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No True Scotsman...

Lord Jehovah
09-04-2007, 14:39
As the creator I should point out that there are at least three different types of Scotsman. The first is slightly wild and always up for a party. The second is debonair, cultured, brilliant and witty. Of the third, however, it can be said that the mist has entered into his soul. A dour, flinty-hearted, miserable Scottish minge-bag. It was this type that P.G. Wodehouse had in mind when he wrote, 'It has never been hard to tell the difference between a Scotsman with a grievance and a ray of sunshine.' Into this category falls my former boss Mr. McTaggart, the most evil man ever to deny an expense claim, and I suspect your boss as well, and also the British Chancellor of the Exchequer, Gordon Brown.

There are various theories as to what exactly makes this sort of Scot so embittered and joyless. Some indeed blame the weather and the unforgiving terrain, some the austere pieties of the Kirk, some the bagpipe music, an unholy dirge which curdles the souls of those weaned on it and forever squashes any possibility of happiness.

Personally, I blame British war films, and an actor named Gordon Jackson. In old British war movies there was always a token Scotsman, imaginatively named Jock, played by Gordon Jackson. He would be teamed up with either a chirpy Cockney wide-boy named Tommy or a dashing upper-class officer named Rupert Spencer-Fotheringay. While the feckless Englishman would laugh and booze and chase wenches with no thought for the morrow, cautious, thrifty mother's boy Gordon Jackson would abide by the King's Regulations, get an early night and save his pay, and dream modest dreams of slow, steady self-improvement. While Tommy would loot French bistros, Jock would talk about taking night-school classes after the war and making something of himself. While Rupert slurped champagne off barmaids, Gordon Jackson would shyly propose marriage to his sweetheart and indulge in touchingly humble plans for the future: 'Aye, Elsie, we'll have to scrimp and save, but we'll get by. One day we'll have our own wee hoose with a wee back yard, and maybe a rabbit in a hutch, aye, I've always fancied a rabbit. And maybe, one day, an indoor toilet in the hoose, for I'm that sick of shitting in the heather.' Of course, this being a war film, planning for the future is foolish and fatal, and by the final reel he has been killed by Germans while the happy-go-lucky Englishman gets by without a scratch. The cosmic unfairness of this rankles with many Scots and turns them sour. On some deep level, every thrifty Scotsman believes he will be punished for his thriftiness and work-ethic by being killed by Germans.

Try this experiment. The next time your dour Scottish boss does something particularly mean, stingy or overcautious, glance out of the window and say, 'My, how unusual, a Messerschmitt.' Something deep in his soul will respond and he will jump three feet and say, 'Och, I'm a goner, Tommy, Elsie, Elsie, the rabbits, why?'
Dobbsworld
09-04-2007, 14:44
Scots: the final frontier for ethnic humour remaining on the planet.
Andaluciae
09-04-2007, 14:46
"Hoose"

Tee-hee
Andaluciae
09-04-2007, 14:47
Scots: the final frontier for ethnic humour remaining on the planet.

Praise be to the thumbtacks that they've already been grievanced out!
Lord Jehovah
09-04-2007, 14:48
Scots: the final frontier for ethnic humour remaining on the planet.

Well, if you make fun of other ethnicities, it either isn't funny at all (Old WW II movies of Canadian misfits drinking Canadian whisky just isn't funny), or the people being made fun of fail to see the humor, and want to kill you (no cartoons of the Prophet, or we'll riot in the streets!).

So the dour Scots will have to do.

I would make fun of the English, with their old boy network and stiff upper lip, but that isn't funny, either.
Lunatic Goofballs
09-04-2007, 14:49
I like making fun of the Amish because they'll never find out. :)
Lord Jehovah
09-04-2007, 14:50
I like making fun of the Amish because they'll never find out. :)

Ah, but as simple as the Amish may be, they haven't stooped to shitting in the heather.
Lunatic Goofballs
09-04-2007, 14:51
Ah, but as simple as the Amish may be, they haven't stooped to shitting in the heather.

How do you know? I have. :)
Lord Jehovah
09-04-2007, 14:53
How do you know? I have. :)

It's probably true that Scotsmen acquired outhouses well after the Amish did. And indoor plumbing long after that luxury appeared in Yorkshire.
Infinite Revolution
09-04-2007, 14:54
Scots: the final frontier for ethnic humour remaining on the planet.

i thought that was the welsh.

*is scottish*

*shakes fist at cruel world*

:p
Lord Jehovah
09-04-2007, 14:57
You're doomed, I tell you. Doomed.

You're supposed to call him "Jock". All Scotsmen are called "Jock".
Lord Jehovah
09-04-2007, 14:58
See? Here's another dour Scotsman.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jock_Stirrup

That's a grand name, that is.
Bodies Without Organs
09-04-2007, 14:58
This thread is doomed, I tell you. Doomed.
Lord Jehovah
09-04-2007, 14:59
Doomed! We're all Doomed!

Ah, but if you're the Englishman in this movie, you'll be safe and sound when all is o'er.
Rubiconic Crossings
09-04-2007, 15:00
Doomed! We're all Doomed!
Bodies Without Organs
09-04-2007, 15:03
You're supposed to call him "Jock". All Scotsmen are called "Jock".

It is even better if you call them Taffy. It's like intentionally getting their name wrong.
Rubiconic Crossings
09-04-2007, 15:06
Ah, but if you're the Englishman in this movie, you'll be safe and sound when all is o'er.

Dickie Attenborough....
Whereyouthinkyougoing
09-04-2007, 15:06
As the creator I should point out that there are at least three different types of Scotsman. The first is slightly wild and always up for a party. The second is debonair, cultured, brilliant and witty. Of the third, however, it can be said that the mist has entered into his soul. A dour, flinty-hearted, miserable Scottish minge-bag. It was this type that P.G. Wodehouse had in mind when he wrote, 'It has never been hard to tell the difference between a Scotsman with a grievance and a ray of sunshine.' Into this category falls my former boss Mr. McTaggart, the most evil man ever to deny an expense claim, and I suspect your boss as well, and also the British Chancellor of the Exchequer, Gordon Brown.

There are various theories as to what exactly makes this sort of Scot so embittered and joyless. Some indeed blame the weather and the unforgiving terrain, some the austere pieties of the Kirk, some the bagpipe music, an unholy dirge which curdles the souls of those weaned on it and forever squashes any possibility of happiness.

Personally, I blame British war films, and an actor named Gordon Jackson. In old British war movies there was always a token Scotsman, imaginatively named Jock, played by Gordon Jackson. He would be teamed up with either a chirpy Cockney wide-boy named Tommy or a dashing upper-class officer named Rupert Spencer-Fotheringay. While the feckless Englishman would laugh and booze and chase wenches with no thought for the morrow, cautious, thrifty mother's boy Gordon Jackson would abide by the King's Regulations, get an early night and save his pay, and dream modest dreams of slow, steady self-improvement. While Tommy would loot French bistros, Jock would talk about taking night-school classes after the war and making something of himself. While Rupert slurped champagne off barmaids, Gordon Jackson would shyly propose marriage to his sweetheart and indulge in touchingly humble plans for the future: 'Aye, Elsie, we'll have to scrimp and save, but we'll get by. One day we'll have our own wee hoose with a wee back yard, and maybe a rabbit in a hutch, aye, I've always fancied a rabbit. And maybe, one day, an indoor toilet in the hoose, for I'm that sick of shitting in the heather.' Of course, this being a war film, planning for the future is foolish and fatal, and by the final reel he has been killed by Germans while the happy-go-lucky Englishman gets by without a scratch. The cosmic unfairness of this rankles with many Scots and turns them sour. On some deep level, every thrifty Scotsman believes he will be punished for his thriftiness and work-ethic by being killed by Germans.

Try this experiment. The next time your dour Scottish boss does something particularly mean, stingy or overcautious, glance out of the window and say, 'My, how unusual, a Messerschmitt.' Something deep in his soul will respond and he will jump three feet and say, 'Och, I'm a goner, Tommy, Elsie, Elsie, the rabbits, why?'

Would you mind crediting the source (http://www.michaelkelly.fsnet.co.uk/scots.htm) of your copy&paste spam next time?
Rubiconic Crossings
09-04-2007, 15:08
Would you mind crediting the source (http://www.michaelkelly.fsnet.co.uk/scots.htm) of your copy&paste spam next time?

oh dear! And here I was thinking it was all the OP's own work...
Lord Jehovah
09-04-2007, 15:09
Would you mind crediting the source (http://www.michaelkelly.fsnet.co.uk/scots.htm) of your copy&paste spam next time?

Would you mind having a sense of humor next time?

It's not like we were discussing a serious topic.
Rubiconic Crossings
09-04-2007, 15:14
Would you mind having a sense of humor next time?

It's not like we were discussing a serious topic.

Its not the sense of humour thing....its the plagiarism thing that is annoying...
Lord Jehovah
09-04-2007, 15:16
Its not the sense of humour thing....its the plagiarism thing that is annoying...

Well, I got it here:

http://forums.contology.com/index.php?automodule=blog&blogid=3&

Not where someone else said I got it.
Whereyouthinkyougoing
09-04-2007, 15:19
Its not the sense of humour thing....its the plagiarism thing that is annoying...In that he's doing it or in that I'm peeved by it? If the former - totally. If the latter - are you nuts? :mad: :p
Lord Jehovah
09-04-2007, 15:19
In that he's doing it or in that I'm peeved by it? If the former - totally. If the latter - are you nuts? :mad: :p

Oh, we thought you were peeved. Otherwise, you wouldn't have posted so angrily.
Rubiconic Crossings
09-04-2007, 15:21
Well, I got it here:

http://forums.contology.com/index.php?automodule=blog&blogid=3&

Not where someone else said I got it.

:thumbsup:
Lord Jehovah
09-04-2007, 15:22
See? Because that guy didn't credit his source either you were left to copy his text word for word instead of copying right from the master. Kids these days.

Hey, I looked around on Google and couldn't find it.
Whereyouthinkyougoing
09-04-2007, 15:22
Well, I got it here:

http://forums.contology.com/index.php?automodule=blog&blogid=3&

Not where someone else said I got it.See? Because that guy didn't credit his source either you were left to copy his text word for word instead of copying right from the master. Kids these days.
Rubiconic Crossings
09-04-2007, 15:22
In that he's doing it or in that I'm peeved by it? If the former - totally. If the latter - are you nuts? :mad: :p

Of course I'm nuts....not only am I a manager....I also work in IT...!

Kill me now.
Whereyouthinkyougoing
09-04-2007, 15:23
Oh, we thought you were peeved. Otherwise, you wouldn't have posted so angrily.Oh, I was peeved. I meant he would be nuts if he was annoyed by me being peeved. [/complicated]
I V Stalin
09-04-2007, 15:24
See? Here's another dour Scotsman.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jock_Stirrup

That's a grand name, that is.
Made all the better because his real name is Graham Eric Stirrup, but everyone calls him Jock. :p
Imperial isa
09-04-2007, 15:26
Of course I'm nuts....not only am I a manager....I also work in IT...!

Kill me now.

a slow death or a fast death :p
Demented Hamsters
09-04-2007, 15:50
I've always wanted to be invited into a scotsman's home and then tell him I saw a mouse, just so I can here him scream, "Och! There's a moose loose aboot this hoose!"
Rubiconic Crossings
09-04-2007, 16:19
a slow death or a fast death :p

Death by VoIP :(
Imperial isa
09-04-2007, 16:34
Death by VoIP :(

dam
Rubiconic Crossings
09-04-2007, 16:40
dam

Yeah. Thats what I've been dealing with the last week. Hence not posting.

Oh god I could rant! LOL
Ilaer
09-04-2007, 16:41
Doomed! We're all Doomed!

DAD'S ARMY!
My favourite TV show on the planet...
Rubiconic Crossings
09-04-2007, 16:44
DAD'S ARMY!
My favourite TV show on the planet...

Actually Bodies got there first by 2 minutes...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12526242&postcount=13

bugger LOL
Ilaer
09-04-2007, 16:45
Actually Bodies got there first by 2 minutes...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12526242&postcount=13

bugger LOL

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!
:(

Edit: On the plus side, this is my 700th post, thus making me a Superior Gamer as opposed to Deadly.
Meh. I preferred Deadly.
Imperial isa
09-04-2007, 16:46
Yeah. Thats what I've been dealing with the last week. Hence not posting.

Oh god I could rant! LOL

did pick that up you have not been around
Imperial isa
09-04-2007, 16:47
Edit: On the plus side, this is my 700th post, thus making me a Superior Gamer as opposed to Deadly.
Meh. I preferred Deadly.

still got along way to go
fact i only saw today that i'm now a Elite Jolt Forum User
Cold-Jutlanders
09-04-2007, 16:52
*Passes out Irn Bru and wee mince pies to everyone*

Don't thank me. No, really. Just shut up, drink yer bru and be miserable like the rest o' us. :p
Ilaer
09-04-2007, 16:57
still got along way to go
fact i only saw today that i'm now a Elite Jolt Forum User

My reponse to that: meh.
I prefer Deadly to Elite Jolt Forum User as well. :D
Rubiconic Crossings
09-04-2007, 16:57
did pick that up you have not been around

Yeah. Still. It pays the bills ;)
Imperial isa
09-04-2007, 17:00
My reponse to that: meh.
I prefer Deadly Elite Jolt Forum User as well. :D
thats better
Yeah. Still. It pays the bills ;)

don't speck of bills to me
Rubiconic Crossings
09-04-2007, 17:08
My reponse to that: meh.
I prefer Deadly to Elite Jolt Forum User as well. :D

Oh god...I just noticed mine...

AdminBots Boyfriend

*unnnnngh!*
Turquoise Days
09-04-2007, 17:09
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamish_and_dougal
*nods*

Scotland is my favourite place on this planet. So there.
Ilaer
09-04-2007, 17:09
thats better


don't speck of bills to me

:D