NationStates Jolt Archive

Today, we now know that over 124,000 Somalis have fled Mogadishu since January 2007 and there are fears that the fighting will resume, and bring more deaths and destruction to this war torn nation. The wanton destruction of homes, hospitals, schools and vital infrastructure is in violation of the Nuremberg Principles...

Also, premeditated use of weapons (tanks, helicopter gun ships, C130 airplanes etc. etc.) known to cause unnecessary and indiscriminate deaths, destructions and sufferings are all a violation of the Geneva Conventions...

Under the Geneva Conventions, it is a war crime to launch indiscriminate attacks affecting the civilian population or civilian objects in the knowledge that such attacks will cause excessive loss of life, injury to civilians, or damage to civilian objects. Abdulahi Yusuf and his cohorts are committing crimes of calculation in Somalia and must be held accountable.

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=24005 .. In another news the Ethiopian Dictator's police has killed some 200 protesters (they dared to claim the Ethiopian elections had been rigged)

Uh, dude...this is old news.

Uh, dude...this is old news....
the article is dated
April 11, 2007

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the article is dated
April 11, 2007

and has been in the headlines for about 10 years I presume...

and has been in the headlines for about 10 years I presume...Meles Zenawi has been accused of Genocide and War Crimes for the last 10 years ???
I was not aware

I was not aware

that an iffy nation bordering another unstable nation would have its hards filthy?

politics not your strong suite?

that an iffy nation bordering another unstable nation would have its hards filthy?

politics not your strong suite?would you say Iraq was more unstable before we got our "hands filthy"?

In my opinion there was less Chaos-and-killings before we invaded..
and likewise.. there was less chaos-and-killings before Meles Zenawi assaulted with his dogs-of-war.

would you say Iraq was more unstable before we got our "hands filthy"?

we gassed the kurds and all that other nasty-ness remember, then public opinion went against Saddam and there was all those scandals and so we got are hands fairly off

we also gave the middle east nice straight borders

and likewise.. there was less chaos-and-killings before Meles Zenawi assaulted with his dogs-of-war.

no its just now the warlords don't have to pretend there not Ethiopia's henchmen

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the article is dated
April 11, 2007

.. In another news the Ethiopian Dictator's police has killed some 200 protesters (they dared to claim the Ethiopian elections had been rigged)

^ that part is old news ^

.. In another news the Ethiopian Dictator's police has killed some 200 protesters (they dared to claim the Ethiopian elections had been rigged)

And you're surprised some tinpot African dictator has committed to a genocide? The Geneva Conventions aren't worth much because usually only one side of the war plays by some of the rules and the other side throws them all to the wind.

Uh, dude...this is old news.And you're surprised some tinpot African dictator has committed to a genocide?the question is not whetter I am surprised about Meles Zenawi..
The question is:
Should this thread be posted?
My answer is yes.
Or are you saying "we should only talk about Jewish genocide"?

would you say Iraq was more unstable before we got our "hands filthy"?

In my opinion there was less Chaos-and-killings before we invaded..
and likewise.. there was less chaos-and-killings before Meles Zenawi assaulted with his dogs-of-war.

It didn't seem to be too stable before. Independent pirates appeared to operate out of Somali ports with impunity, attacking passing merchant ships.

And how did the Islamic Courts people get into power? By killing lots of people. And executing many after.

You're just upset because the Islamic Courts side got their ass handed to them. If it was the other way around, I doubt you would say anything at all - it would be ok in your mind for Ethiopians to be slaughtered in the name of Islam.

Look at it this way - the place is a fucking wasteland, and the lines of "nations" like Ethiopia and Somalia are just fake lines drawn on an imaginary map. Hordes of poor on each side, motivated by whatever means (political whoremongering, religious zeal, external interference of every kind) are fighting each other over the shithouse of the Horn of Africa, for what real plausible reason we can't infer.

It's sad that they're all killing each other for bullshit. I'd vote for the idea that we take away all their toys (mostly AKs and RPGs) and make them behave, but that's not a realistic idea in such a place. They've been killing each other for decades - and until they all die, or get tired of it, they'll be killing each other 20 years from now.

Or are you saying "we should only talk about Jewish genocide"?

Why am I know surprised that you pointlessly decided to drag this into the debate? :rolleyes:

Why am I know surprised that you pointlessly decided to drag this into the debate? :rolleyes:

I'm surprised it took that long.

http://www.shabait.com/staging/publish/article_006457.html

for the link whores.

my point is still standing. Care to address it?

There is hundreds of thread about that other Genocide.. yet in the very first page I post about the the corn of Africa genocide.. I get comments like:

"but thats old news"
"are you surprised?"

No, it's not standing. Read my post.

Why am I know surprised that you pointlessly decided to drag this into the debate? :rolleyes:my point is still standing. Care to address it?

There is hundreds of thread about that other Genocide.. yet in the very first page I post about the horn-of-Africa-genocides.. I get comments like:

"but thats old news"
"are you surprised?"

It's sad that they're all killing each other for bullshit. I agree. My question is:
Why are we suporting the Bloody Dictator in this bullshit war?
Why are we supporting the Warlords in this bullshit war?

And how did the Islamic Courts people get into power? By fighting out the bloody Warlords.

It didn't seem to be too stable before.Yes it was stable before the Ethiopian invasion.

Independent pirates appeared to operate it was like that decades before the courts kicked out the Warlords.. besides, the Courts do not have a Navy

I agree. My question is:
Why are we suporting the Bloody Dictator in this bullshit war?
Why are we supporting the Warlords in this bullshit war?

By fighting out the bloody Warlords.

Yes it was stable before the Ethiopian invasion.

it was like that decades before the courts kicked out the Warlords.. besides, the Courts do not have a Navy

No, it wasn't stable before the Ethiopian invasion.

I guess you went to the John McCain "Look, it's perfectly stable here" school of reality.

No, it wasn't stable before the Ethiopian invasion.

I guess you went to the John McCain "Look, it's perfectly stable here" school of reality.It was safer before the Invasion.
It was more stable before the Invasion.
It was more peaceful before the Invasion.

the same can be said for Iraq.. McCain is an idiot.

US citizen cannot come home.. because he is on the no-fly list.

ADDIS ABABA, Ethiopia, April 12 -- A U.S. citizen arrested in Somalia and held without charge in a secret Ethiopian prison was set to be released and flown back to the United States as early as Friday. But State Department officials booking his flight discovered that his name had been placed on a no-fly list at the request of the FBI and that no airline would take him, U.S. officials said.
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Meshal was among dozens of people who headed toward the Kenyan border in January after an Ethiopian military campaign that ousted a Islamic movement in Somalia.

Meshal and several others were arrested by the Kenyan military, then held by Kenyan, Somali and finally Ethiopian authorities, during which time he was questioned by FBI officials without an attorney or U.S. consular official present, officials have said. It is unclear why Meshal was in Somalia.

The United States and Ethiopia have accused some of Somalia's Islamic leaders of having ties to terrorism, which the leaders have denied.

The FBI has carried out interrogations of dozens of the detainees in Ethiopia's secret prison.

FBI Special Agent Richard Kolko confirmed that there were no charges against Meshal, and State Department officials said the FBI told them that no charges were pending.

"The FBI interviewed Meshal in Kenya, didn't come up with any reasons to charge him and, as far as I know, they haven't thought of anything new that he could be charged with here," one of the officials said.

My advice to him: "fly emirates" (http://speedera.emirates.com/www.emirates.com/usa/Images/Ek_Kit_TShirts_tcm77-3722.jpg) :D

And for the record, saying Meles has committed "genocide" is utterly stupid and without basis in reality. Is he a tyrant? Yes. Has his government spilled innocent blood? Absolutely. Even so, he has not committed, or even attempted, genocide, or come anywhere close to doing so. He's a repressive tyrant, but a génocidaire he is not.

Or are you saying "we should only talk about Jewish genocide"?

...wait, what the fuck do the Jews have to do with this?

...wait, what the fuck do the Jews have to do with this?the answer is already there: post # 11 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12536653#post12536653)

or you could figure the answer if you bother to quote my full post.

the answer is already there: post # 11 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12536653#post12536653)

or you could figure the answer if you bother to quote my full post.

Nope, your post doesn't answer the question one tiny bit.

Neither Layarteb nor Congo--Kinshasa mentioned Jews. Only you did. Why?

If you don't feel like answering that's fine, I can answer for you. Just maybe I can give your answer more honestly than you can.

Nope, your post doesn't answer the question one tiny bit.you are entitled to your opinion. ;)

The UN is in fact trying to help in Somalia, if you would bother to read into the conflict.I am in fact closely following that conflict.

in your opinion.. (open question for you all)

#1 What has the UN accomplished so far in Somalia. (intended results.. and actual results)
#2 What should be the UN do next? What steps to take?

you are entitled to your opinion. ;)

This isn't a matter of "opinion." You didn't answer the question. Three times, and evasions.

I can only assume it's because the answer is... you're an anti-semite and you never fail to whine about the evil Jews. And because, like so many other racists, you are deathly afraid of your own unpopular opinion and too dishonest and cowardly to come out and say it.