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Work hard for the money, so hard for it honey...

Amor Pulchritudo
12-04-2007, 02:50
What do you do for a living? Do you work full-time, part-time or casual? Do you get paid what you think you should? Do you like your job?

My job is boring, but I get paid $18 an hour which is much better pay than my other very casual job. I work from 2-6 most nights and on Sundays. I think my pay is fair, but my partner's on the other hand isn't. He works 9-5 generally, for slightly less than I get paid, and he is a skilled proffesional. It's really not fair.

Your thoughts?
Call to power
12-04-2007, 02:54
I'm supposedly a recruit in the British army unfortunately I'm off until July because my ear is playing up and thats when there doing another take in (thats no excuse my life is that bad)

currently I have to find something do get some cash together but theres no luck I'm fussy with what I want to do work wise :(

edit: *paints thread blue* :p
Mikesburg
12-04-2007, 02:55
Fairness isn't always a factor. It's just economics at work.

I work in a warehouse for a moving/freight transportation company in the eastern GTA. The money could be much better. We are currently in a strike postion, and unless a realistic agreement is made by late May, I'll experience the joy of picketing.

I've been joking with my partner/boss for months now about protesting beside his desk with a 'Down with Dave' sign. Now, I'm really going to have to.
Infinite Revolution
12-04-2007, 02:57
your job is cushy. i get paid £5.50 per hour to wait tables or work the bar or whatever else they want me to do at the function centre i work at. tips are very rare. i work whenever they have shifts for me, usually a couple of nights a week, for between 6 and 12 hours.
Rasselas
12-04-2007, 03:01
I have two jobs, job #1 is a part-time minimum-wage job in a shop which I'm sticking out til I've finished my degree (not long now). The only reasons I work there are because it's some guaranteed spending/drinking money, and I enjoy winding up the chavs I work with. Job #2 is sound engineering, which I do whenever I can. I don't care how much I get paid because I love it.

Jobs 3 and 4 are on the horizon - I keep getting asked to do some shifts in a pub, and some days as a shorthand writer in a court.
Amor Pulchritudo
12-04-2007, 03:03
I have two jobs, job #1 is a part-time minimum-wage job in a shop which I'm sticking out til I've finished my degree (not long now). The only reasons I work there are because it's some guaranteed spending/drinking money, and I enjoy winding up the chavs I work with. Job #2 is sound engineering, which I do whenever I can. I don't care how much I get paid because I love it.

I know what you mean. I love working with clothes even though I don't get paid much, and I'm happy to gig for free (I sing). You must live with your parents if you get paid minimum wage, right?
Smunkeeville
12-04-2007, 03:03
I own 3 businesses that I work out of my house, I do tax/financial planning, I only take on clients when I want to. I design/host websites, again pretty much just when I want to, that one I am trying to close down, tired of it, been doing it since 98. I also am a clown, I do that mostly on Saturdays, although when an art festival etc is in town I will show up all days. I get paid well, since the benefits of my jobs are that I do what I want when I want. I also tutor and teach but only really get paid enough to cover my expenses. I used to have a lot of other jobs, but I quit most of them this year. I also homeschool my kids. I volunteer one night a week at the library, which actually sorta coincides with my tutoring.......and I do all the housewife stuff. I am very active in my local political stuff, and am lobbying congress and the FDA about the auto-immune disorder I and my children have, hoping to get better labeling laws in place. In my spare time I read about 6-8 books a week on my own and about 40 to my 3 year old who is still learning to read, my 5 year old is starting to pick up some of that slack for me, since I am currently going back to school to finish my degree, although I never will use it. ;) (hopefully I won't have to, I mean)

I work anywhere from 5-70 hours a week, depending on the time of year, my mood, my kids' moods, my husband's needs, and the dog's health.

Hubby is a network engineer (among other things) a college student, and an actor. I am officially his agent right now, so I do that too. I have had other people inquire about me taking them on as clients, but I think I am too busy.
Rasselas
12-04-2007, 03:04
I know what you mean. I love working with clothes even though I don't get paid much, and I'm happy to gig for free (I sing). You must live with your parents if you get paid minimum wage, right?
I hate working with clothes, it's the entertaining idiots I work with that keep me there :p

And yeah, I'm at a local uni so stayed living at home to avoid ridiculous amounts of debt :)
Katganistan
12-04-2007, 03:07
I teach English at a NYC high school. It's full-time, I wish I were paid enough to actually afford a house, but I love my job.
Marrakech II
12-04-2007, 03:10
My wife and I own a Irish pub. I am also partners in an insurance company. We do fairly well. I suggest to anyone interested to start your own business. It can be very rewarding financially and for your overall happiness.
Mikesburg
12-04-2007, 03:16
My wife and I own a Irish pub. I am also partners in an insurance company. We do fairly well. I suggest to anyone interested to start your own business. It can be very rewarding financially and for your overall happiness.

Well, it's good if everything turns out well. It's also possible to either be stuck in a situation that you can't get out of, and a feeling of being trapped, or you can end up in personal bankruptcy.

Owning a business is great when everything is going well, if you don't mind giving up a large part of your personal life. You really don't want to be part of a business on the downslide.
Marrakech II
12-04-2007, 03:18
Well, it's good if everything turns out well. It's also possible to either be stuck in a situation that you can't get out of, and a feeling of being trapped, or you can end up in personal bankruptcy.

Owning a business is great when everything is going well, if you don't mind giving up a large part of your personal life. You really don't want to be part of a business on the downslide.


I have been through a couple failing business. It sucks big time. However I would imagine working in a dead end job sucks worse.
Smunkeeville
12-04-2007, 03:21
Well, it's good if everything turns out well. It's also possible to either be stuck in a situation that you can't get out of, and a feeling of being trapped, or you can end up in personal bankruptcy.

Owning a business is great when everything is going well, if you don't mind giving up a large part of your personal life. You really don't want to be part of a business on the downslide.

it's slightly worse to be employed by a business on the downslide. Hubby and I went through that, they laid him off shortly after I found out I was pregnant with my second child. At least when you own your business you have some control over things.
Mikesburg
12-04-2007, 03:22
I have been through a couple failing business. It sucks big time. However I would imagine working in a dead end job sucks worse.

No, it really doesn't. At least you can leave your job at work. Nothing sucks worse than having people sniffing around your door for money, espescially people with criminal backgrounds and certain 'affiliations'.
Khermi
12-04-2007, 03:35
I work as the 3rd Shift Line Service Supervisor (10pm - 6am) at the airport here in town. I don't make much, $11/hour, but it pays the bills while I finsh up my schooling.

Line Service at an airport are the people who park, tow, fuel and load/unload luggage on planes.
Marrakech II
12-04-2007, 04:48
No, it really doesn't. At least you can leave your job at work. Nothing sucks worse than having people sniffing around your door for money, espescially people with criminal backgrounds and certain 'affiliations'.

Hmm, what type of business are you talking about here?

Don't tell anyone but I heard there is a vodka shipment coming through town at 3am. It will stop at the old warehouse down by the docks. The driver will get out and go take his "lunch" break. ;)
Gun Manufacturers
12-04-2007, 05:04
I work for the USPS, as a Rural Carrier Associate. I make $17.51/hr, but right now, I'm only guaranteed 2 days a week on 2 different routes (9 hours for 1 route, 8.6 hours for the second). So I hope for either of those 2 carriers (or the other RCA on the auxilliary route) to need a day/week off for a doctor's appointment, vacation, etc, as I can use the extra money.
Arthais101
12-04-2007, 05:06
I'm an associate corporate attorney it a medium to medium-large firm in Boston, MA. I don't typically discuss salary figures, but I am competative for my position.
Kanabia
12-04-2007, 06:17
I work part time in a supermarket. I get anywhere between 10 and 40 hours a week at $14.70 an hour (equivalent of roughly $11 US, not sure how that translates into purchasing power).

And I fucking hate it. I thought a university degree would get me out of this shit. No such luck.
Lame Bums
12-04-2007, 06:20
What do you do for a living? Do you work full-time, part-time or casual? Do you get paid what you think you should? Do you like your job?

My job is boring, but I get paid $18 an hour which is much better pay than my other very casual job. I work from 2-6 most nights and on Sundays. I think my pay is fair, but my partner's on the other hand isn't. He works 9-5 generally, for slightly less than I get paid, and he is a skilled proffesional. It's really not fair.

Your thoughts?

I won $30,000 on a scratch-off ticket, so for now, I'm unemployed and I'm playing a lot of golf. :cool:
Neesika
12-04-2007, 06:28
I'm studying law, so not only am I not making a cent, I'm hemorrhaging money just to stay in school. Thank the gods it's only two more years.
United Chicken Kleptos
12-04-2007, 06:35
I thought this was gonna have something to do with prostitution.

But while I'm here, I don't have a job.
Delator
12-04-2007, 06:39
I work part time in a supermarket. I get anywhere between 10 and 40 hours a week at $14.70 an hour (equivalent of roughly $11 US, not sure how that translates into purchasing power).

What do you do there? Have you been there for a while?

$11 per hour is way more than any part-time supermarket salary I've ever heard of.


...as for myself, I work 3rd shift (11pm-7am) at the front desk of a chain hotel. It's not a bad job, as it's a steady 40 hours a week, and I don't have to do much, plus I can do school work while on the job. The downsides are that the pay could be better, and I occasionally have to deal with drunken idiots.

As soon as I finish school, I'm moving, so we'll see where I wind up at that point.
Kanabia
12-04-2007, 07:35
What do you do there? Have you been there for a while?

$11 per hour is way more than any part-time supermarket salary I've ever heard of.

I bag groceries and i've been there for three years.

It may be a lot in American terms, I don't know. I believe it's minimum wage over here. Most people my age earn more per hour.
New Granada
12-04-2007, 07:40
I go to college for a living and get money every month from a fund my parents set up for me.

I worked over the holidays at a cigar store, but spent most of that money in the cigar shop :)

I have also worked in a book store and as a tutor for extra money.
Delator
12-04-2007, 07:57
I bag groceries and i've been there for three years.

It may be a lot in American terms, I don't know. I believe it's minimum wage over here. Most people my age earn more per hour.

Three years as a bagger? Why not buck for cashier, you've got seniority over the other baggers by now, surely?

In my state, you'd be lucky to be pulling in $9 per hour as a bagger. Maybe you could make more in other states, but certainly not here.
Kanabia
12-04-2007, 09:47
Three years as a bagger? Why not buck for cashier, you've got seniority over the other baggers by now, surely?

In my state, you'd be lucky to be pulling in $9 per hour as a bagger. Maybe you could make more in other states, but certainly not here.

Bagger = cashier here (i'm not sure what you mean by a bagger, then?). And no, I have no seniority over anyone.
Arabeska
12-04-2007, 10:10
I work full time as corporate finance analyst, I love my job and I think the salary level is fair (of course it always could be higher, but meh :) )
Independent Browncoats
12-04-2007, 10:27
I don't work and therefore get paid nothing. Well, actually, I do random crap for my old folks. So, not quite nothing, but almost nothing.


I just lost my job as a dishwasher about a month ago. Miserable. $8/hour, and considering the fact that even some of the most ignorant, unskilled, rednecks could it, it paid well. Then again, maybe if I had picked a different restaurant, maybe one full of people my age, perhaps college students, instead of dumb rednecks, it might not have been so miserable.
Akai Oni
12-04-2007, 10:34
I got a part-time job in a child care centre. Today. It's only 8 hours a week, but I get AU$20.17/hr gross. Plus I'm putting my name down for supply teaching 3 days a week. AU$259/day. I thought a degree in teaching would get me steady work. Boy was I wrong.
Boonytopia
12-04-2007, 10:43
I work in an office in the telco industy. It's not too bad & it pays the bills, but I'm starting to think seriously about moving on.
Neu Leonstein
12-04-2007, 10:47
At the moment, I deliver Pizzas. Yay!

I get 5 Aussie dollars (http://www.xe.com/ucc/) for a delivery, but since they don't pay for my fuel I don't work the nights much anymore. It's only worth it on Friday or Saturday night, when you can get up to 6 deliveries done in an hour.

So instead I now do dayshifts, which are normally 6 or 7 hours of $17 each. The good thing is that we just mix up some dough, roll a few bases and are done after one or two hours, then sit around and watch TV for the rest.

Since it makes me enough money and I like the people there, I've got no immediate intention to leave.

Once I finish uni though, the plan is to do a postgrad thing somewhere (so then I'll earn money tutoring) and then start investment banking. That oughta be plenty of money (but also hard work).
Lunatic Goofballs
12-04-2007, 10:52
I'm a professional physical comedian. *nod*
Akai Oni
12-04-2007, 10:53
Once I finish uni though, the plan is to do a postgrad thing somewhere (so then I'll earn money tutoring) and then start investment banking. That oughta be plenty of money (but also hard work).

Seriously, I would love to do post-grad. LOVE it! If I won Lotto, or married a rich man I would spend the rest of my days happily studying at university.
Ifreann
12-04-2007, 11:08
I'm your run of the mill unemployed college student living off savings.

<uber huge list of things Smunk does>

And most importantly, post on NS :p
Neu Leonstein
12-04-2007, 11:08
Seriously, I would love to do post-grad. LOVE it! If I won Lotto, or married a rich man I would spend the rest of my days happily studying at university.
Well, the hope is to avoid what a few people have said already and be just one of many with the same degree.

And to be honest, a business degree isn't worth a whole lot if the people that sit in my classes are anything to go by. So I'll try and get my GPA to 6 or over and then find me some prestigious business or finance school overseas (I'm really, really sick of Brisbane).
Delator
12-04-2007, 11:12
Bagger = cashier here (i'm not sure what you mean by a bagger, then?). And no, I have no seniority over anyone.

Bagger=Bags groceries
Cashier=Scans items and hands them to the bagger, who does all the real work...recieves payment for said groceries

For some reason, cashiers make more than baggers do.

Turnover at grocery stores is pretty high. After three years, I would think that you could talk yourself into any number of different positions better than bagger.

There's no opportunity for advancement, or higher wages in another department (stocking, meat/dairy, mid-management)??
Akai Oni
12-04-2007, 11:19
Well, the hope is to avoid what a few people have said already and be just one of many with the same degree.

And to be honest, a business degree isn't worth a whole lot if the people that sit in my classes are anything to go by. So I'll try and get my GPA to 6 or over and then find me some prestigious business or finance school overseas (I'm really, really sick of Brisbane).

Uni is waaaaaaay too easy to get into in this country. But how could you be sick of Brisbane? It's so exciting and intriguing. :rolleyes: :D We have the ENTIRE Australian population of rednecks in ONE city!
Egg and Chips II
12-04-2007, 11:23
I'm a lazy student most of the time, but I also work in one of the uni bars, which is immense fun. and I get £5.63 and hour, so it's not TOO bad.
Wallonochia
12-04-2007, 12:04
I'm currently a university student and I don't have a job since I'm not legally allowed to work in this country and students who have been here since last semester snagged up all of the "under the table" jobs.
THE LOST PLANET
12-04-2007, 12:30
I'm a hospital engineer. I think my current pay scale is just over $33 an hour, plus shift differential. Some nights it's a breeze and I think to myself 'I can't believe they pay me for this'. But things can go bad in an instant and they often do. Those are the times I think 'they don't pay me enough for this shit'.
Europa Maxima
12-04-2007, 12:37
Studying (1st year Economics with Philosophy) for the time being, so not working - although I will be looking for a part-time job sometime soon. For now I rely on my parents and a bank loan.
Isidoor
12-04-2007, 12:38
i work one month in a steel-factory, but not in production. we have to polish large (3-6 ton) rollers wich are used to make the steel flatter. i have to help moving the rollers and do a little bit work on them.
it's not really interesting, but it pays enought for the rest of the year (€ 2200) and the people i work with are very different from the students i hang out with mostly, wich is kind of interesting. it's also the most advanced workplace in its kind, wich is kind of cool too.
next year i would like to rent a house closer to school together with some friends so i guess i'll have to take an extra job.
Amor Pulchritudo
12-04-2007, 12:44
I own 3 businesses that I work out of my house, I do tax/financial planning, I only take on clients when I want to. I design/host websites, again pretty much just when I want to, that one I am trying to close down, tired of it, been doing it since 98. I also am a clown, I do that mostly on Saturdays, although when an art festival etc is in town I will show up all days. I get paid well, since the benefits of my jobs are that I do what I want when I want. I also tutor and teach but only really get paid enough to cover my expenses. I used to have a lot of other jobs, but I quit most of them this year. I also homeschool my kids. I volunteer one night a week at the library, which actually sorta coincides with my tutoring.......and I do all the housewife stuff. I am very active in my local political stuff, and am lobbying congress and the FDA about the auto-immune disorder I and my children have, hoping to get better labeling laws in place. In my spare time I read about 6-8 books a week on my own and about 40 to my 3 year old who is still learning to read, my 5 year old is starting to pick up some of that slack for me, since I am currently going back to school to finish my degree, although I never will use it. ;) (hopefully I won't have to, I mean)

I work anywhere from 5-70 hours a week, depending on the time of year, my mood, my kids' moods, my husband's needs, and the dog's health.

Hubby is a network engineer (among other things) a college student, and an actor. I am officially his agent right now, so I do that too. I have had other people inquire about me taking them on as clients, but I think I am too busy.

How interesting. You're very busy.

I work full time as corporate finance analyst, I love my job and I think the salary level is fair (of course it always could be higher, but meh :) )

You love being a corporate finance analyst? Tell me, how do you put up with it! My fiance is in consumer lending.
Pure Metal
12-04-2007, 13:45
my job itself is pretty good. i'm 21 and i'm managing projects at a marketing agency and am a shareholder. its my parents' business. my dad often remarks that i'm handling projects that 30 or 40 year old managers would normally be doing.

so that kinda means its stressful. its also difficult to deal with on an emotional level, working for one's parents and stuff, but that is getting better (especially now we've moved offices to a neighbouring town, so southampton is my home and winchester is where i work :))


the level of pay is good. not as good as it could be if i worked somewhere else, but i like helping my parents and i still have a lot of personal issues that would make employment elsewhere troublesome (clinical depression, social anxiety, low self esteem...)


i work from 11am to 7 or 8 each night. but i get the weekends off to spend with my gf though :)
The blessed Chris
12-04-2007, 14:05
your job is cushy. i get paid £5.50 per hour to wait tables or work the bar or whatever else they want me to do at the function centre i work at. tips are very rare. i work whenever they have shifts for me, usually a couple of nights a week, for between 6 and 12 hours.

Just a point. I hate you.:)

I wash dishes for less than that. On Easter Sunday, I worked from 11 to 1 in the morning, at £5.00 an hour.

Incidentally, I do hate my job, but it pays better than anything else I can readily find, and is sufficiently liberal in its approach to hours that it would suit when at university.
Arabeska
12-04-2007, 14:06
You love being a corporate finance analyst? Tell me, how do you put up with it! My fiance is in consumer lending.

Well for one side of personal reasons, it is just that this is industry that I understand, I like working there and I am good at that.

For the other side of my more objective reasons: The diversity of companies is fascinating. I have considered job as financial director of company, but then after some time (probably around 2 years) you lose your edge and get into routine of the same company (similar loans, similar risks, similar cost stucture) and you can loose your creative and critical view. Working in corporate finance with basically different company each few months, you retain your edge and it is also exciting learning the rules and situations of each industry, of each company, meeting a lot of interesting people.

Well that's just me :)

Also the pay is good (maybe very low compared to rich countries like USA, but quite good for here).
Krahe
12-04-2007, 14:16
Well, I'm a government slob - work as a program analyst with the NASA Office of Inspector General. Cool job sometimes (got to wander around the space shuttle while it was being processed after it's last flight), mindlessly boring other times.
Australia and the USA
12-04-2007, 16:13
I wok in a District Attorney's office in Boston. Nice $35 an hour job. 40 hour week. Office. It's quite easy actually. But i only plan on doing it a few more years and then eventually getting into politics.
Hydesland
12-04-2007, 16:23
I go to other countries to fight baddies, sleep with women, and get really lucky in casinos.
Sir Momomomo
12-04-2007, 16:40
I'm a screenwriter. I like my job but it has its downsides.

If I sell a screenplay I get a certain amount up front which can look very appealing in a windfall sort of way but it soon disappears with tax, agent fees and it has often got to last over a couple of years. I don't sell too many like that and I get a lot of work through script consultancy and quick re-drafts.

It eats up a lot of my personal time and can be quite destructive to my social life as I've got to split time between different countries and I've pretty much always got to be available so it's hard to get into routines or make plans with friends.

I used to work as a waiter, writing on the side waiting for my big break and my dream to come true. But if success isn't on your own terms then it's not success at all - if I end up making the films I want to make then I'll be happy, and it's only for that possibility that I keep going and don't chuck it in for something less intrusive.
Smunkeeville
12-04-2007, 16:47
How interesting. You're very busy.

I have a lot of free time......I just need to learn to manage it better. :D
Kanabia
12-04-2007, 21:00
Bagger=Bags groceries
Cashier=Scans items and hands them to the bagger, who does all the real work...recieves payment for said groceries

For some reason, cashiers make more than baggers do.


Hehe. No wonder they get paid so little over there, it seems i'm doing the work of two people by American standards. :P

I scan, and then put things into a bag whilst scanning. Amongst other things.

Turnover at grocery stores is pretty high. After three years, I would think that you could talk yourself into any number of different positions better than bagger.

There's no opportunity for advancement, or higher wages in another department (stocking, meat/dairy, mid-management)??

No. Other departments pay the same anyway, even if I did transfer (because i'd still have the same position in the pecking order). And nobody has offered me a promotion in the form of supervisor training or anything. But in all honesty, I don't want to be working in a supermarket for the rest of my life. I didn't put myself in debt to get my degree for nothing...at least I hope not.

So I guess I keep trying for jobs, and keep getting rejected for lack of "experience". Or go back to university again.
Slaughterhouse five
12-04-2007, 21:31
currently looking for a new job. i recently got a new position at work and im not liking it too much. im able to stand it so im not in too much of a hurry though. i wish i could go back to doing what i used to do for the same company. my new job envolves alot less manual labor and alot more desk work. i still hang around my old area when ever i can get away from the desk for a little bit. :(

i am part time working 30 hours a week and going to school
Mikesburg
12-04-2007, 22:43
Hmm, what type of business are you talking about here?

Don't tell anyone but I heard there is a vodka shipment coming through town at 3am. It will stop at the old warehouse down by the docks. The driver will get out and go take his "lunch" break. ;)

:D

Actually, nothing so seedy, at least not as seedy. I owned/operated a mid-sized household/commercial moving company. It wasn't so much the business I did, as much as it was who my partner borrowed money from. I'm not going to go into all the gory details, but it wasn't a fun chapter in my life.

My main point, was that although there are definitely some strong selling points to owning your own business, being caught in the tail end of a failing business is much, much worse than working in a 'dead end job'. It really all depends on the particular circumstances, but generally speaking, it's better to just punch a clock, take your paycheque and go home, vs. being 'owned' by your business, and paying for the privelege of having everything you built fall apart before your eyes.
Hunter S Thompsonia
12-04-2007, 22:46
Excellent thread! it's really interesting to see what other people do, although you have to be careful not to let yourself start defining everyone by their careers. As for myself, I am a 19 (in a couple months) year old post-high school student in my gap year(s), trying to decide what to do. I'm thinking of taking several BA's in languages, then maybe moving from there to a PHD in linguistics or anthropology or something. I'm also considering moving to Russia next year to take Russian in Moscow, if I can pull it off. Currently I work 3 days a week, 4 hours a day, at 8$ an hour, shelving books in a library. I've had higher paying jobs, but certainly no easier or less stressful ones.
Whereyouthinkyougoing
12-04-2007, 22:57
Besides uni, I work at an office organizing medical and nursing management conferences. It's okay even though we're way too few people with wayyyyyy too big a workload.
It pays €9.50 an hour, which is pretty good. Not fantastic, but not at all bad, either (equals US$12.80, GBP6.50, AU$15.45, CA$14.53, RUB331.16 :p).

I won $30,000 on a scratch-off ticket, so for now, I'm unemployed and I'm playing a lot of golf. :cool:I remember reading about that before. So you really weren't kidding, eh? Nifty. :)

Bagger = cashier here (i'm not sure what you mean by a bagger, then?). And no, I have no seniority over anyone.
Bagger=Bags groceries
Cashier=Scans items and hands them to the bagger, who does all the real work...recieves payment for said groceries
Hehe. No wonder they get paid so little over there, it seems i'm doing the work of two people by American standards. :P

I scan, and then put things into a bag whilst scanning. Amongst other things.
Wait, what? I had no idea! I was operating on Delator's definition, too. So you handle the money, too, right? I mean, you guys don't have a random second person handling the money, right?
Mikesburg
12-04-2007, 23:01
it's slightly worse to be employed by a business on the downslide. Hubby and I went through that, they laid him off shortly after I found out I was pregnant with my second child. At least when you own your business you have some control over things.

I wanted to mull over that before I responded, because although I know how I feel about it, I wanted to say it properly.

As bad as it is, to be laid off from a job, espescially during a stressful time like pregnancy, it is much, much worse to have built a business, and have it go under.

I'll put it this way;

If you are an employee of a bankrupt company, worse case scenario is, you lose your job, and you might end up losing out on your last paycheque. You may have a hard time finding a new job (although all of my employees bounced back with better jobs - go figure), although you can still get social assistance (again, depending on the country you live in I guess.)

If you are an employer, and your business goes under, you most cetainly don't have control over things. The business controls you. If the business is into a bankruptcy situation, odds are you've tried every possible situation you can think of to balance your books, including massive borrowing. You are not your own boss. The customer is your boss. Your creditor is your boss. Your employees, who depend on you, and who you depend on to keep your business running, are your bosses. There is no escape from it, unless you can find someone to buy your business from you. Most likely you will end up in personal bankruptcy. If things don't go well with some of your employees, you may have to move, or live in fear of 'retribution'. You live feeling guilty that you let people down, or that you are a personal failure.

What do you put on your resume when your business fails, and you try to return to a 'regular job'? You could lie about owning a failed business, but these things tend to catch up to you. You could try a new business venture, but again, it depends on your financial situation, and whether or not you've ruined your name amongst former business contacts.

Personally, when my business went under, it didn't just affect me. It affected everyone in my immediate family, because it was a family owned and operated business. My sister, was pregnant as well, and her fiance worked for us to boot. My stepfather, who was the primary owner, tried committing suicide - twice, leaving me to step in and try to sort out the mess that he had dug himself into trying to steer our company back out of the red. My mother, on top of dealing with the financial stress, now was dealing with a man who had tried to commit suicide to escape from his guilt, and under some false delusion that insurance money would save the company. My brother, who I lived with at the time, also ended up having to look for work.


I'm not saying that owning a business can't be fantastic. When it's good, it's really good. I was never more confident than when I could look at what I had built, quite litterally from the sweat off my back, and think to myself 'I really did it.' When it goes sour, all those feelings of confidence go straight out the window, because it doesn't always matter how hard you work, or how good of a person you are, you still feel like you're a sub-human life form, and all of the employees you let go, often think that you are.

No, losing a business, is much worse, than being let go from one.
Imperial isa
12-04-2007, 23:03
Wait, what? I had no idea! I was operating on Delator's definition, too. So you handle the money, too, right? I mean, you guys don't have a random second person handling the money, right?

no second person just one person who scans and bags as they go an ask for the cash after all groceries are in the bags
Oneiro
12-04-2007, 23:04
I man the internal helpdesk for a small distribution company on a parttime basis to help pay for college. I work tuesdays and thursdays, my colleague monday, wednsday and friday. I get payed €8,86, which is pretty good for a job I got into with no relevant education or work experience. 20% of my work is answering Microsoft Office related questions from the employees, 20% is creating problems for myself to fix so that I don't seem like a waste of money, 10% is me and my colleagues creating problems for each other to fix to keep ourselves entertained and the rest is mostly sitting on my ass and reading webcomics.
Whereyouthinkyougoing
12-04-2007, 23:06
no second person just one person who scans and bags as they go an ask for the cash after all groceries are in the bagsThanks.
And wow, that's not too shabby, actually. How do you even bag stuff while also scanning it and collecting the money? Doesn't that take forever per customer?
Or am I just spoiled by our discount "Aldi"s and "Lidl"s and whatnot where the cashiers have rung up your purchases before you even thought about getting out your wallet? And of course we're strictly a "bag your own stuff" country. ;)
Whereyouthinkyougoing
12-04-2007, 23:07
20% is creating problems for myself to fix so that I don't seem like a waste of money, 10% is me and my colleagues creating problems for each other to fix to keep ourselves entertained:p
Imperial isa
12-04-2007, 23:20
Thanks.
And wow, that's not too shabby, actually. How do you even bag stuff while also scanning it and collecting the money? Doesn't that take forever per customer?
Or am I just spoiled by our discount "Aldi"s and "Lidl"s and whatnot where the cashiers have rung up your purchases before you even thought about getting out your wallet? And of course we're strictly a "bag your own stuff" country. ;)

you pick up the groceries that are on little belt an do it all over again till there is no more on the belt then ring it all up

if they got a dam full trolley yes it dose hate waiting behind who do
Whereyouthinkyougoing
12-04-2007, 23:23
you pick up the groceries that are on little belt an do it all over again till there is no more on the belt then ring it all up
Alright, it was a stupid question. >.<
Imperial isa
12-04-2007, 23:27
Alright, it was a stupid question. >.<

no not really
Luvadubbaly
13-04-2007, 00:04
Ok, I'm afraid this is going to be a bit of an essay, its complicated, lol.

In a word, I'm unemployed....BUT...and this is a big but...I have lots of plans.

I have been looking for a job for 6 months now, and do have a year's administration experience and some good qualifications. But being a teenage mum is a HUGE setback in an interview. I've also been waiting over a year to start my university course, but I can't start until I turn 18 and that isnt until May, and the first start date for the course after that is Oct. Grrr
After my university course then I am going to do a PGCE in secondary education, and then pray that there are jobs available as a teacher. I am a very driven person, and just want to provide for my family, can anyone tell me why this seems to be a negative thing for employers? I would have thought intiative and drive would be a plus, but evidently not :(

If anyone knows of anywhere at all that is recruiting in the UK, anywhere between London and Northampton then please, please, please let me know!

Can I just ask a general question to all those who are still living at home while working or studying (and not as a dig at all)
Why do you stay at home, is it the convenience, the money saving aspect, or something else?
Rasselas
13-04-2007, 01:22
Can I just ask a general question to all those who are still living at home while working or studying (and not as a dig at all)
Why do you stay at home, is it the convenience, the money saving aspect, or something else?
Two reasons - so that I don't leave uni with thousands of pounds worth of debt, and so that I don't have to live in Salford. It's not the nicest of places, and since home is a 15 minute drive away it wouldn't be worth it.

As for your work...are you applying to jobs that will cater for your needs? I work in a shop and theres plenty of mums that work there - it's shift work so you can schedule work around caring for your child.
Marrakech II
13-04-2007, 02:08
I go to other countries to fight baddies, sleep with women, and get really lucky in casinos.

Mercenary?
Rubiconic Crossings
13-04-2007, 02:17
I work in IT (as I think I have mentioned a few times LOL) as a manager.

I usually work as a contractor (therefore my own company) for large multinationals or prestige companies that need help organising their IT infrastructure support teams.

My job title is usually Service Delivery Manager or Infrastructure Manager. I also work as a project manager, and as a consultant in the Service Management arena. I usually get to talk to senior managers about IT and IT projects and have to explain constantly that computers are not magic boxes that automatically work out of the shipping crate.

The teams I manage are usually between 10 and 20 people...which makes life fun.

I do love IT but its getting harder and harder as more people turn up who think they know everything about IT.

Although the contract rates are very good I am getting tired of the hassles and have been looking for a perm job for the last few months.

In the meantime I have a few little things ticking over that pay the bills.
Rotovia-
15-04-2007, 02:29
What do you do for a living? Do you work full-time, part-time or casual? Do you get paid what you think you should? Do you like your job?

My job is boring, but I get paid $18 an hour which is much better pay than my other very casual job. I work from 2-6 most nights and on Sundays. I think my pay is fair, but my partner's on the other hand isn't. He works 9-5 generally, for slightly less than I get paid, and he is a skilled proffesional. It's really not fair.

Your thoughts?

Actually, I make $18.94 an hour, before tax. But because I have a salary package, if you work out what I get in my pocket and divide it by the hours I get paid, it sometimes works out less.

I've got a pretty good deal in terms of holidays and little perks, I'm sure it could be better but our recent contract negotiations were right before lunch and we were all too hungry to even vote on daycare...
Kanabia
16-04-2007, 05:17
Wait, what? I had no idea! I was operating on Delator's definition, too. So you handle the money, too, right? I mean, you guys don't have a random second person handling the money, right?

no second person just one person who scans and bags as they go an ask for the cash after all groceries are in the bags

Yes, I handle the money (and cheques, debit cards, and so on).

Thanks.
And wow, that's not too shabby, actually. How do you even bag stuff while also scanning it and collecting the money? Doesn't that take forever per customer?

Multitasking. *nod*

I don't have to collect money while i'm scanning and bagging yet, but they're bringing that in for the convenience of teh customer.
Alexandrian Ptolemais
16-04-2007, 05:34
First of all, to all those confused people out there, down here in New Zealand (and Australia I think) we tend not to have separate people doing the packing and the cashiers job - the same person scans the items, packs the bags and gets the customer to pay. The only place where I have seen packers down here is New World.

On that topic, I am a checkout operator and I earn about NZ$11.55 an hour; not that high, I know, but it is very easy for me to get leave and I can essentially fit my work around my university studies.
Kanabia
16-04-2007, 11:01
On that topic, I am a checkout operator and I earn about NZ$11.55 an hour; not that high, I know, but it is very easy for me to get leave and I can essentially fit my work around my university studies.
I actually have all manner of trouble getting leave at my workplace. They crack the shits if I don't give them 4 weeks notice.
Chandelier
16-04-2007, 12:01
I don't have a job yet (I'm a high school student), but I'm planning to get a job at a grocery store this summer.
Alexandrian Ptolemais
16-04-2007, 12:08
I actually have all manner of trouble getting leave at my workplace. They crack the shits if I don't give them 4 weeks notice.

Ouch; I would be quitting, especially as I rarely get that much notice for test dates and so on.
Myu in the Middle
16-04-2007, 12:36
I'm either going in to media, politics, literature or academia once I graduate (and maybe pick up a second degree). I did some temp work at an IT company and some HR work at an engineering company and between the two of them I have been persuaded to never, ever get a conventional desk job.