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Well, do you consider yourself to be an outcast? If so, why?

I think that here in America, I am an outcast, mainly because of my opposition to the military, national security, among other things. I posted my thoughts on another forum, which is run by a newspaper back home, and i was called a tool, terrorist supporter, unpatriotic, liberal scumbag, and someone ever referred to me in a sarcastic manner as the Wizard of Western. They accused me of all this crap, saying I hated freedom, and then I posted quotes from our forefathers discussing a standing military as a threat and so forth, and it pretty much shut them up. But its safe to say, if my true identity was to be found out, I'm sure i'd have an angry mob outside my house ready to lynch me, or at least to egg me.:p

Nope.

Well, do you consider yourself to be an outcast? If so, why?

I think that here in America, I am an outcast, mainly because of my opposition to the military, national security, among other things. I posted my thoughts on another forum, which is run by a newspaper back home, and i was called a tool, terrorist supporter, unpatriotic, liberal scumbag, and someone ever referred to me in a sarcastic manner as the Wizard of Western. They accused me of all this crap, saying I hated freedom, and then I posted quotes from our forefathers discussing a standing military as a threat and so forth, and it pretty much shut them up. But its safe to say, if my true identity was to be found out, I'm sure i'd have an angry mob outside my house ready to lynch me, or at least to egg me.:p
I'm sure you're not the only one. Nazz is the other sane American.:p

Well, do you consider yourself to be an outcast? If so, why?

I think that here in America, I am an outcast, mainly because of my opposition to the military, national security, among other things. I posted my thoughts on another forum, which is run by a newspaper back home, and i was called a tool, terrorist supporter, unpatriotic, liberal scumbag, and someone ever referred to me in a sarcastic manner as the Wizard of Western. They accused me of all this crap, saying I hated freedom, and then I posted quotes from our forefathers discussing a standing military as a threat and so forth, and it pretty much shut them up. But its safe to say, if my true identity was to be found out, I'm sure i'd have an angry mob outside my house ready to lynch me, or at least to egg me.:p

What thoughts did you post that got them all riled up?

no, i don't think i'm an outcast.

I'm sure you're not the only one. Nazz is the other sane American.:p

Oh, well I don't know the part about being sane, maybe correct, but not sane :p

Not in the manner you describe. Most people are either unaware of or simply don't care about my political leanings.

Socially, however, i've always been a bit (ok, more than a bit) of an outcast.

And on here a bit too, maybe.

I phail at making polls. The last option should read "I'm sorry Ms. Jackson [OOOH]
I am for real
Never meant to make your daughter cry
I apoligize a trillion times
I'm sorry Ms. Jackson [OOOH]" As in the lyrics from the Outkast song..I try to be clever and witty and make a pop culture reference, but I fail. I am going back to bed. :(

I phail at making polls. The last option should read "I'm sorry Ms. Jackson [OOOH]
I am for real
Never meant to make your daughter cry
I apoligize a trillion times
I'm sorry Ms. Jackson [OOOH]" As in the lyrics from the Outkast song..I try to be clever and witty and make a pop culture reference, but I fail. I am going back to bed. :(

Was it this sort of thing that made them mad on that other forum?

I phail at making polls. The last option should read "I'm sorry Ms. Jackson [OOOH]
I am for real
Never meant to make your daughter cry
I apoligize a trillion times
I'm sorry Ms. Jackson [OOOH]" As in the lyrics from the Outkast song..I try to be clever and witty and make a pop culture reference, but I fail. I am going back to bed. :(

Well, it was the first thing I thought of when I read the title...

I phail at making polls. The last option should read "I'm sorry Ms. Jackson [OOOH]
I am for real
Never meant to make your daughter cry
I apoligize a trillion times
I'm sorry Ms. Jackson [OOOH]" As in the lyrics from the Outkast song..I try to be clever and witty and make a pop culture reference, but I fail. I am going back to bed. :(

Unusually, it reads like a pidgin English version of that and kinda-sorta makes sense. :P

*Hides name with a decorative plant*

No, not all.

*Plant falls over*

...crap. Alright, socially I don't mix well with other people, mostly due to a simple difference in interests and tastes. Not an outcast, necessarily, just out of place.

Politically, I exercise the wisdom of the the great Mark Twain, as seen in my sig. Where I live, I disagree with most people most things, or at least on the issues that get an immediate emotional reaction, like abortion and gay marriage.

I'm not an putcast but i like outkast cause im cooler than a polor bars tenails oh no, throw ur hands in the air.......

This would be more interesting if you posted, word for word, what you actually said on those other forums that got everyone pissed off at you.

I'm not an putcast but i like outkast cause im cooler than a polor bars tenails oh no, throw ur hands in the air.......

And this one reads like a pidgin english version of something that doesn't make sense. Me no savvy.

Nope. Even so, I'm more likely to be exiled than be an outcast.

I am an outcast.... even my boyfriend thinks I am crazy and calls me communist despite me not in the least being a commie. The party, I am in is really small and virtually unknown in Germany.

This would be more interesting if you posted, word for word, what you actually said on those other forums that got everyone pissed off at you.

More or less someone posted something about 9-11 and terrorism and how the war in Iraq was justifiable, then i said it wasn't and they flamed me, so then I explained my position, and gave them some quotes like "If tyranny should come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy"(or however it goes) and this dude said i misunderstood the quotes. :confused: How is that hard to understand? More or less I am not patriotic, because as a Christian I can justify supporting a group that goes around killing people, and doing so "because they are told to". I value the right to think for myself, and above all else, I value human life. And then I went on to say that 3000 dead in 9-11 was a drop in the bucket compared to things we have done as a nation, or the lack of doing in trying to stop the deaths of other people. Someone did chime in by agreeing with me on the point in not doing anything about the genocide in Rwanda, Sudan, and the conflict in the Congo. But after that it was back to flaming me as a some sort of ungrateful pussy liberal. I love how mature and grown up these adults are!

More or less someone posted something about 9-11 and terrorism and how the war in Iraq was justifiable, then i said it wasn't and they flamed me, so then I explained my position, and gave them some quotes like "If tyranny should come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy"(or however it goes) and this dude said i misunderstood the quotes. :confused: How is that hard to understand? More or less I am not patriotic, because as a Christian I can justify supporting a group that goes around killing people, and doing so "because they are told to". I value the right to think for myself, and above all else, I value human life. And then I went on to say that 3000 dead in 9-11 was a drop in the bucket compared to things we have done as a nation, or the lack of doing in trying to stop the deaths of other people. Someone did chime in by agreeing with me on the point in not doing anything about the genocide in Rwanda, Sudan, and the conflict in the Congo. But after that it was back to flaming me as a some sort of ungrateful pussy liberal. I love how mature and grown up these adults are!

Well, I might not agree with you on all of that, but it's certainly not worth flaming you over.

I might discuss the idea of the 9/11 dead being "our dead" and the dead in Rwanda, Sudan, and the Congo being "someone else's dead". It may not be the way you think about it (and it has nothing to do with patriotism), but a lot of people in this world think of their own country, etc., first.

Oh, and Iraq has nothing to do with 9/11 - just so you're straight on that one. Here's a question - do you think it was ok to invade Afghanistan in retaliation for 9/11?

my fundamentalist Christian friends can't quite get a hold on my libertarian philosophy......I think it scares them.

I am also an outcast in the local homeschool community, because I don't have the same "homeschool values" as the rest of them, and it causes a lot of butting heads, mostly because they take political and social positions I find idiotic, and the fact that I have an entirely different approach to education and parenting than they do.

I'm sure you're not the only one. Nazz is the other sane American.:p

The *only* other? :mad:

Anyway, yeah, I'm an outcast because I'm an atheist with ADD, brontophobia, and acne.

my fundamentalist Christian friends can't quite get a hold on my libertarian philosophy......I think it scares them.

I am also an outcast in the local homeschool community, because I don't have the same "homeschool values" as the rest of them, and it causes a lot of butting heads, mostly because they take political and social positions I find idiotic, and the fact that I have an entirely different approach to education and parenting than they do.

SMUNKEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 :D:D:D:D:fluffle::fluffle:

Welcome back!

Not particularly, no. I tend to get along well with almost anyone. I'm weird, no doubt, but for whatever reason, people look past it a bit.

outkast?

outkast?

i think they're a band...

but im not a social outcast or pariah by any means

Well, I might not agree with you on all of that, but it's certainly not worth flaming you over.

I might discuss the idea of the 9/11 dead being "our dead" and the dead in Rwanda, Sudan, and the Congo being "someone else's dead". It may not be the way you think about it (and it has nothing to do with patriotism), but a lot of people in this world think of their own country, etc., first.

Oh, and Iraq has nothing to do with 9/11 - just so you're straight on that one. Here's a question - do you think it was ok to invade Afghanistan in retaliation for 9/11?

No, because how many of the Hijackers were from afghanistan? I don't recall any of them being from there, however, I do recall a majority of them being from Saudi Arabia, so if we had to fight anyone, I think it should have been them. But, as I said before, I don't agree with military force at all.

brontophobia, .

SO that means you are afraid of large, extinct herbivores?

(Im kidding, i know what it really means :p)

Yes, both socially and politically. Though not as much socially as I used to be.

SO that means you are afraid of large, extinct herbivores?

(Im kidding, i know what it really means :p)

I get teased for it all the time. I hate thunder and lightning. There was a crapload of storms (okay, two) when I was in Canada. :(

I get teased for it all the time. I hate thunder and lightning. There was a crapload of storms (okay, two) when I was in Canada. :(

Heh, I am quite the opposite, as when it storms I am the type to be out in it playing around. I am also the type that will die from a lightning strike :p

I'm sure you're not the only one. Nazz is the other sane American.:p

"The" other? Sheesh. We're really not all crazy, you know.

...or at least we're not all crazy in that particular way, anyway. ;)

Anyway, while I will proudly admit to being a nerd, a dork, a geek, a dweeb, and all other names along that general line, I really don't think I could properly be labelled an outcast. I have many friends whom I love dearly and who show every sign of returning my affection.

Heh, I am quite the opposite, as when it storms I am the type to be out in it playing around. I am also the type that will die from a lightning strike :p

I'm the one to hide under a blanket. :(

I'm the one to hide under a blanket. :(

*Throws blanket over nearest person to Pancake and zaps them with a taser.*

Silly Pancake... blankets don't block lightning.

Anyway, while I will proudly admit to being a nerd, a dork, a geek, a dweeb, and all other names along that general line, I really don't think I could properly be labelled an outcast. I have many friends whom I love dearly and who show every sign of returning my affection.

Same here.

*Throws blanket over nearest person to Pancake and zaps them with a taser.*

Silly Pancake... blankets don't block lightning.

I know. :(

dam it voted off again

I know. :(

Shall we try a larger-scale test? *Charges lightning ball in hand*

Shall we try a larger-scale test? *Charges lightning ball in hand*

*hits Minaris across the back of the head with open hand*

leave her alone

Oh for sure. But I swear it IS everyone else who is weird and only me who is normal. Rationality is such a burden:p

I know. :(

you do know that your chances of getting struck are very low right? what used to help me when I was a kid was imagining my enemies struck every time I heard thunder or saw lightening, it's hard to be afraid when you are being vengeful.

Yes, both socially and politically. Though not as much socially as I used to be.

Having had someone declare their love for you, I'd agree. :D

Politically, sure.

Socially... two coherent views exist on this question.

*hits Minaris across the back of the head with open hand*

leave her alone

A) Who said I'd hit her?
B) You wanna go? *Lightning ball is charged in hand, crackling a bit*

*pokes head into room, sees lightning clouds and crazy people.* yeah... I'm not gonna get involved. *Steps into room and hids behind potted plant.

Nope. I'm a people person. :)

A) Who said I'd hit her?
B) You wanna go? *Lightning ball is charged in hand, crackling a bit*

no one but you, i just hit on the back of the head
an put away your toys

no one but you, i just hit on the back of the head

Actually, I never intended on changing targets.

an put away your toys

It was supposed to be- ah, nevermind. *Leaves*

Actually, I never intended on changing targets.



It was supposed to be- ah, nevermind. *Leaves*

:D posting with you is all ways fun

:D posting with you is all ways fun

*Returns and bows* Thank you, IISA. *Leaves again*

*Returns and bows* Thank you, IISA. *Leaves again*

*bows back and steps into the shadows*

Well, do you consider yourself to be an outcast? If so, why?

I think that here in America, I am an outcast, mainly because of my opposition to the military, national security, among other things. I posted my thoughts on another forum, which is run by a newspaper back home, and i was called a tool, ist supporter, unpatriotic, liberal scumbag, and someone ever referred to me in a sarcastic manner as the Wizard of Western. They accused me of all this crap, saying I hated freedom, and then I posted quotes from our forefathers discussing a standing military as a threat and so forth, and it pretty much shut them up. But its safe to say, if my true identity was to be found out, I'm sure i'd have an angry mob outside my house ready to lynch me, or at least to egg me.:p

Move to a better city then. I live in buckhead atlanta (in GA) and I have no such problems. Or california. There are people like you, you just have to find them.

I LOVE ANDRE 3000! Awesome singer, Idlewild was awesome movie too.

you do know that your chances of getting struck are very low right? what used to help me when I was a kid was imagining my enemies struck every time I heard thunder or saw lightening, it's hard to be afraid when you are being vengeful.

Should try that in the next storm. :)

It actually has worked before, now that I think of it-- about a year ago I was riding the bus home, and the bus had just left the middle school and a storm was coming up-- it looked ugly, but wasn't really bad. Anyway I looked back to see if lightning would strike aroudn the school (you now, like in those horro/Dracula movies or something ;)). It didn't, but it would have been so cool.

Hmm....

When I walk down the street in my doc martens, braces, scrawled on teeshirts, leather jacket covered in patches and badges, padlock around my neck, etc, etc I certainly get a few funny looks, it can't be denied. But would I say I'm an outsider because of that? A lot of people consider me an outsider in appearances but I never really notice it.

I feel more of an outsider due to my politics but I think people realise that less. It gets a bit annoying being a token communist, hearing the same arguments over and over again ("Human nature!" "Only in theory!" "Look at Russia!") and to be honest I often feel like people react in quite a hostile way without realising it. I cant be arsed to explain. A bit stoned. Talking to a girl. In too good a mood to bring myself down with this potentially depressing thread.

Mwuhahaha! Let's go smoke some leftover crack!

Should i assume that Zilam doesn't like 'President' Bush?

Nothing wrong with being fat - for a start, fat people are harder to kidnap...

I'm a social outcast because I'm fat.

I'm not outcast but nor am I really one of the guys. Something feels wrong concerning my relationships with most people and I've never been able to say what. There's only a couple of people I feel truly comfortable with, most people make me feel like I'm being assessed for weakness.

Nothing wrong with being fat - for a start, fat people are harder to kidnap...

It keeps me from getting laid . . .

yes

personality

I don't really understand people, and haven't felt comfortable with anyone that I can remember. I wouldn't call myself an outcast, though, because there is no way I could survive living on my own. Years of communal living have ruined me to the point that if there aren't enough people nearby, I start getting paranoid and hallucinating.

Not particularly. My political views are further to the right than most, however, I find this rarely has any social implications in most circumstances.

As for physically, fuck no. I'm slim, toned, good looking and well dressed.

Politically..my views can be quite extreme to some..but I explain them well and generally capture the audiance I am speaking to. They listen to what I say. Sometimes they agree, other times not, but they damn sure listen.

Socially, no. I'm good looking, tall, friendly, nice body, funny, and...well..I don't know how to put this..but..I'm kinda a big deal.....people know me...

Politically..my views can be quite extreme to some..but I explain them well and generally capture the audiance I am speaking to. They listen to what I say. Sometimes they agree, other times not, but they damn sure listen.

Socially, no. I'm good looking, tall, friendly, nice body, funny, and...well..I don't know how to put this..but..people know me. I'm kinda a big deal....

You're not my estranged twin are you?:D

You're not my estranged twin are you?:D
So it seems.:D
But really, we'd probably get along if we met. Next time I'm in England I'd let you know. :)

Have you many leather-bound books and an apartment that smells of rich mahogany?
You know how to cut to the core of me, Tribes. You're so wise. You're like a miniature Buddha, covered in hair.

Socially, no. I'm good looking, tall, friendly, nice body, funny, and...well..I don't know how to put this..but..I'm kinda a big deal.....people know me...
Have you many leather-bound books and an apartment that smells of rich mahogany?

So it seems.:D
But really, we'd probably get along if we met. Next time I'm in England I'd let you know. :)

Fair enough.:)

You know how to cut to the core of me, Tribes. You're so wise. You're like a miniature Buddha, covered in hair.
Muchas gracias! I pooped in the refrigerator and ate a whole wheel of cheese. :)

This is all I have to say, well sing at least:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xXNjk2LEUPE

Muchas gracias!
What?! Come again?... You know I don't speak Spanish!:mad:

Should i assume that Zilam doesn't like 'President' Bush?

I like him as much as I like hemorrhoids*


*Just to clarify, I have never had hemorrhoids, but I am most certain i hate them :p

Socially, not really. One may say I am self-exiled, to an extent. I dislike most people, although I can masquerade as a gregarious individual should I please. As such, I distance myself from them.

Politically, most certainly. Being an anarcho-capitalist puts me in the extreme.

I don't really understand people, and haven't felt comfortable with anyone that I can remember. I wouldn't call myself an outcast, though, because there is no way I could survive living on my own.
Yes, pretty much the same here.

Socially, not really. One may say I am self-exiled, to an extent. I dislike most people, although I can masquerade as a gregarious individual should I please. As such, I distance myself from them.


That would describe me somewhat too.

No, because how many of the Hijackers were from afghanistan? I don't recall any of them being from there, however, I do recall a majority of them being from Saudi Arabia, so if we had to fight anyone, I think it should have been them. But, as I said before, I don't agree with military force at all.

Ah, but the camps where they were trained were in Afghanistan.
The leaders of the group that sent them were in Afghanistan.
The leaders of Afghanistan were closely allied to that group, and refused to hand them over.

But, if you're against the use of any military force, what do you do when people attack your country?

Nothing? Talk?

By the time 9/11 took place, I think that with a certain specific group of people (members of al-Q), we were way past the talking stage - they just wanted to kill us - they didn't really care who or how many or in what way - as long as they got to kill us in some spectacular public way.

I'm not an exile, they're all just jealous of how perfect I am in every way.
*posts from a cave in the wilderness*

Socially I am not an outcast.

Politically, I'm pretty centrist...or rather, I have some far-left views and some far-right views. As a result, I think I'd be hated no matter where I went. :p

<snip>
By the time 9/11 took place, I think that with a certain specific group of people (members of al-Q), we were way past the talking stage - they just wanted to kill us - they didn't really care who or how many or in what way - as long as they got to kill us in some spectacular public way.Of course you must be right... addressing any of their published demands such as the removal of US bases in Saudi Arabia would have had no effect whatsoever and not averted the escalation that resulted in 9/11...:rolleyes:

Definitely, I have been an outcast in every way possible since the day I was born.

yes.
not politically, although i seem to care more than my peers.
kinda socially, in regards to music taste, clothing, hobbies, talents, etc.

but its not extreme. i can make myslef fit in when i want to.

I wouldn't really call myself an outcast. Maybe I might have in highschool, but now I somewhat fit in with a group of people and the like.
I usually get along with people and they tend to get along with me... I just don't tend to like a lot of people.

I am an outcast insofar as no one who matters actually hates me, but those who matter don't understand me. I go to a school dominated be eco-friendly future engineering majors who really don't understand that I don't like math or science, and that I love politics. That's fine, I'm not too fond of popular culture or the psuedo-bachanale that is teenage interaction, and I don't understand why they don't find politics to be truly fascinating.

However, most of my peers are perfectly willing to tolerate me, and more often than not, the ones with a political agenda (that would be most. Even the conservatives at our school are worried about global warming) are willing to ask for information, so I can't complain too much. Besides, if they understood me, then I'd have to understand them.

Of course you must be right... addressing any of their published demands such as the removal of US bases in Saudi Arabia would have had no effect whatsoever and not averted the escalation that resulted in 9/11...:rolleyes:

We've long since moved our bases out of Saudi, and they didn't so much as acknowledge it.

Well, do you consider yourself to be an outcast? If so, why?

I think that here in America, I am an outcast, mainly because of my opposition to the military, national security, among other things. I posted my thoughts on another forum, which is run by a newspaper back home, and i was called a tool, terrorist supporter, unpatriotic, liberal scumbag, and someone ever referred to me in a sarcastic manner as the Wizard of Western. They accused me of all this crap, saying I hated freedom, and then I posted quotes from our forefathers discussing a standing military as a threat and so forth, and it pretty much shut them up. But its safe to say, if my true identity was to be found out, I'm sure i'd have an angry mob outside my house ready to lynch me, or at least to egg me.:p

Egg, eh?
That's so two days ago.

i don't think of myself as one, but i guess i might be. socially as well as politically.

i just kinda keep myself to myself these days

Besides, if they understood me, then I'd have to understand them.

:confused:

...lost me there.