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http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum30/28346.htm

http://sethf.com/anticensorware/bess/google.php

(I couldn't really find any really good links)

Apparently, kids at public schools around the country were using Google Image Search to look up porn. Since the schools were to lazy or stupid to install any kind of protection software, or something like that, they simply banned Google Images in school.

At my school (I won't disclose the location) they've even gone far enough as to ban Google entirely, not just the image search. I've found out several loopholes around that ban, but still, I mean, BANNING GOOGLE? Just buy or download for free software to install on the school server. If you're really that desperate for money, share the software across the community. Banning google, even if a few students looked up porn, will only lower grades, increase rebellious thoughts in students, and just make life harder for students. I mean, I know that I use Google to put in a finishing touch on a project at least several times a week.

Thoughts?

does the school not know there are other search engines?

use elgoog!

well:

1) there is really no way to block the images on Google, sites have to be naughty listed first and with a search engine that rapidly searches new sites everyday this is impossible

2) hopefully this will lead to Google doing something about the disturbing images that come out of ordinary searches

3) you seem awfully emotional about this don't you :p ;)

4) if schools can't guarantee that kids won't see bad stuff on the internets parents won't let there kids use it in school and so we find ourselves with those annoying people who constantly ask for help installing windows

5) I don't think I use Google for anything but porn :(

Wow, they just now noticed?

Our school has banned Google image search, but funnily enough they only banned the Australian image search. If we need to search for images we can just go on co.uk... :rolleyes:

Yeah, that's c2k systems for you... We have 'em in our school

Good.

*watches all the kids migrate to Yahoo images*

Well that worked well

Apparently, kids at public schools around the country were using Google Image Search to look up porn.

why?

why?

Because porn sites are blocked, so you use google images as a workaround.

They might as well go the whole hog then and get rid of the internet access totally. It'll happen, I guarantee it.

Thus begins the rise of the global nanny state. :(

Google already has image filtering on it... I'm sure there could be some way of forcibly keeping filtering on high...

Because porn sites are blocked, so you use google images as a workaround.

but they are at school - what do they intend to do with porn in the classroom?

Google already has image filtering on it... I'm sure there could be some way of forcibly keeping filtering on high...
The only way I can think of would take too much effort and time. Then again any real solution would take more time than any public school would employ.

My school has the homepage set to google. Camera devices have recently been installed all over the school. Correlation?

My school has the homepage set to google. Camera devices have recently been installed all over the school. Correlation?

My school has cameras, microphones, and an assortment of other gadgets set in the most unusual places.

Well, if you have a laptop (from the school) say and you go in a corner with a low desk, and then your back to the corner, you can look up porn with no one seeing you. I admit, I don't see why they would do that.

And it's not really for that, but simply now that Google is gone, I have to search for actual information to school on other search engines, that in the past, haven't proved as reliable as Google has. And Google is generally more awesome.

well:

1) there is really no way to block the images on Google, sites have to be naughty listed first and with a search engine that rapidly searches new sites everyday this is impossible

2) hopefully this will lead to Google doing something about the disturbing images that come out of ordinary searches

3) you seem awfully emotional about this don't you :p ;)

Well, I happen to use Google a lot as a freshman in high school. So it's kind of affecting me to some extent. And, I mean, how many sites are schools gonna block? First nationstates, then this...:(

4) if schools can't guarantee that kids won't see bad stuff on the internets parents won't let there kids use it in school and so we find ourselves with those annoying people who constantly ask for help installing windows

5) I don't think I use Google for anything but porn :(

lol :rolleyes:

how about this: make the kids bring their own porn to school... then they wont need to use Google for porn?

I have no idea why anybody would be so stupid as to look up pr0n at school. It's asking for trouble anyhow...

I have no idea why anybody would be so stupid as to look up pr0n at school. It's asking for trouble anyhow...

I've seen it done. I've gone down the list of recent searches on the Google site, and there were names of celebrities, sex, etc. It was kind of sickening that it was being done at school under every teacher's nose. And just the prinicple in itself.

No offense to all the pr0n addicts out there... :p

You do know that along with the good information, you get lots and lots of crap sites from Google, right?

You do know that along with the good information, you get lots and lots of crap sites from Google, right?

As does any search engine, or at least the ones I've tried so far. Google just happens to be the most popular search engine around, so sites that want to pay so that their information is on the first or second pages, will usually pay Google, and only later think about Yahoo or AOL, etc.

I find that most of the crap sites don't start until the 2-3rd pages, usually. If I don't find a good source in the first two or three pages, I reword my search a couple times. If that fails, I try wikipedia. If that fails, I usually do a little book search in the public library near me. I usually get what I'm looking for by then.

You do know that along with the good information, you get lots and lots of crap sites from Google, right?
You do know that along with the good information, you get lots and lots of crap sites from any search engine, right?

well:

1) there is really no way to block the images on Google, sites have to be naughty listed first and with a search engine that rapidly searches new sites everyday this is impossible

2) hopefully this will lead to Google doing something about the disturbing images that come out of ordinary searches

3) you seem awfully emotional about this don't you :p ;)

4) if schools can't guarantee that kids won't see bad stuff on the internets parents won't let there kids use it in school and so we find ourselves with those annoying people who constantly ask for help installing windows

5) I don't think I use Google for anything but porn :(

2. But what will happen to our beloved google sepeku if they block shit to make the weak lose?

Seriously, search engine porn sucks. There is some good porn out there, but it sure as hell isn't on google.



But yeah, what kind of moron looks at porn in school?

You know, I don't think this is about the porn, I think it's part of the war on the internet and electronic entertainment. All of which is fought under the banner of "protecting children," slowly they make inroads on the internet, getting laws in place that allow them a little more control, then they just spring the trap shut and the only thing that comes through the internet is stuff that's been approved by a fundementalist panel. Just watch, and remember, fight censorship to the end!

When will the world learn:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5430343841227974645&q=The+internet+is&hl=en

You know, I don't think this is about the porn, I think it's part of the war on the internet and electronic entertainment. All of which is fought under the banner of "protecting children," slowly they make inroads on the internet, getting laws in place that allow them a little more control, then they just spring the trap shut and the only thing that comes through the internet is stuff that's been approved by a fundementalist panel. Just watch, and remember, fight censorship to the end!
I hate to sound like I forgot to don my tinfoil hat, but I think you're right. At the very least idiotic 'moral outrage' like this is a godsend for telecoms.

Google already has image filtering on it... I'm sure there could be some way of forcibly keeping filtering on high...

There is. My school district does it. I don't know how though.

Of course, my school district is assinine beyond belief about computers. Political blogs were recently blocked as "messageboards".

http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum30/28346.htm

http://sethf.com/anticensorware/bess/google.php

I hate that ****ing Bess.

Nationstates is banned as well. Even though there is a CLASSROOM SETUP ON IT.

PS: Teachers don't like it either.

I hate to sound like I forgot to don my tinfoil hat, but I think you're right. At the very least idiotic 'moral outrage' like this is a godsend for telecoms.

My tinfoil hat is shaped like a battleship.

Sadly, it's only a matter of time before the internet is just like tv, overregulated and policed by uptight, overprotective mothers and fathers that don't get laid enough. All the content reduced to only that which is fit for children, and therefore totally unwatchable. Just wait until the Obscenity Purges of 2012.

I fear for this series of tubes.

2) hopefully this will lead to Google doing something about the disturbing images that come out of ordinary searchesNoooooooooooo~~~ ;_; I wubs me google seppuku.

Yay for YaCY (www.yacy.net/yacy)! :)

(SCNR)

And really: WTH? Shouldn't they ban the 'net alltogether? and mobile phones since you can carry pr0n on them? and paper and pencils since you can draw pr0n with them? I KNOW that the governments are afraid of free speech with all its consequences, but this is getting ridiculous!

I remember leading the admins of my school over a wild chase over every single national variation of google, and they would follow in my tracks and block every single one. I was able to keep them guessing right up until I graduated. Now, I would guess, they've got all of them, and it's on the next generation to figure out new ways to get to that sweet google image goodness.

You do know that along with the good information, you get lots and lots of crap sites from Google, right?

Welcome to the internet.

You could use wamwam.info. It gets into blocked sites. I know because im a student:rolleyes:

Good.

how is it good. Censorship is always wrong.

The internets without google?


But........but..........how?

The internets without google?


But........but..........how?
there ARE other search engines.

IMHO the schoolks should react and swith to Linux without X11 (or some BSD, or the OS which posted in this thread :) ). No chance in hell people will look at myspace or pron with that.

there ARE other search engines.

Bah. That's like saying "well there are other forums" when you can't access NSG. And by that I mean blasphemous. False idol worshipper.

you know, if they're so concerned about it, they could just prevent students from using the internet in school.... :rolleyes:

there is a way of getting google image search if it has been blocked. they just blocked the main image page at my school but i had recently managed to get onto an image search and then added it to my favourites. they haven't blocked that page yet.

it's ok, google, with all it's power and money, will just buy the school and unblock google. It will happen.

Things blockers won't block:
Chached sites (Until they finish this Google thing)

FTP Sites.

(ftp.westwood)
I downloaded Tiberian Sun in the middle of class and started playing. Made a whole series of mods, WITH TEACHER approval! (Hey it's coding and I finished my assignment.)

It's only a phase. They'll stop using google once they find a solid free vid/pic site and branch out from there. *nods*

As does any search engine, or at least the ones I've tried so far. Google just happens to be the most popular search engine around, so sites that want to pay so that their information is on the first or second pages, will usually pay Google, and only later think about Yahoo or AOL, etc.

you don't pay to get on a google search unless you do pay per click, those are in that little blue shaded area near the top of the page. Everything else is based on relevance, people who know how to make their page relevant are at the top of google's results.

how is it good. Censorship is always wrong.

I suppose he wants us to protect the children from those disturbing images that make them think those evil, dirty thoughts.

It's a fucking search engine. I don't know what kind of schools you go to but it can't be to good ones if they are stupid enough to ban google images.

you don't pay to get on a google search unless you do pay per click, those are in that little blue shaded area near the top of the page. Everything else is based on relevance, people who know how to make their page relevant are at the top of google's results.

If you look up "failure" on Google, an account of President Bush is on the first page. Obviously, the site had to pay Google to get their site on the first page, just for kicks and laughs.

The first 1-2 pages, sometimes more depending on the search, are most likely at least a little bit paying to Google so that their sites are shown first and foremost.

Google also makes most of its money primarily from ads. It is very beneficial to post ads on Google as people will come across them more easily. I often wondered how Google became so rich - it's not because they were a search engine (although indirectly it did, because it was visited so often) it's because it's an ad company.

http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum30/28346.htm

http://sethf.com/anticensorware/bess/google.php

(I couldn't really find any really good links)

Apparently, kids at public schools around the country were using Google Image Search to look up porn. Since the schools were to lazy or stupid to install any kind of protection software, or something like that, they simply banned Google Images in school.

At my school (I won't disclose the location) they've even gone far enough as to ban Google entirely, not just the image search. I've found out several loopholes around that ban, but still, I mean, BANNING GOOGLE? Just buy or download for free software to install on the school server. If you're really that desperate for money, share the software across the community. Banning google, even if a few students looked up porn, will only lower grades, increase rebellious thoughts in students, and just make life harder for students. I mean, I know that I use Google to put in a finishing touch on a project at least several times a week.

Thoughts?

While I think it is stupid I dont really blame the network admins, do you know the cost of something that would actually determine a the content of an image that is hosted on google?

Not many school districts have the cash to do a selective filter like that and not many have the skill to hand write something that WOULD do that

If you look up "failure" on Google, an account of President Bush is on the first page. Obviously, the site had to pay Google to get their site on the first page, just for kicks and laughs.

The first 1-2 pages, sometimes more depending on the search, are most likely at least a little bit paying to Google so that their sites are shown first and foremost.

Google also makes most of its money primarily from ads. It is very beneficial to post ads on Google as people will come across them more easily. I often wondered how Google became so rich - it's not because they were a search engine (although indirectly it did, because it was visited so often) it's because it's an ad company.

Not payed
Google bombed
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_bomb

Though they have nerfed bombing ability

use elgoog!

Or Gizoogle! :p

It's a fucking search engine. I don't know what kind of schools you go to but it can't be to good ones if they are stupid enough to ban google images.

So a bunch of idiots are stupid enough to abuse a tool, which then has to be banned by most schools offering under age kids internet access. And you are mad at the people having to do the blocking?

Or Gizoogle! :p

Gizoogle is not a search engine. It's an English -> Jive translation.

It's a fucking search engine. I don't know what kind of schools you go to but it can't be to good ones if they are stupid enough to ban google images.

Mine hasn't thank God. Though people do surf hentai anyway... my friend had a friend surf hentai in school last year (8th grade)...

http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum30/28346.htm

http://sethf.com/anticensorware/bess/google.php

(I couldn't really find any really good links)

Apparently, kids at public schools around the country were using Google Image Search to look up porn. Since the schools were to lazy or stupid to install any kind of protection software, or something like that, they simply banned Google Images in school.

At my school (I won't disclose the location) they've even gone far enough as to ban Google entirely, not just the image search. I've found out several loopholes around that ban, but still, I mean, BANNING GOOGLE? Just buy or download for free software to install on the school server. If you're really that desperate for money, share the software across the community. Banning google, even if a few students looked up porn, will only lower grades, increase rebellious thoughts in students, and just make life harder for students. I mean, I know that I use Google to put in a finishing touch on a project at least several times a week.

Thoughts?

Idiots.

Gizoogle is not a search engine. It's an English -> Jive translation.

Oh. I just remembered it from memory- from last year. :(

*slinks away in shame*

Idiots.

I agree.

We've been in the same threads and you have not been fluffling me. You must pay the toll. :mad:

:fluffle:

what next books

what next books

After that, teaching. :)

After that, teaching. :)

i think they started doing that years ago

what next books

I can agree that schools are schools - they are not democratic organizations meant to spread democracy. And yet, it is possible that schools doing it could only be the first step. Next, we'll have a nationwide Google ban. Then, we'll have a firewall across the country's internet.

Just like China... :p

Mine hasn't thank God. Though people do surf hentai anyway... my friend had a friend surf hentai in school last year (8th grade)...

It's not a reason to block it. Most students do what they're supposed to do in class and blocking sites are just a waste of time.

So a bunch of idiots are stupid enough to abuse a tool, which then has to be banned by most schools offering under age kids internet access. And you are mad at the people having to do the blocking?

If they block one thing they will block another. Blocking Google images is not stupid, it's retarded. I don't care if they block porn sites as almoust noone uses them in school But blocking Google Images is stupid because there are hundreds/thousands/infinite others of search engines which can be used.

If they block one thing they will block another. Blocking Google images is not stupid, it's retarded. I don't care if they block porn sites as almoust noone uses them in school But blocking Google Images is stupid because there are hundreds/thousands/infinite others of search engines which can be used.

But the way google images caches the images it makes it almost impossible to filter without blocking the site in its entirety.

You are right there are other places they could go but they got to start somewhere if it is required from above.

It's not a reason to block it. Most students do what they're supposed to do in class and blocking sites are just a waste of time.

Yet it is often a politically motivated necessity... I think it is stupid that anything has to be censored but I also dont blame it on the local tech like so many people seem to do

there ARE other search engines.

IMHO the schoolks should react and swith to Linux without X11 (or some BSD, or the OS which posted in this thread :) ). No chance in hell people will look at myspace or pron with that.

Sure, next thing you'll try to tell me that tthere are other forums.

there ARE other search engines.

IMHO the schoolks should react and swith to Linux without X11 (or some BSD, or the OS which posted in this thread :) ). No chance in hell people will look at myspace or pron with that.

http://geek.upwardthrust.us/pictures/general.jpg

Buh? Why not just turn on Google's filter and then write protect the google settings cookie so student accounts can't change search settings... o.O

after a couple of minutes of searching this is the most hardcore image I could find. Hardly pornographic.
http://www.germes-online.com/direct/dbimage/50324003/Sexy_Corset.jpg

Buh? Why not just turn on Google's filter and then write protect the google settings cookie so student accounts can't change search settings... o.O

after a couple of minutes of searching this is the most hardcore image I could find. Hardly pornographic.
http://www.germes-online.com/direct/dbimage/50324003/Sexy_Corset.jpg

Depending on how they do roaming profiles (if they do) it is a bit more interesting then that to get the cookie to roam correctly and not be over wrote by the profile owner

I agree that is more ideal but touchy like I said depending on the profile type and how they travel.

Depending on how they do roaming profiles (if they do) it is a bit more interesting then that to get the cookie to roam correctly and not be over wrote by the profile owner

I agree that is more ideal but touchy like I said depending on the profile type and how they travel.Why would it have to be roaming? Sure it would be easier to monitor and change from a central location if it was part of the roaming profile, but why not just make it a setting on the local machine that can only be changed when the admin account is being used. Or something like that.

Why would it have to be roaming? Sure it would be easier to monitor and change from a central location if it was part of the roaming profile, but why not just make it a setting on the local machine that can only be changed when the admin account is being used. Or something like that.

Because GPO gets tricky when you try to apply what would be a domain level policy and have a single exception within that file

The reason I brought up roaming is that is the way workstations go these days more often then not, and more then likely what the school will have to work with.

But enforcing a locally locked down individual file in what is otherwise a roaming folder is a recipe for glitches

It is possible, we have done some things like that in the past here (not the filtering part but other static mixed with roaming) but weirdness kept mangling students profiles to the point of a 5% + reset rate a simester

Either way I sure as hell would not want to be the tech supporting that, there are better (though more expensive) ways to filter a lot of that unwanted content but it is hit or miss with proxy'd images

Because GPO gets tricky when you try to apply what would be a domain level policy and have a single exception within that file

The reason I brought up roaming is that is the way workstations go these days more often then not, and more then likely what the school will have to work with.

But enforcing a locally locked down individual file in what is otherwise a roaming folder is a recipe for glitches

It is possible, we have done some things like that in the past here (not the filtering part but other static mixed with roaming) but weirdness kept mangling students profiles to the point of a 5% + reset rate a simester

Either way I sure as hell would not want to be the tech supporting that, there are better (though more expensive) ways to filter a lot of that unwanted content but it is hit or miss with proxy'd imagesHmm, yes, the only place I know that doesn't use roaming profiles is an Apple video editing suite in a FE college. Networks don't tend to work very well if they are constantly haveing to upload gigabyte-sized files for students.

Hmm... well not system is going to 100% secure, and I find to be foolish to prevent the bulk of students from using a valuable research tool just to prevent a few trouble makers from uploading porn.

That brings up another point. Why not just ban specific students caught accessing pornsites from using google rather than the entire student body? And turn on safesearch as well so it is very unlikely a student will stumble upon a porn site by 'accident'. If one student gets really devious you could just either a ban them from accessing the internet at all, or delete their account full stop.

Hmm, yes, the only place I know that doesn't use roaming profiles is an Apple video editing suite in a FE college. Networks don't tend to work very well if they are constantly haveing to upload gigabyte-sized files for students.

Hmm... well not system is going to 100% secure, and I find to be foolish to prevent the bulk of students from using a valuable research tool just to prevent a few trouble makers from uploading porn.

That brings up another point. Why not just ban specific students caught accessing pornsites from using google rather than the entire student body? And turn on safesearch as well so it is very unlikely a student will stumble upon a porn site by 'accident'. If one student gets really devious you could just either a ban them from accessing the internet at all, or delete their account full stop.

I agree, I guess I am just trying to correct the misconception that it is something that can be done at the system administrator level. In my experience it is far more likely some stupid directive passed down from school board level and about the only way they could reliably do it while complying with the directive.

So a bunch of idiots are stupid enough to abuse a tool, which then has to be banned by most schools offering under age kids internet access. And you are mad at the people having to do the blocking?

Yeah indeed, I mean, you can of course ban all traffic and destroy all roads to stop drunk driving, but it is just over the top and simply stupid!

Yeah indeed, I mean, you can of course ban all traffic and destroy all roads to stop drunk driving, but it is just over the top and simply stupid!

But even so people seem mad at the cops doing the blocking rather then the city or state making the decision to need to stop all drunk driving

But the way google images caches the images it makes it almost impossible to filter without blocking the site in its entirety.

You are right there are other places they could go but they got to start somewhere if it is required from above.

Sooo what if it's impossible to filter without blocking the site entirerly? Don't block it all all then since it's hardly a serious issue in schools.

Did you by you last sentence imply that they should block other sites to? First start off with google, then take on altavista, then yahoo , after yahoo msn...

I agree.

We've been in the same threads and you have not been fluffling me. You must pay the toll. :mad:

:fluffle:

Gladly, my cyber-gf.

:fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

I agree.

We've been in the same threads and you have not been fluffling me. You must pay the toll. :mad:

:fluffle:Sorry, was that toll or troll? I mean r is quite an easy letter to miss.

Anyway, sorry, but a toll is a toll, and a roll is a roll, and if I don't get no tolls, then I don't eat no rolls. Free cookie for anyone who gets the reference.

Sorry, was that toll or troll? I mean r is quite an easy letter to miss.

Anyway, sorry, but a toll is a toll, and a roll is a roll, and if I don't get no tolls, then I don't eat no rolls. Free cookie for anyone who gets the reference.

^^^ I'll have whatever he's having.

Gladly, my cyber-gf.

:fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle::fluffle:

Wait, cyber-gf? :confused: What?

Sorry, was that toll or troll? I mean r is quite an easy letter to miss.

Anyway, sorry, but a toll is a toll, and a roll is a roll, and if I don't get no tolls, then I don't eat no rolls. Free cookie for anyone who gets the reference.

That was "toll", you troll. :p :fluffle:

Gladly, my cyber-gf.

:fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

Like, Oh. My. God!
*gossips rampantly*
*mocks Johnny viciously*

Gladly, my cyber-gf.

:fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

just don't upset those she married to

Wow. Attentive faculty there. At one of the schools I went to, kids looked up porn during study hall. While the computer was facing the teacher.

I am not making this up.

:fluffle::fluffle:



That was "toll", you troll. :p :fluffle:How am I being trollish. I resent your slanderous lies, you tasty looking billy goat.

Yes...

How am I being trollish. I resent your slanderous lies, you tasty looking billy goat.

Yes...

I know you weren't being trollish... :p

:fluffle::fluffle:

Wait, cyber-gf? :confused: What?



That was "toll", you troll. :p :fluffle:

I didn't say I was taken by you in my sig and give you those fluffles for my health, ya know! :p :fluffle: :fluffle:

Like, Oh. My. God!
*gossips rampantly*
*mocks Johnny viciously*

Not too rampantly now!

just don't upset those she married to

I'll remember that. Besides, you've got that pet wolf.

I'll remember that. Besides, you've got that pet wolf.

an remember what i'm wearing at the pub too
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b308/1966Impala/M16.jpg