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http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/04/09/imus.ap/index.html

This story is starting to annoy me to no end.

Have we truly become so sterile in America that we have to make a mountain out of this molehill? :rolleyes:

Silly bastards.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/04/09/imus.ap/index.html

This story is starting to annoy me to no end.

Have we truly become so sterile in America that we have to make a mountain out of this molehill? :rolleyes:

Fast food and a crappy education system do wonders. *nod*

Fast food and a crappy education system do wonders. *nod*

Indeed. :(

Have we truly become so sterile in America that we have to make a mountain out of this molehill? :rolleyes:

Hardcore mud ho. :p

Just doesn't work for everything I guess. :D

While admittedly it isn't all that important, it isn't like this is the first time Imus has said something like this.

Enough molehills....

Fast food and a crappy education system do wonders. *nod*

Meh, it's no better in Britain.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/04/09/imus.ap/index.html

This story is starting to annoy me to no end.

Have we truly become so sterile in America that we have to make a mountain out of this molehill? :rolleyes:

Yes, he is racist bastard that deserves no life!:rolleyes:

Evidently is was SOOOO important, i recieved a CNN breaking news email.

Meh, it's no better in Britain.

Actually it is, if only slightly. :(

Yes, he is racist bastard that deserves no life!:rolleyes:

Evidently is was SOOOO important, i recieved a CNN breaking news email.

Your email inbox must be so full of Anna Nicole Smith crap... :eek:

Indeed. :(

:(

Actually it is, if only slightly. :(

Fast food here is horrible, education system isn't bad....but our Government is merrily fucking it up.

Being a radio comedian is no excuse for telling jokes about people you aren't supposed to tell jokes about. That's basically the rule. Of course, his comment was more of an insult than a joke, so he's clearly over the line.

Fast food here is horrible, education system isn't bad....but our Government is merrily fucking it up.

Our government has been merrily screwing our stuff up for a very, very long time now, longer than Britain.

Your email inbox must be so full of Anna Nicole Smith crap... :eek:


Oh trust me, it was. But you occasionally I get a useful email, like "President Bush is at his Texas ranch today" Yes, I received that important piece of info last year. I am so glad that they keep me informed :D

Oh trust me, it was. But you occasionally I get a useful email, like "President Bush is at his Texas ranch today" Yes, I received that important piece of info last year. I am so glad that they keep me informed :D

Very informed. *nod*

Being a radio comedian is no excuse for telling jokes about people you aren't supposed to tell jokes about. That's basically the rule. Of course, his comment was more of an insult than a joke, so he's clearly over the line.

And I think that as a radio comedian, 'over the line' is a place he needs to visit from time to time. In fact, crossing that line is the sacred duty of comedians. If people are truly offended and sickened by this, let them vote him off the island with dollars and their dials. Politicians, including Al Sharpton(who teeters precariously between my respect and contempt), are more than welcome to voice their opinions, but it's certainly not news. And it's certainly not CNN.com front page news. :p

While admittedly it isn't all that important, it isn't like this is the first time Imus has said something like this.

Enough molehills....

I wouldn't exactly call it a molehill, but you're right--it's certainly not the first time he's said anything like this. The whole "Hillary will be dropping gang signs before the primaries are over" thing was pretty ridiculous as well. Imus is an asshole, and has been for a long time--who's shocked by it? I don't listen to him for just that reason, and he'd vanish from the airwaves if the politicians and media people he strokes would say "you know, I don't want to be associated with this kind of crap." He'd become irrelevant.

Our government has been merrily screwing our stuff up for a very, very long time now, longer than Britain.

Pah. We had Maggie Thatcher. We win. :p

And I think that as a radio comedian, 'over the line' is a place he needs to visit from time to time. In fact, crossing that line is the sacred duty of comedians. If people are truly offended and sickened by this, let them vote him off the island with dollars and their dials. Politicians, including Al Sharpton(who teeters precariously between my respect and contempt), are more than welcome to voice their opinions, but it's certainly not news. And it's certainly not CNN.com front page news. :p
I wonder what the reaction would have been if Stephen Colbert had said that... :p

And I think that as a radio comedian, 'over the line' is a place he needs to visit from time to time. In fact, crossing that line is the sacred duty of comedians. If people are truly offended and sickened by this, let them vote him off the island with dollars and their dials. Politicians, including Al Sharpton(who teeters precariously between my respect and contempt), are more than welcome to voice their opinions, but it's certainly not news. And it's certainly not CNN.com front page news. :p
But where's the humor in calling a women's basketball team a bunch of nappy-headed ho's? Radio comedians should dare to be provocative, sure, but their first duty is to be funny. And I don't think the comment itself is front page news, but the reaction? A stretch perhaps, but it's certainly worth a mention.

I wonder what the reaction would have been if Stephen Colbert had said that... :p

He probably would never need to; Stephen Colbert is approximately 223,470 times more creative than Don Imus. *nod*

He probably would never need to; Stephen Colbert is approximately 223,470 times more creative than Don Imus. *nod*

And I don't assume Colbert is in a wheelchair with palsy when I look at him like I do with Imus.

But where's the humor in calling a women's basketball team a bunch of nappy-headed ho's? Radio comedians should dare to be provocative, sure, but their first duty is to be funny. And I don't think the comment itself is front page news, but the reaction? A stretch perhaps, but it's certainly worth a mention.

I never said Don Imus was good at it. :p

And I think that as a radio comedian, 'over the line' is a place he needs to visit from time to time. In fact, crossing that line is the sacred duty of comedians. If people are truly offended and sickened by this, let them vote him off the island with dollars and their dials.

The farther over the line you step, the more distant from the major media outlets your venue gets.. the guy's been in broadcasting forever, so there's no doubt that he knows the rules. You can say anything you want if you record your own CDs and sell them on the subway.. not so if you're on MSNBC.. :p

Though I do admit, the whole cycle of bringing in Al Sharpton to hear confessions and absolve comedians is getting old.

The farther over the line you step, the more distant from the major media outlets your venue gets.. the guy's been in broadcasting forever, so there's no doubt that he knows the rules. You can say anything you want if you record your own CDs and sell them on the subway.. not so if you're on MSNBC.. :p

Though I do admit, the whole cycle of bringing in Al Sharpton to hear confessions is getting old.

Yep. Just ask Michael Savage that. He lasted on MNSBC for all of what, 3 weeks? But here's the other side of it--Imus brings in bucks for MSNBC. They're going to look at this long and hard before they throw him over, and probably won't unless they're convinced that he's done in the mainstream radio business, and with his record, there's no reason to believe he is.

"Nappy-headed hos" causes a "news" story?

Is there some deeper meaning to that (rather silly) insult to which I'm not privy?

Anyway, the verdict is in. Imus is suspended for two weeks, both the MSNBC and the radio gigs. Meh.

im not understanding this.

imus is an ugly man who says ugly things on a regular basis and he gets suspended for THIS?

because he insulted the fair flower of southern womanhood?

the article didnt seem to say anything but that he called them "nappy headed hos". did he go on and on? did he say other mean things about them? do we assume that these women were devastated that imus was mean to them? are basketball players too sacred to insult?

i just need a bit more explanation.

im not understanding this.

imus is an ugly man who says ugly things on a regular basis and he gets suspended for THIS?

because he insulted the fair flower of southern womanhood?

the article didnt seem to say anything but that he called them "nappy headed hos". did he go on and on? did he say other mean things about them? do we assume that these women were devastated that imus was mean to them? are basketball players too sacred to insult?

i just need a bit more explanation.
Jersey womanhood--he was talking about the Rutgers women's basketball team. And I expect Imus got suspended because these people made a stink and made it stick, which hasn't happened before. Personally, I think he got off light, but if it were up to me, I'd have canned his ass years ago. This certainly isn't the worst he's done.

Al Sharpton was the designated offendee in the batter's box. Jesse Jackson must have been on Easter holiday.

Jersey womanhood--he was talking about the Rutgers women's basketball team. And I expect Imus got suspended because these people made a stink and made it stick, which hasn't happened before. Personally, I think he got off light, but if it were up to me, I'd have canned his ass years ago. This certainly isn't the worst he's done.

hmmm the fair flower of jersey womanhood. would it be wrong of me to suggest that they have probably been called worse?

i dont see imus often but ive never liked what ive seen. id still like the comment put into context. why was he talking about a woman's college basketball team and why did he feel the need to diss them? was he being funny? did he go on and on about what terrible people they are?

And I don't assume Colbert is in a wheelchair with palsy when I look at him like I do with Imus.

Imus' Formula 403 ... bringin' home da bacon.

*nods*

Sharpton looks so evil, lording over Imus in the picture on CNN. The comment was hardly offensive, imo.

It really is. People are getting so obssessed over what some guy said on a talk show. Rutgers is the local college that takes about 80% of graduates from my HS, so it's sort of important news...

hmmm the fair flower of jersey womanhood. would it be wrong of me to suggest that they have probably been called worse?

i dont see imus often but ive never liked what ive seen. id still like the comment put into context. why was he talking about a woman's college basketball team and why did he feel the need to diss them? was he being funny? did he go on and on about what terrible people they are?

Here's the quote with a bit more context. (http://mediamatters.org/items/200704040011):
IMUS: So, I watched the basketball game last night between -- a little bit of Rutgers and Tennessee, the women's final.

ROSENBERG: Yeah, Tennessee won last night -- seventh championship for [Tennessee coach] Pat Summitt, I-Man. They beat Rutgers by 13 points.

IMUS: That's some rough girls from Rutgers. Man, they got tattoos and --

McGUIRK: Some hard-core hos.

IMUS: That's some nappy-headed hos there. I'm gonna tell you that now, man, that's some -- woo. And the girls from Tennessee, they all look cute, you know, so, like -- kinda like -- I don't know.

McGUIRK: A Spike Lee thing.

IMUS: Yeah.

McGUIRK: The Jigaboos vs. the Wannabes -- that movie that he had.

IMUS: Yeah, it was a tough --

McCORD: Do The Right Thing.

McGUIRK: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

IMUS: I don't know if I'd have wanted to beat Rutgers or not, but they did, right?

ROSENBERG: It was a tough watch. The more I look at Rutgers, they look exactly like the Toronto Raptors.

IMUS: Well, I guess, yeah.

RUFFINO: Only tougher.

McGUIRK: The [Memphis] Grizzlies would be more appropriate. Looked at this way, Imus's sidekick seems to be the biggest of the assholes in the group.

And Fris, are you insinuating that if Sharpton or Jackson are involved in a subject, it's automatically over the top or something? Just curious, because if that is what you're suggesting, can you inform everyone who in the black community is now allowed to be a spokesperson?

thanks nazz.

typical ugly imus stuff. if the suspension cleans him up a bit, its all to the good.

To the shyster "rev" al sharpton:

"I've come on your show to tell you that you're annoying and that you're a despicable race-pimp and rabblerouser, and that I am not interested in talking with you about anything, because I've already appologized for offending the people I've offended. That is all."


^ What he should have said.

Our government has been merrily screwing our stuff up for a very, very long time now, longer than Britain.
The British Empahr has been working hard at being a terrible place for longer than the US has even existed. Bunch of greasy-faced chip-fiends.

*Is suspended*

How Imus ever got a radio show in the first place, I have no idea. The man mumbles his way through every statement that comes out of his mouth. He'd have been fired from my college radio station for failing to make himself understood. He's damn near unintelligible on the radio, a medium in which speaking clearly is sort of necessary...unless you wear a cowboy hat in the studio! :rolleyes:

I hope his advertisers bail on him...I wouldn't mind if I never heard about Don Imus ever again.

Sharpton looks so evil, lording over Imus in the picture on CNN. The comment was hardly offensive, imo.

So, if he goes on national radio and calls your mother a nappy headed ho'...that'll be ok? (I'm just checking, because I'm pretty sure if I have your permission first I can appeal the forum ban that will almost certainly ensue.)

Of note:

Imus' producer was in the booth with Imus and backed up the statement we've all come to loathe this week. I was astonished (well, considering we're talking about an inflammatory talkshow host anyway, not really) by the remark, but more astonished to learn that his producer said the same thing... and even went on to make a racist remark of his own.

The British Empahr has been working hard at being a terrible place for longer than the US has even existed. Bunch of greasy-faced chip-fiends.

*Is suspended*

*sends the british equivalent of Al Sharpton to your house to hear your apology*

Who would be the british equivalent to Al Sharpton?

Of note:

Imus' producer was in the booth with Imus and backed up the statement we've all come to loathe this week. I was astonished (well, considering we're talking about an inflammatory talkshow host anyway, not really) by the remark, but more astonished to learn that his producer said the same thing... and even went on to make a racist remark of his own.

Yeah, I quoted the entire exchange a few posts back, and noted that Imus's sidekick was even worse. But Imus is the guy in charge, and he has the name, so he catches the flak, and deservedly so.

Here's another instance of a couple of professional victims, namely Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, that must make a mountain of this molehill. The publicity and extortion that they so desperately need requires massive amounts of media attention on what should be nothing. I'm sure that before this is over, Imus will have to attend sensitivity training to keep his show and MSNBC will make a big payment to one of Jesse's favorite charities -- Jesse.

I heard Sharpton say on the Today Show, that we shouldn't just forgive and forget. Well, Al, how about apologizing for the Tawana Brawley fiasco? How about apologizing for the Crown Height riots? How about addressing predatory lending in black communities? Wait, it wouldn't be right to bite the hand that feeds you, would it, i.e. the LoanMax ads.

As of right now, Imus has been suspended for a couple of weeks.

As of right now, Imus has been suspended for a couple of weeks.

Unfortunately, it wasn't 'by his testicles'. :p

I love how this is made a bigger deal because of the racism than the sexism.

I mean, it's fine to objectify women, apparently, as long as you're not hurling a racist insult along with it.

I love how this is made a bigger deal because of the racism than the sexism.

I mean, it's fine to objectify women, apparently, as long as you're not hurling a racist insult along with it.

Actually, a coin was flipped and racism won. Sexism gets the next one. *nod*

It's an irrelevancy of the first order. Why does it even matter?
Hell, if Al Sharpton actually gave a damn about Civil Rights, he would be raising this kind of stink about education, about getting more African-Americans into college and improving inner city schools, not some stupid, thoughtless remark on a "humor" radio show.

Of course, I'm a bit biased. Al Sharpton tried to rain on my parade, or more literally, stand his fat ass and greasy hair in the middle of the road of my parade, once, so I rather don't care for him.

I never said Don Imus was good at it. :p

His time has come and long gone. He was funny in the 70s. Now he is a half-assed pundit ass kiss, with humor thrown into a sea of commercial promotions.

But-"nappy haired hos" hardly justifies the pathetic groveling and saying you're sorry at everything that walks by.

Be a man and say-"I'm a fucking comedian and if you dont like what I say,fuck you" . And then take the reprecussions like a man.

He didnt say it because he hates blacks and wants everyone else to hate them. He said it for a lame stab at being edgy.

Google "nappy". There are so many "Nappy" titled products for black people,the only ones they could convince they are offended by his comments are self loathing and guilty white douche-bags.

It's an irrelevancy of the first order. Why does it even matter?
Hell, if Al Sharpton actually gave a damn about Civil Rights, he would be raising this kind of stink about education, about getting more African-Americans into college and improving inner city schools, not some stupid, thoughtless remark on a "humor" radio show.

Of course, I'm a bit biased. Al Sharpton tried to rain on my parade, or more literally, stand his fat ass and greasy hair in the middle of the road of my parade, once, so I rather don't care for him.

Hes a phony,two faced opportunist, preying upon the very people he purports to stand for. He incites people into a rage-most often about things like this-non issues and then promotes himself.

I cant believe no one is stomping him into irrelevancy after the Tawanna Brawley charade.

Oh trust me, it was. But you occasionally I get a useful email, like "President Bush is at his Texas ranch today" Yes, I received that important piece of info last year. I am so glad that they keep me informed :D

Did you get the one about Jacko converting to Islam? :rolleyes:

I heard a sound byte in which Imus and Sharpton were talking and Sharpton said something to the effect of: "If you come away from this unscathed, then what's next?"

That right there tells us that -NO- amount of apologizing or groveling on Imus' part will satisfy Sharpton. He wants to make an example of Imus.

IMHO that means there's no point bothering. Maybe Imus shoudl have said "YEAH I said it. Get over it."

It's an irrelevancy of the first order. Why does it even matter?
Hell, if Al Sharpton actually gave a damn about Civil Rights, he would be raising this kind of stink about education, about getting more African-Americans into college and improving inner city schools, not some stupid, thoughtless remark on a "humor" radio show.

Of course, I'm a bit biased. Al Sharpton tried to rain on my parade, or more literally, stand his fat ass and greasy hair in the middle of the road of my parade, once, so I rather don't care for him.

I haven't seen any action by African-American politicians to make their own sons stop killing their own sons (other than by sponsoring lame "gun buy backs" where you get 20 dollars for the rusty guns the gang members can't use anymore - and then they turn around and buy a box of ammo with the 20).

You'll hear them talk about banning guns, but you won't hear them talk about parenting the generation they're losing. You'll hear them talk about rap lyrics, but not about teaching their children any sense of morality (hey, don't kill your brother, ok?). You'll hear them talk about getting government money for more educational programs, but you won't hear them talk about the parental responsibility of being involved in their childrens' education.

While Imus is an idiot, and has NEVER been funny, I don't see his comments as contributing to African-American victimhood at anywhere near the level that they victimize themselves.

There have been plenty of minorities over the years in the US. Yes, most of them got the short end of the stick for the first few generations. But most of them managed to pull themselves up and out - without government help, and during a time when people would ridicule them publicly with no fear of reprisal.

It seems that somehow, we're supposed to think that African-Americans are permanent victims - that they'll never make anything of themselves unless we NEVER criticize them at any level. And unless we shovel billions of government dollars at them, they'll fail, and it will be our fault.

Sorry, I'm not buying it. As someone who grew up being racially slurred for most of my youth, and occasionally being beaten up just because my parents came from the same side of the world as the Vietnamese (during the Vietnam War, being a "gook", even if not from Vietnam, or anywhere I consider close, was a crime in elementary school), somehow I made it in life.

And I didn't get a government handout, or some special protection from slurs, to get there.

*looks in pack for +5 Wand of Slur Protection*

I heard a sound byte in which Imus and Sharpton were talking and Sharpton said something to the effect of: "If you come away from this unscathed, then what's next?"

That right there tells us that -NO- amount of apologizing or groveling on Imus' part will satisfy Sharpton. He wants to make an example of Imus.

IMHO that means there's no point bothering. Maybe Imus shoudl have said "YEAH I said it. Get over it."


Sharpton taught everyone there really isnt any tolerance and saying your sorry is way more painful than saying "Fuck Off".

Imus will probably lose his job either way.

And Sharpton will continue trying desperately to be the Lifted Lorax of the community.
It was a waste of time with Michael Richards because he doesnt have much money and no career left.
Imus,on the other hand, has some real dough,as does MSNBC.

if this was about anything other than black women people would be yelling "freedom of speech"

sharpton also has no room to talk. he is himself racist. but it doesnt matter because he isnt racist against a minority

I love how this is made a bigger deal because of the racism than the sexism.

I mean, it's fine to objectify women, apparently, as long as you're not hurling a racist insult along with it.

Very few people outside of academe are interested in (or willing to listen to) the 'feminist perspective' on things.

Cable news is one of the most entrenched good-ole-boy clubs around.

I love how this is made a bigger deal because of the racism than the sexism.

I mean, it's fine to objectify women, apparently, as long as you're not hurling a racist insult along with it.
He didn't mean "hos" in a disrespectful way. He meant it as a general word for women.

I heard Sharpton say on the Today Show, that we shouldn't just forgive and forget. Well, Al, how about apologizing for the Tawana Brawley fiasco? How about apologizing for the Crown Height riots? How about addressing predatory lending in black communities? Wait, it wouldn't be right to bite the hand that feeds you, would it, i.e. the LoanMax ads.

QFT. What Imus said was inappropriate, and the suspension and public reprimand is appropriate. What he said originally was that there were some tough girls on that team with tattoos; his producer called them hos, and Imus was stupid enough to repeat it and toss in nappy-headed as well. Yeah, getting publicly slapped around is appropriate. Destroying his career? Not so much. People forget the good he's done alongside the shockjock career.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3359675/
The Imus Ranch for Kids with Cancer
He has also been a tireless fundraiser for:
The Tomorrows Children Fund
C. J. Foundation for SIDS

sharpton also has no room to talk. he is himself racist. but it doesnt matter because he isnt racist against a minority

Well, ain't that the pot calling the kettle.....

Nevermind.

Wow, I'm suprised no one has made a thread on this, slow day?

http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/04/10/imus.rutgers/index.html

I'm not going to quote the whole article, but I'm sure we can all access this. So Don Imus calls women basketball players "Nappy headed hos" and this causes an uproar? Am I the only one who really sees this as a non-issues? I mean seriously, I've been called worse stuff than that back in High School, and I just let it roll off my back...after breaking the guys jaw. Of course Don could've said that Women's basketball just suck, and really shouldn't call them "Nappy headed hos" but, jeez, this is just like the dam Anna Nicole Smith Drama. Now we'll be hearing about this for the next two weeks. I'd rather hear about the astronaut who drove from Florida to Texas in her diapers than this! At least that was interesting! This, this is just some kids who are crying to mommy because they got called a name, boo hoo.

*throws TV out the window*

There is a thread about this.

Already there:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=523605

There is a thread about this.

really, link?

So Don Imus calls women basketball players "Nappy headed hos" and this causes an uproar? Am I the only one who really sees this as a non-issues? I mean seriously, I've been called worse stuff than that back in High School, and I just let it roll off my back...after breaking the guys jaw. Of course Don could've said that Women's basketball just suck, and really shouldn't call them "Nappy headed hos" but, jeez, this is just like the dam Anna Nicole Smith Drama. Now we'll be hearing about this for the next two weeks. I'd rather hear about the astronaut who drove from Florida to Texas in her diapers than this! At least that was interesting! This, this is just some kids who are crying to mommy because they got called a name, boo hoo. This is my message to the world. Grow up and get thicker skin!

*throws TV out the window*

So Don Imus calls women basketball players "Nappy headed hos" and this causes an uproar? Am I the only one who really sees this as a non-issues? I mean seriously, I've been called worse stuff than that back in High School, and I just let it roll off my back...after breaking the guys jaw. Of course Don could've said that Women's basketball just suck, and really shouldn't call them "Nappy headed hos" but, jeez, this is just like the dam Anna Nicole Smith Drama. Now we'll be hearing about this for the next two weeks. I'd rather hear about the astronaut who drove from Florida to Texas in her diapers than this! At least that was interesting! This, this is just some kids who are crying to mommy because they got called a name, boo hoo. This is my message to the world. Grow up and get thicker skin!

*throws TV out the window*



It probably goes like this: The station is selling a product for profit - the product ends up being a detriment to profit as customers call in and complain - the company stops offering the product. I don't think it's anymore complicated than that. The only reason its a story is because it's controverisal (a controversy people are showing interest in) and that sells news.

So Don Imus calls women basketball players "Nappy headed hos" and this causes an uproar? Am I the only one who really sees this as a non-issues? I mean seriously, I've been called worse stuff than that back in High School, and I just let it roll off my back...after breaking the guys jaw. Of course Don could've said that Women's basketball just suck, and really shouldn't call them "Nappy headed hos" but, jeez, this is just like the dam Anna Nicole Smith Drama. Now we'll be hearing about this for the next two weeks. I'd rather hear about the astronaut who drove from Florida to Texas in her diapers than this! At least that was interesting! This, this is just some kids who are crying to mommy because they got called a name, boo hoo. This is my message to the world. Grow up and get thicker skin!

*throws TV out the window*

Chill. You've been ranting about a lot lately.

The British Empahr has been working hard at being a terrible place for longer than the US has even existed. Bunch of greasy-faced chip-fiends.

*Is suspended*

The US once was part of Britain...

But feh, the British are nowhere near as backward as Americans are. Perhaps they are working too hard...

So Don Imus calls women basketball players "Nappy headed hos" and this causes an uproar? Am I the only one who really sees this as a non-issues? I mean seriously, I've been called worse stuff than that back in High School, and I just let it roll off my back...after breaking the guys jaw. Of course Don could've said that Women's basketball just suck, and really shouldn't call them "Nappy headed hos" but, jeez, this is just like the dam Anna Nicole Smith Drama. Now we'll be hearing about this for the next two weeks. I'd rather hear about the astronaut who drove from Florida to Texas in her diapers than this! At least that was interesting! This, this is just some kids who are crying to mommy because they got called a name, boo hoo. This is my message to the world. Grow up and get thicker skin!

*throws TV out the window*

I was called worse than that in middle school. But dude, chill...

And the ANS drama has beeing going on for two months. It may have been newsworthy for a week or two backi n February, but now it's April and nobody gives a damn anymore, probably 80% of the whoel country didn't care back in February.

.... Destroying his career? Not so much. People forget the good he's done alongside the shockjock career.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3359675/
The Imus Ranch for Kids with Cancer
He has also been a tireless fundraiser for:
The Tomorrows Children Fund
C. J. Foundation for SIDS



Its a shame he will be more remembered for this silly song and dance routine than all the charity work he has done for people that need it.

im not understanding this.

imus is an ugly man who says ugly things on a regular basis and he gets suspended for THIS?

because he insulted the fair flower of southern womanhood?

the article didnt seem to say anything but that he called them "nappy headed hos". did he go on and on? did he say other mean things about them? do we assume that these women were devastated that imus was mean to them? are basketball players too sacred to insult?

i just need a bit more explanation.

The explanation is the right Reverend Dr.Al Sharpton and his esteemed cohort Jesse Jackson (you may remember him from his starring role in "Hymietown" ) are whipping this into a frenzied crescendo for their own personal gain,under the guise of fighting for the rights of their community.

They had no problem doing this with the Tawana Brawley hoax and I dont see either calling for anything or speaking out against "Pac Man" Jones et al behavior issues or even about the Duke Lacross Team being man handled and accused by a fake,phony,fraud.
Things that REALLY hurt African American's images.

"Ho" doesnt upset them-they call each other that on a regular basis.

"Nappy" doesnt upset them either-unless the landslide of "Nappy" titled books,songs and magazines targeting that audience are all bad too.

He didn't mean "hos" in a disrespectful way. He meant it as a general word for women.
Yes, because using "ho" as a general term for women isn't at all disrespectful.

The explanation is the right Reverend Dr.Al Sharpton and his esteemed cohort Jesse Jackson (you may remember him from his starring role in "Hymietown" ) are whipping this into a frenzied crescendo for their own personal gain,under the guise of fighting for the rights of their community.

They had no problem doing this with the Tawana Brawley hoax and I dont see either calling for anything or speaking out against "Pac Man" Jones et al behavior issues or even about the Duke Lacross Team being man handled and accused by a fake,phony,fraud.
Things that REALLY hurt African American's images.

"Ho" doesnt upset them-they call each other that on a regular basis.

"Nappy" doesnt upset them either-unless the landslide of "Nappy" titled books,songs and magazines targeting that audience are all bad too.

oh i dont know, i guess these women might take offense at being talked about in an ugly way on national radio...

IF they had heard it. which i severely doubt they did. so any trauma is being caused by the media repeating it over and over again

i saw a bit of the women's press conference this morning. they didnt look too upset to me. they looked like women who were told to have a press conference and who were getting it the hell over with. cant they just go back to studying? Its getting to be the end of the year eh?

Yes, because using "ho" as a general term for women isn't at all disrespectful.
Glad to see that we've reached a consensus, I was rather afraid that any hos on NS might prove intractable to even my skillful arguments.

PS:It was a reference (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0530304/quotes) of sorts.

Yes, because using "ho" as a general term for women isn't at all disrespectful.

Well, I know all my b*tches and hoes love it when I call them such words.:rolleyes:

oh i dont know, i guess these women might take offense at being talked about in an ugly way on national radio...

IF they had heard it. which i severely doubt they did. so any trauma is being caused by the media repeating it over and over again

i saw a bit of the women's press conference this morning. they didnt look too upset to me. they looked like women who were told to have a press conference and who were getting it the hell over with. cant they just go back to studying? Its getting to be the end of the year eh?

Its true that Imus certainly doesnt appeal to the very demographic that Sharpton and Jackson are trying so hard to incite.

Sharpton and Jackson have to try harder to make sure the girls feel that they were victimized and suffered loss.

This can take the spotlight off the Duke rape case if they try hard enough.

What Imus said was foolish & lame-but his crime is terrible humor and nothing more.

Now- how about rap music? "Ho" is certainly the tamest of terms used to describe their precious women. How about the other more derogatory terms used to describe females and how to deal with them?

Imus is just a crusty old jackass. And I say that from first hand experience with him.
But-he wasnt promoting hate speech against anyone.

Are they nappy hos? I am not sure that i get the joke. I do not listen to Imus so I missed it. He is usually a little to left of center for my tastes.

Are they nappy hos? I am not sure that i get the joke. I do not listen to Imus so I missed it. He is usually a little to left of center for my tastes.
They aren't (http://patriotboy.blogspot.com/2007_04_08_archive.html#620221923492478826), but that's sort of beside the point. What if, instead of "nappy-headed ho's," he'd have called them "Jew-nosed sluts?" Would that have been equally offensive, or worse or less? Accuracy is the least matter of concern here.

They aren't (http://patriotboy.blogspot.com/2007_04_08_archive.html#620221923492478826), but that's sort of beside the point. What if, instead of "nappy-headed ho's," he'd have called them "Jew-nosed sluts?" Would that have been equally offensive, or worse or less? Accuracy is the least matter of concern here.

Thanks for the link.

I am not sure that I know what nappy is but I suspect it is the tight curled hair of the Negroe. I know that a ho is a loose woman. If these girls were known for their loose ways, I guess it would be ok to call them names but I do not see what is so funny about the reference to the nappy (assuming that I am correct as to its meaning)

Based on your link, some of the girls had rather straight hair. I just do not get the joke.

The Jew nose or hooked nose is a pretty ugly trait. I am genetically half Jewish and half Alsace-Loarainne Lutheran. Not that it matters but I consider myself 100% Jew because my dear poor Momma converted to the faith before I was ripped out of her womb Ceasar Style by an Egyptian doctor. I really think that the Jew-nose is more myth than fact. I do not know if you saw "Borat" but you should because it is funny as all get out. In Borat the Jew is depicted as having horns. That is an actual myth I could not believe it but I heard that it was true in Synagogue. Strangely enough, the hooked nose was prevalent on the Alsace-Lorraine side of my family and not on the Jewish side. My mother hoped I would not have a hooked nose and she was thrilled that I did not sport one when I was born.

It is ok to make fun of someone's appearance. People laugh at the caricatures in political cartoons that exagerrate the physical appearance of politicians. It is just wied to say someone has a "Jew Nose" when they do not have one.

It is ok to make fun of sluts too. They can break young men's hearts as they go about their slutty sexcapades. It is mean to call someone a slut or a ho if they arent.

Imus always seemed like a bit of a douchebag. I guess that is because I compare him to other great radio personalities like Howard Sterm and Rush Limbaugh.

Thanks for the link.

I am not sure that I know what nappy is but I suspect it is the tight curled hair of the Negroe. I know that a ho is a loose woman. If these girls were known for their loose ways, I guess it would be ok to call them names but I do not see what is so funny about the reference to the nappy (assuming that I am correct as to its meaning)

Based on your link, some of the girls had rather straight hair. I just do not get the joke.

The Jew nose or hooked nose is a pretty ugly trait. I am half Jewish but and half Alsace-Loarainne Lutheran. I really think that the Jew-nose is more myth than fact. Strangely enough, the hooked nose was prevalent on the Alsace-Lorraine side of my family and not on the Jewish side. My mother hoped I would not have a hooked nose and she was thrilled that I did not sport one when I was born.

It is ok to make fun of someone's appearance. People laugh at the caricatures in political cartoons that exagerrate the physical appearance of politicians. It is just wied to say someone has a "Jew Nose" when they do not have one.

It is ok to make fun of sluts too. They can break young men's hearts as they go about their slutty sexcapades. It is mean to call someone a slut or a ho if they arent.

Imus always seemed like a bit of a douchebag. I guess that is because I compare him to other great radio personalities like Howard Sterm and Rush Limbaugh.

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It is ok to make fun of sluts too. They can break young men's hearts as they go about their slutty sexcapades. It is mean to call someone a slut or a ho if they arent.There's a double standard at play, though, because if a man acts in that way, he's considered a stud or a player, and generally not looked down on. Calling a man a slut certainly doesn't carry the widespread stigma that calling a woman one does, even now.

Imus always seemed like a bit of a douchebag. I guess that is because I compare him to other great radio personalities like Howard Sterm and Rush Limbaugh.
It's not an unfair comparison. The question I've really been mulling over here for the last day or so, ever since I listened to the whole clip, is why no one is going after Imus's producer? He's the one who started the whole riff in the first place and egged Imus on. Imus fucked up, no doubt, but he was hardly alone in this.

Thanks for the link.

I am not sure that I know what nappy is but I suspect it is the tight curled hair of the Negroe. I know that a ho is a loose woman. If these girls were known for their loose ways, I guess it would be ok to call them names but I do not see what is so funny about the reference to the nappy (assuming that I am correct as to its meaning)

Based on your link, some of the girls had rather straight hair. I just do not get the joke.

The Jew nose or hooked nose is a pretty ugly trait. I am genetically half Jewish and half Alsace-Loarainne Lutheran. Not that it matters but I consider myself 100% Jew because my dear poor Momma converted to the faith before I was ripped out of her womb Ceasar Style by an Egyptian doctor. I really think that the Jew-nose is more myth than fact. I do not know if you saw "Borat" but you should because it is funny as all get out. In Borat the Jew is depicted as having horns. That is an actual myth I could not believe it but I heard that it was true in Synagogue. Strangely enough, the hooked nose was prevalent on the Alsace-Lorraine side of my family and not on the Jewish side. My mother hoped I would not have a hooked nose and she was thrilled that I did not sport one when I was born.

It is ok to make fun of someone's appearance. People laugh at the caricatures in political cartoons that exagerrate the physical appearance of politicians. It is just wied to say someone has a "Jew Nose" when they do not have one.

It is ok to make fun of sluts too. They can break young men's hearts as they go about their slutty sexcapades. It is mean to call someone a slut or a ho if they arent.

Imus always seemed like a bit of a douchebag. I guess that is because I compare him to other great radio personalities like Howard Sterm and Rush Limbaugh.

the "Joke" was not intended as an actual commentary on the women involved. imus knows nothing about the rutgers women's basketball team other than that they had a great season.

what he does is to say insulting things about people that we in the audience would never dare say (even if it were true). the shock of hearing someone say racist, sexist things about people is supposed to be funny. some days i suppose he can be funny with this kind of talk. that day he wasnt.

It's an irrelevancy of the first order. Why does it even matter?
Hell, if Al Sharpton actually gave a damn about Civil Rights, he would be raising this kind of stink about education, about getting more African-Americans into college and improving inner city schools, not some stupid, thoughtless remark on a "humor" radio show.

Of course, I'm a bit biased. Al Sharpton tried to rain on my parade, or more literally, stand his fat ass and greasy hair in the middle of the road of my parade, once, so I rather don't care for him.

Sharpton and Jackson are the biggest racist opportunists in the country. If there's a black person within 500 miles of some injustice they'll both be there to talk to the cameras. They don't really care about black people, they're more interested in media whoring. It'd be pathetic if it wasn't so damned obnoxious.

Don Imus needs to play, in its entirety, every day, Ice Cube's rap song "Gorillas in the Mist," which contains this gem of a line:

"Nappy headed niggas, coming out the fog, the smog, ice cube is my motherfuckin dog."

This will demonstrate the shysterism and the two-faced hypocrisy of the al sharpton jesse jackoff race-pimp rabblerouser mosquito pissant mob.

Sharpton and Jackson are the biggest racist opportunists in the country. If there's a black person within 500 miles of some injustice they'll both be there to talk to the cameras. They don't really care about black people, they're more interested in media whoring. It'd be pathetic if it wasn't so damned obnoxious.

Don Imus needs to play, in its entirety, every day, Ice Cube's rap song "Gorillas in the Mist," which contains this gem of a line:

"Nappy headed niggas, coming out the fog, the smog, ice cube is my motherfuckin dog."

This will demonstrate the shysterism and the two-faced hypocrisy of the al sharpton jesse jackoff race-pimp rabblerouser mosquito pissant mob.
I asked someone else earlier, and never replied, but I'll ask you two instead. Who would you find acceptable as a spokesperson for the African-American community, if not Jackson or Sharpton? Please, let that community know who you will accept as a reasonable substitute so they can work to please you.

I asked someone else earlier, and never replied, but I'll ask you two instead. Who would you find acceptable as a spokesperson for the African-American community, if not Jackson or Sharpton? Please, let that community know who you will accept as a reasonable substitute so they can work to please you.

Who nominated Jackson and Sharpton?

Who nominated Jackson and Sharpton?

Don't look at me; I nominated Bill Cosby. :(

Who nominated Jackson and Sharpton?

Hmmm. All the people who belong to the groups they've headed over the years, maybe? All the people who show up at protests when they head them, perhaps? It's not like Jackson and Sharpton lack cred inside their own communities, after all.

Don't get me wrong--I'm no great fan of either of them. They do have major character flaws as far as I'm concerned. But I'm not going to tell the African-American community that anything that those two men has to say is automatically discounted because I don't like them. That's as ignorant as everything else. We don't get to choose other peoples' spokespersons.

I asked someone else earlier, and never replied, but I'll ask you two instead. Who would you find acceptable as a spokesperson for the African-American community, if not Jackson or Sharpton? Please, let that community know who you will accept as a reasonable substitute so they can work to please you.

Bill Cosby, quite possibly the black public figure with his head on straightest.

Lets see, who else, maybe Barack Obama... or Oprah.

If i were black, you couldnt pay me enough to have al "jew down" sharpton or jesse jackson represent me, as if "black people" have or need a 'representative' to begin with.

Much less a walking joke like sharpton/jackson, with their race-pimp opportunism every time some idiot says something *gasp* offensive.

"Nappy headed niggas, coming out the fog, the smog, ice cube is my motherfucking dog" - Da Lench Mob << Where is the outrage, where is the demand for ass kissing appologies from Mr Cube?

That's as ignorant as everything else. We don't get to choose other peoples' spokespersons.

Maybe you can show me where 'black people' had a referendum, or whatever, and chose these clowns as their spokesmen? You know who chose jesse jackoff and al sharpton? JJ and Al, and their Don-King, Donalt-Trump noses for publicity and self-promotion.

Bill Cosby, quite possibly the black public figure with his head on straightest.

Lets see, who else, maybe Barack Obama... or Oprah.

If i were black, you couldnt pay me enough to have al "jew down" sharpton or jesse jackson represent me, as if "black people" have or need a 'representative' to begin with.

Much less a walking joke like sharpton/jackson, with their race-pimp opportunism every time some idiot says something *gasp* offensive.

"Nappy headed niggas, coming out the fog, the smog, ice cube is my motherfucking dog" - Da Lench Mob << Where is the outrage, where is the demand for ass kissing appologies from Mr Cube?
And so if the African-American community decided that they wanted Larry the Cable Guy to be the spokesperson for white America? As I said above--you don't get to choose other group's spokespeople.

Bill Cosby, quite possibly the black public figure with his head on straightest.

Lets see, who else, maybe Barack Obama... or Oprah.

If i were black, you couldnt pay me enough to have al "jew down" sharpton or jesse jackson represent me, as if "black people" have or need a 'representative' to begin with.

Much less a walking joke like sharpton/jackson, with their race-pimp opportunism every time some idiot says something *gasp* offensive.

"Nappy headed niggas, coming out the fog, the smog, ice cube is my motherfucking dog" - Da Lench Mob << Where is the outrage, where is the demand for ass kissing appologies from Mr Cube?

You have to understand the Sharpton/Jackson mentality. They can't speak against stupidity amongst their own community. They revel in ignorance, that's the only way people will support them. Just keep them dumb, and keep them blaming Whitey and there's always a place for Jackson and Sharpton. Why focus on education when you can bitch and cry about how you're being oppressed?

the trouble is that al sharpton and jesse jackson WANT the job and bill cosby, barrack obama and oprah DONT.

not that cosby, obama and winfrey dont advocate certain racial issues but they are busy people who dont make a point of taking up individual cases of injustice.

you might not like sharpton and jackson but until someone else steps up that is who we have who is willing to do the job.

Maybe you can show me where 'black people' had a referendum, or whatever, and chose these clowns as their spokesmen? You know who chose jesse jackoff and al sharpton? JJ and Al, and their Don-King, Donalt-Trump noses for publicity and self-promotion.

If they didn't convince people, they wouldn't have support. It's as simple as that. Why doesn't Armstrong Williams command that kind of respect as an African-American? It might pain you to have to admit this, but Jackson and Sharpton have credibility in that community, and they prove it every time they issue a call for public action and thousands of people respond.

If they didn't convince people, they wouldn't have support. It's as simple as that. Why doesn't Armstrong Williams command that kind of respect as an African-American? It might pain you to have to admit this, but Jackson and Sharpton have credibility in that community, and they prove it every time they issue a call for public action and thousands of people respond.

So does that make George Bush spokesman for the white community?

And so if the African-American community decided that they wanted Larry the Cable Guy to be the spokesperson for white America? As I said above--you don't get to choose other group's spokespeople.

They can say that all they want, and Larry the Cable guy can spend the rest of his life trying to be a race-pimp parasite every time there is any controversy in the news, and can elevate himself to JJ and Al's position of "self appointed racial spokesmanship."

Doesn't change the fact that like JJ an Al, he wouldn't actually be the 'spokesman for the race.'

I ask, when did they have a referendum declaring JJ and Al the 'spokesmen.'?

I have every right to consider sleazy people despicable, no matter what their pretensions to 'racial spokesmanship.'

the trouble is that al sharpton and jesse jackson WANT the job and bill cosby, barrack obama and oprah DONT.

not that cosby, obama and winfrey dont advocate certain racial issues but they are busy people who dont make a point of taking up individual cases of injustice.

you might not like sharpton and jackson but until someone else steps up that is who we have who is willing to do the job.

If the "job" is going through a comic routine every time someone says something dumb on tv or the radio, then it isnt a job that should even exist.

Don Imus should have appologized to the girls he insulted, and then said absolutely nothing at all to anyone, much less "Jew Down" Al the Race Pimp.

So does that make George Bush spokesman for the white community?

Ouchouchouchoohouchouchouch
*shifts in seat*

They aren't (http://patriotboy.blogspot.com/2007_04_08_archive.html#620221923492478826), but that's sort of beside the point. What if, instead of "nappy-headed ho's," he'd have called them "Jew-nosed sluts?" Would that have been equally offensive, or worse or less? Accuracy is the least matter of concern here.

unless of course,Imus is a Jew,in which case its alright.

They can say that all they want, and Larry the Cable guy can spend the rest of his life trying to be a race-pimp parasite every time there is any controversy in the news, and can elevate himself to JJ and Al's position of "self appointed racial spokesmanship."

Doesn't change the fact that like JJ an Al, he wouldn't actually be the 'spokesman for the race.'

I ask, when did they have a referendum declaring JJ and Al the 'spokesmen.'?

I have every right to consider sleazy people despicable, no matter what their pretensions to 'racial spokesmanship.'

My point--that you keep trying to dodge--is that they're not self-appointed. It seems like you keep repeating that in order to make them less noteworthy, but the fact is that when they ask people to show up and protest something, people show up. Members of their community show up. And you don't get to deny their position simply because you don't like them. I don't like George W. Bush, but I'd never deny that he's the current spokesman for the Republican party. He's still got supporters, he's still got credibility in that population. Same with Sharpton and Jackson.

One other thing--I don't believe that Jackson or Sharpton ever put themselves up as spokespeople for all African-Americans. It's people who denigrate them who make that claim most of the time, at least in my experience.

So does that make George Bush spokesman for the white community?

For some in the white community. Not me. Not even the majority of white people in the US. But for some, certainly.

Nappy headed hos is offensive? That's a kind greeting where I live (an hour from Rutgers).

If the "job" is going through a comic routine every time someone says something dumb on tv or the radio, then it isnt a job that should even exist.

Don Imus should have appologized to the girls he insulted, and then said absolutely nothing at all to anyone, much less "Jew Down" Al the Race Pimp.

sorry, the job needs doing. i see nothing wrong in making the point that its wrong to attack a women's basketball team for no reason other than that imus thought it would be funny.

does al sharpton get on my nerves? you bet he does. for all the same reasons he gets on your nerves. that doesnt mean i get to decide that he cant do this job. when the black community gets sick of al sharpton, im sure they will let everyone know it.

One other thing--I don't believe that Jackson or Sharpton ever put themselves up as spokespeople for all African-Americans. It's people who denigrate them who make that claim most of the time, at least in my experience.

I don't deny that Al and JJ have followers, who will go out and make a ruckus on command, but their pretension to being able to accept an apology and mete forgiveness in the name of all black people is ludicrous.

"Broadcasters" like Don Imus and Howard Stern never impressed me, and more specifically, I found them both to be spectacularly unfunny. I stopped listening to them both (which I never did to any real extent) over a decade ago.

But when this story broke, I took the care to listen to the whole 55 seconds of what Imus and his sidekick said. Not only did Imus refer to the Rutger's Women's Basketball team as "Nappy Headed Hos," the person on the air with him called them "Jigaboos," which for the uninitiated, is a very deliberate racial slur against blacks that originated in the deep south.

So, to me it is no longer about Imus being unfunny or just plain bad at being funny. He and his producer, Bernard McGuirk have been getting away with vile stuff like this for years. If he were a small market radio oddity, he would have been fired years ago and be virtually unemployable.

The radio show lost two major advertisers yesterday, and folks on the inside figure Imus will lose his TV show at the minimum after it is all said and done.

It should have happened long ago.

So does that make George Bush spokesman for the white community?

For some in the white community. Not me. Not even the majority of white people in the US. But for some, certainly.

george bush doesnt even claim to be a spokesman for the white community nor does anyone think of him that way.

george bush speaks for the united states of america.

*shudder*

"Nappy headed niggas, coming out the fog, the smog, ice cube is my motherfuckin dog."

This will demonstrate the shysterism and the two-faced hypocrisy of the al sharpton jesse jackoff race-pimp rabblerouser mosquito pissant mob.
Scrabble Double Letter Score in there someawheres. +1

A major problem here is making this an issue amongst African Americans when there are so many other issues that are REALLY hurting them.

If the same time,money and attention were added to security and teaching in schools, many problems could be solved and many opporotunities made.

Instead,we have people whipping up hate and emotion where there really isnt any,which is hurting blacks and whites alike.

Look-we have black girls that were going to school and playing a sport a week ago now in the spotlight for a really bad reason, and pitting them against some old douche on his way out that they never heard of.

And they have whites tired and angry of sharpton and jackson in our faces again, threatening and challenging as if we support,condone and defend stupidity.

People should turn their backs on sharpton and jackson-stop rallying with them-they need bodies around them to validate their stupidity.

Imus should say to the girls team-"Look-I'm truly sorry-bad joke,never intended to be ugly".
Maybe he could suggest they sponsor a BBQ fundraiser out at his ranch to benefit his charities and the girl's team together-Bring the two parties together instead of pit them against each other.
He could say he is sorry and they could accept-both with some dignity and class.

instead of getting in the pig slop with sharpton and jackson.

george bush doesnt even claim to be a spokesman for the white community nor does anyone think of him that way.

george bush speaks for the united states of america.

*shudder*
Don't misunderestimate him, though.
Fool him twice, shame on ... shame on ... can't get fooled again.


As for Imus, how about the cincher?

http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/ny-etimus0410,0,2299536.story?coll=ny-entertainment-headlines
"Don't you think I'm humiliated?" Imus said. "Don't you think I'm embarrassed? Don't you think I understand?"

At one point, he angrily exclaimed to guest Rep. Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick -- a Michigan Democrat and member of the House Appropriations Committee as well as chairwoman of the Congressional Black Caucus -- "I can't get anywhere with you people."

Sharpton then jumped in, saying, "Who is 'you people?'"

Imus countered: "That's jive -- I mean you two people.

Imus for the win?

But when this story broke, I took the care to listen to the whole 55 seconds of what Imus and his sidekick said. Not only did Imus refer to the Rutger's Women's Basketball team as "Nappy Headed Hos," the person on the air with him called them "Jigaboos," which for the uninitiated, is a very deliberate racial slur against blacks that originated in the deep south.

So, to me it is no longer about Imus being unfunny or just plain bad at being funny. He and his producer, Bernard McGuirk have been getting away with vile stuff like this for years. If he were a small market radio oddity, he would have been fired years ago and be virtually unemployable.



It struck me too that the guy saying jigaboos was quite a bit more racist than the 'nappy headed hos' comment, which is just repeating what young people commonly say anyway. Jigaboo is on par with "******" in my opinion.

ONe has to wonder why this McGuirk idiot isnt being held up to the burner, probably because he isnt famous or rich enough for the race-pimps to extort anything from. Not a big enough 'big white man' to wreck his career.

People should turn their backs on sharpton and jackson-stop rallying with them-they need bodies around them to validate their stupidity.

Imus should say to the girls team-"Look-I'm truly sorry-bad joke,never intended to be ugly".
Maybe he could suggest they sponsor a BBQ fundraiser out at his ranch to benefit his charities and the girl's team together-Bring the two parties together instead of pit them against each other.
He could say he is sorry and they could accept-both with some dignity and class.

instead of getting in the pig slop with sharpton and jackson.

Exactly, people need to start flat-out ignoring those two goons whenever this kind of thing happens. No interview with them, no response to anything they say, just appologize to whoever was directly offended, and move on.

Lets not forget-Imus and his producer arent pretending to be Edward R.Murrow or Walter Cronkite.

They are trying to be comedians,shock jocks. We do have free speech.

They didnt suggest anyone harm anyone else.

They arent on par with rap songs glorifying smacking bitches down or having shootouts with police.

They said words, How many more words do you want banned and how many words do you want banned only for certain people?

If Imus and MSNBC didnt have money,this wouldnt be an issue.

If I ever get on the radio I'm going to list off every ethnic slur/degrading term known to man and then say: "If you've been offended then change the fucking station and never listen again."

If I ever get on the radio I'm going to list off every ethnic slur/degrading term known to man and then say: "If you've been offended then change the fucking station and never listen again."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/parenting/images/300/baby_crying_closeup.jpg

Lets not forget-Imus and his producer arent pretending to be Edward R.Murrow or Walter Cronkite.

They are trying to be comedians,shock jocks. We do have free speech.

They didnt suggest anyone harm anyone else.

They arent on par with rap songs glorifying smacking bitches down or having shootouts with police.

They said words, How many more words do you want banned and how many words do you want banned only for certain people?

If Imus and MSNBC didnt have money,this wouldnt be an issue.


Spot-on.

A lifetime of don imus calling basketball players 'nappy headed' wouldnt do as much damage to black america as the next shit-for-brains "lets all be criminals and scum" rap song to hit the top 40.

Yet, JJ and Al do nothing. The main problem with 'black culture' today is the blacks who are allowed to define it - not the big ole mean ole white man.

Shut down the culture-of-failure rap music and start building stable families and getting an education.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/parenting/images/300/baby_crying_closeup.jpg

Shoo fly don't bother me.

Shoo fly don't bother me.

Gimme some sugar, baby.

http://www.scienceinpublic.com/2004/CESAR/images%20of%20blow%20fly%20and%20phil/fly%20head%20close%20up.jpg

It struck me too that the guy saying jigaboos was quite a bit more racist than the 'nappy headed hos' comment, which is just repeating what young people commonly say anyway. Jigaboo is on par with "******" in my opinion.

ONe has to wonder why this McGuirk idiot isnt being held up to the burner,I've wondered this twice in this thread myself.

Spot-on.

A lifetime of don imus calling basketball players 'nappy headed' wouldnt do as much damage to black america as the next shit-for-brains "lets all be criminals and scum" rap song to hit the top 40.

Yet, JJ and Al do nothing. The main problem with 'black culture' today is the blacks who are allowed to define it - not the big ole mean ole white man.

Shut down the culture-of-failure rap music and start building stable families and getting an education.Who else should be defining that culture? "White Man's Burden" went out of fashion a long time ago.

Oh, and the biggest purchasers of what you call the "culture of failure" rap music? White teens.

Who else should be defining that culture? "White Man's Burden" went out of fashion a long time ago.

Evidently, blacks don't want Bill Cosby to define it either. They seem to prefer Sharpton's celebration of victimhood and outrageous racism.

Who else should be defining that culture? "White Man's Burden" went out of fashion a long time ago.

Oh, and the biggest purchasers of what you call the "culture of failure" rap music? White teens.

White teens may be buying it, but they arent emulating it, at least to the proportion that black kids are. Poor white people often end up failing too, but their role models arent drug dealers and pimps.

Who else should be defining that culture? Smart black people, of course.

White teens may be buying it, but they arent emulating it, at least to the proportion that black kids are. Poor white people often end up failing too, but their role models arent drug dealers and pimps.

Who else should be defining that culture? Smart black people, of course.

So every black person who agrees, even in part, with Sharpton and/or Jackson is, in your opinion, dumb? I'm sure they'll be glad to hear it.

So every black person who agrees, even in part, with Sharpton and/or Jackson is, in your opinion, dumb? I'm sure they'll be glad to hear it.

non sequitur

Evidently, blacks don't want Bill Cosby to define it either. They seem to prefer Sharpton's celebration of victimhood and outrageous racism.

Bill Cosby-even though he's a racist and a phoney- doesnt justify bad behavior when someone feels they've been wronged.
He seems to preach to people to better themselves and be responsible.

Now Sharpton and Jackson directly or indirectly make sure people feel they have been wronged and make them feel justified to go out "wilding" or vandalizing or destroying- Or stabbing a boy to death with a crowd chanting "Kill the Jew".

So-though I dont like Bill Cosby much,I do give him credit for attaining the height he has and speaking out to his audience on how to improve themselves and make and accept opporotunities.

You never have Bill Cosby speak,then have police cars flipped and burned outside.

non sequitur

You said smart black people should be defining the culture, and yet you are railing against Sharpton as a "race pimp" which insinuates that he is, at least in part, defining the culture, along with rap artists, apparently. So it seems to me that you're arguing that people who look to Sharpton and/or rap artists are not part of the "smart black community." If I've mischaracterized something here, please explain.

You never have Bill Cosby speak,then have police cars flipped and burned outside.

Jackson and Sharpton speak in public all the time and that doesn't happen either. Hell, Sharpton has a radio show, and yet there seems to be a dearth of flipped and burning police cars. What gives?

Bill Cosby-even though he's a racist and a phoney- doesnt justify bad behavior when someone feels they've been wronged.
He seems to preach to people to better themselves and be responsible.

Now Sharpton and Jackson directly or indirectly make sure people feel they have been wronged and make them feel justified to go out "wilding" or vandalizing or destroying- Or stabbing a boy to death with a crowd chanting "Kill the Jew".

So-though I dont like Bill Cosby much,I do give him credit for attaining the height he has and speaking out to his audience on how to improve themselves and make and accept opporotunities.

You never have Bill Cosby speak,then have police cars flipped and burned outside.


Indeed, Cosby isnt afraid to say the truth, that the problem with black society is the way black people behave, not the white man keeping them down.

On the other hand, JJ and Al are of the school that "oh my de god! we done been victimized again! You powerful victimizin white man better appologize to us poor blacks fo keepin us down! Appologize!"

Asking for an appology for this kind of stuff is weakness, being offended is being in a position of weakness.

A more accurate term than race-pimps is 'victimhood-pimps,' and they are a cancer on black society.

So every black person who agrees, even in part, with Sharpton and/or Jackson is, in your opinion, dumb? I'm sure they'll be glad to hear it.


I think people that listen to Sharpton/Jackson and let their brand of "No Justice No Peace" bullshit take advantage of them are dumb.


meanwhile,we could all learn a lesson from Oprah,Colin Powell,Condi Rice-even Bill Cosby-as well as numerous other responsibly and well spoken black people.

I dont think any of us-black or white-are learning much from Sharpton or Jackson-except hate,fear,suspicion,and division. They arent really helping blacks in any way-they may be standing next to a mother that wins money in a wrongful death suit when her child is killed, but they arent promoting blacks or helping them get ahead as a group.
I see them hardening whites against blacks. When I see them speaking out or calling for this or for that, the issue is automatically less important to me due to their association.

You said smart black people should be defining the culture, and yet you are railing against Sharpton as a "race pimp" which insinuates that he is, at least in part, defining the culture, along with rap artists, apparently. So it seems to me that you're arguing that people who look to Sharpton and/or rap artists are not part of the "smart black community." If I've mischaracterized something here, please explain.

I was referring to rap music, not to sharpton/JJ, though in their despicable victimhood-pimping they do to some degree.

Anyone who takes as his role model a drug dealing hoodlum pimp rapper who glorifies the same is stupid, I will say that unequivocally.

This is obviously a far cry from your bizzare non sequitur that "every black person who agrees, even in part, with Sharpton and/or Jackson is, in your opinion, dumb." ergo, non sequitur

Indeed, Cosby isnt afraid to say the truth, that the problem with black society is the way black people behave, not the white man keeping them down.

On the other hand, JJ and Al are of the school that "oh my de god! we done been victimized again! You powerful victimizin white man better appologize to us poor blacks fo keepin us down! Appologize!"

Asking for an appology for this kind of stuff is weakness, being offended is being in a position of weakness.

A more accurate term than race-pimps is 'victimhood-pimps,' and they are a cancer on black society.
So black people aren't still being victimized by a prejudiced system? Really?

Wake up. The single greatest advantage you can be born with in the US is being born white and male. You'll get called back on job interviews more often, you'll be more likely to get a reduced sentence if you get convicted of a crime, you'll be less likely to be pulled over by a cop, and you'll make more money, on average, over the course of your career.

I see them hardening whites against blacks. When I see them speaking out or calling for this or for that, the issue is automatically less important to me due to their association.
Then, no offense, you're stupid. They are, like nearly every other political figure, guilty of occasional overstatement. But dismissing the cause they try to bring attention to because they're the ones bringing attention to it is like supporting the Iraq War because you don't like Cindy Sheehan.

Jackson and Sharpton speak in public all the time and that doesn't happen either. Hell, Sharpton has a radio show, and yet there seems to be a dearth of flipped and burning police cars. What gives?

When there is an issue that they can get heated up, there is often violence and destruction of some sort.

Imus talks all day everyday for years and most people have never even heard of him. That doesnt mean he hasnt been a jackass the whole time.

They are often the catalyst for bad behavior. Have they smartened up since the last time? A little.

When there is an issue that they can get heated up, there is often violence and destruction of some sort.

Imus talks all day everyday for years and most people have never even heard of him. That doesnt mean he hasnt been a jackass the whole time.

They are often the catalyst for bad behavior. Have they smartened up since the last time? A little.

I'm sure you can provide some evidence of the above charge against Sharpton and Jackson. I'll be waiting.

So black people aren't still being victimized by a prejudiced system? Really?

Wake up. The single greatest advantage you can be born with in the US is being born white and male. You'll get called back on job interviews more often, you'll be more likely to get a reduced sentence if you get convicted of a crime, you'll be less likely to be pulled over by a cop, and you'll make more money, on average, over the course of your career.

There is more to that advantage than simply "whites are racially superior" racism, there is also the "if he's white, then he was probably raised better / more trustworthy &c" sort of racism, and this is based on the perceptions caused by rap music, the culture of victimhood, culture of failure, &c.

You can fire a white employee without him being able to claim he's a victim of racism, you dont need to worry about him having grown up learning doing good work in school was "acting white," don't need to worry about him being raised to view blacks and whites as adversaries, as being in need of an appology every time he is the 'victim' of being 'offended.'

I'm not saying that these kinds of criteria are fair or right, but they are a real part of the real world, and they can be dealt with by black people only when black people deal with the roots of the perceptions that inform them.

Then, no offense, you're stupid. They are, like nearly every other political figure, guilty of occasional overstatement. But dismissing the cause they try to bring attention to because they're the ones bringing attention to it is like supporting the Iraq War because you don't like Cindy Sheehan.

No-I'm honest. They arent political figures- they are worse. They are parasites on the people they pretend to be standing for.

I dont dismiss the cause at all. I admitted its worth less to me when they are spouting off about it.

Dont feel the need to name-call because you cant grasp what I'm saying. I often disagree with your point of view, but have somehow managed not to label you for what I feel you are.

There is more to that advantage than simply "whites are racially superior" racism, there is also the "if he's white, then he was probably raised better / more trustworthy &c" sort of racism, and this is based on the perceptions caused by rap music, the culture of victimhood, culture of failure, &c.

You can fire a white employee without him being able to claim he's a victim of racism, you dont need to worry about him having grown up learning doing good work in school was "acting white," don't need to worry about him being raised to view blacks and whites as adversaries, as being in need of an appology every time he is the 'victim' of being 'offended.'

I'm not saying that these kinds of criteria are fair or right, but they are a real part of the real world, and they can be dealt with by black people only when black people deal with the roots of the perceptions that inform them.

A larger part of the real world when it comes to this discussion has to do with the ways schools are funded in this country, and once those kids get out of school, the ways that employers view minorities. There was a story not long ago that showed when a black male with a clean record and the same experience as a white male with a criminal record applied for the same job, the while male got more callbacks for a second interview. White males with a clean record were called back the most, by far. That's institutionalized racism, and all the rap music and "acting white" and "playing the victim" bullshit doesn't change that. And this is nothing new. Whether you want to believe it or not, the Sharptons of this world do us a service, because they make certain that if people are going to lie to themselves about race relations in this country, that everyone knows it's a lie.

I'm sure you can provide some evidence of the above charge against Sharpton and Jackson. I'll be waiting.

Its well known,but you know how to google-I'm not here to do your homework.

You could start with Crown Heights and Freddy's Fashion Mart.

Its well known,but you know how to google-I'm not here to do your homework.

You could start with Crown Heights and Freddy's Fashion Mart.
12 years ago? I was hoping for something a little more recent. I mean, if that's all you've got, then it's all you've got, but Sharpton's done a lot of public speaking since then.

A larger part of the real world when it comes to this discussion has to do with the ways schools are funded in this country, and once those kids get out of school, the ways that employers view minorities. There was a story not long ago that showed when a black male with a clean record and the same experience as a white male with a criminal record applied for the same job, the while male got more callbacks for a second interview. White males with a clean record were called back the most, by far. That's institutionalized racism, and all the rap music and "acting white" and "playing the victim" bullshit doesn't change that. And this is nothing new. Whether you want to believe it or not, the Sharptons of this world do us a service, because they make certain that if people are going to lie to themselves about race relations in this country, that everyone knows it's a lie.


It doesnt change it though, a lot of the 'institutionalized racism' stems from the culture of failure/victimhood.

Lets say I run a company, and I need all of my employees to be the best I can get, so that they can all be assets and do well for my company and make a lot of money for me.

It may not be above-board, but when the stakes are high, I have to think about every angle when I hire someone, and one of the things that I have to think about is: "did this kid grow up learning from his friends that doing well is 'acting white' and failing is 'acting black,' and has this stuck with him?

Also, is this guy accustomed to having a tantrum and playing the victim when things don't go his way, like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton? Will he sue my company on some BS trumped up charge of racism? Will he always want an appology?

Was he raised to be responsible? Did he have a father or a 'baby daddy?' What kind of role models did he have growing up? Does he have a grudge against white people because AL Sharpton and Jesse Jackson taught him that black problems are white peoples fault, and the powerful white man needs to appologize when he offends the weak black man?

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None of this is based in any racist notion of superiority or inferiorty, it all refers to the perceptions of black culture and upbringing which we see again and again in black music, media, and "spokesmen."

Because these perceptions are all based in behavior, the behavior can change the the perceptions can change. A true-blue racist isnt going to like an indian any more than a black or a chinese, but those people aren't associated with the same behavior as black people in america.

There is no indian al sharpton or jesse jackson making their people appear to be more a potential liability than an asset.

Again, I argue this all from the position of devil's advocate, since it is a fact of life, even if it isnt right or fair.

12 years ago? I was hoping for something a little more recent. I mean, if that's all you've got, then it's all you've got, but Sharpton's done a lot of public speaking since then.

Ah, so we're supposed to forget about Sharpton's unbridled lunacy.

We're supposed to forget his trumpeting of the false allegations in the Brawley case. The jury found Sharpton liable for making seven defamatory statements about the prosecutor, Pagones.

And we're supposed to forget his inciteful hatred towards Jews during the Crown Heights event. Or his racist references he repeatedly made about Jews and "Hymietown".

And we'll forget about him screwing his purported charges by involving himself with advertising for LoanMax, a company that specialized in economic brutalization of poor urban blacks.

You know, if a white guy had done even one of those things, it would be the end of his career as a public figure. But Sharpton keeps going - precisely because you keep giving him the nod to do so.

Bill Cosby-even though he's a racist and a phoney- doesnt justify bad behavior when someone feels they've been wronged.
He seems to preach to people to better themselves and be responsible.

Now Sharpton and Jackson directly or indirectly make sure people feel they have been wronged and make them feel justified to go out "wilding" or vandalizing or destroying- Or stabbing a boy to death with a crowd chanting "Kill the Jew".

So-though I dont like Bill Cosby much,I do give him credit for attaining the height he has and speaking out to his audience on how to improve themselves and make and accept opporotunities.

You never have Bill Cosby speak,then have police cars flipped and burned outside.

I think that Bill Cosby is a pretty level headed guy. I would not call him a racist or a phoney. I would just call him a pretty reasonable guy. It is a shame that his son was murdered, probably by an Al Sharpton supporter (i.e. Thug yo!).

http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/04/09/imus.ap/index.html

This story is starting to annoy me to no end.

Have we truly become so sterile in America that we have to make a mountain out of this molehill? :rolleyes:

He made fun of basketball players who happened to be black and female? I think this guy made a big mistake, but he seems a little jumped on, like Howard Dean.

12 years ago? I was hoping for something a little more recent. I mean, if that's all you've got, then it's all you've got, but Sharpton's done a lot of public speaking since then.

All I've got? No-thats all Sharpton's got. He is an opportunist low-life waiting for his people to suffer a loss so he can profit from it.

A couple of riots where innocent people died as a direct result of incited needless violence isnt enough for you?

Its no surprise to me, but what you've exposed with your casual and smug indifference to the period of time that passed is really special.

Yes-he has continued to spout his racist stupidity since then. He does little to hide his anti semitism. He just hasnt had something good enough to whip into a violent mass hysteria.

He is working on it.

I think that Bill Cosby is a pretty level headed guy. I would not call him a racist or a phoney. I would just call him a pretty reasonable guy. It is a shame that his son was murdered, probably by an Al Sharpton supporter (i.e. Thug yo!).

He wasnt exactly level headed during the Tawana Brawley charade. He assumed she was in fact,a victim and made statements that he hasnt taken back.

I dont hold it against him, I just never liked the guy much. Still a tragedy to hear he lost a son-I dont remember that.

It is becoming apparent that Imus and McGuirk are being given more leeway than their colleagues. Three times in two days I have heard or read about both white and black colleagues of Imus at BOTH MSNBC and CBS, express the personal opinion that Imus and McGuirk need to go and have needed to go for years.

I am an artist, an actor by profession. It is a very subjective thing to say, censor or fire Imus. Yet, I think Don Imus and Brian McGuirk have to go. They crossed the line, and have done so for years. It stops being art (comedy) when it becomes hurtful of others who are...for lack of a better term, innocents.

To call college age girls "nappy headed ho's" because they are black, female and sport tatoos is childish, tasteless, unfunny and hurtful. To not defend them when your sidekick calls them "jigaboos" makes the matter worse.

I will give you a personal example. Dennis Miller used to be very witty, cynical and played no favorites in his comedy, he didn't go after anyone in particular, he usually went after a concept. Then somewhere along the line, he changed and became nasty, hurtful and very one-sided, his comedy started taking on the tone of a personal diatribe and his rants became an opportunity for him to be nasty about individuals he didn't agree with politically. In other words, he lost it. It stopped being about comedy and started being about himself.

He has the perfect right to do this. But I stopped categorizing Dennis as a comedian when he crossed that line.

Don Imus is NOT a radio comedian, he is a talk show hack with a producer who needs to be run out of the business on a rail for simply being a nasty human being. He joins the vast crowd of "nastygram" radio talk show hosts that do nothing but smear folks, rather than discuss an issue and encourage dialogue.

They exist on both sides of the political fence.

I still fail to see why anyone thinks 'nappy-headed hos' is a racist comment. There's nothing racial about any of the words there.

Pah. We had Maggie Thatcher. We win. :p

Bah, we unleashed Rupert Murdoch onto the world. He is like a fifth branch of state (media) that has been corrupting the U.S.A, U.K and Australia's governments. We win (sadly) :( .

I still fail to see why anyone thinks 'nappy-headed hos' is a racist comment. There's nothing racial about any of the words there.

Nappy-headed refers somewhat disparagingly to black people, even though it is something they commonly say among themselves. :rolleyes:

"nappy headed niggas, coming out the fog, the smog, ice cube is my mothafuckin dog" - Da Lench Mob, Gorillas in the Mist.

Nappy-headed refers somewhat disparagingly to black people, even though it is something they commonly say among themselves. :rolleyes:

"nappy headed niggas, coming out the fog, the smog, ice cube is my mothafuckin dog" - Da Lench Mob, Gorillas in the Mist.
But it's a literal descriptor. It's not even race-specific; anyone can be nappy-headed.

That's like calling me racist for pointing out that an all-black basketball team is tall.

But it's a literal descriptor. It's not even race-specific; anyone can be nappy-headed.

That's like calling me racist for pointing out that an all-black basketball team is tall.

Bullshit.

The Oxford English Dictionary says:

3. (Sense 2) nappy-haired, -headed adjs. nappy head U.S. slang (derogatory), a black person.

I think derogatory slang for black people counts as a racial statement.

Bullshit.

The Oxford English Dictionary says:

3. (Sense 2) nappy-haired, -headed adjs. nappy head U.S. slang (derogatory), a black person.

I think derogatory slang for black people counts as a racial statement.
Sense 2 of definition 3? Right, it's really clear he meant exactly that.

Again I assert, anyone could be nappy-headed.

Sense 2 of definition 3? Right, it's really clear he meant exactly that.

Again I assert, anyone could be nappy-headed.

Sigh. Nice try. I should have known you'd pull that shit.

Here is the entire set of definitions for nappy (adj.):

I. General uses.

1. Of cloth: having a nap, downy. Also in extended use.

2. U.S. slang (freq. derogatory.). Of hair, esp. that of a black person: frizzy.

II. Special uses.

3. (Sense 2) nappy-haired, -headed adjs. nappy head U.S. slang (derogatory), a black person.

First, note that use of nappy to describe hair is frequently derogatory and especially refers to hair of black people.

Second, note that the phrase "nappy-headed" has one meaning -- derogatory slang for a black person.

That is exactly what Imus meant.

I stand corrected. My familiarity with US racial slang is unsurprisingly lacking (given that I come from a place with no black people).

Apparently the good for nothing cowards at MSNBC have canned Don Imus.

Score another one for the victim-pimps. Another step backward for black america.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/04/09/imus.ap/index.html

This story is starting to annoy me to no end.

Have we truly become so sterile in America that we have to make a mountain out of this molehill? :rolleyes:

Yes we have. Honestly I think he could have said a lot worse things and I do have to give to the bball team for not getting out of hand. If only Sharpy Sharpton were like them and just kept his mouth shut...

He wasnt exactly level headed during the Tawana Brawley charade. He assumed she was in fact,a victim and made statements that he hasnt taken back.

I dont hold it against him, I just never liked the guy much. Still a tragedy to hear he lost a son-I dont remember that.

Who is Tawana Brawley? Was she the girl that cried rape on the Duke lacrosse team? Cosby's son was found murdered by the side of the highway in California. I am not sure if he had car trouble and was murdered or if he stopped to help someone with car trouble and was murdered. It was a heinous crime. It seemed pretty cold-blooded from what I can remember.

But where's the humor in calling a women's basketball team a bunch of nappy-headed ho's? Radio comedians should dare to be provocative, sure, but their first duty is to be funny. And I don't think the comment itself is front page news, but the reaction? A stretch perhaps, but it's certainly worth a mention.

If you listen to the segment where he made the comment you can tell he wasn't serious about it. From the demeanor in his voice and the way it was a passing comment.
This is a big deal about nothing. All comedians tell racist and raunchy jokes. Imus is being singled out by the PC crowd for special punishment just because some political action groups don't like being criticized or joked about.
Yeah, MSNBC is pulling Imus and Obama won't appear on his shows. But they'll broadcast and appear on shows where the hosts are a lot worse than Imus. Total hypocrisy.

Who is Tawana Brawley? Was she the girl that cried rape on the Duke lacrosse team? Cosby's son was found murdered by the side of the highway in California. I am not sure if he had car trouble and was murdered or if he stopped to help someone with car trouble and was murdered. It was a heinous crime. It seemed pretty cold-blooded from what I can remember.


Tawana Brawley was a 15 year old girl at the center of a hoax,similar to the Duke rape case.
Tremendous fallout as well as vulture-like opportunists trying hard to give the races more reasons to divide.

Criminals profitted,innocent people were taken advantage of,courts mocked and racism both ways was fueled.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawana_Brawley



I have a vague recollection of Bill Cosby's son being murdered but I think I am confusing it with Michael Jordan's father too? Wasnt he murdered around the same time? Two tragedys I dont remember being solved.

Apparently the good for nothing cowards at MSNBC have canned Don Imus.

Score another one for the victim-pimps. Another step backward for black america.

In the meantime, "Savage" Weiner, Coulter"geist" and Limblob go unchecked ...

The American left is cheering today. They`ll probably break open the jug wine and cheer that Jews are dying. They can tear off their masks once and for all and show themselves to be what they really are, which is the Nazis of our time.

In the meantime, "Savage" Weiner, Coulter"geist" and Limblob go unchecked ...

Savage would make a shame and a mockery of JJ and Al if they dared to whine about him.

He doesnt make racial jokes, he makes painful observations, and he does it deliberately.

Bear in mind though, michael savage did have an MSNBC show that got canned, but it was over this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sdtw-WDSzzI

Savage would make a shame and a mockery of JJ and Al if they dared to whine about him.

He doesnt make racial jokes, he makes painful observations, and he does it deliberately.

Bear in mind though, michael savage did have an MSNBC show that got canned, but it was over this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sdtw-WDSzzII remember.
His painful observations are obviously myopic, twisted and pathological on a regular basis. Keep in mind, of course, what kind of philosophies he espouses considering his background ...
Savage spent many years researching botany in the South Pacific and has a background in alternative medicine.

In the early 1970s, Savage had more liberal political views. Savage, then Michael Weiner, introduced himself to part of the literary scene in North Beach, San Francisco. He befriended and traveled with Beat generation poets Allen Ginsberg and Lawrence Ferlinghetti. Neoconservative scholar Stephen Schwartz, also an acquaintance of Savage from this time, reported that Savage once posed naked in a photograph with Ginsberg while swimming in Hawaii and used the photograph as sort of a "calling card."[8][10] One such letter describes an encounter with a black man, interpreted by some as sexual in nature.[11] Savage has denied the nature of the letter, claiming that it is part of a "smear campaign" by "gay fascists."[11] Another acquaintance of Savage from this time was poet and author Neeli Cherkovski who says that Weiner had dreamed of becoming a stand-up comic in the mold of Lenny Bruce.[8][10] During this time Savage also worked for famous psychedelic drug advocate Timothy Leary.
A funny article on him here, too :
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2003/03/05/savage/

Twisted seems accurate to me, obvious extension to the ravages of time, paycheck, alcohol, and whichever drugs he's moved on from.

Savage would make a shame and a mockery of JJ and Al if they dared to whine about him.

He doesnt make racial jokes, he makes painful observations, and he does it deliberately.

Bear in mind though, michael savage did have an MSNBC show that got canned, but it was over this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sdtw-WDSzzI

Savage is an unmitigated asshole. He is a jackass of herculean proportions. The real Nazi between the political left and Savage, is Savage.

Unlike unmoderated or mildly moderated chat boards, all broadcasters have a responsibility to know that there are some areas out of bounds. Why is this? Because we as a community, conservative and liberal both, demand adherence to an ethical standard out of our broadcasters. You know, professionalism?

Savage, Limbaugh, Coulter, Hannity and many others fail that litmus test, but broadcasters have been gutless about removing them from the airwaves. It's not like that fearsome foursome has not provided enough evidence against themselves by the crap they spew on a daily basis.

I don't mind conservative opinion. I don't mind liberal opinion. It is when they use their pulpits to insult, inflame and preach hatred that I take exception.

Savage boy has been needing his ass kicked out of radio for a long time, the fact that you admire this gutless, hate spewing coward for anything is deserving of nothing but my deepest and richest contempt. Being from the deep south of the US I can tell you I have met many a Klansman that would deeply appreciate Savage boy's positions on many things.

How does that square with you? Anyone else here admire Michael Savage? Hmm?

Imus got what he deserved, he and his producer have been practically daring their bosses to dump them for years. I shed no tears for them.

Savage is an unmitigated asshole. He is a jackass of herculean proportions. The real Nazi between the political left and Savage, is Savage.

Unlike unmoderated or mildly moderated chat boards, all broadcasters have a responsibility to know that there are some areas out of bounds. Why is this? Because we as a community, conservative and liberal both, demand adherence to an ethical standard out of our broadcasters. You know, professionalism?

Savage, Limbaugh, Coulter, Hannity and many others fail that litmus test, but broadcasters have been gutless about removing them from the airwaves. It's not like that fearsome foursome has not provided enough evidence against themselves by the crap they spew on a daily basis.

I don't mind conservative opinion. I don't mind liberal opinion. It is when they use their pulpits to insult, inflame and preach hatred that I take exception.

Savage boy has been needing his ass kicked out of radio for a long time, the fact that you admire this gutless, hate spewing coward for anything is deserving of nothing but my deepest and richest contempt. Being from the deep south of the US I can tell you I have met many a Klansman that would deeply appreciate Savage boy's positions on many things.

How does that square with you? Anyone else here admire Michael Savage? Hmm?

Imus got what he deserved, he and his producer have been practically daring their bosses to dump them for years. I shed no tears for them.
Wow. :eek:

Savage is an unmitigated asshole. He is a jackass of herculean proportions. The real Nazi between the political left and Savage, is Savage.

Unlike unmoderated or mildly moderated chat boards, all broadcasters have a responsibility to know that there are some areas out of bounds. Why is this? Because we as a community, conservative and liberal both, demand adherence to an ethical standard out of our broadcasters. You know, professionalism?

Savage, Limbaugh, Coulter, Hannity and many others fail that litmus test, but broadcasters have been gutless about removing them from the airwaves. It's not like that fearsome foursome has not provided enough evidence against themselves by the crap they spew on a daily basis.

I don't mind conservative opinion. I don't mind liberal opinion. It is when they use their pulpits to insult, inflame and preach hatred that I take exception.

Savage boy has been needing his ass kicked out of radio for a long time, the fact that you admire this gutless, hate spewing coward for anything is deserving of nothing but my deepest and richest contempt. Being from the deep south of the US I can tell you I have met many a Klansman that would deeply appreciate Savage boy's positions on many things.

How does that square with you? Anyone else here admire Michael Savage? Hmm?

Imus got what he deserved, he and his producer have been practically daring their bosses to dump them for years. I shed no tears for them.

Mike savage is a very smart man, he also happens to be a rambling maniac.

It is unfair to put him in the category with rush limbaugh, sean hannity and anne coulter, who are political hacks and mouthpieces.

You will be hard pressed finding anyone who hates george bush more than michael savage, or has more public invective for him. His program is genuinely entertaining sometimes, it is like listening to the ravings of an angry bum.

The absurdity of the vicious crazy shit that comes out of michael savage's mouth is what makes his show worthwhile. Sometimes he just bitches about his hangover.

Limbauch, hannity &al are tame and tepid compared to michael savage, who isnt afraid to scream the most offensive, unpopular, unhinged arguments. He has an agenda which is completely his own, and isnt beholden to anyone or in the least bit partisan.

I admire his intelligence and that he is always on the offensive. He has a lot of money and a PhD from a prestigious university and has lived an extraordinarily full life. He puts pimps like al sharpton and weasels like sean hannity to shame.

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He also likes to make up little poems and rhymes, and to make animal noises and yell at recordings of other people talking, and make up senseless rap songs. He's comedy gold.

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To be fair, regardless of what any incarnation of a dictionary might say, I heard the term "nappy" and the phrase "nappy-headed" used fairly often when I was growing up. Neither were ever used to describe all black people or as truly racist terms. Both were always used to describe women or girls (albeit always black) who had extremely frizzy or messy hair.

Apparently the good for nothing cowards at MSNBC have canned Don Imus.

Score another one for the victim-pimps. Another step backward for black america.

I would think this was just an example of the free market at work. Company gets complaints about their product from listeners/advertisers - company gets rid of product.

This deserves posting a lot, because al sharpton is going to be on tv tomorrow denouncing Ebay selling slaves

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180106306200

CBS has just fired (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18072804/?GT1=9246) Imus.

CBS has just fired (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18072804/?GT1=9246) Imus.

And for good reason; He lost sponsors. I'm okay with that. What irks me is how 'Front Page' this ridiculously unimportant story has become, and how certain pundits have bent over backwards to get and keep it there. It's worse than Anna Nicole Smith. :(

And for good reason; He lost sponsors. I'm okay with that. What irks me is how 'Front Page' this ridiculously unimportant story has become, and how certain pundits have bent over backwards to get and keep it there. It's worse than Anna Nicole Smith. :(

First time I saw it related to that media debacle LOL. Thanks! :p

Mike savage is a very smart man, he also happens to be a rambling maniac.

It is unfair to put him in the category with rush limbaugh, sean hannity and anne coulter, who are political hacks and mouthpieces.

Life is seldom fair. Anne Coulter is no less of a raving lunatic than Savage, she just happens to be a "sponsored" raving lunatic.


You will be hard pressed finding anyone who hates george bush more than michael savage, or has more public invective for him. His program is genuinely entertaining sometimes, it is like listening to the ravings of an angry bum.

I can't grant him any credit for disliking the President. He just thinks Bush should be even more of a shill for the neo-cons than he already is.


The absurdity of the vicious crazy shit that comes out of michael savage's mouth is what makes his show worthwhile. Sometimes he just bitches about his hangover.

You might find it worthwhile, I simply find it tasteless, nasty, hurtful and pathetic. I don't have the patience to listen for the occasional "gem" that pops out of his mouth, nor do I particularly care for a lunatic like him having a microphone and sponsors. <shrug>


Limbauch, hannity &al are tame and tepid compared to michael savage, who isnt afraid to scream the most offensive, unpopular, unhinged arguments. He has an agenda which is completely his own, and isnt beholden to anyone or in the least bit partisan.

And this is admirable?? He is hateful piece of crap and he will always be a hateful piece of crap.


I admire his intelligence and that he is always on the offensive. He has a lot of money and a PhD from a prestigious university and has lived an extraordinarily full life. He puts pimps like al sharpton and weasels like sean hannity to shame.

Good for him. I consider his life a complete waste. Having a Ph.D. from a prestigious university does not make him a good and admirable man (see: Bush, George W.). It's a crime he (Savage) is allowed to waste my valuable breathing oxygen. Pimps like Sharpton and weasels like Hannity discredit themselves, so putting them down with that "high-powered" intelligence is a waste of time.

If Mike Savage disappeared from the radio today, I would hold a large party and celebrate. The man is worthless, despite all of your assertions otherwise.


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He also likes to make up little poems and rhymes, and to make animal noises and yell at recordings of other people talking, and make up senseless rap songs. He's comedy gold.

If you can past the hate-filled vitriol perhaps. But I will take my comedy from someone who is not totally hateful and unhinged.

You might find it worthwhile, I simply find it tasteless, nasty, hurtful and pathetic. I don't have the patience to listen for the occasional "gem" that pops out of his mouth, nor do I particularly care for a lunatic like him having a microphone and sponsors. <shrug>

a crime he (Savage) is allowed to waste my valuable breathing oxygen.

If Mike Savage disappeared from the radio today, I would hold a large party and celebrate. The man is worthless, despite all of your assertions otherwise.



The big question: why be so hate-filled and vitriolic about a radio show you are not obliged to listen to? Why the personal animosity towards a harmless talk show host?

I wasnt under the impression that you or anyone else got veto power on who gets to breathe 'your' oxygen... nor a veto on who gets 'a microphone and sponsors.'

Savage is about as far from the acceptable mainstream as you can get, short of being a marginalized radical... it is important that someone like him have a microphone, keeps our democracy vibrant.

Mike savage is a very smart man, he also happens to be a rambling maniac.Agreed.

It is unfair to put him in the category with rush limbaugh, sean hannity and anne coulter, who are political hacks and mouthpieces.He does them as much service as disservice, depending on the day, how his dogs are doing, whether he's thought much of his mother lately, and has another book to push.

You will be hard pressed finding anyone who hates george bush more than michael savage, or has more public invective for him.Disagreed, rather strongly at that.




But as the saying goes, perhaps - "to truly hate someone you must have truly loved them at one point".

His program is genuinely entertaining sometimes, it is like listening to the ravings of an angry bum. Wholeheartedly agreed.

The absurdity of the vicious crazy shit that comes out of michael savage's mouth is what makes his show worthwhile. Sometimes he just bitches about his hangover. Again, agreed.

Limbauch, hannity &al are tame and tepid compared to michael savage, who isnt afraid to scream the most offensive, unpopular, unhinged arguments.Agreed.
He has an agenda which is completely his own, and isnt beholden to anyone or in the least bit partisan.Although it's been a while, i've heard him argue other people's arguments on occasion, for what seemed other people's reasons as well. For example, one of his exclusive broadcast contracts following Limblob's ... i'd punch it up if i thought i had much success, but he's mentioned it before on air.


I admire his intelligence and that he is always on the offensive. Thing is, he'd make a good argument for sponsorship from an anti-hypertension /blood pressure drug, although i never seem to hear that, it's always the nevada corporations and that other thing.
He has a lot of money and a PhD from a prestigious university and has lived an extraordinarily full life. He puts pimps like al sharpton and weasels like sean hannity to shame.Agreed, but that's because Sean Hannity has no shame, and any amount as an additive is noticable.

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He also likes to make up little poems and rhymes, and to make animal noises and yell at recordings of other people talking, and make up senseless rap songs. He's comedy gold.Agreed again.

Added up, the soup seems to have a strong hint of lead.

The big question: why be so hate-filled and vitriolic about a radio show you are not obliged to listen to? Why the personal animosity towards a harmless talk show host?

I wasnt under the impression that you or anyone else got veto power on who gets to breathe 'your' oxygen... nor a veto on who gets 'a microphone and sponsors.'

Savage is about as far from the acceptable mainstream as you can get, short of being a marginalized radical... it is important that someone like him have a microphone, keeps our democracy vibrant.

I don't pretend for a moment to be immune to feeling nasty feelings for this sorry SOB, and he is hardly harmless. I also don't pretend to have any "powers" or vote as to who breathes, has a microphone and sponsors.

So, to me the question is, if he is so far out of the mainstream and if he is so harmless...why does he 1.) Have a radio show that is listened to by some portion of the population who actually agrees with him. 2) Just what sort of contribution to our democracy does this idiot make? Do you hold him up as the perfect example of what not be when you grow up? Do you play him for your friends and say. "listen to this guy, he's pathetic?"

A nasty, pathetic asshole with a microphone can do a lot of harm, but not to himself, because he knows he's on borrowed time. But to people who are weak willed enough to lap his screed up like mother's milk. A nasty, pathetic asshole with a strong, "vibrant" opinion started the Ku Klux Klan, who followed him? The strong? Hell no, it was the weak willed and bigoted. Look at Senator McCarthy at the height of the "Red Scare." Who followed him? The strong? The righteous? No, it was the power hungry who had no real sense of morals and ethics that followed him, and that portion of America that followed him were scared and ill-informed.

I give you full measure of credit, if you can listen to this guy for the comedic value and not in your heart of hearts, privately agree with this guy, you have my respect.

But I rather suspect that Michael Savage is simply following the precepts followed by Joseph Goebbels, the National Socialist Worker's Party Propoganda Minister.

"The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over.”

Goebbels also spoke rather eloquently on the "big lie" and the constant repeat of it until the sheep we call "the masses" believe it.

Not everyone has the intellectual tools to critically think, and Michael Savage appeals to that crowd. He is a raving, angry bum to you and I...and a messiah to others.

Pick your poison, I choose not to listen to him, but I watch out for him and his kin. Comedy gold he is not.