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My eight-year-old daughter just explained the Trinity to me.

She was talking to me about what she sees as illogical, the idea of three-gods-in-one. Apparently, so far, her church has so far taught Jesus as 'son of God'.... rather than 'god, incarnate'.

Anyway - I pointed out that the 'common' conception is that God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are all 'one'... And she wanted me to explain to her how this might be possible. I admit my failing, and asked her if she could come up with an explanation for me.

This is her answer: (word-for-word, she wrote me a report)

First, you have God laying down on a metal board with a laser next to him. He cuts off his head and arms and grows them back, then molds his arms and head into Jesus.

Jesus does the same, and takes the skin out of it and leaves the spirit. Then you have all 3 people.

Thoughts?

God reproduces by budding? :confused:

My eight-year-old daughter just explained the Trinity to me.

She was talking to me about what she sees as illogical, the idea of three-gods-in-one. Apparently, so far, her church has so far taught Jesus as 'son of God'.... rather than 'god, incarnate'.

Anyway - I pointed out that the 'common' conception is that God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are all 'one'... And she wanted me to explain to her how this might be possible. I admit my failing, and asked her if she could come up with an explanation for me.

This is her answer: (word-for-word, she wrote me a report)

First, you have God laying down on a metal board with a laser next to him. He cuts off his head and arms and grows them back, then molds his arms and head into Jesus.

Jesus does the same, and takes the skin out of it and leaves the spirit. Then you have all 3 people.

Thoughts?

Wait, I thought I already gave a good explanation?

Thoughts?

Uh... don't encourage religious belief? :confused:

This is her answer: (word-for-word, she wrote me a report)

First, you have God laying down on a metal board with a laser next to him. He cuts off his head and arms and grows them back, then molds his arms and head into Jesus.

Jesus does the same, and takes the skin out of it and leaves the spirit. Then you have all 3 people.

Thoughts?

I like your daughter...do you want to arrange a playdate? My daughters would LOVE her:)

1. You let her watch far to many Sean Connery James Bond movies for an eight year old. (Though I don't expect her to talk).

2. Why is she going to a god bothering school?

My eight-year-old daughter just explained the Trinity to me.

She was talking to me about what she sees as illogical, the idea of three-gods-in-one. Apparently, so far, her church has so far taught Jesus as 'son of God'.... rather than 'god, incarnate'.

Anyway - I pointed out that the 'common' conception is that God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are all 'one'... And she wanted me to explain to her how this might be possible. I admit my failing, and asked her if she could come up with an explanation for me.

This is her answer: (word-for-word, she wrote me a report)

First, you have God laying down on a metal board with a laser next to him. He cuts off his head and arms and grows them back, then molds his arms and head into Jesus.

Jesus does the same, and takes the skin out of it and leaves the spirit. Then you have all 3 people.

Thoughts?
I won't believe it until it's been sigged in big letters . . .

I won't believe it until it's been sigged in big letters . . .

You are illogical.

Spirituality and science working together?

Brilliant!

Thoughts?

Church is no place for children... or anyone else for that matter, but especially not for children.

Church is no place for children... or anyone else for that matter, but especially not for children.

You're still bloody awake!?

Oh, and I agree.

That's hilarious. I like the explanation.

First, you have God laying down on a metal board with a laser next to him. He cuts off his head and arms and grows them back, then molds his arms and head into Jesus.

Jesus does the same, and takes the skin out of it and leaves the spirit. Then you have all 3 people.
My thoughts are that your 8-year old has watched too many Arnold Schwartzeneggar movies and is unnecessarily grotessque in imagry, but not all that far off in spirit.

Well done. If God, Jesus, Holy Spirit and spirit of man are seen in analogy, this woud be a good one. In Unity, God allows for Duality (is split); and in Duality (as split), God is known as split into Man and God; and then in Duality, the Unity is seen as a third thing (apart form Duality), so Man as God is split into Spirit and Other.

I like.

You're still bloody awake!?

You is not my mama!

You are illogical.

Wha? You have sigs on?

You is not my mama!

ORLY?

You is not my mama!

Good, because it's creepy enough knowing a gay swedish man wants to rim me without adding an Electra complex into the mix.

:D

Good, because it's creepy enough knowing a gay swedish man wants to rim me without adding an Electra complex into the mix.

:D

I think this is my cue to exit.

*hides*

Good, because it's creepy enough knowing a gay swedish man wants to rim me without adding an Electra complex into the mix.

:D

Your obsession with my imperviousness to your heterosexual perversions is starting to get mildly taxing.

Good, because it's creepy enough knowing a gay swedish man wants to rim me without adding an Electra complex into the mix.

:D

Are you positive that you've posited the correct complex?

Are you positive that you've posited the correct complex?

She failed. The complex would be Oedipal, but don't infuse her with the correct terminology...

Your obsession with my imperviousness to your heterosexual perversions is starting to get mildly taxing.

If you actually enjoyed it, I wouldn't be doing it. We don't have any political bones of contention, so me obsessing over your bone to your everlasting disgust is the only chance we have to bicker.

She failed. The complex would be Oedipal, but don't infuse her with the correct terminology...

Oh please, it's only fitting. You want me to be your daddy.[/hijack]

If you actually enjoyed it, I wouldn't be doing it. We don't have any political bones of contention, so me obsessing over your bone to your everlasting disgust is the only chance we have to bicker.
so in other words, since you don't have any bones to pick, you've just made up one big bone.

If you actually enjoyed it, I wouldn't be doing it. We don't have any political bones of contention, so me obsessing over your bone to your everlasting disgust is the only chance we have to bicker.

I shall always oppose your stance on Cuba, so there's one thing to distract you from my penis.

I know it's tough - it's one bitching, veiny penis, and no one can blame you - but it can be resisted. Witnessed it first hand, I have.

Oh please, it's only fitting. You want me to be your daddy.[/hijack]

I don't want you to be a dead homophobic jerk...

I don't want you to be a dead homophobic jerk...
Oooooh. Now THAT was mean. Pulling out the big guns in an attempt to cause me to feel chagrined. You bastard! *flees, because there is no come back to that*

"Next time Fass....next time!"

Oooooh. Now THAT was mean. Pulling out the big guns in an attempt to cause me to feel chagrined. You bastard! *flees, because there is no come back to that*

"Next time Fass....next time!"

Mwoahahaha! The "deceased parental hateful and abusive bastard" card beats all. http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/dance008.gif

Wha? You have sigs on?

Since the beginning of time.

http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/dance008.gif
That is the most delightful thing I have seen all day.

That is the most delightful thing I have seen all day.

Neato!

Since the beginning of time.

But apparently not /sarcasm :)

But apparently not /sarcasm :)

Or for me, October, which is the same thing.

My eight-year-old daughter just explained the Trinity to me.

She was talking to me about what she sees as illogical, the idea of three-gods-in-one. Apparently, so far, her church has so far taught Jesus as 'son of God'.... rather than 'god, incarnate'.

Anyway - I pointed out that the 'common' conception is that God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are all 'one'... And she wanted me to explain to her how this might be possible. I admit my failing, and asked her if she could come up with an explanation for me.

This is her answer: (word-for-word, she wrote me a report)

First, you have God laying down on a metal board with a laser next to him. He cuts off his head and arms and grows them back, then molds his arms and head into Jesus.

Jesus does the same, and takes the skin out of it and leaves the spirit. Then you have all 3 people.

Thoughts?

Makes more sense than the water explaination.

My eight-year-old daughter just explained the Trinity to me.

She was talking to me about what she sees as illogical, the idea of three-gods-in-one. Apparently, so far, her church has so far taught Jesus as 'son of God'.... rather than 'god, incarnate'.

Anyway - I pointed out that the 'common' conception is that God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are all 'one'... And she wanted me to explain to her how this might be possible. I admit my failing, and asked her if she could come up with an explanation for me.

This is her answer: (word-for-word, she wrote me a report)

First, you have God laying down on a metal board with a laser next to him. He cuts off his head and arms and grows them back, then molds his arms and head into Jesus.

Jesus does the same, and takes the skin out of it and leaves the spirit. Then you have all 3 people.

Thoughts?

SWEET :D ROFL

You are illogical.

There is no illogic.

Mwoahahaha! The "deceased parental hateful and abusive bastard" card beats all. http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/dance008.gif

Wait, does a "presently living parental hateful and abusive bastard" card win against the deceased variety by any chance?

There is no illogic.

so, there is illogic then?:confused:

so, there is illogic then?:confused:

SMUNKEE!!!!!@11 :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

Wait, does a "presently living parental hateful and abusive bastard" card win against the deceased variety by any chance?

Nope, because yours can still be converted into the "grudgingly accepting but still a bastard" card, while mine is immutable.

Nope, because yours can still be converted into the "grudgingly accepting but still a bastard" card, while mine is immutable.

Damn.

Well, at least there is a glimmer of hope in that sentiment, no matter how vague, unlikely, and unsatisfying it may be.

Damn.

Well, at least there is a glimmer of hope in that sentiment, no matter how vague, unlikely, and unsatisfying it may be.

Hey, you're talking to me. I don't do encouragement well.

Hey, you're talking to me. I don't do encouragement well.

Nonsense! I always find your posts encouraging! I wanna grow up to be a curmudgen, too :fluffle:

Hey, you're talking to me. I don't do encouragement well.

Good. I don't do sentimentality well either.

My eight-year-old daughter just explained the Trinity to me.

She was talking to me about what she sees as illogical, the idea of three-gods-in-one. Apparently, so far, her church has so far taught Jesus as 'son of God'.... rather than 'god, incarnate'.

Anyway - I pointed out that the 'common' conception is that God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are all 'one'... And she wanted me to explain to her how this might be possible. I admit my failing, and asked her if she could come up with an explanation for me.

This is her answer: (word-for-word, she wrote me a report)

First, you have God laying down on a metal board with a laser next to him. He cuts off his head and arms and grows them back, then molds his arms and head into Jesus.

Jesus does the same, and takes the skin out of it and leaves the spirit. Then you have all 3 people.

Thoughts?
Buy your angelic little daughter a fluffy white cat with a diamond collar, and when she's older, get her a volcano lair with an indoor monorail and a pool of piranhas in the living room. She'll have to buy her own golf course and lesbian flying school, though, I'm afraid. She has to learn that Daddy can't carry her through her whole life. ;)

PS: She's a girl after my own heart. I'm starting to suspect we may be related.

My eight-year-old daughter just explained the Trinity to me.

She was talking to me about what she sees as illogical, the idea of three-gods-in-one. Apparently, so far, her church has so far taught Jesus as 'son of God'.... rather than 'god, incarnate'.

Anyway - I pointed out that the 'common' conception is that God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are all 'one'... And she wanted me to explain to her how this might be possible. I admit my failing, and asked her if she could come up with an explanation for me.

This is her answer: (word-for-word, she wrote me a report)

First, you have God laying down on a metal board with a laser next to him. He cuts off his head and arms and grows them back, then molds his arms and head into Jesus.

Jesus does the same, and takes the skin out of it and leaves the spirit. Then you have all 3 people.

Thoughts?

thats some good thinking for an 8 year old. what did your wife think of the explanation? she should show it to your daughter's teacher or the head of religioius cirriculum at the church so they can get to the trinity sooner.

now im thinking that i should ask my neice's 8 year old daughter when i visit this summer. she goes to an all girl catholic elementary school. (she's taking her first holy communion this month!) i wonder if she has an explanation.

There is no illogic.

That's what you think.

Your 8 year old is smarter than many 18 year olds.

Is God a banana tree, or something?

Hilarious thread. Who needs theological debate when you have Fass and Neesika?:D

Neato!
It truly is amazing.

Nope, because yours can still be converted into the "grudgingly accepting but still a bastard" card, while mine is immutable.

Wait, does a "presently living parental hateful and abusive bastard" card win against the deceased variety by any chance?

Someone should really devise a real card game from this...

Trinity dies in The Matrix Revolutions. It was quite sad.

My eight-year-old daughter just explained the Trinity to me.

She was talking to me about what she sees as illogical, the idea of three-gods-in-one. Apparently, so far, her church has so far taught Jesus as 'son of God'.... rather than 'god, incarnate'.

Anyway - I pointed out that the 'common' conception is that God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are all 'one'... And she wanted me to explain to her how this might be possible. I admit my failing, and asked her if she could come up with an explanation for me.

This is her answer: (word-for-word, she wrote me a report)

First, you have God laying down on a metal board with a laser next to him. He cuts off his head and arms and grows them back, then molds his arms and head into Jesus.

Jesus does the same, and takes the skin out of it and leaves the spirit. Then you have all 3 people.

Thoughts?

Such a pity that someone so young might be encouraged to be religious. Deeply disconcerting. At least you have encouraged her to make up her own mind, in part.

Any explanation would be redundant or fallacious; that's religious belief for you.

Kudos to her; she recognises it's highly illogical.

Trinity dies in The Matrix Revolutions. It was quite sad.

Lies! There is only one Matrix movie, as if they made a sequel it would make no sense and have overly elaborate fight scenes that extend into the next century. Also, they would be poorly cut into two movies at a point which makes them absolutely anti-climactic.

Uh... don't encourage religious belief? :confused:

I have endorsed no particular path. My little girl is being allowed to make up her own mind.

She attends church because she wants to, and - should she decide she no longer wants to, she will no longer attend.

Meanwhile, although she knows that I have no religion, I have never even suggested my path is 'true' or 'right' for anyone but me. If she asks about the 'Creation of the World' she get's scientific theories, Christian ideas... and as many other ideas as I can recall... or find information for.

She's a smart kid (I think too many people think too little of the cognitive abilities of children), and I know she'll work out what is best for her.

Me? I don't have any preference which path she chooses. I just want it to be her choice.

I like your daughter...do you want to arrange a playdate? My daughters would LOVE her:)

Next time we are near Canada, I'll be sure to drop in. :)

Uh... don't encourage religious belief? :confused:
-_- Let the girl beleive what she wishes and dont force her

I have endorsed no particular path. My little girl is being allowed to make up her own mind.

She attends church because she wants to, and - should she decide she no longer wants to, she will no longer attend.

Meanwhile, although she knows that I have no religion, I have never even suggested my path is 'true' or 'right' for anyone but me. If she asks about the 'Creation of the World' she get's scientific theories, Christian ideas... and as many other ideas as I can recall... or find information for.

She's a smart kid (I think too many people think too little of the cognitive abilities of children), and I know she'll work out what is best for her.

Me? I don't have any preference which path she chooses. I just want it to be her choice.

Make sure you include the Hindu creation myths in that list. For the sake of the Indian food...

Anyway, if and when I eventually do marry/have kids (which wont be for a long time) that's my game plan as well. He/she will get to pick his/her own ideological path.

Though I think I'd probably shoot myself if my kid became a Creationist.

1. You let her watch far to many Sean Connery James Bond movies for an eight year old. (Though I don't expect her to talk).


I'm not sure she's seen any Bond.

More likely, she might have been inspired by the Hank Scorpio episode of The Smpsons.


2. Why is she going to a god bothering school?

This is rural NE Georgia. All schools are 'god bothering' schools here.

Church is no place for children... or anyone else for that matter, but especially not for children.

I don't think anyone should be compelled to have any religious stance. That is why my child has all the information I can give her, and the space to make her own decision.

Buy your angelic little daughter a fluffy white cat with a diamond collar, and when she's older, get her a volcano lair with an indoor monorail and a pool of piranhas in the living room. She'll have to buy her own golf course and lesbian flying school, though, I'm afraid. She has to learn that Daddy can't carry her through her whole life. ;)


This seems unfair. I've paid my dues. If anyone is going to get an evil supergenius volcano lair, it should be me dammit!


PS: She's a girl after my own heart. I'm starting to suspect we may be related.

She's an artist, too.... ;)

Make sure you include the Hindu creation myths in that list. For the sake of the Indian food...

Anyway, if and when I eventually do marry/have kids (which wont be for a long time) that's my game plan as well. He/she will get to pick his/her own ideological path.

Though I think I'd probably shoot myself if my kid became a Creationist.

My daughter had the good fortune to live with us in the UK for almost a year. Over there, her 'creche' (though designed to cater to 2 or 3 year olds) was very cosmopolitan, and they got to learn about a lot of different cultural franchises. So - around Diwali, for example (which is quite an event in Leicester), they had 'lessons' on Hindu, Sikh and Jain religion.

Hindu Creationism is cool... gods within lotus flowers within navels within gods. Much groovier than boring old "I make you out of mud". :)

My eight-year-old daughter just explained the Trinity to me.

She was talking to me about what she sees as illogical, the idea of three-gods-in-one. Apparently, so far, her church has so far taught Jesus as 'son of God'.... rather than 'god, incarnate'.

Anyway - I pointed out that the 'common' conception is that God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are all 'one'... And she wanted me to explain to her how this might be possible. I admit my failing, and asked her if she could come up with an explanation for me.

This is her answer: (word-for-word, she wrote me a report)

First, you have God laying down on a metal board with a laser next to him. He cuts off his head and arms and grows them back, then molds his arms and head into Jesus.

Jesus does the same, and takes the skin out of it and leaves the spirit. Then you have all 3 people.

Thoughts?

Anyone in your lineage who doesn't rock?
:D

I've explained it to my kids this way:

God - the metaclass
The Holy Spirit - the class
Jesus - the instance

My eight-year-old daughter just explained the Trinity to me.

She was talking to me about what she sees as illogical, the idea of three-gods-in-one. Apparently, so far, her church has so far taught Jesus as 'son of God'.... rather than 'god, incarnate'.

Anyway - I pointed out that the 'common' conception is that God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are all 'one'... And she wanted me to explain to her how this might be possible. I admit my failing, and asked her if she could come up with an explanation for me.

This is her answer: (word-for-word, she wrote me a report)

First, you have God laying down on a metal board with a laser next to him. He cuts off his head and arms and grows them back, then molds his arms and head into Jesus.

Jesus does the same, and takes the skin out of it and leaves the spirit. Then you have all 3 people.

Thoughts?
I'd call it the, "No Mister Bond, I Expect You To Die" model of Christianity. Good stuff.

The truth shall come from the mouths of babes :)

Just as I suspected; It's all done with lasers! :D

Just as I suspected; It's all done with lasers! :D

Isn't everything? :p

I don't think anyone should be compelled to have any religious stance. That is why my child has all the information I can give her, and the space to make her own decision.

That's a rather respectable way to go about it.

Something tells me you're working on raising a uniquely well-adjusted, self-confident child.

Such a pity that someone so young might be encouraged to be religious. Deeply disconcerting. At least you have encouraged her to make up her own mind, in part.

Any explanation would be redundant or fallacious; that's religious belief for you.

Kudos to her; she recognises it's highly illogical.

So does Gravy, But he is willing to let his daughter explore rather then forbidding the learning of religion.

***Please read the entire document before posting replies (I most likely will not -but might- be replying to comments as this is my thought: either one believes God, or one does not.)***

In an effort to inform, from Koehler's A Summary of Christian Doctrine (all Biblical references using the King James Version. My apologies to those who use a more lingually modern translation, but I figured if I am quoting another man's work, I should use the translation which he used.):

IX. THE TRIUNE GOD

A. The Unity of God

1. "There is ONE Divine Essence which is called and which is God" (The Augsburg Confession, Article I, 2, Triglot, p. 43). "The Lord our God is one Lord ...There is one God; and there is none other but He" (Mark 12: 29. 32); (Isaiah 44: 6).

2. The Bible teaches a strict monotheism (personal edit for definition: one God), and definitely excludes every form of dualism and polytheism. Dualism teaches the existence of two mutually hostile superior beings, one representing everything morally good and beneficial to man, while the other is the source of all sin and evil. Polytheism is the belief in more gods then one, as we find in the religion of the ancient Greeks and Romans. Both, dualism and polytheism, virtually destroy the concept of God as the highest essence. If there are more gods than one, each must necessarily be limited in his sphere by the other, and it is possible to think of a god who is higher than the others. Indeed, there are many that are called gods by men (I Corinthians 8: 5); However, these are not gods in essence, but are merely regarded and worshiped as gods; there are not gods, but men make them gods. "We know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one" (I Corinthians 8: 4).

3. Practical importance. -Worshiping this one God, we do not get into conflict with any other. If He blesses us, no other god can curse us. "If God be for us, who can be against us?" (Romans 8: 31). But is He is turned against us, "there is none that can deliver out of Thine hand" (Job 10: 7). There is no appeal from Him to a higher and mightier one, for there is no God beside Him. Hence, it is He, and He only, whom we must worship and to whom we must turn for help and salvation. "This is life eternal, that they might know Thee the only true God, and Jesus Chrust, whom Thou hast sent" (John 17: 3).

B. The Trinity of God

1. Three distinct Persons. -In the undivided and indivisible Essence of God there are three distinct Persons. "And in the term 'person' they use as the Fathers (person edit for definition: Church Fathers) have used it, to signify, not a part or a quality in another, but that which subsists of itself" (The Augsburg Confession, Article I, 4, Triglot, p. 43).

Bible proof. -The doctrine of the Trinity is not a New Testament development, as some hold, but is clearly taught also in the Old Testament. "Come ye near unto Me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning' from the that is was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and His Spirit hath send Me" (Isaiah 48: 16). Here three Persons are clearly distinguished. "Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever: The sceptre of Thy kingdom is a right sceptre. Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, Thy God, hath anointed Thee with the oil of gladness above Thy fellows" (Psalm 45: 6. 7). Here God is anointed by God with the oil of gladness, which is the Holy Ghost (Acts 10: 38). In the very first verses of the Bible we learn of God and of the Spirit of God and of the Word of God (personal edti for definition: Jesus Christ: the living Word of God), by whom all things were made (Genesis 1: 1-3); (John 1: 1-3). Because there are more Persons than one, God said: "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness" (Genesis 1: 26). From the New Testament we learn that three distinct Persons were revealed at the baptism of Christ (Matthew 3: 16. 17), and that all nations should be baptized "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" (Matthew 28: 19); (II Corinthians 13: 14).

2. The Father is true God. -Of the Father Jesus says that He is "the only true God" (John 17: 3). Paul writes: "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in Him" (I Corinthians 8: 6).

He is a Person distinct from the Son. God "gave His on begotten Son" (John 3: 16); in the fulness of time "God sent forth His Son" (Galatians 4: 4). He is distinct also from the Holy Ghost, since He anointed "Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power" (Acts 10: 38). In Galatians 4: 6 He is distinguished from the Son and the Spirit: "God hath sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts."

The Father, Himself unbegotten, begat the Son from eternity. "The Lord hath said unto Me, Thou art My Son; this day have I begotten Thee" (Psalm 2: 7). Together with the Son He spirate the Holy Ghost from eternity. "When the Comforter is com, whom I will send unto you from teh Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, He shall testify of Me" (John 15: 26).

3. The Son is true God. -"This" (Jesus Christ) "is the true God, and eternal life" (1 John 5: 20). Paul (personal edit for definition: the same Paul that wrote the earlier quote) says of Him that He "is over all, God blessed Forever" (Romans 9: 5). He is not merely similar (homoi-ousios) to the Father, as Arius taught, but He is coequal with, and of the same essence as, the Father (homo-ousios). Hence, "all men should honor the Son, even as they honor the Father" (John 5: 23).

He is distinct from the Father (John 3: 16; Galatians 4: 4), and from the Holy Ghost, whom He calls "another Comforter" than Himself (John 14: 16. 17).

He is begotten from the Father from eternity (Psalm 2: 7; John 3: 16), and together with the Father He sends forth the Spirit of truth (John 15: 26).

4. The Holy Ghost is true God. -Peter tells Ananias that, when he lied unto the Holy Ghost, he had lied unto God (Acts 5: 3. 4). Christians are called the temple of God, because the Holy Ghost dwells in them (I Corinthians 3: 16).

He is distinct from the Father and the Son, for in John 14: 16 Christ clearly differentiates between Himself, the Father, and the Comforter.

The Holy Ghost did not beget, nor was He begotten, but He proceeds from the Father and the Son from eternity. He is the Spirit both of the Father (Matthew 10: 20) and of the Son (Galatians 4: 6). He proceeds from the Father, and is at the same time sent by the Son (John 15: 26). "Jesus breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost" (John 20: 22).

The eternal generation of the Son by the Father and the eternal spiration of the Holy Ghost by the Father and the Son are facts plainly taught in the Bible; but they are not explained, hence are profound mysteries to us. We learn and believe what the Bible says about this and other mysteries, but we cannot comprehend how these things can be.

5. Trinity in unity. -The Father is God; the Son is God; the Holy Ghost is God. Yet there are not three Gods, but only ONE God. "As we are compelled by Christian verity to acknowledge every Person by Himself to be God and Lord, so we are forbidden by the catholic (personal edit for definition: catholic with a lower case c means of or relating to the ancient indivisable Church (the invisible church), not the Roman Catholic Church) religion to say, There are thee Gods, or three Lords" (The Athanasian Creed). Neither is the Deity split into three parts, each Person being one-third of the Godhead; but each Person is the fullness of the Godhead (Colossians 2: 9). Neither is each only a different manifestations, or phase , of the one divine Essence, as ice and steam are but different forms of water, but each is a distinct Person, and each is the full and complete God. Thus the Father is the one and only God (John 17: 3); the Son is the one and only God (I John 5: 20); the Holy Ghost is the one and only God (Acts 5: 3. 4). There is no subordination of one Person to the other, but the three Persons are of equal rank and majesty, non to be preferred before the other (John 5: 23). While definitely distinct in person, they are one is essence. Christ says: "He that hath seen Me, hath seen the Father" (John 14: 9), and "I and My Father are one" (John 10: 30). In this text teh Greek has for "one" the neuter "hen," and not the masculine "heis," which shows that they are one in essence, but not one in person. When Christ says: "My Father is great than I" (John 14: 28), this must not be understood of the Deity, but of the humanity of Chrust in His humiliation. "Equal to the Father as touching His Godhead, and inferior to the Father as touching His manhood." ..."We worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; neither confounding the Persons, nor dividing the Substance" (Athanasion Creed).

6. Ours is and incomprehensible God. -He is incomprehensible is His essense; we do not know what His essence is, and of what it consists. He is incomprehensible also in His attributes. According the the Scriputers we, indeed, distinguish between essence and attributes. Still, God's attributes are not qualities inherent in a divine substance, but as God is an absolutely simple and indivisible Being, His essence and His attributes are one. "God is love" (I Johbn 4: 8). God is incomprehensible in His Trinity in Unity. There is no analogy, no simile, no illustration in the wide realm of human thought which could clarify for us this profound mystery.

It is futile and foolish for man to try to penetrate deeper into the mystery of God than it is revealed to us in the Bible. The finite mind of man simply cannot comprehend the infinite God. He transcends conceptual thought and eludes intellectual grasp. For the present let us be content with what we read in the Bible: "Belived, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be; but we know that, when He shall appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is" (I John 3: 2).

7. The Doctrine the the Holy Trinity is a fundamental article of our Christian fath. -"He, therefore, that will be saved must thus think of the Trinity" (Athanasian Creed). Faith in the Triune God means more than accepting the bare teaching of Three Persons in One Essence; it includes reliance and confidence in the saving work of the Trinity. A reading of the Athanasion Creed will bring out this fact very clearly.




Note: Just because something is not understood does not mean it is not true. Throughout ages peoples have thought that they have known truth, through observation, science, or whatever other means, only for future persons to discover them false. To those who would deny the eternal Triune God: denying the Creator and Ruler of all existence is not a jest to take lightly. It is clear from nature there is a god. He makes clear in His Word enough of what He has done and who He is for us to be saved from our sinful state of being.

Thank you for your time.

-Mr. Gieschen

I don't think anyone should be compelled to have any religious stance. That is why my child has all the information I can give her, and the space to make her own decision.

i agree with that a child should figure religion out for themselves. after all if someone else tells you what religion you are then how can it be your belief.

i personally think that the things that chil;dren find illogical about religion should be left at that untill they are older otherwise they just get confused beyond reason.

i remember a time when my baby sister was three years old, i was twenty three, and her grandfather died, my stepmother tried to make it easier for her by using the below diologue.

sister: wheres grandad gone?

sm: to see jesus

sister: whos that?

sm: he lives in heaven with god?

sister: wheres heaven?

sm: in the sky

sister: when will he be back?

sm: he wont


and so on; untill in the end she decided that her grandfather had caught a plane to go and see a guy with an unusual name who must have been some kind of terrorist because he was going to be held hostage for the rest of time!

it got worse as she got older and couldnt figure out why hed moved to a grave yard but was somehow still in heaven.

when my grandmother died when i was of a similar age i was told by my mother simply that she had died. just like how insects and plants died, that i wouldnt see her again because she was dead and that maybe part of her was happy somewhere that i could never go. i didnt like it by i understood. for a child the simplest explanations are the best because all that children really like is simplicity. toy, food, parent, bed. not abstract theory, nutrition lessons and sleep analysis.

So does Gravy, But he is willing to let his daughter explore rather then forbidding the learning of religion.

it's all part of trusting your kids and respecting them as people. If you think your kid is intelligent enough to explore the world, then let them. If you don't... well, I feel sorry for your kid.

it's all part of trusting your kids and respecting them as people. If you think your kid is intelligent enough to explore the world, then let them. If you don't... well, I feel sorry for your kid.

Agreed, it shows a lot of trust and love to let your kid learn about a belief you feel is false

How many people out there honestly can say they do that? it is saddningly rare

it's all part of trusting your kids and respecting them as people. If you think your kid is intelligent enough to explore the world, then let them. If you don't... well, I feel sorry for your kid.

How bout you, Smunkee, as far as what the kids are learning about the spiritual side of things? Just out of curiosity.

How bout you, Smunkee, as far as what the kids are learning about the spiritual side of things? Just out of curiosity.

I let them explore as much as they want......they are still pretty young, so they haven't asked many of the big questions yet. Mostly the same conversation over and over with my 5 year old

5yo- have you ever seen God?
me- nope
5yo- where is He?
me- I have no idea
5yo- and yet, you expect me to believe?
me- nope
5yo- is Santa real?
me- no
5yo- Easter bunny?
me- no
5yo- tooth fairy?
me- no
5yo- God?
me- I think so
5yo- but you don't really know do you?
me- nope.

Cool, so you're going to let them decide for themselves whether or not they want Sunday School/Church?

That'd make you by far one of the coolest Christians I know.

Cool, so you're going to let them decide for themselves whether or not they want Sunday School/Church?

That'd make you by far one of the coolest Christians I know.

right now it's a social thing for them, but if they didn't want to go, I would figure out childcare so they didn't have to. I am not in the business of trying to force religious belief, it's pointless and abusive.

I don't even make the 5yo eat meat, she has decided recently that it's bad for the environment....I am still trying to figure out how......but then I was a vegan for a while before she was born, so I know what to feed her.

right now it's a social thing for them, but if they didn't want to go, I would figure out childcare so they didn't have to. I am not in the business of trying to force religious belief, it's pointless and abusive.

I don't even make the 5yo eat meat, she has decided recently that it's bad for the environment....I am still trying to figure out how......but then I was a vegan for a while before she was born, so I know what to feed her.

Awesome.

Hmm...that is odd. Not the vegan part, so much as the deciding it's bad for the environment part.

Awesome.

Hmm...that is odd. Not the vegan part, so much as the deciding it's bad for the environment part.

she has been on an "environment" kick for a while now... we have to use canvas bags for shopping, I sold my Jeep and bought a car, we buy all our veggies at the local farmers market (well, the ones we don't grow) we quit using the electric dryer......I am trying to accommodate the kid as much as possible.... I refuse to give up my morning shower though, 15 minutes really isn't that long (she thinks so though).

I think her problem is that the cows take up a lot of space, or our meat isn't local, or the feed isn't local.....or something, she says a lot of things, I can't quite follow. Like I said though, other than hubby, going vegetarian wouldn't be a big issue here, and he is cool with meat a few nights a week.

she has been on an "environment" kick for a while now... we have to use canvas bags for shopping, I sold my Jeep and bought a car, we buy all our veggies at the local farmers market (well, the ones we don't grow) we quit using the electric dryer......I am trying to accommodate the kid as much as possible.... I refuse to give up my morning shower though, 15 minutes really isn't that long (she thinks so though).

I think her problem is that the cows take up a lot of space, or our meat isn't local, or the feed isn't local.....or something, she says a lot of things, I can't quite follow. Like I said though, other than hubby, going vegetarian wouldn't be a big issue here, and he is cool with meat a few nights a week.

Nifty. I'm sort on going in the opposite direction. Entire family is vegetarian, and I've been trying out different kinds of meat over the past few years to see if it's worth it.

I'm a particular fan of sashimi.

My eight-year-old daughter just explained the Trinity to me.

She was talking to me about what she sees as illogical, the idea of three-gods-in-one. Apparently, so far, her church has so far taught Jesus as 'son of God'.... rather than 'god, incarnate'.

Anyway - I pointed out that the 'common' conception is that God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are all 'one'... And she wanted me to explain to her how this might be possible. I admit my failing, and asked her if she could come up with an explanation for me.

This is her answer: (word-for-word, she wrote me a report)

First, you have God laying down on a metal board with a laser next to him. He cuts off his head and arms and grows them back, then molds his arms and head into Jesus.

Jesus does the same, and takes the skin out of it and leaves the spirit. Then you have all 3 people.

Thoughts?

Heh. I think I would like your daughter. :)

My eight-year-old daughter just explained the Trinity to me.

She was talking to me about what she sees as illogical, the idea of three-gods-in-one. Apparently, so far, her church has so far taught Jesus as 'son of God'.... rather than 'god, incarnate'.

Anyway - I pointed out that the 'common' conception is that God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are all 'one'... And she wanted me to explain to her how this might be possible. I admit my failing, and asked her if she could come up with an explanation for me.

This is her answer: (word-for-word, she wrote me a report)

First, you have God laying down on a metal board with a laser next to him. He cuts off his head and arms and grows them back, then molds his arms and head into Jesus.

Jesus does the same, and takes the skin out of it and leaves the spirit. Then you have all 3 people.

Thoughts?

I think your daughter is awesome. And probably a genius. We should get her together with Smunkee's kids and they'll take over the world.

MUAHAHAHAHAHA! =)

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, maybe you should spend less time playing nation states and go ask a priest. :upyours:

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, maybe you should spend less time playing nation states and go ask a priest. :upyours:



See my posting on the Trinity. That's about as thorough an explaination as I think you'll get. ;)

Anyone in your lineage who doesn't rock?
:D

*bows*

Not so far. I wasn't too sure about my sister for a while, but then she broke someone's nose with a French vocabulary book...

That's a rather respectable way to go about it.

Something tells me you're working on raising a uniquely well-adjusted, self-confident child.

Working on it, yes. Hard to be sure - but it seems to be working out quite well, so far. :) (I need a fastforward button...)

Cool, so you're going to let them decide for themselves whether or not they want Sunday School/Church?

That'd make you by far one of the coolest Christians I know.

Smunkee is one of the coolest Christians you know. Smunkee is one of the coolest Christians anyone knows.

I think your daughter is awesome. And probably a genius. We should get her together with Smunkee's kids and they'll take over the world.

MUAHAHAHAHAHA! =)

Ooohh.... now, that's a good idea! Well, except for the risk that they would rename it Planet Hello Kitty or something...

Ooohh.... now, that's a good idea! Well, except for the risk that they would rename it Planet Hello Kitty or something...

I'd be up for that. I used to love Hello Kitty. =)

Ooohh.... now, that's a good idea! Well, except for the risk that they would rename it Planet Hello Kitty or something...

that's a pretty high risk......my kids would totally do that.

she has been on an "environment" kick for a while now... we have to use canvas bags for shopping, I sold my Jeep and bought a car, we buy all our veggies at the local farmers market (well, the ones we don't grow) we quit using the electric dryer......I am trying to accommodate the kid as much as possible.... I refuse to give up my morning shower though, 15 minutes really isn't that long (she thinks so though).

I think her problem is that the cows take up a lot of space, or our meat isn't local, or the feed isn't local.....or something, she says a lot of things, I can't quite follow. Like I said though, other than hubby, going vegetarian wouldn't be a big issue here, and he is cool with meat a few nights a week.

Cows eat a lot more grains and such than the amount of beef they produce. Check out Diet for a Small Planet for more info. They also fart a lot, and methane is considered a greenhouse gas.

Nifty. I'm sort on going in the opposite direction. Entire family is vegetarian, and I've been trying out different kinds of meat over the past few years to see if it's worth it.

I'm a particular fan of sashimi.

Sashimi = yummy goodness!

I'd be up for that. I used to love Hello Kitty. =)

of course my girls would be equally likely to rename the planet "mostly harmless"

of course my girls would be equally likely to rename the planet "mostly harmless"

*tear

I like your children more every time I hear about them.

One of these days, when I have children, I'm going to be bugging you and Grave for parenting tips.

of course my girls would be equally likely to rename the planet "mostly harmless"

How deceptive. Your kids either haven't been disillusioned yet, or they are truly devious. Either way, 'sall good.

How deceptive. Your kids either haven't been disillusioned yet, or they are truly devious. Either way, 'sall good.

truly devious, and they read a LOT. (hence the "mostly harmless")

of course my girls would be equally likely to rename the planet "mostly harmless"

Sounds good to me! All in favor of letting Smunkee and Grave's kids run the world, say "aye." :)

My eight-year-old daughter just explained the Trinity to me.

She was talking to me about what she sees as illogical, the idea of three-gods-in-one. Apparently, so far, her church has so far taught Jesus as 'son of God'.... rather than 'god, incarnate'.

Anyway - I pointed out that the 'common' conception is that God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are all 'one'... And she wanted me to explain to her how this might be possible. I admit my failing, and asked her if she could come up with an explanation for me.

This is her answer: (word-for-word, she wrote me a report)

First, you have God laying down on a metal board with a laser next to him. He cuts off his head and arms and grows them back, then molds his arms and head into Jesus.

Jesus does the same, and takes the skin out of it and leaves the spirit. Then you have all 3 people.

Thoughts?

Quite the creative lass you have there. Reminds me a bit of myself as a child. :)

Of course, given my non-physicalist perspective on the nature of God, I'll have to politely disagree with her explanation.

*tear

I like your children more every time I hear about them.

One of these days, when I have children, I'm going to be bugging you and Grave for parenting tips.

oh, you don't want any from me, I haven't figured out how to stop the random outbursts.......a few days back (Friday I believe) the 3yo keeps asking to roll her window down in the car, and I keep saying "no" because it was snowing, and she keeps on and I keep saying "no", then I pull through the bank to get cash for lunch and I roll down my window for the ATM, and she starts screaming at me

HYPOCRITE HYPOCRITE HYPOCRITE

right now it's a social thing for them, but if they didn't want to go, I would figure out childcare so they didn't have to. I am not in the business of trying to force religious belief, it's pointless and abusive.

I don't even make the 5yo eat meat, she has decided recently that it's bad for the environment....I am still trying to figure out how......but then I was a vegan for a while before she was born, so I know what to feed her.
Well, cows produce allot of methane, which is bad. Also, growing meat uses more arable land and energy than growing 'produce' of an equal nutritional value. So while it may not be explicitly bad for the environment (except the cow thing), it is bad in the not using the environment to its fullest potential way.

oh, you don't want any from me, I haven't figured out how to stop the random outbursts.......a few days back (Friday I believe) the 3yo keeps asking to roll her window down in the car, and I keep saying "no" because it was snowing, and she keeps on and I keep saying "no", then I pull through the bank to get cash for lunch and I roll down my window for the ATM, and she starts screaming at me

HYPOCRITE HYPOCRITE HYPOCRITE
Tell her that you are the adult and allowed to be a hypocrite, then back-hand her for giving you lip.

Well, cows produce allot of methane, which is bad. Also, growing meat uses more arable land and energy than growing 'produce' of an equal nutritional value. So while it may not be explicitly bad for the environment (except the cow thing), it is bad in the not using the environment to its fullest potential way.

I asked her again earlier and she sent me this link.........apparently she is upset that our meat doesn't come from local family farmers, and such doesn't want to eat it.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4176/is_20050423/ai_n15822581

I asked her again earlier and she sent me this link.........apparently she is upset that our meat doesn't come from local family farmers, and such doesn't want to eat it.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4176/is_20050423/ai_n15822581

Seems to me this is the part she is upset about:
About 450,000 factory farms produce most American meat, using an enormous amount of resources and contributing to virtually every environmental problem we face. Factory farms are responsible for about half of our total water use, and animal waste causes water pollution that devastates ecosystems and poisons groundwater. Waste and chemicals from factory farms also cause air pollution and human health problems. Cows and manure pits even produce greenhouse gases, contributing to the climate crisis.But then again, you prolly know her better.

Tell her that you are the adult and allowed to be a hypocrite, then back-hand her for giving you lip.

:p no.

I explained that I hadn't explained the rule properly earlier, and that since I was under a port that the snow wasn't getting in, and that if she would rather I not get money out and we not eat lunch, that's fine with me.

to which the 5yo replied to her sister "you aren't going to win this one" and they both decided to play Barbies on the way to the restaurant.

Isn't everything? :p

Everything that matters. *nod*

I asked her again earlier and she sent me this link.........apparently she is upset that our meat doesn't come from local family farmers, and such doesn't want to eat it.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4176/is_20050423/ai_n15822581

Your 5yo is on the internet reading articles about environmentalism? Jesus Christ! I don't think I could even spell environmentalism at that age.

Are you related to Lunatic Goofballs and his crazy spawn?;)

Your 5yo is on the internet reading articles about environmentalism? Jesus Christ! I don't think I could even spell environmentalism at that age.

she probably can't either, she's horrible at spelling. :D She is a voracious reader though.....I had to get one of those stupid filter thingies for her computer....

of course my girls would be equally likely to rename the planet "mostly harmless"

+1 Cool Points (each, I guess... ) for Douglas Adams refs... :)

Your 5yo is on the internet reading articles about environmentalism? Jesus Christ! I don't think I could even spell environmentalism at that age.

This has come up on the forum before - I think it all comes down to how you talk to your kids, and what you expect of them.

My little girl wouldn't spell 'environmentalism' right, probably - but she'd get it close enough phonetically, that google could probably find her what she wanted.

If you talk to your kids at the level they reach to, rather than trying to tailor it down to some perceived 'kid' level, they respond to that.

Your 5yo is on the internet reading articles about environmentalism? Jesus Christ! I don't think I could even spell environmentalism at that age.

Heh. It could be sillier; when I was five, I'd read anything I could get my hands on even vaguely related to dinosaurs. Now, that doesn't sound too weird until you recognize that my mother is a biologist who had access to a fair number of very dry paleontological and geological research. I loved these. My mother would bring me a copy of a thirty-page paper on, say, plant life in modern-day China during the Cretaceous, and I would read the whole thing and insist on discussing it with everyone I met. I honestly don't think most little kids are scared off by "big words" until someone suggests they ought to be. :)

By contrast, I was tasked in 4th grade to write an essay about Mars. My submission was a single line.

"Mars is a planet."

My parents still make fun of me about it, 13 years later.

By contrast, I was tasked in 4th grade to write an essay about Mars. My submission was a single line.

"Mars is a planet."

My parents still make fun of me about it, 13 years later.
What color planet?

By contrast, I was tasked in 4th grade to write an essay about Mars. My submission was a single line.

"Mars is a planet."

My parents still make fun of me about it, 13 years later.

I wrote a "short story" in the 4th grade that had to be 2 pages long, so I went into all kinds of detail trying to drag it out, when I realized I was just about at the bottom of the second page, I said "and then some stuff happened, and everyone was happy, the end."

I got a B.

:D

(btw, the story had no plot, no beginning, no climax, no protagonist, no antagonist, just a cow, trying on dresses, and a rather apathetic ending)

I wrote a "short story" in the 4th grade that had to be 2 pages long, so I went into all kinds of detail trying to drag it out, when I realized I was just about at the bottom of the second page, I said "and then some stuff happened, and everyone was happy, the end."

I got a B.

:D

(btw, the story had no plot, no beginning, no climax, no protagonist, no antagonist, just a cow, trying on dresses, and a rather apathetic ending)

All my friends stories started with "One day I was riding my dirt bike and"

By contrast, I was tasked in 4th grade to write an essay about Mars. My submission was a single line.

"Mars is a planet."

My parents still make fun of me about it, 13 years later.

Hee hee. I guess it's better than if you'd written "Mars is a moon" or "Mars is a brand of candy bar" or something. :p

I wrote a "short story" in the 4th grade that had to be 2 pages long, so I went into all kinds of detail trying to drag it out, when I realized I was just about at the bottom of the second page, I said "and then some stuff happened, and everyone was happy, the end."

I got a B.

:D

(btw, the story had no plot, no beginning, no climax, no protagonist, no antagonist, just a cow, trying on dresses, and a rather apathetic ending)

Wait...a cow trying on dresses?

That's a great explanation of the Trinity. The cow in the dark and frumpy dress is the Father, the cow in the sleek earth-toned jumpsuit is the Son, and the cow in the invisible and formless dress is the Holy Spirit.

***Please read the entire document before posting replies (I most likely will not -but might- be replying to comments as this is my thought: either one believes God, or one does not.)***

<snip>

Thank you for your time.

-Mr. Gieschen

fine but miss gravenidle put it so much more succinctly.

Hee hee. I guess it's better than if you'd written "Mars is a moon" or "Mars is a brand of candy bar" or something. :p

My defense at the time was that she had asked us to write an essay of an unspecified length to answer the question of what [assigned planet] is. I answered the question.

I've got a fairly well-developed reputation for brevity, as you might imagine, but if anything it's made me a better writer in the long term.

I've got a fairly well-developed reputation for brevity, as you might imagine, but if anything it's made me a better writer in the long term.

Don't let WYTYG in on that :eek:

fine but miss gravenidle put it so much more succinctly.

Indubitably... :)

Indubitably... :)

you took that well!

welcome to NSG.

Thanks, good to be here.

Thanks, good to be here.

:D you are so.......civilized. I hope we don't beat that out of you.

so.....tell me about yourself so we can be friends.

she has been on an "environment" kick for a while now... we have to use canvas bags for shopping, I sold my Jeep and bought a car, we buy all our veggies at the local farmers market (well, the ones we don't grow) we quit using the electric dryer......I am trying to accommodate the kid as much as possible.... I refuse to give up my morning shower though, 15 minutes really isn't that long (she thinks so though).

I think her problem is that the cows take up a lot of space, or our meat isn't local, or the feed isn't local.....or something, she says a lot of things, I can't quite follow. Like I said though, other than hubby, going vegetarian wouldn't be a big issue here, and he is cool with meat a few nights a week.

Wait, wait, sold the Jeep? The Jeep?

Hehe ...well simply put, I am myself, but my myspace page could describe myself much more easily than it would be for me to type here. http://www.myspace.com/gieschen

fine but miss gravenidle put it so much more succinctly.

:D

And I know which version I find more easy on the eye. :)

Wait, wait, sold the Jeep? The Jeep?

I know......I love the kid though. I got me a little bitty Kia, and it gets like 40mpg......

I know......I love the kid though. I got me a little bitty Kia, and it gets like 40mpg......

Woooo! You're now the second person I know who drives a car I can outrace in my little Honda Civic.

I know......I love the kid though. I got me a little bitty Kia, and it gets like 40mpg......Yes, but does it have a Hemi?

:D you are so.......civilized. I hope we don't beat that out of you.

so.....tell me about yourself so we can be friends.

hmm.... it didn't post my initial reply. Anyhow, my myspace page would explain "me" a lot easier. myspace.com/gieschen

Woooo! You're now the second person I know who drives a car I can outrace in my little Honda Civic.

:D I am carting kids, totally uninterested in racing anyone.

I can get it up to 60 faster than I could in my Jeep......and it's new, whereas my Jeep was old, really old.

It was fortuitous that I quit the job I needed the Jeep for about the same time she started getting all crazy about our "carbon footprint", although my resignation had little to do with her ranting and more to do with hubby's ranting. (I wasn't sleeping.......like ever, and got really sick)

hmm.... it didn't post my initial reply. Anyhow, my myspace page would explain "me" a lot easier. myspace.com/gieschen

until you get to 10 posts, the system sometimes holds them back. its a semi-functional anti-spam measure.

but at least we dont get advertising spam here.

:D I am carting kids, totally uninterested in racing anyone.

I can get it up to 60 faster than I could in my Jeep......and it's new, whereas my Jeep was old, really old.

It was fortuitous that I quit the job I needed the Jeep for about the same time she started getting all crazy about our "carbon footprint", although my resignation had little to do with her ranting and more to do with hubby's ranting. (I wasn't sleeping.......like ever, and got really sick)

That is pretty fortuitous. Not the least in that I assume you now get more sleep.
My mom did the stay at home mom thing for a while, but after my sis started high school she decided she was WAY too bored around the house.

hmm.... it didn't post my initial reply. Anyhow, my myspace page would explain "me" a lot easier. myspace.com/gieschen

you are a very interesting person, and you have the second myspace page ever that didn't hurt me.....

I hope you stick around!

my blog used to be linked in my sig it's smunkee.blogspot.com

be forewarned though, it's where I whine about stuff.

you are a very interesting person, and you have the second myspace page ever that didn't hurt me.....

I hope you stick around!

my blog used to be linked in my sig it's smunkee.blogspot.com

be forewarned though, it's where I whine about stuff.


Gotta do that someplace. :)

That is pretty fortuitous. Not the least in that I assume you now get more sleep.
My mom did the stay at home mom thing for a while, but after my sis started high school she decided she was WAY too bored around the house.

there is no time for boredom here, I homeschool both kids, hubby is still in college (coming up on 10 years of it now) and I went back... and I run 3 businesses out of the house.

I just quit my big stress job, and a lot of the "little stressy" ones that took me out of the house.

oh, you don't want any from me, I haven't figured out how to stop the random outbursts.......a few days back (Friday I believe) the 3yo keeps asking to roll her window down in the car, and I keep saying "no" because it was snowing, and she keeps on and I keep saying "no", then I pull through the bank to get cash for lunch and I roll down my window for the ATM, and she starts screaming at me

HYPOCRITE HYPOCRITE HYPOCRITE
Wait, I know this is a few pages old now, but did you say it snowed last Friday? I thought you lived in the South? Shirley it cannot be warmer in Canada than in the Southern US, can it?

Wait, I know this is a few pages old now, but did you say it snowed last Friday? I thought you lived in the South? Shirley it cannot be warmer in Canada than in the Southern US, can it?

we had a cold front come through, low of 33 on Friday, so it was actually snowflakes that melted into rain about 3/4 of the way to the ground.

it was wet anyway, and I didn't want it in my new car.