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Click on the link below and answer me a question. IS this ship technically sound. If not tell me in this thread how to fix it.

S.I.N_Ragnarok (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/S.I.N_Ragnarok)

I know the name is off. Im fixing that in a minute. I just want to see if that ship is ok or not.

Are you absolutely positive you're in the correct forum?

I'm not sure this is in the right forum....you might try International Incidents, that's where these things usually happen.

Then again, I could be wrong.

Sorry. Ill move it.

Sorry. Ill move it.

No huhu. Just didn't want you to get the full-force NSG treatment if it wasn't what you were looking for :fluffle:

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This is not the Forum you're looking for...

*waves hand*

Are you absolutely positive you're in the correct forum?

No, this should be in Gameplay.

... this ship (though Fictitious) is a 900 meter long sitting duck (according to post WWII naval doctrines).

I only see half a f***ing ship!! I'd say that's a big problem... ;) / :p

The biggest problem with this ship is that it's a DN/BB. Nobody makes DN's or BB's anymore because a DDG, CLG, or CLD can do nearly as much damage but present less of a target and be easier to maintain. Heck, even an FFG can hold it's own against a BC armed with only big guns. All the frigate needs to do is hold its distance and pound away with missles. If you're after a big naval ship then go for a lightly armed CV, preferably with a few wings of UCVs.

When naming your ships use the Hull classification symbol system when classifying your ships. What you have right now, "SSDR-2" would be some kind of submarine, not a surface BB or DN. Remember that continuity is key.

FF - frigate
POL - Police ship (frigate)
FFT - training frigate
FFG - guided weapons firgate
FFD - drone firgate
And so on.

You can indicate upgrades by setting certain new or improved features to a suffix letter or something and add that to individual ships on paper to show upgrade history.

ou can make up a whole new system of classifying but it can be difficult and I suggest that you take a look at some naval tactical strategy board games before giving it a go.

I have some resources for you if you're interested in a space navy. It's a bit different, a bit harder, and a bit more fun.

No way, Jose.

Your intermix regulator is all out of line, you've got a hydrogen after-burner that's way too small for a ship of that scale and don't get me started on your atmospheric propulsion coils!! You couldn't push a goran blimp with those outdated piles of rust!

Width is called beam on ships.

I'd fully reconsider L:B:T (Length: Beam: Draft) ratio. A more suitable would be 8:1:0.5, maybe 9:1:0.5. That's needed for strength at this size, plus to carry armor. If converting to hybrid carrier with less armor, 9:1:0.3 will do.

Displacement is wrong, it should be L*B*T*Cb, where Cb is block coefficient, from 0.5 to 0.7 depending on how full or thin the hull is. Lower adds speed, higher adds strength and stability.
For this size the displacement would be 936*86*30*0.6=1.44 million tonne. I suggest considerably cutting down the length, if that's possible, to allow for improvement in other factors; keeping beam constant or so.

The middle turret has to go; if you imagine it in 3D, you'll understand. There's simply no place there for it - main turrets must be placed much closer to the centerline. No other way, for this turret size. Also, the superstructure is too wide on modern ships for that.
I think the open missile placement is a very bad solution. Modern missiles have quite chemically sensitive parts you don't want to spray with seawater for years. They are not made for that. Missiles must be in containers, and, preferably, be mostly below the deck.


Also, in general, the battleship fad is actually getting over on NS; even older gun-apologetics are today more focused on missiles. Battleships are just inefficient. A modern frigate could give quite a beating to some Iowa battleship, using rocket-launched torpedoes.
If you want to keep it so not to waste the pic, I'd suggest to get rid of the aft turret, compact the superstructure, and turn it into a hybrid carrier. Make sure you use angled decks so ship speed can aid in takeoff.

Click on the link below and answer me a question. IS this ship technically sound. If not tell me in this thread how to fix it.

S.I.N_Ragnarok (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/S.I.N_Ragnarok)

I know the name is off. Im fixing that in a minute. I just want to see if that ship is ok or not.

Guns? How... sixties. :p

It's all about missiles now. Big guns are obsolete. *nod*

Other than that, the ship looks pretty stupid. :p

looks like the stern fell off. i think it'll sink like that.

Compliments on the drawing.

Besides that.....why is it called the S.I.N. Ragnarok? Like specifically referring to sin and the end of the world?

If we ignore for a second that guns in general are a bad idea I'd like to point out that puting those large guns at the port and starboard is a bad idea as they would have a maximum of 180 degrees firing circle, only broadside on their side not both like the bow and stern guns (or whatever you wanna call it) because of the superstructure. Furthermore they mess up the weight distribution of the ship by having those massive weights there as well as at the bow and stern, the speed will be reduced massively, turning will be terrible and capsizing will be far too easy with that weight so close to the waterline as it turns. Also if one is damaged and falls off it will drag down the ship as it come off, otherwise the other side will have more weight on it withn the other gun gone.

Oh and if the ammunition goes- seeing as with less deckspace it is more exposed and would cause more damage, it would mean a nice hole in the hull.

Compliments on the drawing.

Besides that.....why is it called the S.I.N. Ragnarok? Like specifically referring to sin and the end of the world?

Shakal Imperial Navy.

I dont like the complicated conning tower setup, and it seems a little too large for modern day operations.

Shakal Imperial Navy.

I dont like the complicated conning tower setup, and it seems a little too large for modern day operations.

Well....it still seems to imply sin and the end of the world.:p

Well....it still seems to imply sin and the end of the world.:p

Conflicting religions, unless Jesus is coming to save us and then destroy the world. . .

Roleplaying?!?

*shouts politics at Shakal*

That thing is supposed to cost 1 trillion? :eek:

To think of all the destroyers, frigates, aircraft carriers and modern, useful weapons you could buy for that's like 22 Nimitz carriers (math isnt my strong point and i used my comps calc) which would be. That's a compared air wing of 1980 aircraft, sink that thing 100's of times over. Beside this massive amount of carriers this cash is certainly enough to build multiple powerful fleets, hell you could arm a decent sized sub-continent and have change enough for a space station or two.

Conflicting religions, unless Jesus is coming to save us and then destroy the world. . .

I think they calleth it "Judgement Day".