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Many of us despise DRM because it's the symbol of the stupidity of the RIAA and the attempt to limit what we can do with the music we buy legally, whether it is playing the MP3 on a player of our choice, burning ourselves a back-up copy, or just ripping a CD to our harddrives so we don't have to wear out the disk from over usage...

What many people don't know is that there are still Compact Discs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_disc) (CDs) that are DRM-free that exist.

How do you know where to find them? It's quite simple. Just look for this trademark logo...

http://true-audio.com/upload/8/8f/CDlogo.png

Discs that have that logo conform to the standards to allow for it to bear that image. That logo on a CD means that it can be played on any CD player and is not limited, nor does it have any form of copy-control on it.

CDs that lack it, don't conform to that standard and hence, won't play on all media.

The concept of DRM is not a modern 21st century concept. Back when CDs first came out (the development began in 1979), some record companies wanted to put copy-protection on the discs, but they wouldn't have been allowed to call the discs CDs because it the discs wouldn't be playable on all CD player platforms.

And you know your burnable/blank CDs?

There is a tax levied on them that goes to the music recording industry despite that the disks won't necessarily be used to copy music. The disks are used also for data storage, which has nothing to do with music. So, everytime you burn a CD, you're putting money into their pocket by not burning music.

Now you know.

http://true-audio.com/upload/8/8f/CDlogo.png

Which is why I never, ever download music.

Which is why I never, ever download music.

Well, ain't ya jus' a precious li'l thang, yes y'ar. :p

Many of us despise DRM because it's the symbol of the stupidity of the RIAA and the attempt to limit what we can do with the music we buy legally, whether it is playing the MP3 on a player of our choice, burning ourselves a back-up copy, or just ripping a CD to our harddrives so we don't have to wear out the disk from over usage...

What many people don't know is that there are still Compact Discs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_disc) (CDs) that are DRM-free that exist.

How do you know where to find them? It's quite simple. Just look for this trademark logo...

http://true-audio.com/upload/8/8f/CDlogo.png

Discs that have that logo conform to the standards to allow for it to bear that image. That logo on a CD means that it can be played on any CD player and is not limited, nor does it have any form of copy-control on it.

CDs that lack it, don't conform to that standard and hence, won't play on all media.

The concept of DRM is not a modern 21st century concept. Back when CDs first came out (the development began in 1979), some record companies wanted to put copy-protection on the discs, but they wouldn't have been allowed to call the discs CDs because it the discs wouldn't be playable on all CD player platforms.

And you know your burnable/blank CDs?

There is a tax levied on them that goes to the music recording industry despite that the disks won't necessarily be used to copy music. The disks are used also for data storage, which has nothing to do with music. So, everytime you burn a CD, you're putting money into their pocket by not burning music.

Now you know.Why would you ever need it on a disk of all things? I have it on my HDD, my flash drive and my iPod. How many backups do you think I need?

Why would you ever need it on a disk of all things? I have it on my HDD, my flash drive and my iPod. How many backups do you think I need?

it depends on what kind of work you are doing. I have backups of my files on my server, on my tape drives, and also, I have to keep them on CD.

Why would you ever need it on a disk of all things? I have it on my HDD, my flash drive and my iPod. How many backups do you think I need?

it depends on what kind of work you are doing. I have backups of my files on my server, on my tape drives, and also, I have to keep them on CD.

Or if you're like me, you need the back ups because you can never remember if you have duplicates of that file on your extra HDD or on that other partition... and then invariably delete it. It helps to negate the numerous explicitive-deleted that would inevitably follow. :D

it depends on what kind of work you are doing. I have backups of my files on my server, on my tape drives, and also, I have to keep them on CD.But is that nessesary for your music collection?

Which is why I never, ever download music.
There are tons of unDRMed music on the net. Even for free. Think of Magnatune.com or Jamendo.com ...

I think you're confusing copy protection with DRM, Kryozerkia.

Although I just had a look at a few recent CDs I've bought and none of them had the CD:DA logo. I didn't realise it was that widespread... Not that it's done them any good; not met a CD I can't rip yet. Obviously my drives have sturdy firmware in them.

Even though I love my iPod and PC dearly there is nothing like palying your favourite albums loud on a cd player

I think you're confusing copy protection with DRM, Kryozerkia.

Although I just had a look at a few recent CDs I've bought and none of them had the CD:DA logo. I didn't realise it was that widespread... Not that it's done them any good; not met a CD I can't rip yet. Obviously my drives have sturdy firmware in them.Looking at the few I got, none of them have it. They all ripped painlessly, as did my Family Guy DVD's (so I could watch them while playing Diablo).

Even though I love my iPod and PC dearly there is nothing like palying your favourite albums loud on a cd player

|Yep yep, call me old fashioned if ya like, but most of my music I listen to at home, on my stereo. If I want some music on my mp3 player, why then I take the CD to the 'puter, copy in to a certian folder, cut and paste from there to my MP3 player, then delete the contnts of my folder.


Backup? I got the disks man.

|Yep yep, call me old fashioned if ya like, but most of my music I listen to at home, on my stereo. If I want some music on my mp3 player, why then I take the CD to the 'puter, copy in to a certian folder, cut and paste from there to my MP3 player, then delete the contnts of my folder.


Backup? I got the disks man.

alternatively, download your music for fee as mp3s, buy a cable to connect your computer or mp3 player to your stereo, connect said appliances, turn up to 11, enjoy free and loud music at near-as-dammit the same quality as CDs :D.

or, if you want a 'proper' musical experience get your tunes on vinyl.

alternatively, download your music for fee as mp3s, buy a cable to connect your computer or mp3 player to your stereo, connect said appliances, turn up to 11, enjoy free and loud music at near-as-dammit the same quality as CDs :D.

or, if you want a 'proper' musical experience get your tunes on vinyl.

Ummm now let it be said that I was never one to let a freebie go by with out haveing a grab at it. But art in all of it's forms does have a creator, and that creator has normaly poured every once of sweat into the creation, I just can't bring meself to then take that and not give summit back.

In short, what CD's I don't burn a copy of I buy from the music shop(remember them?):D

Many of us despise DRM because it's the symbol of the stupidity of the RIAA and the attempt to limit what we can do with the music we buy legally, whether it is playing the MP3 on a player of our choice, burning ourselves a back-up copy, or just ripping a CD to our harddrives so we don't have to wear out the disk from over usage...

What many people don't know is that there are still Compact Discs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_disc) (CDs) that are DRM-free that exist.

How do you know where to find them? It's quite simple. Just look for this trademark logo...

http://true-audio.com/upload/8/8f/CDlogo.png

Discs that have that logo conform to the standards to allow for it to bear that image. That logo on a CD means that it can be played on any CD player and is not limited, nor does it have any form of copy-control on it.

CDs that lack it, don't conform to that standard and hence, won't play on all media.

The concept of DRM is not a modern 21st century concept. Back when CDs first came out (the development began in 1979), some record companies wanted to put copy-protection on the discs, but they wouldn't have been allowed to call the discs CDs because it the discs wouldn't be playable on all CD player platforms.

And you know your burnable/blank CDs?

There is a tax levied on them that goes to the music recording industry despite that the disks won't necessarily be used to copy music. The disks are used also for data storage, which has nothing to do with music. So, everytime you burn a CD, you're putting money into their pocket by not burning music.

Now you know.

the exact reason why i still buy CDs or only download illegaly (occasionally) - no DRM.

i paid for it, its my music damnit. i'll do what i want with it.

But is that nessesary for your music collection?
Need I remind you of the proper way to prioritize the world again?
Movies > Music > Everything Else In the World

Need I remind you of the proper way to prioritize the world again?
Movies > Music > Everything Else In the World
Ego > Money > Sex > Revenge > Lesbian Twins > Movies > Music > Everything Else > William Hung

Ego > Money > Sex > Revenge > Lesbian Twins > Movies > Music > Everything Else > William Hung

Threesome with Lesbian Twins > Ego > Sex > Money > Lesbian Twins > Music > Movies > Everything Else > William Hung

Ego >
You mean like "pride" and "dignity" and "not falling to the ground pleading for sex/money/grades/your life at every opportunity"? Yeah, I was never really into that stuff, or good at it.
Money >
Money is useful only insofar as it can be used to get something else.
Sex > Revenge >
Ooh, I forgot about those two; mainly because the opportunity for neither has presented itself in months.
Lesbian Twins
Unless you're Hugh Heffner, your chief (and possibly only) exposure to Lesbian Twins will be through movies, thus maintaining my original system.

Ummm now let it be said that I was never one to let a freebie go by with out haveing a grab at it. But art in all of it's forms does have a creator, and that creator has normaly poured every once of sweat into the creation, I just can't bring meself to then take that and not give summit back.

In short, what CD's I don't burn a copy of I buy from the music shop(remember them?):D

well yeh, most of my music is on CD (c.400 CDs now and it still doesn't seem like enough :-D, i have about half that again copied or downloaded), and music shopping is the only kind of shopping i like, but i rarely listen to CDs anymore. the first thing i do after i buy a CD is copy it onto my mp3 player (after i listen to the thing in its entirety) cuz i really like listening to my complete collection on random shuffle.

You mean like "pride" and "dignity" and "not falling to the ground pleading for sex/money/grades/your life at every opportunity"? Yeah, I was never really into that stuff, or good at it. Well then you are a fuck head.
Money is useful only insofar as it can be used to get something else. As a uni student, money is an end to itself. The prospect of having $4.50 in my bank account makes me giddy. However, that almost never happens.
Ooh, I forgot about those two; mainly because the opportunity for neither has presented itself in months.
That is what porn is for, thus maintaining your original system....

Well, ain't ya jus' a precious li'l thang, yes y'ar. :p
I prefer the term 'luddite'.;)

well yeh, most of my music is on CD (c.400 CDs now and it still doesn't seem like enough :-D, i have about half that again copied or downloaded), and music shopping is the only kind of shopping i like, but i rarely listen to CDs anymore. the first thing i do after i buy a CD is copy it onto my mp3 player (after i listen to the thing in its entirety) cuz i really like listening to my complete collection on random shuffle.

Yeah I like that whole random thing meself, which is why I was shatterd when my 25cd changerd finaly give up the ghost *sniff*

Yeah I like that whole random thing meself, which is why I was shatterd when my 25cd changerd finaly give up the ghost *sniff*

25CD changer!?:eek: how much does one of those cost!? sucks that it broke :(. my stereo broke a while ago, had to hack into it to get my CDs out, but that was only a 3CD changer. i have seen 5CD changers but no more..

25CD changer!?:eek: how much does one of those cost!? sucks that it broke :(. my stereo broke a while ago, had to hack into it to get my CDs out, but that was only a 3CD changer. i have seen 5CD changers but no more..

Man I had if for donkeys, as I remeber it cost me around the £120 mark. I been meaning to get another one, but y'know, the kids need cloths the wife wants another handbag, and I got a stag weekend in Prague coming up:D

the exact reason why i still buy CDs or only download illegaly (occasionally) - no DRM.

i paid for it, its my music damnit. i'll do what i want with it.

Oh yeah! I agree. I figure as long as I buy it and I don't actually infringe on the copyright by making a cheesy knock-ff I am in the safe.

I prefer the term 'luddite'.;)
Whatever you say two-legs. (and a cookie to the nerd who knows where I got this quote.)

Oh yeah! I agree. I figure as long as I buy it and I don't actually infringe on the copyright by making a cheesy knock-ff I am in the safe.


exactly. its not like i *want* to do anything 'illegal' with the music. i just want to be able to play it when i'm not connected to the internet, burn CD compilations of the music i paid for to play in my car, and play my music on the mp3 player of my choosing. that's pretty much it (apart from streaming it to my xbox360/hi-fi)

exactly. its not like i *want* to do anything 'illegal' with the music. i just want to be able to play it when i'm not connected to the internet, burn CD compilations of the music i paid for to play in my car, and play my music on the mp3 player of my choosing. that's pretty much it (apart from streaming it to my xbox360/hi-fi)

Geez, all about you isn't it? It's always been about you, you... YOU! What about me?! I have musical needs too! :D (Whoa, did I just fly in from left field or what?!)

Even though I love my iPod and PC dearly there is nothing like palying your favourite albums loud on a cd player

Man, this just begs for a "Back in my day" response :p

Man, this just begs for a "Back in my day" response :p

His sentence there is kind of pathetic, really. It would've been far more effective if he would've said record player, but oh well.