW2?...that just complicates things more.

and if they did, they, along with the Soviets, would hate the Fascist Italians and Japanese...sooo....the Japanese and the US wouldn't Hate eachother as much :confused: .....wow this is complicated, there are so many variables and "What If's"

wtf? you like Hitler for his strategy? what about erasing democracy in Germany or suppressing all opposition or indoctrinating German society with ideological bullshit?

His military strategy would have worked if he hadn't gone psycho. Why do you question me instead of these others? He was a genius that had gone mad. Take out his idiotic plan of killing the Jews, and you may have thought him one of the great leaders. Hell, you could really begin to feel just how much the Jews played a part in his role. Take them out of the equation, and all he did that was bad was try and conquer the British...(Yes, I know that the conquest of Europe was also 'evil' but come on now...)

Hold up, if hitler's dead, you won't need to be born.

but If I shot him and his death caused a chain of events linking my parents up with other people or causing some other event that prevents my birth I can't shoot him because I was never born which would probably either blow up the universe or send me back to my own time line and universe where hitler wasn't assassinated, started WWII and ordered the holocaust, well to cut things short it'll be like nothing changed.

YES! Because Hitler is at fault for most of Europes immigration problems and Europes and Japans fear of war and their shame of what their past has held. The world would be better off if he was never born. Who knows if the USA and the world would have gotten out of the great depression or not, they would have over time. Just would have taken longer.

His military strategy would have worked if he hadn't gone psycho. Why do you question me instead of these others? He was a genius that had gone mad. Take out his idiotic plan of killing the Jews, and you may have thought him one of the great leaders. Hell, you could really begin to feel just how much the Jews played a part in his role. Take them out of the equation, and all he did that was bad was try and conquer the British...(Yes, I know that the conquest of Europe was also 'evil' but come on now...)

Wot?

He didn't just kill Jews you know.

If he was a military genius he would have headed south and secured oil reserves before heading north to conquer the unconquerable.

He didn't just 'try and conquer the British', he aimed to create lebensraum for his ideal Aryan race.

In the words of my grandma, ''e woz a nutta!'

EDIT - wouldn't shoot him myself but if anyone thinks they could have got through his enormous inferiority complex, with banjos or anything else, is sorely mistaken.

no!!!!!! do you know what the usa would be like today ww2 really sparked are economy and well made us top dog so no!!no!!!and again no!!!

Knowing what you know now, a freak accident involving explosive tuna sends you back in time.
You arrive 100 years in the past, where you find an adolecent Adolph Hitler, minding his own business.
You then notice the loaded revolver in your pocket.

Would you murder an inocent child that would eventually kill millions?

(This is an alternate timeline, so there are no time paradoxes.
Also, you have a one-time use teleporting waffle iron to transport yourself to safety if you do it.)
Of course not! Why would I kill an innocent child for what he may or may not do in the future? Who am I to decide the value of a human life?

No, I'd do my best to turn him into a nice guy, or at least make sure he doesn't start fostering hatred against Jews. Hopefully he may turn into a nondescript member of the Werhmacht or he'll become a decent leader in post World War I Germany.

Of course not! Why would I kill an innocent child for what he may or may not do in the future? Who am I to decide the value of a human life?

No, I'd do my best to turn him into a nice guy, or at least make sure he doesn't start fostering hatred against Jews. Hopefully he may turn into a nondescript member of the Werhmacht or he'll become a decent leader in post World War I Germany.

LOL Hitler becomess a peace loving hippie and through some strange quantum error he switches places with our hitler.

Peace Hitler: I love Jews!

Nazi followers: Huh?

Peace Hitler: Lets hug the French and give the Polish flowers!

Okay... non lethal then...

I would abduct and tatoo him. It would be hard to rise to power with a penis tatooed on your face.

Hard question. On one hand, you'd save millions of people. On the other hand, if you got rid of Hitler and Germany was weak, then Stalin would do the same thing, except he'd probably win.

All the ideas are good and to some extent true, but its the timing that is crucial to what happens after he is dead. A lot of people are thinking about the turbulent times in the early 20's where Germany was a mess. If he was killed in 1929 just before the wall street crash, the Nazis would have no powerful leader. It was the depression that gave them their way in and if he was dead at that point Nazism would have collapsed. Then the there is the possibility of communists taking power but i think democracy would have come out on top

Ah, the famous bomb plot.
Except that the bomb did explode; unfortunately, most of the blast was taken by the table in the way and I don't believe Hitler was close enough to the bomb anyway.
I always think of that as being such a pissy-weak assassination attempt.
leaving a briefcase 1/2 full of explosives and then running off.
Bah.
If they really were intent on killing Hitler, one of them (at least) should have just walked up to Hitler at the meeting and detonated it while standing right next to him.
They just didn't have the grapes.

Knowing what you know now, a freak accident involving explosive tuna sends you back in time.
You arrive 100 years in the past, where you find an adolecent Adolph Hitler, minding his own business.
You then notice the loaded revolver in your pocket.

Would you murder an inocent child that would eventually kill millions?
Just like to point out that 100 years ago, Hitler would have been 18 yrs old and thus well on the way to arseholeness.
Hardly an innocent child

I'd take Hitler back to the future with me, and show him how much the germans will come to hate him, turning him into EmoHitler.

Knowing what you know now, a freak accident involving explosive tuna sends you back in time.
You arrive 100 years in the past, where you find an adolecent Adolph Hitler, minding his own business.
You then notice the loaded revolver in your pocket.

Would you murder an inocent child that would eventually kill millions?

(This is an alternate timeline, so there are no time paradoxes.
Also, you have a one-time use teleporting waffle iron to transport yourself to safety if you do it.)
No, i loved the baby Hitler.

a benevolent one-party democracy ?? are you on drugs?
What was wrong with Fascism was the violence, the racial and nationalist supremecist bullcrap and the totalitarian oppression. What was not wrong was the removal of the the influence of party politics. A partyless state where people vote for their representatives on the basis of who the person is and the policies they stand for rather than which voting bloc that person represents is fundamentally a good idea. A democratic one-party state does exactly the same thing as long as there are regulations and checks to prevent governmental whipping and MPs are allowed to vote according to conscience in the interests of their electorate.

Knowing what you know now, a freak accident involving explosive tuna sends you back in time.
You arrive 100 years in the past, where you find an adolecent Adolph Hitler, minding his own business.
You then notice the loaded revolver in your pocket.

Would you murder an inocent child that would eventually kill millions?

(This is an alternate timeline, so there are no time paradoxes.
Also, you have a one-time use teleporting waffle iron to transport yourself to safety if you do it.)

I'd probably end up giving him the idea about the moustache.

A democratic one-party state...

That there is an oxymoron if I ever saw one.

No, i loved the baby Hitler.
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/photos/images/baby_hitler.jpg

:eek:
Yes, I know it's fake

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/photos/images/baby_hitler.jpg

:eek:
Yes, I know it's fake
Sadly that image gives me no love.
i.e. it ain't working.:(
So by fake do you mean that how link is a lie or it ain't really Hitler?

I'd kill him in a heart beat.

Screw the fact he could have been a peaceful guy.

He doesn't deserve life, hell I'd murder him as a child if I had the chance. I don't see why anybody really wouldn't hesitate, either they just aren't the murdering type or they truely admire Hitler in some way.

I admire him in being able to sweep across Europe in such haste, but honestly...

Screw him.

Knowing what you know now, a freak accident involving explosive tuna sends you back in time.
You arrive 100 years in the past, where you find an adolecent Adolph Hitler, minding his own business.
You then notice the loaded revolver in your pocket.

Would you murder an inocent child that would eventually kill millions?

(This is an alternate timeline, so there are no time paradoxes.
Also, you have a one-time use teleporting waffle iron to transport yourself to safety if you do it.)

No.

Knowing what you know now, a freak accident involving explosive tuna sends you back in time.
You arrive 100 years in the past, where you find an adolecent Adolph Hitler, minding his own business.
You then notice the loaded revolver in your pocket.

Would you murder an inocent child that would eventually kill millions?

(This is an alternate timeline, so there are no time paradoxes.
Also, you have a one-time use teleporting waffle iron to transport yourself to safety if you do it.)

That's a tough choice. I wouldn't want millions to die, but it does end up helping the US to become a superpower. Who knows what the consequences of not having WWII would have been? I guess I'd just forget about killing Hitler and buy some stock in Boeing and GE and shit.

I'd kill him in a heart beat.

Screw the fact he could have been a peaceful guy.

He doesn't deserve life, hell I'd murder him as a child if I had the chance. I don't see why anybody really wouldn't hesitate, either they just aren't the murdering type or they truely admire Hitler in some way.

I admire him in being able to sweep across Europe in such haste, but honestly...

Screw him.

So do you run around killing babies on the off chance that they might be genocidal maniacs?

Absolutely not. As in "no way in hell". Totalitarian fascism is bad, but a world in which we did not defeat totalitarian fascism and expose it for its horrors is much much much worse. All the lessons learned, the relative peace of the cold war years, the rise of western Europe; these came at a hefty price, but I would do absolutely nothing to endanger it. I would even consider killing myself with the gun, just to make sure the world didn't change.

In essence, yes. I can't imagine myself having any compunction in doing so either.

However, in a counter-factual sense, I'm not convinced kiling Hitler prematurely would be beneficial at all. Whilslt the lives of the million killed would have been preserved, is anybody naive enough to maintain that democracy would have endured in Germany in any case, or that the nationalistic outrage created by Versailles would not have led Germany to appropriate land?

The "normal" instincts say yes.

However, what are the ramifications.

For example; what would the USSR been able to accomplish is they had the 20 million people they lost in the war?

So do you run around killing babies on the off chance that they might be genocidal maniacs?

Very different issue. The stipulations given by the OP confirm that the 'ickle Hitler we meet would certainly have emulated his historical feats, thus there is no "off chance".

However, outside of the stipulations of the OP, you are correct.

Knowing what you know now, a freak accident involving explosive tuna sends you back in time.
You arrive 100 years in the past, where you find an adolecent Adolph Hitler, minding his own business.
You then notice the loaded revolver in your pocket.

Would you murder an inocent child that would eventually kill millions?

(This is an alternate timeline, so there are no time paradoxes.
Also, you have a one-time use teleporting waffle iron to transport yourself to safety if you do it.)

Maybe it was not the exploding tuna, but it was actully Jolt that sent us back in time :eek: