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RALEIGH -- Prosecutors dropped all charges Wednesday against the three Duke lacrosse players accused of sexually assaulting a stripper at a party, saying the athletes were innocent victims of a "tragic rush to accuse" by an overreaching district attorney.

"There were many points in the case where caution would have served justice better than bravado," North Carolina Attorney General Roy Cooper said in a damning assessment of Durham County District Mike Nifong's handling of the sensational case.

Cooper, who took over the case in January after Nifong was charged with ethics violations that could get him disbarred, said his own investigation "led us to the conclusion that no attack occurred."

"I think a lot of people owe a lot of apologies to a lot of people," Cooper said. "I think those people ought to consider doing that."

Reade Seligmann, Collin Finnerty and David Evans were indicted last spring on charges of rape, kidnapping and sexual offense after the woman told police she was assaulted in the bathroom at an off-campus house during a team party where she had been hired to perform

But the attorney general said the eyewitness identification procedures were unreliable, no DNA supported the woman's story, no other witness corroborated it, and the woman contradicted herself.

"Based on the significant inconsistencies between the evidence and the various accounts given by the accusing witness, we believe these three individuals are innocent of these charges," Cooper said.

He said the charges resulted from a "tragic rush to accuse and a failure to verify serious allegations."

However, Cooper said no charges will be brought against the accuser, saying she "may actually believe" the many different versions of the stories she has told. "We believe it is in the best interest of justice not to bring charges," he said.

Cooper called for the passage of a state law that would allow the North Carolina Supreme Court to remove a prosecutor "who needs to step away from a case where justice demands."

"This case shows the enormous consequences of overreaching by a prosecutor," he said.

http://www.news14charlotte.com/content/top_stories/default.asp?ArID=136569

Finally, all charges against the three lacrosse players has been dropped. This sham of a case has ended, and Niflong will be facing charges and hopefully his status as a lawyer in any capacity will be stripped.

Now, the part that I bolded and Underlined, I do not agree with. This stupid woman dragged three innocent men through the mud, probably for her own twisted and perverted reasons, and she committed perjury as well as obstruction to justice, she should face charges and be punished to the full extent of the law. If I was one of the Duke players, I would charge her with everything I could.

http://www.news14charlotte.com/content/top_stories/default.asp?ArID=136569

Finally, all charges against the three lacrosse players has been dropped. This sham of a case has ended, and Niflong will be facing charges and hopefully his status as a lawyer in any capacity will be stripped.

Now, the part that I bolded and Underlined, I do not agree with. This stupid woman dragged three innocent men through the mud, probably for her own twisted and perverted reasons, and she committed perjury as well as obstruction to justice, she should face charges and be punished to the full extent of the law. If I was one of the Duke players, I would charge her with everything I could.

So you accept North Carolina Attorney General Roy Cooper's judgment as to whether charges should proceed against the lacrosse players, but not as to whether charges should proceed against the woman. How convenient.

http://www.news14charlotte.com/content/top_stories/default.asp?ArID=136569

Finally, all charges against the three lacrosse players has been dropped. This sham of a case has ended, and Niflong will be facing charges and hopefully his status as a lawyer in any capacity will be stripped.

Now, the part that I bolded and Underlined, I do not agree with. This stupid woman dragged three innocent men through the mud, probably for her own twisted and perverted reasons, and she committed perjury as well as obstruction to justice, she should face charges and be punished to the full extent of the law. If I was one of the Duke players, I would charge her with everything I could.

Well they're probably quite sick of legal proceedings now; perhaps they have no desire to go through it all again.

So you accept North Carolina Attorney General Roy Cooper's judgment as to whether charges should proceed against the lacrosse players, but not as to whether charges should proceed against the woman. How convenient.

Look, if this has happened to me, and if some woman decided to charge me with raping, kidnapping and God who knows what else, and I was innocence. It wouldn't be enough for me to have all the charges clear, the damage has already been done. For the rest of these three players lives, they will be remembered as the guy who were accused of rape and kidnapping, that kind of stain does not wash off easily. If I was in their shoe, I would sue the woman, and make it stick, and make sure she did the maximum punishment.

However, Cooper said no charges will be brought against the accuser, saying she "may actually believe" the many different versions of the stories she has told. "We believe it is in the best interest of justice not to bring charges," he said.


Kind of shows how you have to be crazy to fake being raped.

So you accept North Carolina Attorney General Roy Cooper's judgment as to whether charges should proceed against the lacrosse players, but not as to whether charges should proceed against the woman. How convenient.

He's not being sexist, if that's what you're supposed to be implying.

The Lacrosse players are innocent. The women, whilst innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, is eligible to be charged with a crime, it seems. Namely perjury amongst other things.

However, I think they ought to just leave her. They shouldn't keep dragging this through the mud.

Look, if this has happened to me, and if some woman decided to charge me with raping, kidnapping and God who knows what else, and I was innocence. It wouldn't be enough for me to have all the charges clear, the damage has already been done. For the rest of these three players lives, they will be remembered as the guy who were accused of rape and kidnapping, that kind of stain does not wash off easily. If I was in their shoe, I would sue the woman, and make it stick, and make sure she did the maximum punishment.

You have some fundamental misunderstandings regarding the US judicial system. I haven't got the patience to correct them all.

Let me correct just one: the players could possibly sue the woman, but that would be a civil suit for money and not the same as criminal charges that would result in jail time.

You have some fundamental misunderstandings regarding the US judicial system. I haven't got the patience to correct them all.

Let me correct just one: the players could possibly sue the woman, but that would be a civil suit for money and not the same as criminal charges that would result in jail time.

Whatever, she needs to be punished for her transaction.

He's not being sexist, if that's what you're supposed to be implying.

The Lacrosse players are innocent. The women, whilst innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, is eligible to be charged with a crime, it seems. Namely perjury amongst other things.

However, I think they ought to just leave her. They shouldn't keep dragging this through the mud.

You are correct that both the Lacrosse players and the woman are presumptively innocent. After that, your analysis breaks down.

Whatever, she needs to be punished for her transaction.

...don't you mean "transgression?"

Maybe you shouldn't be so quick to judge people as "this stupid woman." Glass houses, etc.

You are correct that both the Lacrosse players and the woman are presumptively innocent. After that, your analysis breaks down.

The Lacrosse players are not "presumptively" innocent. They are innocent.

...don't you mean "transgression?"

Maybe you shouldn't be so quick to judge people as "this stupid woman." Glass houses, etc.

I'd like to see how you handle having "Accused of rape" hanging over your head for the rest of your life.

Whatever, she needs to be punished for her transgression.

Fixed. ;)

The Lacrosse players are not "presumptively" innocent. They are innocent.

Yes, but, hypothetically, if they were guilty, they would be innocent until proven otherwise. It's the same with the woman here, she's innocent until someone proves otherwise.

I'd like to see how you handle having "Accused of rape" hanging over your head for the rest of your life.

I'm sure you would. However, that's not relevant to anything I said.

I'm sure you would. However, that's not relevant to anything I said.

The point is, the boys do deserve some justice, and the woman should be taught that lying, and dragging innocent men through the mud is wrong, and is punishable by law.

You are correct that both the Lacrosse players and the woman are presumptively innocent. After that, your analysis breaks down.

Is lying under oath not a crime?

You are correct that both the Lacrosse players and the woman are presumptively innocent. After that, your analysis breaks down.

So you deny she may have commited perjury or any other crime?

Is lying under oath not a crime?

It is.

While I agree that this twat should be charged with perjury and defamation and any related other variants, I think it should be noted, that they are probably taking the cautious approach because they don't want to scare off women who have a legitimate rape charge to levy against their attacker.

It's a delicate situation because you want to make the point that making up fake stories about rape can't go unpunished, while you don't want to make it seem like the woman will be automatically brushed aside because she was raped.

What do you think they should do then?

While I agree that this twat should be charged with perjury and defamation and any related other variants, I think it should be noted, that they are probably taking the cautious approach because they don't want to scare off women who have a legitimate rape charge to levy against their attacker.

It's a delicate situation because you want to make the point that making up fake stories about rape can't go unpunished, while you don't want to make it seem like the woman will be automatically brushed aside because she was raped.

...they don't want to scare off women who have a legitimate rape charge to levy against their attacker.

It's a delicate situation because you want to make the point that making up fake stories about rape can't go unpunished, while you don't want to make it seem like the woman will be automatically brushed aside because she was raped.

QFT. It's a tricky situation when something like this comes up. Women seem to be quite reluctant to press rape charges against attackers in the first place. You don't want women to be afraid that in an unfortunate turn of events, they can be sued.

The point is, the boys do deserve some justice

Like, for example, the charges being dropped.

Oh wait, you want more than justice.

, and the woman should be taught

You want to teach women a lesson.

that lying

North Carolina Attorney General Roy Cooper seems to disagree that it was a lie.

and dragging innocent men through the mud is wrong, and is punishable by law.

Bringing legal charges against someone is punishable by law?

And wrong?

Pretty clear to me where you stand: you want to teach "stupid women" a "lesson," with that "lesson" being "never report rape and don't try to drag innocent men through the mud with your whining immorality."

What do you think they should do then?

They should charge her as needed but make it VERY clear that it was because she lied and defamed innocent people with a lie that she is being charged. The prosecuting attorney should put the emphasis on the perjury element and not the original charge she laid so it is apparent that she did lie and it doesn't matter what she lied under oath about.

Is lying under oath not a crime?

Again, some fundamental points about our judicial system:

There is a difference between giving false testimony and willfully lying under oath.

There is also a difference between giving testimony that is not believed and giving false testimony or lying under oath.

An accused rapist can be innocent without his/her alleged victim being a liar or guilty of any crime.

The presumption of innocence applies to everyone until they are proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a fair trial.

Pretty clear to me where you stand: you want to teach "stupid women" a "lesson," with that "lesson" being "never report rape and don't try to drag innocent men through the mud with your whining immorality."

Whoa, whoa, where the hell did you get that? Jeez, even Evil Knievel couldn't make that leap of logic! Thank you for using the 'splice together' method. You know, you take several things that I say out of context, and mix them together to form your own conclusion that is based on nothing of what I said.

The woman accused the three players of rape, kidnapping and other charges.

DNA evidence and other evidence such as eyewitnesses do not collebrate with her stories.

She has changed her story many a time.

Since none of the evidence matches up with her story, and since her story keeps on changing by such a large degree, that she cannot be trusted.

As a result, the DA has found that the charges are false and thus are dropped.

However, if the charges are false, then that means that this woman, this twat, has lied under oath!

That means that this woman has commited perjury, and slander against the players and should be brought up on those charges as well as others that may be included! Hell, even the fact that she keeps on changing her story could be seen as Obstruction of Justice!

I honestly wouldn't bother w/ the woman. A civil suit against her would gain nothing.

I personally would go after Nifong specifically and the DA's office in general for allowing this to go on as long as it did even w/ the case unraveling under Nifong's feet.

I honestly wouldn't bother w/ the woman. A civil suit against her would gain nothing.

I personally would go after Nifong specifically and the DA's office in general for allowing this to go on as long as it did even w/ the case unraveling under Nifong's feet.

Eh, this case happened during an election season, so we can all see why Niflong kept on pushing this. I mean you have a poor black woman who's stripping to get through college, and she's "Raped" by three rich white guys. It's pretty obvious that Niflong was using the situation to further his own political career. He's an opportunist, like Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson.

Again, some fundamental points about our judicial system:

There is a difference between giving false testimony and willfully lying under oath.

There is also a difference between giving testimony that is not believed and giving false testimony or lying under oath.

An accused rapist can be innocent without his/her alleged victim being a liar or guilty of any crime.

The presumption of innocence applies to everyone until they are proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a fair trial.

Whilst that is true, as Wilgrove has said, surely the fact that she has changed her story so many times, dragged on this farce of a trial for so long and muddied the Lacrosse players names in the process, even if she can't be charged for perjury (I think I would have to look through too many transcripts to come to a conclusion on that) there are surely grounds for charges of obstruction of justice and/or defamation?

Whoa, whoa, where the hell did you get that? Jeez, even Evil Knievel couldn't make that leap of logic! Thank you for using the 'splice together' method. You know, you take several things that I say out of context, and mix them together to form your own conclusion that is based on nothing of what I said.

The woman accused the three players of rape, kidnapping and other charges.

DNA evidence and other evidence such as eyewitnesses do not collebrate with her stories.

She has changed her story many a time.

Since none of the evidence matches up with her story, and since her story keeps on changing by such a large degree, that she cannot be trusted.

As a result, the DA has found that the charges are false and thus are dropped.

The DA also has found that there is no basis for charges against the woman, but you conveniently overlook that.

However, if the charges are false, then that means that this woman, this twat, has lied under oath!

Nope. Not true. The charges may be false without the woman being guilty of anything.

And calling her a twat doesn't help your point and is insulting.

That means that this woman has commited perjury, and slander against the players and should be brought up on those charges as well as others that may be included! Hell, even the fact that she keeps on changing her story could be seen as Obstruction of Justice!

You clearly have no idea what the terms "perjury," "slander," or "obstruction of justice" mean.

And, again, the same person whose judgement you are taking as final on the issue of whether the Lacrosse players should face charges also has said the woman shouldn't face charges.

Eh, this case happened during an election season, so we can all see why Niflong kept on pushing this. I mean you have a poor black woman who's stripping to get through college, and she's "Raped" by three rich white guys. It's pretty obvious that Niflong was using the situation to further his own political career. He's an opportunist, like Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson.

Even more of a reason. If they could present evidence that he used his authority for personal gain, it would be another plus for the case.

Let me ask you something "The Cat Tribe", do you really think that this is the first time this woman has done this? Oooo Hell no, shes actually brought up false rape charges before, back when she was 14, she accused men of raping her and the same situation happened again. The charges were dropped and she wasn't charged. Tell me, how many more time must this twat 'cry wolf' before you're willing to say "Ok, she needs to be brought up on charges"?

Let me ask you something "The Cat Tribe", do you really think that this is the first time this woman has done this? Oooo Hell no, shes actually brought up false rape charges before, back when she was 14, she accused men of raping her and the same situation happened again. The charges were dropped and she wasn't charged. Tell me, how many more time must this twat 'cry wolf' before you're willing to say "Ok, she needs to be brought up on charges"?Actually, the fact that this has happened before is among the best evidence against any kind of perjury charge.

That this has happened before--and at the young age of 14 no less--strongly suggests that we are dealing with a very troubled woman. Indeed, chances are that at some point in her childhood she really was sexually abused.

She exhibits all the signs of a trauma survivor. That she keeps re-living that trauma in the present is a cause for sympathy, not accusations.

As already noted, it is possible that she really believes her own stories. It is possible (perhaps likely) that something happened that night that sent her into a post-traumatic episode in which she imagined that she was being raped.


Any "crime" here belongs to the prosecutor who aggressively pursued a case for which there was no reliable evidence. He should have declined to pursue the woman's case and he should have recommended that she seek counseling.

Putting her through further abuse is not going to help anyone.

And as for the civil solution, good luck collecting any money from a woman already struggling to support herself.

Let's see: The woman strips for a living, so it's not like she'll pay anything. The woman is seen as crazy, fragile, etc, so that would tarnish some more the image of the players. And the woman seems not to have all that much control of her actions.

The prosecutor, however, has money to spare. He did that in an election year. Suing him would be seen under either a neutral or a good light. And he prosecuted them on no evidence willfully.

I'd sue the prosecutor and strive to make him BEG for death.

Give Nifong a break. George Tenet told him the prosecution would be a "slam dunk."

Is lying under oath not a crime?

Not by itself, no. Perjury is not the same as lying under oath. There are a number of other qualifications.

Look, if this has happened to me, and if some woman decided to charge me with raping, kidnapping and God who knows what else, and I was innocence. It wouldn't be enough for me to have all the charges clear, the damage has already been done. For the rest of these three players lives, they will be remembered as the guy who were accused of rape and kidnapping, that kind of stain does not wash off easily. If I was in their shoe, I would sue the woman, and make it stick, and make sure she did the maximum punishment.

"Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, thy shall be done on Earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who have trespassed against us, and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. For the kingdom and the power and the glory are yours, now and forever. Amen."

Awfully Christian of you.

"Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, thy shall be done on Earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who have trespassed against us, and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. For the kingdom and the power and the glory are yours, now and forever. Amen."

Awfully Christian of you.

Forgiveness does not mean that she is free from punishment.

the blame in this case is 95% on nifong and 5% on the woman.

yeah she made an accusation. maybe she believed it, maybe it was a flat out lie. if nifong had done ANY reasonable work on the case, it never would have gone so far as to have any of those guys charged.

HE ignored evidence. HE never personally interviewed the accuser. HE hid exculpatory evidence. HE set up a photo lineup that included only lacrosse players. HE ignored iron clad alibi evidence that at least 2 of the guys had.

these men would have never had to hire a lawyer if nifong hadnt tried to railroad them. no one would ever have associated them with rape charges.

"Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, thy shall be done on Earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who have trespassed against us, and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. For the kingdom and the power and the glory are yours, now and forever. Amen."

Awfully Christian of you.

I'm not Christian, so I can say that I'd sue the prosecutor even if I merely belonged to the university - for diminishing the value of my diploma and for any AND ALL ill effects I suffered due to this nutcase's actions. And I'd recommend everyone I knew do the same - if only so I could see this prosecutor's misery and watch him live a life in which he wouldn't be able to ever sleep again for daring to attack me.

Wilgrove, please read this paragraph:
Statements of interpretation of fact are not perjury because people often make inaccurate statements unwittingly and not deliberately. Individuals may have honest but mistaken beliefs about certain facts or their recollection may be inaccurate. Like most other crimes in the common law system, to be convicted of perjury you have to have had the mens rea to commit the act, and to have actually committed the actus reus.

However, if the charges are false, then that means that this woman, this twat, has lied under oath!No, she could just have been wrong.

The point is, the boys do deserve some justice, and the woman should be taught that lying, and dragging innocent men through the mud is wrong, and is punishable by law.

I agree completely, one of the first times here on NS (congrats :fluffle:)

But, remember, she's black, and these lacrosse players are white -rich, white guys no less. Some civil rights wacko like Al Sharpton would probably come along to try and "save" her while simultaneously continuing to ruin these boys' lives (anyone remember Tawana Brawley?).

I agree completely, one of the first times here on NS (congrats :fluffle:)

But, remember, she's black, and these lacrosse players are white -rich, white guys no less. Some civil rights wacko like Al Sharpton would probably come along to try and "save" her while simultaneously continuing to ruin these boys' lives (anyone remember Tawana Brawley?).

Al Sharpton already involved himself in this, apparently he did not learn from the Tawana Brawley hoax.

Look, if this has happened to me, and if some woman decided to charge me with raping, kidnapping and God who knows what else, and I was innocence. It wouldn't be enough for me to have all the charges clear, the damage has already been done. For the rest of these three players lives, they will be remembered as the guy who were accused of rape and kidnapping, that kind of stain does not wash off easily. If I was in their shoe, I would sue the woman, and make it stick, and make sure she did the maximum punishment.

How much money do you think this woman has?

How much money do you think this woman has?

Which is why I'd go after the prosecutor. He has money, he's unsympathetic to the media and he's mostly to blame, so I could have fun turning his life into a nightmare and destroying everything he worked to get slowly, also calling in more people to sue him and make his life an inescapable dystopia. I'd pay an extra five grand to the person that manages to torment him enough to make him attempt suicide.

I'd like to see how you handle having "Accused of rape" hanging over your head for the rest of your life.

Do you think perhaps they might consider it in their best interests to drop it so that they don't need to have their names dragged through the media further?

Let me ask you something "The Cat Tribe", do you really think that this is the first time this woman has done this? Oooo Hell no, shes actually brought up false rape charges before, back when she was 14, she accused men of raping her and the same situation happened again. The charges were dropped and she wasn't charged. Tell me, how many more time must this twat 'cry wolf' before you're willing to say "Ok, she needs to be brought up on charges"?

Could you POSSIBLY stop using the word twat? It's a pretty degrading way to refer to a woman.

Forgiveness does not mean that she is free from punishment.

Judge not, lest ye be judged.

Could you POSSIBLY stop using the word twat? It's a pretty degrading way to refer to a woman.

Thanks for weighing in on that one, Kat. I agree.

Do you think perhaps they might consider it in their best interests to drop it so that they don't need to have their names dragged through the media further?

Yea, but now the only people who will do it if they counter sue are people like Sharpton and Jackson who will stand and say that the three ebil white man are attacking this poor black woman, despite the fact that she changed her story several times and was probably looking for a quick buck.

Could you POSSIBLY stop using the word twat? It's a pretty degrading way to refer to a woman.

Fine, I'll just uses opportunist

Judge not, lest ye be judged.

So should we just empty out our jails Kat? Should we just let all the criminals go and run free? I mean after all Judge not, lest ye be judged.

You know, I wonder whats the response would be if things are vice versa. Would we still all be saying "Oh let them go" and "Judge Not Wilgrove, Judge not!"

I know one thing for certain, no matter who the person is, if that person did what this woman has done, I would still be calling for them to be sued and brought to trail. I don't care if it's a black woman, white guy, or an Arab Hermaphrodite. (Google it)

Al Sharpton already involved himself in this, apparently he did not learn from the Tawana Brawley hoax.

Really? I hadn't heard anything from him yet. I expect he isn't in deep enough to tarnish his reputation (again). So what has he done this time?

Yea, but now the only people who will do it if they counter sue are people like Sharpton and Jackson who will stand and say that the three ebil white man are attacking this poor black woman, despite the fact that she changed her story several times and was probably looking for a quick buck.



Fine, I'll just uses opportunist



So should we just empty out our jails Kat? Should we just let all the criminals go and run free? I mean after all Judge not, lest ye be judged.

You know, I wonder whats the response would be if things are vice versa. Would we still all be saying "Oh let them go" and "Judge Not Wilgrove, Judge not!"

I know one thing for certain, no matter who the person is, if that person did what this woman has done, I would still be calling for them to be sued and brought to trail. I don't care if it's a black woman, white guy, or an Arab Hermaphrodite. (Google it)

You'd sue her for money she doesn't have (thus won't pay) and get Sharpton on your ass. Much easier to make the prosecutor suffer.

Have you even been reading the responses to you?

You'd sue her for money she doesn't have (thus won't pay) and get Sharpton on your ass. Much easier to make the prosecutor suffer.

and yet, five years down the road, she pulls the same thing again, accuse people of rape again, take the entire court system for a ride again, change her story a billion times again, and next time, the charges may actually stick, and whoever she indicts the next time, reputation will be ruined, and she'll make off with a quick buck if the defense decides to settle out of court. No I am not guessing, like I said, This is not the first time she's done this!

Yea, she's an upstanding citizen. Yea, let's just let her go without any punishment at all, I mean afterall, I'm sure she won't do this again. :rolleyes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_Gail_Mangum#Criminal_history_and_credibility

This is an intresting one.

She had made a similar claim in the past which she did not pursue. "On Aug. 18, 1996, the dancer - then 18 years old - told a police officer in Creedmoor she had been raped by three men in June 1993, according to a police document. She did not pursue the allegations. The officer who took the woman's report 10 years ago asked her to write a detailed timeline of the night's events and bring the account back to the police. "Apparently she never returned," Granville County DA Sam Currin said."[26]

The accuser told authorities that in 1998, her husband threatened to kill her. However, she did not appear at the court hearing and thus the charges were dropped.[27]

In 2002, she stole a taxi from a man to whom she was giving a lap dance. A high speed chase then ensued, and when the deputy chasing her approached the stolen taxi on foot, she tried to run over him. She pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charges of larceny, speeding to elude arrest, assault on a government official and driving while impaired. She was sentenced to 3 weekends in detention.[20][21

But, like Kat says, we should not Judge! Give me a break...

I know one thing for certain, no matter who the person is, if that person did what this woman has done, I would still be calling for them to be sued and brought to trail. I don't care if it's a black woman, white guy, or an Arab Hermaphrodite. (Google it)

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and yet, five years down the road, she pulls the same thing again, accuse people of rape again, take the entire court system for a ride again, change her story a billion times again, and next time, the charges may actually stick, and whoever she indicts the next time, reputation will be ruined, and she'll make off with a quick buck if the defense decides to settle out of court. No I am not guessing, like I said, This is not the first time she's done this!

I think the whole world is on to her... I think that maybe we can Google this matter for the rest of our lives and say, "Oh, looky. It's her. Maybe we should get her some help because she needs it."

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I meant the word Hermaphrodite only.

I think the whole world is on to her... I think that maybe we can Google this matter for the rest of our lives and say, "Oh, looky. It's her. Maybe we should get her some help because she needs it."

She def. need help, but she also needs a 'slap to the face' more or less. (Not an actual slap mind you).

I find it ridiculous that they had to stop a show to broadcast this announcement. I don't watch the show, but still.

She def. need help, but she also needs a 'slap to the face' more or less. (Not an actual slap mind you).

So, isn't that where this discussion ends? Get her some help, let these guys get on with their lives, let us get on with ours so it will stop taking up valuable newspaper space and fade to black.

and yet, five years down the road, she pulls the same thing again, accuse people of rape again, take the entire court system for a ride again, change her story a billion times again, and next time, the charges may actually stick, and whoever she indicts the next time, reputation will be ruined, and she'll make off with a quick buck if the defense decides to settle out of court. No I am not guessing, like I said, This is not the first time she's done this!

Then let the state do it. There's nothing to be gained from prosecuting her, from the point of view of the athletes. And, if she can cause damage with her absurd claims, this prosecutor may cause much more, by accepting the claims of other nutcases for political points.

Yea, but now the only people who will do it if they counter sue are people like Sharpton and Jackson who will stand and say that the three ebil white man are attacking this poor black woman, despite the fact that she changed her story several times and was probably looking for a quick buck.



Fine, I'll just uses opportunist



So should we just empty out our jails Kat? Should we just let all the criminals go and run free? I mean after all Judge not, lest ye be judged.

You know, I wonder whats the response would be if things are vice versa. Would we still all be saying "Oh let them go" and "Judge Not Wilgrove, Judge not!"

I know one thing for certain, no matter who the person is, if that person did what this woman has done, I would still be calling for them to be sued and brought to trail. I don't care if it's a black woman, white guy, or an Arab Hermaphrodite. (Google it)

Don't be ridiculously hyperbolic; of course we should not empty the jails. You're denigrating this woman, calling her a twat, and demanding that we utterly destroy her when the attorney general of the state this case took place in has said he's not charging her. From the way you're reacting, it looks like it's a personal grievance and that you are outraged about her morality.

If she needs punishment on this earth the legal system will take care of it; if she needs punishment from a higher moral authority, ain't none of us it.

Here's another one: let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

And wrath is a deadly sin, btw.

In regards to the charges being twice dropped because she did not appear in court: that does NOT mean definitively that she was lying. It means that for whatever reason (which could have been intimidation, humiliation, and the recognition that many victims of sexual assault have their histories dragged through the mud) she may have changed her mind and not shown up.

I'll grant it doesn't look good, but it is NOT AN ADMISSION OF GUILT.

And wrath is a deadly sin, btw.

In his defense, I was more colorful in my description of what to do with the prosecutor than he was in his description of what to do with the nut case girl. :p

In his defense, I was more colorful in my description of what to do with the prosecutor than he was in his description of what to do with the nut case girl. :p

Well, read through the whole thread and see what strikes you most -- your post or the entire tenor of the thread.

Well, read through the whole thread and see what strikes you most -- your post or the entire tenor of the thread.

Not asking for mod action or anything, just pointing it out. Regardless, I DO favor getting the stripper committed somewhere (if she's insane) or in prison (if she's not). However, it's not in the interests of the athletes to do it, so I still say the STATE should.

People should remember that many people, probably most, who remember the trial will forget about the charges being dropped. The media rushed to convict the evil, racist rapists on day one. To many people, this will just be yet another OJ where a possibly guilty man gets away scott free. Do you think the media cares about these three boys/men or the accuser? No. The media is busy worshipping their god. A god called the Almighty Dollar. Their holy book is their checkbook. Their holy symbol is an S with one or two lines going through it or whatever currency you use.

People are idiots. today's high-speed world is making democracy outdated because it's harder to tell fact from fiction; truth from rumor. Everything's instant, making it hard to have an informed voting population. Lives will get ruined for ratings and "social justice". White people will be hounded for crimes committed by people they aren't related to. Black people will get killed in revenge shootings. Mexicans in the cross fire. It will be like Iraq, only not nearly as long or arab.

Whoa, whoa, where the hell did you get that? Jeez, even Evil Knievel couldn't make that leap of logic! Thank you for using the 'splice together' method. You know, you take several things that I say out of context, and mix them together to form your own conclusion that is based on nothing of what I said.

I'm just throwing it out there as a possibility, and then stating it as fact.

I figured you would have no problem with that... since you do it to the "stupid woman" yourself. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, grasshopper.


However, if the charges are false, then that means that this woman, this twat, has lied under oath!

Utter nonsense. And your insistance on using words like "twat" shows a misogyny which leads me to believe one of two things.

1) You just hate women.

or

2) Your loyalty to this game and/or team has blinded you so much you just hate women who would dare impugn the honour of the objects of your adoration.

That means that this woman has commited perjury, and slander against the players and should be brought up on those charges as well as others that may be included! Hell, even the fact that she keeps on changing her story could be seen as Obstruction of Justice!

I think I'll rely on The Cat-Tribe, a lawyer, for the legal interpretations on this one rather than you. No offense, but you don't seem to know what you're talking about.

Justice isnt served until the prosecutor is flipping burgers for a living and the dirty, lying, filthy slut who lied about being raped is in prison.

Justice isnt served until the prosecutor is flipping burgers for a living and the dirty, lying, filthy slut who lied about being raped is in prison.

I agree. She needs to be put in prison for her crime. Let's teach her a lesson on what will happen when you report false rape accusation because you want to make a quick buck.

Let's also strip Niflong everything that he has until he is forced to live in Public Housing and is flipping burgers for Burger King. Let's teach him what happens when you abuse your power as an attorney to further your own political career.

Both of these people are opportunist and they need to learn what happen when you try to screw innocence people over.

I agree. She needs to be put in prison for her crime. Let's teach her a lesson on what will happen when you report false rape accusation because you want to make a quick buck.

Let's also strip Niflong everything that he has until he is forced to live in Public Housing and is flipping burgers for Burger King. Let's teach him what happens when you abuse your power as an attorney to further your own political career.

Both of these people are opportunist and they need to learn what happen when you try to screw innocence people over.

I'm still of the opinion that the woman is insane, and should, thus, be committed, rather than jailed. But that is not for the boys to do, that is for the government to do.

As for Niflong, getting him sued by just about everyone on that city would work well, and make his life Hell until it ended (or he decided to end it).

Utter nonsense. And your insistance on using words like "twat" shows a misogyny which leads me to believe one of two things.

1) You just hate women.

or

2) Your loyalty to this game and/or team has blinded you so much you just hate women who would dare impugn the honour of the objects of your adoration.

3) He may have a personal issue or a past with false accusations himself.

4) He may be a mere student of the university that got called a rapist for wearing the shirt of the place in a bar.

5) He may be related to the coach that had to leave over the scandal, only to find out the woman was nuts (or digging for gold, or both).

6 and on) SEVERAL other decent reasons, if personal ones, to despise the woman.

Now, boys, kindly play nicer...

3) He may have a personal issue with false accusations himself.

4) He may be a mere student of the university that got called a rapist for wearing the shirt of the place in a bar.

5) He may be related to the coach that had to leave over the scandal.

6 and on) SEVERAL other decent reasons, if personal ones, to despise the woman.

Now, boys, kindly play nicer...

The reason I feel....passionate about this, is that I know what it like to be accused for something that you did not do, and to have everyone believe the accuser until the very end when the accuser is exposed as a liar who has a personal vendetta or something to gain from this false accusation.

I believe that if you commit a transgression against your fellow man, your fellow man may forgive you, but it doesn't excuse you from the rightful punishment for that transgression.

http://www.news14charlotte.com/content/top_stories/default.asp?ArID=136569

Finally, all charges against the three lacrosse players has been dropped. This sham of a case has ended, and Niflong will be facing charges and hopefully his status as a lawyer in any capacity will be stripped.

Now, the part that I bolded and Underlined, I do not agree with. This stupid woman dragged three innocent men through the mud, probably for her own twisted and perverted reasons, and she committed perjury as well as obstruction to justice, she should face charges and be punished to the full extent of the law. If I was one of the Duke players, I would charge her with everything I could.

I think the families will, at the very least, open up a civil suit against her and she deserves every single bit of it. At first I thought, wow this is bad but as time went by and her story kept changing and evidence kept falling through I began to see her as a liar and I'm glad these three guys are getting their innocence restored to them, it just sucks though that regardless of the outcome they've got this over their heads forever.

I think the families will, at the very least, open up a civil suit against her and she deserves every single bit of it. At first I thought, wow this is bad but as time went by and her story kept changing and evidence kept falling through I began to see her as a liar and I'm glad these three guys are getting their innocence restored to them, it just sucks though that regardless of the outcome they've got this over their heads forever.

The families and the guys stand to gain nothing from it, and to have their names dragged through mud further. The "rape victim" is still sympathetic to the audience, if only because she's nuts. The prosecutor, however, is viewed badly by everyone and HAS money.

The reason I feel....passionate about this, is that I know what it like to be accused for something that you did not do, and to have everyone believe the accuser until the very end when the accuser is exposed as a liar who has a personal vendetta or something to gain from this false accusation.

I believe that if you commit a transgression against your fellow man, your fellow man may forgive you, but it doesn't excuse you from the rightful punishment for that transgression.

There are better ways to screw her over. They could hire a ghostwriter to write the story of the three innocent boys the nutcase tried to prosecute for rape. It would sell and give them money for it, it would drag only HER name through mud and they could choose the spin they wanted to.

The families and the guys stand to gain nothing from it, and to have their names dragged through mud further. The "rape victim" is still sympathetic to the audience, if only because she's nuts. The prosecutor, however, is viewed badly by everyone and HAS money.

I'm not sympathetic to her, and I know alot of people who aren't either. Trust me, today, this announcement was broadcast on every channel possible, so the only people who are still sympathetic to her are people who are ignorance of the facts, or have personalities like Sharpton and Jackson, you know, the woman is still innocence, and the three players are ebil white guys with money!

The families and the guys stand to gain nothing from it, and to have their names dragged through mud further. The "rape victim" is still sympathetic to the audience, if only because she's nuts. The prosecutor, however, is viewed badly by everyone and HAS money.

Let the shitty whore think about what she did for five or six years in prison.

Everyone is missing the big picture. If the Duke players are innocent, then we must begin the search for the real rapists!

Let the shitty whore think about what she did for five or six years in prison.

A lawsuit against her would STILL drag their names through the mud. They stand to gain by suing the prosecutor and writing about the woman, not the other way around.

Everyone is missing the big picture. If the Duke players are innocent, then we must begin the search for the real rapists!

WAS THERE a rape?

Evidently, this woman was lying. But what concerns me is that people are advocating such harsh measures against the woman because the boys were found "not guilty" (which is not the same as innocent, btw). What will happen the next time a woman accuses men of rape, and they are found not guilty, because they have better lawyers, or she gets a conservative jury? Are we going to advocate that she be charged for perjury and thrown in jail to teach her a lesson?

As to Wilgrove's justification for his misogyny: I have a friend who was falsely accused of rape. He went to prison for it. By rights, I have more reason to be angry than most at women who "make up stories". But I'm not. As far as I am concerned, this woman needs help.

Has it occurred to you, that if she accused someone at 14, that perhaps she was telling the truth and was simply not believed? That perhaps this traumatised her, or made her jaded and angry?

WAS THERE a rape?Who knows?

If we look at ALL the evidence, there is more here than just one woman's rambling, inconsistent word against the word of the Duke Lacrosse players. Remember that there is also a neighbor who witnessed the boys coax the stripper back into their house after she and her partner had left, fearful of the boys' excited, aggressive demeanor. The neighbor (whose credibility, to my knowledge, no one has seriously questioned) testified that he heard one of the boys repeating urgently, "Guys, let's go."

The neighbor also testified that when the stripper returned to the car, the two sped off, and one of the players shouted, "Hey bitch, thank your grandpa for my nice cotton shirt!"

In any case, they don't sound like "nice" guys. Many of them had been in trouble before, they had a reputation for rowdiness, and a neighbor testified to one of them shouting a nasty racist remark at this woman.

What happened in there during the minutes that her friend waited in the car? Clearly we'll never know. She was treated later for injuries consistent with sexual assault, and according to one version of her ever-changing story the players may have assaulted her with a broom--leaving no DNA, of course.

What we do know with some certainty is that this woman is a deeply troubled woman, probably suffering from one or more mental illnesses. Given the physical evidence, she may have been assaulted by someone that night--or she managed to rip apart her own vagina and tear off her own fingernails in the players' bathroom, which is extremely disturbing... but again, more indicative of severe mental illness than an "opportunistic" or malicious intent.

This is no case for criminal charges. Whatever her reasons for telling stories that didn't pan out--whether she believed them or not--her behavior should elicit more sympathy than anger. Moreover, there is little sense in a civil case: she obviously doesn't have the money to pay, and what she does have should be going to support her children, not wealthy Duke University students.

Again, the legal fault here rests squarely on Nifong. Any further legal action should be taken against him, and against him alone.

The NC attorney general made a point of saying that not only were these young men not guilty, but that they were innocent. Looking for a cite...

http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/national/BO48789/


RALEIGH, N.C. -- Nearly a year after calling the rape accusations he and two Duke lacrosse teammates faced nothing but "fantastic lies," David Evans again stood before the cameras and proclaimed his innocence.

This time, there was no room for doubt.

A few hours earlier, North Carolina Attorney General Roy Cooper hadn't just dismissed all the remaining criminal charges against Evans, Reade Seligmann and Collin Finnerty. He took the extra step of declaring the players innocent -- the victims of a "tragic rush to accuse" by a rogue prosecutor who could be disbarred for his actions.

Evidently, this woman was lying. But what concerns me is that people are advocating such harsh measures against the woman because the boys were found "not guilty" (which is not the same as innocent, btw). <snippage of an excellent point to be a pain in the arse>

The NC attorney general made a point of saying that not only were these young men not guilty, but that they were innocent.

Here we go:

North Carolina Attorney General Roy Cooper didn’t just dismiss all the remaining criminal charges against Evans, Reade Seligmann and Collin Finnerty. He took the extra step of declaring the players innocent — the victims of a “tragic rush to accuse” by a rogue prosecutor who could be disbarred for his actions.

From the second paragraph of:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18046103/

The NC attorney general made a point of saying that not only were these young men not guilty, but that they were innocent. Looking for a cite...


Well, I didn't know that. This case hasn't made an impact in the backwater of Downunder. I only know about it from links posted here on NSG.

And I made an excellent point?! w00t!!! You are entitled to be a pain in the arse to me just for that!:fluffle:

P.S. Thanks for the link.

Well, I didn't know that. This case hasn't made an impact in the backwater of Downunder. I only know about it from links posted here on NSG.

And I made an excellent point?! w00t!!! You are entitled to be a pain in the arse to me just for that!:fluffle:

Aw, shucks... Thanks! And yes, you did make a good point. I've noticed a tendency to not only rush to judgment, but to rush to the single worst judgment possible, and assume that people are all bad and deserve punishment. The case of the woman who miscarried on the sidewalk in San Fransisco comes to mind...

Aw, shucks... Thanks! And yes, you did make a good point. I've noticed a tendency to not only rush to judgment, but to rush to the single worst judgment possible, and assume that people are all bad and deserve punishment. The case of the woman who miscarried on the sidewalk in San Fransisco comes to mind...

Yeah I've noticed that in people as well. Similar case out here to the Duke one with 6 players in a national rugby league team accused of gang rape. Unlike the Duke case however, the woman was never believed, because she accused very prominent players in the team. They got off on it, partly because the evidence wasn't particularly strong, and partly because of the media beat-up I think. But everyone rushed to judge her as a money-hungry whore, because she accused top grade players.

I did not hear about that case, got a link?

ug, there's so much wrong with the legal "analysis" in this thread, it would be difficult to explain without charts.

Seriously, why does everybody think that they're lawyers....

The NC attorney general made a point of saying that not only were these young men not guilty, but that they were innocent.

Which does, I am afraid, mean jack shit all as it is not the job of the attorney general to decide guilt or lack thereof. This is his personal opinion and not, by any means, of any legal value.

It just occurred to me that, by stirring up racial tensions that shouldn't exist, this prosecutor might very well have caused some deaths. If it were up to me, I'd look into it and sue him for manslaughter.

Whatever, she needs to be punished for her transaction.

Oh god I'm getting images of Damon Wayons in an orange jumpsuit in a jailcell.

So you accept North Carolina Attorney General Roy Cooper's judgment as to whether charges should proceed against the lacrosse players, but not as to whether charges should proceed against the woman. How convenient.

Uh...yeah. His agreement with NORTH CAROLINA ATTORNEY GENERAL ROY COOPER on the former matter is based on his opinion of the case, not his belief in the infallibility of the attorney general. You seem to think that if one agrees with NORTH CAROLINA ATTORNEY GENERAL ROY COOPER on one thing, he must agree with him on everything because of his status as a leader. I highly doubt that you would hold those same standards with...say...the almightly EBVIL GENOREGE W. BUS"H@!!!

An interestingly hypocritical and ridiculous appeal to authority on your part. Probably the stupidest thing I've read all week.

In order to jail the lacrosse players for rape, they needed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they were guilty.

There remains reasonable doubt.

In order to jail their accuser for perjury, they needed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that she was not attacked.

There remains reasonable doubt of that, too.

As far as the AG declaring them innocent, that smells like pure political ploy to try and push the whole mess back under the public's radar ASAP. It's been causing a lot of tension in the area.

-snip the sillyness-

Not really. He agrees with the legal analysis of the attorney general. That is to say he, a legal novice, believed that the legal expert, the attorney general was correct in his assesment of the current legal situation.

He then, again, a legal novice, disagreed with the legal expert, the attorney general's legal analysis on another legal situation.

In other words, he accepted the legal analysis of a legal expert on one point of law, and rejected the legal analysis of a legal expert on another point of law, without having any formal training in the subject himself.

So he just thought he was right and supported the expert, who knows a whole shit ton more about law than he does, only when the expert says something he agrees with.

It is not at all hypocracy or a fallacy in the slightest to point out that an expert might actually know something he doesn't, and have a firmer grasp of nuanced sophisticated legal arguments, and that it's just damned silly for a novice to proclaim a legal expert right on one legal analysis, and wrong on another, considering said novice has made such massive legal errors in this thread sufficient to make a first year law student laugh uproriously at any attempt to sound like he knows what he's talking about.

Interestingly, Reade Seligmann, one of the accused players, was at an ATM at the alleged time of the assault.

He wasn't even there.

His testimony is backed up by the cab driver who drove him there, and photos from the ATM he was using at the time.

Add the "no DNA" and I wonder what kind of bullshit was going through Nifong's empty skull.

Which does, I am afraid, mean jack shit all as it is not the job of the attorney general to decide guilt or lack thereof. This is his personal opinion and not, by any means, of any legal value.

When did I say this was a legal opinion? Why the hell do I care? I just posted a link to a story, man. I'm not a lawyer, hell, the only thing I'm certified to do is maintain a canton web page (warrant pending).

I'm still of the opinion that the woman is insane, and should, thus, be committed, rather than jailed. But that is not for the boys to do, that is for the government to do.

She has no understanding of right and wrong? That her actions were unacceptable?

It would be fun to be one of the investigators who is investigating Nifong, and show him the evidence on Reade Seligmann, and ask him, "What the fuck?"

I'd get a video camera, and tape his reaction as we go through the evidence showing that Reade (one of the accused) was at an ATM over a mile away at the time of the supposed attack.

I thought this was the title for the new You got served movie. :(

She has no understanding of right and wrong? That her actions were unacceptable?

She may or not have. That is for forensic psychiatrists to define. However, the fact of the matter is the players stand to gain nothing from suing her, no matter how right they would be in doing so.

I would find it very unlikely that she didn't understand the consequences of her actions. Even most psychos know what they do is wrong, they just don't care. I don't know what the law is exactly but if she is simply a narcissist or a schizo or whatever I don't consider that to be worthy of being labelled "mentally incompetent" or unable to assist in her own defense.

and you have formed this detailed psychological profile of her from...what, exactly?

Moreover the question is not "did she not know she was wrong in doing what she did" but rather the more relevant question might be "did she know what she was saying was false?"

She may or not have. That is for forensic psychiatrists to define. However, the fact of the matter is the players stand to gain nothing from suing her, no matter how right they would be in doing so.

I would find it very unlikely that she didn't understand the consequences of her actions. Even most psychos know what they do is wrong, they just don't care. I don't know what the law is exactly but if she is simply a narcissist or a schizo or whatever I don't consider that to be worthy of being labelled "mentally incompetent" or unable to assist in her own defense.

Hmmm... I just remembered that prosecutors are protected from civil actions resulting from the execution of their job... even when they do their job really badly.

Hmmm... I just remembered that prosecutors are protected from civil actions resulting from the execution of their job... even when they do their job really badly.

Is that just for actions covered by their job requirements?

If someone overstepped what their job is, or did something that they should not have done as a part of their job are they still covered?

Hmmm... I just remembered that prosecutors are protected from civil actions resulting from the execution of their job... even when they do their job really badly.

Then a book deal to make up for it and make the prosecutor a laughing stock and a lawsuit against the state are in order.

http://www.news14charlotte.com/content/top_stories/default.asp?ArID=136569

Finally, all charges against the three lacrosse players has been dropped. This sham of a case has ended, and Niflong will be facing charges and hopefully his status as a lawyer in any capacity will be stripped.

Now, the part that I bolded and Underlined, I do not agree with. This stupid woman dragged three innocent men through the mud, probably for her own twisted and perverted reasons, and she committed perjury as well as obstruction to justice, she should face charges and be punished to the full extent of the law. If I was one of the Duke players, I would charge her with everything I could.

That woman's twisted if she actually believed her own bullshit.

Is that just for actions covered by their job requirements?Yep.

If someone overstepped what their job is, or did something that they should not have done as a part of their job are they still covered?Nope.

But that doesn't appear to be the case here. He did his job, just really, really badly.

That woman's twisted if she actually believed her own bullshit.And that's the point. She may just be really "twisted"--that is, she may be suffering from mental illness.

Now combine two points:

1) This woman exhibits behavior strongly suggestive of mental illness.
2) While sexual assault victims may already be frightened to come forward because of these unfortunate events, actually prosecuting the woman can only make it harder on them.

Putting it all together, laying any kind of charges against her would be a really, really lousy move.

And that's the point. She may just be really "twisted"--that is, she may be suffering from mental illness.

Now combine two points:

1) This woman exhibits behavior strongly suggestive of mental illness.
2) While sexual assault victims may already be frightened to come forward because of these unfortunate events, actually prosecuting the woman can only make it harder on them.

Putting it all together, laying any kind of charges against her would be a really, really lousy move.

Yeah, that makes sense.

http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/national/BO48789/

A lawyer commenting to the media that he thinks someone is innocent is not the same as a lawful verdict.

But don't let me interfere with the witch hunt. I'm sensing a lot of angry young men on this thread who have a repressed general hatred towards women that they're taking this excuse to vent about.

Forgiveness does not mean that she is free from punishment.

That is for the law to decide. In this case the attorney general decided not to prosecute her. If the authorities felt there was a good reason to do so, they would.

If she's such a monster as you think, surely she will get what's coming in the next life. Why be so out for blood?

You people just don't quit, do you?

I'll just link to my comments in this thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12537751&postcount=36), instead of reposting them here. And I'll reiterate that most of you don't know what the hell you are talking about. You're speaking from ignorance, and it shows. Those "boys" may not be guilty of rape, but they are far from innocent. There is nobody involved with this who can claim complete innocence.

:headbang:

There is nobody involved with this who can claim complete innocence.

:headbang:

What about the other male students of the university that got stereotyped as rapists?

Why be so out for blood?

Well, she and the prosecutor were, no?

Well, she and the prosecutor were, no?

No.

Sorry, was that supposed to have been rhetorical?

No.

Yes.

Sorry, was that supposed to have been rhetorical?

Yes.

Yes.

OK, so you are saying that this woman was not raped, and was just looking for "blood." Bloodthirstiness and maliciousness, in other words?

Based on what?


Yes.

Well, you were lacking in actual rhetoric.

OK, so you are saying that this woman was not raped, and was just looking for "blood." Bloodthirstiness and maliciousness, in other words?

Based on what?

They didn't find any DNA, the prosecutor pushed the charges on her claims alone and she accused a guy that was in an ATM miles away at the time. Unless he had Correspondence 5 and Mind 2 (cookie for whoever gets the reference), he'd not be able to be there raping her at the same time.

Evidently, this woman was lying. But what concerns me is that people are advocating such harsh measures against the woman because the boys were found "not guilty" (which is not the same as innocent, btw).

No, actually, the attorney general used the words "completely innocent".

Not guilty is a legal judgment made at trial, as far as I know.

They didn't find any DNA, the prosecutor pushed the charges on her claims alone and she accused a guy that was in an ATM miles away at the time. Unless he had Correspondence 5 and Mind 2 (cookie for whoever gets the reference), he'd not be able to be there raping her at the same time.

Mage: The Ascension, of course.

the blame in this case is 95% on nifong and 5% on the woman.

yeah she made an accusation. maybe she believed it, maybe it was a flat out lie. if nifong had done ANY reasonable work on the case, it never would have gone so far as to have any of those guys charged.

HE ignored evidence. HE never personally interviewed the accuser. HE hid exculpatory evidence. HE set up a photo lineup that included only lacrosse players. HE ignored iron clad alibi evidence that at least 2 of the guys had.

these men would have never had to hire a lawyer if nifong hadnt tried to railroad them. no one would ever have associated them with rape charges.
QFT.
as shitty as this woman has acted, the majority of the blame surely lies at the feet of the prosecutor who was out media-whoring it up and spending more time looking at Neilsen ratings rather than the actual evidence.
Without Nifong pushing the issue and ignoring/changing evidence to suit, this case would have been dropped long ago.


If the Lacross players are looking for anyone to sue for emotional damages, it should be Nifong, not the woman.

Well, she and the prosecutor were, no?

It just seems Wilgrove's attitude on this thread seems extremely hypocritical to me for one who claims to be Catholic.