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http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/04/05/bill-oreillys-head-practically-explodes-as-he-screams-at-geraldo/

I'm sorry, I know we have more than enough Bill'o threads but I had to post this. O'Reilly pounding his fist and screaming "You want Anarchy! You Want Anarchy! This is a War!" is just unbelievable, why is this man still on air?

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/04/05/bill-oreillys-head-practically-explodes-as-he-screams-at-geraldo/

I'm sorry, I know we have more than enough Bill'o threads but I had to post this. O'Reilly pounding his fist and screaming "You want Anarchy! You Want Anarchy! This is War!" is just unbelievable, why is this man still on air?

Probably because you encourage him by watching his show and posting these links.

people actually watch this?! :eek:

Man, I though Geraldo was going to take another chair! Never thought I'd be backing him, I still remember his sleazy talk show . . .

It was impressive to watch...I thought they were going to knife each other with pens and letter openers.

I was expecting to see Bill O'Reilly lift up his shirt for the camera man and makeout with some co-eds. Way to have a misleading thread title. I was looking forward to it.

If I click the link will I see anything new? I've already seen multiple examples of his shouting rants and telling his guests to "shut up". I find it more amazing that O'Reilly finds people to keep coming back on his show when they just get shouted down, ridiculed and to have their common sense sneered at.

So it was like every other episode of Mr. O'Reilly's program I've seen links for.

If I click the link will I see anything new? I've already seen multiple examples of his shouting rants and telling his guests to "shut up". I find it more amazing that O'Reilly finds people to keep coming back on his show when they just get shouted down, ridiculed and to have their common sense sneered at.

Too true. And no, you won't see anything you haven't seen before. Different topic, different opposing talking head, same old windbag.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/04/05/bill-oreillys-head-practically-explodes-as-he-screams-at-geraldo/

I'm sorry, I know we have more than enough Bill'o threads but I had to post this. O'Reilly pounding his fist and screaming "You want Anarchy! You Want Anarchy! This is a War!" is just unbelievable, why is this man still on air?

:eek:

Holy fuck.

If I click the link will I see anything new? I've already seen multiple examples of his shouting rants and telling his guests to "shut up". I find it more amazing that O'Reilly finds people to keep coming back on his show when they just get shouted down, ridiculed and to have their common sense sneered at.

So it was like every other episode of Mr. O'Reilly's program I've seen links for.

Too true. And no, you won't see anything you haven't seen before. Different topic, different opposing talking head, same old windbag.
Wait, what?

I have seen O'Reilly on only a handful of occasions, not living in the US and not having FoxNews, but I have NEVER seen people yell at each other like this on a TV show outside Jerry Springer-esque offerings.

I hate Bill O'Reilly. Good on Geraldo.

I found myself siding with Rivera...

*checks temperature*

...no, I don't have a fever...

people actually watch this?! :eek:

Good question...

I hate Bill O'Reilly. Good on Geraldo.
Yep. Never heard of Geraldo before, but I like him instantly. He summed it up perfectly by saying that O'Reilly was just trying to make a "cheap political point" out of the issue.

Wait, what?

I have seen O'Reilly on only a handful of occasions, not living in the US and not having FoxNews, but I have NEVER seen people yell at each other like this on a TV show outside Jerry Springer-esque offerings.

It is quite common. O'Reilly cutting someones mike happens pretty frequently, personal insults as well, all the while maintaining how he has some kind of neutrality and will only give the "truth". Amazing he can keep saying this with a straight face the way he treats guests he doesn't agree with.

geraldo has gained some respect from me,calling out o reily on his avid xenophobia.

Too true. And no, you won't see anything you haven't seen before. Different topic, different opposing talking head, same old windbag.

This one was more animated than most. I thought he was going to take a swing at Mister Moustache for a minute there.

Wait, what?

I have seen O'Reilly on only a handful of occasions, not living in the US and not having FoxNews, but I have NEVER seen people yell at each other like this on a TV show outside Jerry Springer-esque offerings.

Really? From the links I've followed (provided right here on NSG), it seems these sorts of exchanges are a regularly-recurring feature of Mr. O'Reilly's program. And I agree with Utracia - I too find it amazing that Mr. O'Reilly can find people - anyone, really - to come back on his show when they're subjected to this sort of abuse.

Personally, I'd haul off and beat the crap out of him for all our sakes - if I was ever on his show (though I can't for the life of me think how I'd manage that).

This one was more animated than most. I thought he was going to take a swing at Mister Moustache for a minute there.
Would've been interesting to see if he'd stayed on air if he'd done that. Fox would have to do something...surely?

Would've been interesting to see if he'd stayed on air if he'd done that. Fox would have to do something...surely?

Doubt it. O'Reilly is their biggest show and they've been hemorrhaging viewers in the lat 6 months. O'Reilly's rate of decline has been slower than the rest of the network, from what I understand, so a fight with Geraldo would probably give him a boost. Maybe they'd start booking people with that in mind. "See BillO punch a grandmother because she's anti-war!"

Yep. Never heard of Geraldo before, but I like him instantly. He summed it up perfectly by saying that O'Reilly was just trying to make a "cheap political point" out of the issue.

Definitely. He's been constantly doing this, and it's a bit scary that some people just soak it up.
Also, you get my TGs?

Doubt it. O'Reilly is their biggest show and they've been hemorrhaging viewers in the lat 6 months. O'Reilly's rate of decline has been slower than the rest of the network, from what I understand, so a fight with Geraldo would probably give him a boost. Maybe they'd start booking people with that in mind. "See BillO punch a grandmother because she's anti-war!"

Wouldn't surprise me. You know those ebil liberals don't deserve to live in this freedom loving nation so getting attacked by a patriotic man such as O'Reilly would only be justice.

Doubt it. O'Reilly is their biggest show and they've been hemorrhaging viewers in the lat 6 months. O'Reilly's rate of decline has been slower than the rest of the network, from what I understand, so a fight with Geraldo would probably give him a boost. Maybe they'd start booking people with that in mind. "See BillO punch a grandmother because she's anti-war!"

BILL-Y!! BILL-Y!! BILL-Y!!

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/04/05/bill-oreillys-head-practically-explodes-as-he-screams-at-geraldo/

I'm sorry, I know we have more than enough Bill'o threads but I had to post this. O'Reilly pounding his fist and screaming "You want Anarchy! You Want Anarchy! This is a War!" is just unbelievable, why is this man still on air?

I have never really been much of a fan of Geraldo. Now, however, that has changed by that simple clip. Muchos kudos, to Geraldo, for not only having the balls to go against O'Reilly face to face(Where he can't cut your feed), but stand on a controversial subject using facts to support your side. Bravo. Bravo.

It is quite common. O'Reilly cutting someones mike happens pretty frequently, personal insults as well, all the while maintaining how he has some kind of neutrality and will only give the "truth". Amazing he can keep saying this with a straight face the way he treats guests he doesn't agree with.
Really? From the links I've followed (provided right here on NSG), it seems these sorts of exchanges are a regularly-recurring feature of Mr. O'Reilly's program. And I agree with Utracia - I too find it amazing that Mr. O'Reilly can find people - anyone, really - to come back on his show when they're subjected to this sort of abuse.

Personally, I'd haul off and beat the crap out of him for all our sakes - if I was ever on his show (though I can't for the life of me think how I'd manage that).

Huh. Maybe I only always followed the tamer links, then. I was shocked by how his voice seemed on the verge of cracking into fullblown temporary insanity mode.

I can't believe the show is (almost) like that all the time!

I have never really been much of a fan of Geraldo. Now, however, that has changed by that simple clip. Muchos kudos, to Geraldo, for not only having the balls to go against O'Reilly face to face(Where he can't cut your mike), but stand on a controversial subject using facts to support your side. Bravo. Bravo.
True.

True.

Indeed, before I saw that clip, I thought that Geraldo was just another sensationalist journalist, scrounging around for anything that would have shock value. Now, however, my opinion is that he is indeed a very intelligent.

Definitely. He's been constantly doing this, and it's a bit scary that some people just soak it up.
Also, you get my TGs?
I hope he does lose it against someone, just so Fox really have to take him off air for a while at least.

And yep, just now. :p Replied.

Indeed, before I saw that clip, I thought that Geraldo was just another sensationalist journalist, scrounging around for anything that would have shock value. Now, however, my opinion is that he is indeed a very intelligent.

Geraldo is the same guy who got kicked out of Iraq for drawing a fucking map of where the unit he was with was at and planning to attack.

His intelligence I question, but against O'Reilly I don't doubt he would seem quite bright.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/04/05/bill-oreillys-head-practically-explodes-as-he-screams-at-geraldo/

I'm sorry, I know we have more than enough Bill'o threads but I had to post this. O'Reilly pounding his fist and screaming "You want Anarchy! You Want Anarchy! This is a War!" is just unbelievable, why is this man still on air?

He does his histrionics because it gets views. In fact, it gets more views from people who, if he was more behaved, would never want to see him. This way though, the publicity skyrockets. He gets more money.

I don't think he believes in a goddam thing he says.

He's nothing but a fucking troll.

He does his histrionics because it gets views. In fact, it gets more views from people who, if he was more behaved, would never want to see him. This way though, the publicity skyrockets. He gets more money.

I don't think he believes in a goddam thing he says.

He's nothing but a fucking troll.
Ah, if only he came on this forum...ripped to shreds in no time. :D

Ah, if only he came on this forum...ripped to shreds in no time. :D

I doubt it. He'd post, a bunch of people would offer logical, reasonable (and some not so much reasonable) arguments which tore up his argument. He would be undeterred, would continue posting, several posters would get banned for flaming him, and it would be well over 9 months before the mods had enough to ban him for trolling at all. Then he'd come back with different account names.

I doubt it. He'd post, a bunch of people would offer logical, reasonable (and some not so much reasonable) arguments which tore up his argument. He would be undeterred, would continue posting, several posters would get banned for flaming him, and it would be well over 9 months before the mods had enough to ban him for trolling at all. Then he'd come back with different account names.
That's a rather suspicious time frame right there. Some love child you're not telling us about?

That's a rather suspicious time frame right there. Some love child you're not telling us about?

Look, the bitch says it's my kid, the bitch is lying. That's all I got to say.

I doubt it. He'd post, a bunch of people would offer logical, reasonable (and some not so much reasonable) arguments which tore up his argument. He would be undeterred, would continue posting, several posters would get banned for flaming him, and it would be well over 9 months before the mods had enough to ban him for trolling at all. Then he'd come back with different account names.

He wouldn't be able to shout anyone down so he may have to do some flames himself when he gets irked about being called out. I doubt he would last for long on here at all.

Look, the bitch says it's my kid, the bitch is lying. That's all I got to say.I did think ol' Bill was looking a bit paunchy around the middle. And that glow...

I doubt it. He'd post, a bunch of people would offer logical, reasonable (and some not so much reasonable) arguments which tore up his argument. He would be undeterred, would continue posting, several posters would get banned for flaming him, and it would be well over 9 months before the mods had enough to ban him for trolling at all. Then he'd come back with different account names.
If he acts anything like he does on his show, he'd manage a few bans for flaming within a month.

I doubt it. He'd post, a bunch of people would offer logical, reasonable (and some not so much reasonable) arguments which tore up his argument. He would be undeterred, would continue posting, several posters would get banned for flaming him, and it would be well over 9 months before the mods had enough to ban him for trolling at all. Then he'd come back with different account names.

MTAE? RC? FreedomAndGlory?

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/04/05/bill-oreillys-head-practically-explodes-as-he-screams-at-geraldo/

I'm sorry, I know we have more than enough Bill'o threads but I had to post this. O'Reilly pounding his fist and screaming "You want Anarchy! You Want Anarchy! This is a War!" is just unbelievable, why is this man still on air?

I've no idea who these guys on the video are...But I imagine that if NSG was a tv-program, it would be exactly like that.

I've no idea who these guys on the video are...But I imagine that if NSG was a tv-program, it would be exactly like that.

I have to agree.

I've no idea who these guys on the video are...But I imagine that if NSG was a tv-program, it would be exactly like that.

Turn off this guy's microphone. Turn it off!

Turn off this guy's microphone. Turn it off!
You want anarchy! Anarchy! This is war! :p

I normally dont watch this guy, but when i have, he doesnt always yell at his guests. But then again i have also seen my share of left winger opinion ed talkers do the same thing, happens on both sides. I just tend to agree with one side more then the other on certain issues.

Bill is and can be a moron, but so can the other side...

I've no idea who these guys on the video are...But I imagine that if NSG was a tv-program, it would be exactly like that.if NSG was TV .. I would be Jon Stewart.. :D

I normally dont watch this guy, but when i have, he doesnt always yell at his guests. But then again i have also seen my share of left winger opinion ed talkers do the same thing, happens on both sides. I just tend to agree with one side more then the other on certain issues.

Bill is and can be a moron, but so can the other side...

Which ones? I'm sure you can name them, right, as opposed to simply making a "pox on both your houses" post.

if NSG was TV .. I would be Jon Stewart.. :D

And I'd be the one doing all the graphics (and working in all the subliminals).

Indeed, before I saw that clip, I thought that Geraldo was just another sensationalist journalist, scrounging around for anything that would have shock value. Now, however, my opinion is that he is indeed a very intelligent.

Eh, I'm not convinced of that. This is the guy that sat there in the sand, on national television, and drew a map of where our troops were posted in the area.

if NSG was TV .. I would be Jon Stewart.. :D

Stewart is just a big an idiot as Bill. So you actually dont mind being like bill this means? :D

"i wanna take you outside and do something to you!"
lol

if NSG was TV .. I would be Jon Stewart.. :D

Don't flatter yourself.

Don't flatter yourself.

Isn't it ironic that Occeandrive, who constantly frets about Jewish conspiracies and the evils of Israel identifies with a Jewish man?

Now what I'd love to see is a future O'Reilly guest bring his or her own microphone or megaphone. Just so that when Billy the Kid screams to cut the mike off, the backup can be flicked on and the pwnage continues.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/04/05/bill-oreillys-head-practically-explodes-as-he-screams-at-geraldo/

I'm sorry, I know we have more than enough Bill'o threads but I had to post this. O'Reilly pounding his fist and screaming "You want Anarchy! You Want Anarchy! This is a War!" is just unbelievable, why is this man still on air?

In the nearby gym(it's a very small gym, really) there's a TV with a news channel on, which two times out of three thus far has been Fox. I actually saw this while on the exercise bike earlier today, although it was muted and I was really trying to ignore it because I was focusing on thinking about something else.

It's typical of Bill O'Reilly, really. He's a bigoted racist jerk who has been given far too much damned attention and ought to be shut down. Permenantly.

if NSG was TV .. I would be Jon Stewart.. :D
Stewart is just a big an idiot as Bill. So you actually dont mind being like bill this means? :DBlasphemy!!!
Stewart is nothing BillO.. nothing, nada, zippo

BillO tries to bully and intimidate the guests he dont like.. and sometimes he yells like a madman.. He even tried that with Colbert. (of course Colbert was too much for BillO)

Don't flatter yourself.Jon is very smart.
...I am not too bad.
Jon has mucho mojo.
...and so do I.
Jon is an and expert at ridiculizing Bush and other politicians.
...I am an expert too.
Jon is Jewish.
...that can be arranged :DIf Sumner Redstone offers me the Daily Show anchorship (after Jon retires) I would have to consider converting if he asks.
I mean.. Its the Daily Show for Christ sakes!!
Some kids want to be Tiger woods.. I wanna be Colbert.. or Jon.

Isn't it ironic that Occeandrive, who constantly frets about Jewish conspiracies and the evils of Israel identifies with a Jewish man?identifies?
that is an understatement.. I admire that Jewish son of a gun.
I admire him as much as I admire Colbert.

there is others Jews I admire.. but they are not at the same level (as Stewart).

What? You're attacking a man for defending his opinion?

I know I've acted like that durring an argument.

Tell me you never did.

Honestly.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/04/05/bill-oreillys-head-practically-explodes-as-he-screams-at-geraldo/

I'm sorry, I know we have more than enough Bill'o threads but I had to post this. O'Reilly pounding his fist and screaming "You want Anarchy! You Want Anarchy! This is a War!" is just unbelievable, why is this man still on air?

This kinda reminds me of the "where's my burrito" chant from The Simpsons...

What? You're attacking a man for defending his opinion?

I know I've acted like that durring an argument.

Tell me you never did.

Honestly.

Of course I have. We all have. That's not the point.

The point is that this is typical of O'Reilly's behavior. He never sensibly debates! He always uses it as a way of trolling the people he interviews and otherwise makes himself look the complete and utter fool he is.

Of course I have. We all have. That's not the point.

The point is that this is typical of O'Reilly's behavior. He never sensibly debates! He always uses it as a way of trolling the people he interviews and otherwise makes himself look the complete and utter fool he is.

How is Mr. O'Reilly a fool?

How is Mr. O'Reilly a fool?

He uses his various shows to advance an agenda based not on fact, but on fiction. None of his opinions are truly valid nor does he ever argue with facts, but merely uses everything as a cheap political trick to score points for his own reasons.

He uses his various shows to advance an agenda based not on fact, but on fiction. None of his opinions are truly valid nor does he ever argue with facts, but merely uses everything as a cheap political trick to score points for his own reasons.

So Mr. O'Reilly is basically the same as religion?

So Mr. O'Reilly is basically the same as religion?
Religion doesn't try to score cheap political points, it's just used to score cheap political points.

Religion doesn't try to score cheap political points, it's just used to score cheap political points.

Ah, yes, but one can assume religion to be fictional.

So Mr. O'Reilly is basically the same as religion?

He certainly uses religion as a tool, so no, not really. Religious officials, on the other hand, can often be identical.

Ah, yes, but one can assume religion to be fictional.
And the opinions of religious people aren't valid, and they never argue using facts. ;)

I am, for the record, joking.

Isn't it ironic that Occeandrive, who constantly frets about Jewish conspiracies and the evils of Israel identifies with a Jewish man?

You've ruined it for him now. Good thing he doesnt suspect theres one or two Jews in "Curb your enthusiasm".....

He certainly uses religion as a tool, so no, not really. Religious officials, on the other hand, can often be identical.
Religion as a whole, just like Bill's opinion's, can be seen as fictional or valid.
And the opinions of religious people aren't valid, and they never argue using facts. ;)

I am, for the record, joking.

When the debate is about religion, I agree.

I am, for the record, eating cake.

I am, for the record, eating cake.
This early in the morning?!

This early in the morning?!

It's not morning if you woke up at 6pm. *nods*

What? You're attacking a man for defending his opinion?

I know I've acted like that durring an argument.

Tell me you never did.

Honestly.

:rolleyes:

As if we should expect someone with their own show trying to get to the truth of various issues to act better than we may in private debate. He just looks like an ass for shouting down those who give a differing opinion. Then he looks like an idiot when he says "you're wrong" when you just go on google and find that the guest was right all along! O'Reilly is a vicious bully, a hack, a media whore, doing whatever he can to desperately keep ratings.

He uses his various shows to advance an agenda based not on fact, but on fiction. None of his opinions are truly valid nor does he ever argue with facts, but merely uses everything as a cheap political trick to score points for his own reasons.

And Jon Stewarts doesnt do this?

Bwahahahahahahahaha

If you truely think this, then you have been not only fooled by how bill is different then Jon, but fooled by Jon character...:D

why is this man still on air?

I'm just idly speculating, but maybe it's because there are so many people who spend their time watching him for signs of asshattery so they can get outraged and demand he be taken off the air?

You know, a bit like Rosie O'Donnel or Ann Coulter.

I was hoping they were going to get into a Mexican knife fight.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/04/05/bill-oreillys-head-practically-explodes-as-he-screams-at-geraldo/

I'm sorry, I know we have more than enough Bill'o threads but I had to post this. O'Reilly pounding his fist and screaming "You want Anarchy! You Want Anarchy! This is a War!" is just unbelievable, why is this man still on air?

The same macabre impulse that makes slow the car down to watch the car accident or makes you turn over the dead animal to see the rot underneath.

People don't watch O'Reilly so much as rubberneck past him.

How is Mr. O'Reilly a fool?

His lack of sense, good judgement, and comprehension.

Religion as a whole, just like Bill's opinion's, can be seen as fictional or valid.


When the debate is about religion, I agree.

I am, for the record, eating cake.

O'Reilly's opinion can be seen as valid the same way that red can be seen as a very purple shade of blue. i.e. You have to really want to see it that way, and you'd still have to have a particular kind of blindness to do so.

His lack of sense, good judgement, and comprehension.

Not to mention his swagger.

Stewart is just a big an idiot as Bill. So you actually dont mind being like bill this means? :D

Yeah. Just like Bill O'Reilly makes up dumb crap and spouts it all over the air to get people whipped up into a froth to push a neo-conservative agenda, Jon Stewart puts the news on the air and points out how stupid people are being about it...

Oh, wait, those two aren't the same at all.

Stewart's position as the opposite of O'Reilly is not because he's the liberal counterpart to O'Reilly's conservatism. It's because he's the intelligent counterpart to O'Reilly's stupidity. Yes, he's as intelligent as O'Reilly is stupid, but that's not the same as being just as dumb in a different way.

Not to mention his swagger.

It would work better if he was a Pastafarian and wore full pirate regalia.

It would work better if he was a Pastafarian and wore full pirate regalia.

I'd wager he'd be a better man for it.

Before I provide my quick one-liner reply to the topic, I'd just like to say that I'm an avid fan of Crooks & Liars.

why is this man still on air?
Old people love him.

Old people love him.

The really crotchedy ones who complain about rap music and robot attacks, I'm guessing.

The really crotchedy ones who complain about rap music and robot attacks, I'm guessing.
Pretty much. And that's the case for Fox News in general. The average age of their viewers is around 60, I believe. That makes sense, as older people tend to be more conservative, and it's not a half-bad short term business strategy either considering that the Boomer generation is hitting that age group, and they're still the largest group around. But long term it's a problem, I would think.

Bill was naturally upset that illegal immigrants are stealthily creeping into this country and committing vile atrocities, leading to the deaths of innocent bystanders. And to compound the problem, nobody seems willing to curb this deadly flow of criminals into the US because of our laissez-faire policies. I don't blame him for getting emotional when talking to an anti-American (yes, Geraldo betrayed his country and the military by giving the enemy vital intelligence) imbecile with a galling mustache, no less. He may have went a little over the top, true, but who can blame him? He was simply trying to awaken the cold-hearted public to the horrors perpetuated by such illegal immigrants while his opponent was of the disturbing opinion that allowing a murder to happen is fine. I'm not proud of what he did, but it needed to be done if we're to have any chance at all of halting the corrosive flow of crooks into our great nation.

O'Reilly's opinion can be seen as valid the same way that red can be seen as a very purple shade of blue. i.e. You have to really want to see it that way, and you'd still have to have a particular kind of blindness to do so.

I think that's the best analogy of O'Reilly I've seen. Cookie for you.

Bill was naturally upset that illegal immigrants are stealthily creeping into this country and committing vile atrocities, leading to the deaths of innocent bystanders.

More crimes are probably committed by your goodwilled, upstanding WASP citizen than illegal immigrants.

And to compound the problem, nobody seems willing to curb this deadly flow of criminals into the US because of our laissez-faire policies.

Evidently, you don't know how much of a workforce immigrants provide to the US.

I don't blame him for getting emotional when talking to an anti-American (yes, Geraldo betrayed his country and the military by giving the enemy vital intelligence)

I'd like to see a very good source, please.

He may have went a little over the top, true, but who can blame him?

His idea of arguing is cutting off people's mics before they can say anything back. I fucking blame him.

He was simply trying to awaken the cold-hearted public

All he's doing is blinding them.

to the horrors perpetuated by such illegal immigrants while his opponent was of the disturbing opinion that allowing a murder to happen is fine.

Find me one quote in that source where Geraldo condones murder. Go on.

I'm not proud of what he did, but it needed to be done if we're to have any chance at all of halting the corrosive flow of crooks into our great nation.

I'm glad your not proud. But I'm sad you agree with him. O'Reilly is a lying, bigoted, hatespreading vermin who does not deserve to be on TV with his views.

Bill was naturally upset that illegal immigrants are stealthily creeping into this country and committing vile atrocities, leading to the deaths of innocent bystanders. And to compound the problem, nobody seems willing to curb this deadly flow of criminals into the US because of our laissez-faire policies. I don't blame him for getting emotional when talking to an anti-American (yes, Geraldo betrayed his country and the military by giving the enemy vital intelligence) imbecile with a galling mustache, no less. He may have went a little over the top, true, but who can blame him? He was simply trying to awaken the cold-hearted public to the horrors perpetuated by such illegal immigrants while his opponent was of the disturbing opinion that allowing a murder to happen is fine. I'm not proud of what he did, but it needed to be done if we're to have any chance at all of halting the corrosive flow of crooks into our great nation.

If you want to stop the corrosive flow of crooks, look to the politicians in the US who won't do what it takes to enforce immigration laws because they want cheap labor for their companies and the companies of their supporters, and because they want the tax money from those who can't receive the benefits of paying taxes.

More crimes are probably committed by your goodwilled, upstanding WASP citizen than illegal immigrants.

Do you have a source for this? Furthermore, more crimes are committed by illegal immigrants than by one-armed transvestite Kataris. Does that mean that one-armed transvestite Kataris are not dangerous? No, it simply implies that there are fewer one-armed transvestite Kataris than illegal immigrants. Similarly, there are more Protestant whites than illegal immigrants. Thus, even if true, your assertion is pointless.

Evidently, you don't know how much of a workforce immigrants provide to the US.

That workforce can be replenished by legal immigrants after all the dangerous illegal elements are expunged from our society.

I'd like to see a very good source, please.

It's common knowledge.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/31/sprj.irq.geraldo/

Find me one quote in that source where Geraldo condones murder. Go on.

He passively allows it to happen by not taking steps to ensure such ghastly crimes are not committed. If a policeman sees a murderer walking down the street but refuses to arrest him, that implies that he condones murder. Similarly, if Geraldo is fine with killers flooding into our country through underhanded means but refuses to stem this inundation, he too is implicitly condoning murder.

who does not deserve to be on TV with his views.

I support free speech -- do you?

If you want to stop the corrosive flow of crooks, look to the politicians in the US

You can't put the cart before the horse. Some politicians may have a vested interest in allowing illegal immigrants to tarnish our nation, but some regular Americans are in favor of giving amnesty to such criminals. First you must show them the error of their ways before you have a chance to similarly persuade the crooks in power.

You can't put the cart before the horse. Some politicians may have a vested interest in allowing illegal immigrants to tarnish our nation, but some regular Americans are in favor of giving amnesty to such criminals. First you must show them the error of their ways before you have a chance to similarly persuade the crooks in power.

Should I even bother feeding the troll?

I support giving amnesty to illegal immigrants. "Show" me the "error of my ways," MeansToAnEnd/RuleCaucasia/FreedomAndGlory. Go on.

yes, Geraldo betrayed his country and the military by giving the enemy vital intelligence
like what, how to have stupid american talk-shows? prove it. which you can't, because if he had, he would have been strung up for treason. why do you even make this up?

You can't put the cart before the horse. Some politicians may have a vested interest in allowing illegal immigrants to tarnish our nation, but some regular Americans are in favor of giving amnesty to such criminals. First you must show them the error of their ways before you have a chance to similarly persuade the crooks in power.
Let me stop you right there.

Don't... be... a... re... tard...

I was expecting to see Bill O'Reilly lift up his shirt for the camera man and makeout with some co-eds. Way to have a misleading thread title. I was looking forward to it.
No, that's FOX and Friends ;)

like what, how to have stupid american talk-shows? prove it. which you can't, because if he had, he would have been strung up for treason. why do you even make this up?

Not only did I not fabricate that point of contention, but I also posted a link to support it. If you watched the news, you'd know that he outlined the military's plans for the subjugation of Iraq on national TV. It was a pretty big scandal at the time.

Very interesting. We have Earabia, who has obviously not seen The Daily Show, and FreedomAndGlory, attempting to argue a completely indefensible position. Kudos to Geraldo for recognizing this issue for what it really is - a drunk driving issue rather than an illegal immigration one. Also, kudos to Geraldo for standing up to O'Reilly.

FreedomAndGlory, you're as blind (and acting just as stupid) as O'Reilly is. The issue here has absolutely nothing to do with illegal immigration; to think otherwise is completely asinine.

Earabia, thanks for showing everyone that you don't actually watch the Daily Show, but instead listen to the conservatives who can take what Stewart dishes out (to left- and right-wingers alike) and resort to classifying him as just another ebil liberal.

Not only did I not fabricate that point of contention, but I also posted a link to support it. If you watched the news, you'd know that he outlined the military's plans for the subjugation of Iraq on national TV. It was a pretty big scandal at the time.

"He went down in the sand and drew where the forces are going," said a stunned senior military official. "He gave away the big picture stuff."
yeah. sensitive information all right, that it can be drawn in the sand. i reiterate: that is an act of treason, and would have a slightly worse punishment than being dropped off at the border to kuwait.

i reiterate: that is an act of treason

Good, then we're in agreement.

Bill was naturally upset that illegal immigrants are stealthily creeping into this country and committing vile atrocities, leading to the deaths of innocent bystanders. And to compound the problem, nobody seems willing to curb this deadly flow of criminals into the US because of our laissez-faire policies. I don't blame him for getting emotional when talking to an anti-American (yes, Geraldo betrayed his country and the military by giving the enemy vital intelligence) imbecile with a galling mustache, no less. He may have went a little over the top, true, but who can blame him? He was simply trying to awaken the cold-hearted public to the horrors perpetuated by such illegal immigrants while his opponent was of the disturbing opinion that allowing a murder to happen is fine. I'm not proud of what he did, but it needed to be done if we're to have any chance at all of halting the corrosive flow of crooks into our great nation.

In Europe it's the neo-fascists and ultra-nationalists that speak like that about illegal immigrants, painting them as if they are a deadly wave of knife wielding savages, coming to slice up our children.

In Europe it's the neo-fascists and ultra-nationalists that speak like that about illegal immigrants, painting them as if they are a deadly wave of knife wielding savages, coming to slice up our children.
Yep, exactly. You pick up and read any BNP leaflet that comes through your post and it's basically a web of lies intended to frighten people about immigrants.

That they go to schools in places such as Burnley and talk to children in the same manner is disgraceful.

Yep, exactly. You pick up and read any BNP leaflet that comes through your post and it's basically a web of lies intended to frighten people about immigrants.

Funny, I didn't think that Britain was on the receiving end of many illegal immigrants, unless those immigrants are very good at swimming the channel. No comparison can be made between those who wish to retain their national identity by barring all immigrants from entering and those who want to maintain a system of law and order by refusing to allow criminals to enter the country illegally.

FreedomAndGlory I wasn't comparing the situation in the US with the situation in the UK or Europe. I was merely offering a comment on your style of rhetoric.

Obviously illegal immigration is an enormous problem in the US, with few feasible solutions in sight, but saying or suggesting that all illegal immigrants are criminals and prone to violence is a gross exaggeration.

Funny, I didn't think that Britain was on the receiving end of many illegal immigrants, unless those immigrants are very good at swimming the channel. No comparison can be made between those who wish to retain their national identity by barring all immigrants from entering and those who want to maintain a system of law and order by refusing to allow criminals to enter the country illegally.

Of course a comparison can be made. They both spew bigoted bullshit about illegal immigrants and how awful illegal immigration is. And they both tend to be authoritarian wankers, like you.

Also European nationalists and fascists, wish to retain what is a perceived national identity by barring immigrants from entering and sending those already in, back home. The problem is that their vision of national identity is one that doesn't exist anywhere except in their imagination.

And Jon Stewarts doesnt do this?

Bwahahahahahahahaha

If you truely think this, then you have been not only fooled by how bill is different then Jon, but fooled by Jon character...:D

Yeah. Just like Bill O'Reilly makes up dumb crap and spouts it all over the air to get people whipped up into a froth to push a neo-conservative agenda, Jon Stewart puts the news on the air and points out how stupid people are being about it...

Oh, wait, those two aren't the same at all.

Stewart's position as the opposite of O'Reilly is not because he's the liberal counterpart to O'Reilly's conservatism. It's because he's the intelligent counterpart to O'Reilly's stupidity. Yes, he's as intelligent as O'Reilly is stupid, but that's not the same as being just as dumb in a different way.


you guys DO realize that jon stewart is a comedian dont you? that "the daily show" isnt a news program but a comedy show?

bill oreilly and jon stewart are not equivalent.

Not only that, but Jon has never done anything even remotely similar to this, even as a comedian and with humor as his objective. He's never told one of his guests to «shut up», never cut off anyone's mic and has always shown himself to be intellectually conversant in several topics, (recently owning John Bolton) and humble when he isn't. O'Reilly on the other hand is a ruffian with a vocabulary.

Funny, I didn't think that Britain was on the receiving end of many illegal immigrants, unless those immigrants are very good at swimming the channel.
... or coming in via trucks full of other goods, or hiding in the toilets of the Eurostar, or simply flying in to come on holiday and staying, or a whole other load of ways...
No comparison can be made between those who wish to retain their national identity by barring all immigrants from entering and those who want to maintain a system of law and order by refusing to allow criminals to enter the country illegally.
Yes, yes there can be.

Both sets of people are usually complete wankers, and generally white surpremacists on the quiet. That's just how it is. One group just tries a little harder to legiamise its own existance.

... or coming in via trucks full of other goods, or hiding in the toilets of the Eurostar, or simply flying in to come on holiday and staying, or a whole other load of ways...
In the US, the most common way illegal immigrants get here is coming legally on a temporary work visa and overstaying it. It's estimated that more than half the 11 million illegals here got here that way. That "wall" we're building on the Mexican border is going to do us sooooooooo much good, huh?

Not only that, but Jon has never done anything even remotely similar to this, even as a comedian and with humor as his objective. He's never told one of his guests to «shut up», never cut off anyone's mic and has always shown himself to be intellectually conversant in several topics, (recently owning John Bolton) and humble when he isn't. O'Reilly on the other hand is a ruffian with a vocabulary.

stewart does sometimes take cheap shots. but thats OK in a comedy show as long as it makes you laugh. he is always a polite interviewer. even with mr bolton the other day he didnt start shouting at him for talking stupid.

In the US, the most common way illegal immigrants get here is coming legally on a temporary work visa and overstaying it. It's estimated that more than half the 11 million illegals here got here that way. That "wall" we're building on the Mexican border is going to do us sooooooooo much good, huh?
Aye, especially if the Mexicans, in their cunning, evil(?), illegal, baby eating(?), job stealing, liberal(?) way, discover boats, or indeed The Light Aircraft.

Hell, they could recreate those awesome Chinese war kites which they attached people too and ballista'd them over city walls and such. That'd be rather clever.

They could also hire the A-Team to make them a device out of a lawnmower engine, three hypodermic syringes and a packet of Swan Vesta matches that would cause the wall to spontaneously and ridiculously explode (although the National Guard would merely stumble off slightly clutching their heads and groaning).

Yeah. Just like Bill O'Reilly makes up dumb crap and spouts it all over the air to get people whipped up into a froth to push a neo-conservative agenda, Jon Stewart puts the news on the air and points out how stupid people are being about it...

Oh, wait, those two aren't the same at all.

Stewart's position as the opposite of O'Reilly is not because he's the liberal counterpart to O'Reilly's conservatism. It's because he's the intelligent counterpart to O'Reilly's stupidity. Yes, he's as intelligent as O'Reilly is stupid, but that's not the same as being just as dumb in a different way.

If you seriously believe this, then you have been duped. Tragically your not the only one....

Very interesting. We have Earabia, who has obviously not seen The Daily Show, and FreedomAndGlory, attempting to argue a completely indefensible position. Kudos to Geraldo for recognizing this issue for what it really is - a drunk driving issue rather than an illegal immigration one. Also, kudos to Geraldo for standing up to O'Reilly.

FreedomAndGlory, you're as blind (and acting just as stupid) as O'Reilly is. The issue here has absolutely nothing to do with illegal immigration; to think otherwise is completely asinine.

Earabia, thanks for showing everyone that you don't actually watch the Daily Show, but instead listen to the conservatives who can take what Stewart dishes out (to left- and right-wingers alike) and resort to classifying him as just another ebil liberal.

Um, i actually do watch the Daily show. Why because i think he is a big moron like Bill i dont watch it huh? Shows that you have been duped like them all.....nice and intelligent. And did i call him a "ebil liberal"? I dont think so.....

you guys DO realize that jon stewart is a comedian dont you? that "the daily show" isnt a news program but a comedy show?

bill oreilly and jon stewart are not equivalent.



No, but that still doesnt make Jon less dumb sounding, does it?

I would like to also point out that just because someone is against illegal immigration, DOESNT mean they dont want LEGAL immigration.

I would like to also point out that just because someone is against illegal immigration, DOESNT mean they dont want LEGAL immigration.

Never said it did. But Geraldo was right--and I can't believe I just typed that. This is not an issue of illegal or legal immigration. It's an issue of drunk driving, and to blame it on illegal immigration is bullshit and a political stunt and I'm glad Geraldo threw it in his face as forcefully as he did.

bills show is the best thing any one can watch :D

The drunk who killed the 2 girls was an illegal immigrant who had 3 previous felonies, federal law states that on the first felony, he is deported after serving jail time. If he was fucking deported, those 2 girls would not have been killed.

Get the fucking facts in you head.

Should we deport all illegal immigrants already here? no.
Should we deport all illegal immigrants that are caught crossing the border or being here for under 2 months? yes.

I know I've acted like that durring an argument.

...for a living?

The drunk who killed the 2 girls was an illegal immigrant who had 3 previous felonies, federal law states that on the first felony, he is deported after serving jail time. If he was fucking deported, those 2 girls would not have been killed.

Get the fucking facts in you head.

Should we deport all illegal immigrants already here? no.
Should we deport all illegal immigrants that are caught crossing the border or being here for under 2 months? yes.

And if many Americans that had 3 previous felonies had been deported somewhere else, they wouldn't kill by DUI many people the Right refuses to use as a cheap political weapon. What's your point again?

I was hoping they were going to get into a Mexican knife fight.

Geraldo's lean, quick and younger than O'Reilly. He'd likely win.

Which is why I agree, I hope they get into a Mexican knife fight. ;)

THIS IS THE LAAW!!!

Did that bit remind anyone else of Judge Dredd? o_O

No, but that still doesnt make Jon less dumb sounding, does it?

well yes it does. when you quack as a way of imitating the vice president it doesnt sound dumb when you are doing it for comedic effect in a comedy show. if you did it on your political pundit show, you would sound very childish.

context is everything.

... isnt a news program but a comedy show?

the Whole FOXnews is a comedy show.. :D
Yes Ashmoria, context is everything, I just proved it ^^

And if many Americans that had 3 previous felonies had been deported somewhere else, they wouldn't kill by DUI many people the Right refuses to use as a cheap political weapon. What's your point again?

The point is they are ILLEGAL, meaning they are not suppose to be HERE. What part of that dont you understand?

The point is they are ILLEGAL (aliens)That is YOUR point..
That is BillO point.

and Geraldo's point.. is that your point is ridicule.

We are talking about someone killing another with his drunk driving. >> I dont give a fuck if the driver is Mexican or Martian or Texan.. I dont give a fuck about where was he born.

That is YOUR point..
That is BillO point.

and Geraldo's point is that your point is minor.
We are killing some one while Driving drunk. >> I dont give a fuck if the driver is Mexican or Martian or Texan.. I dont give a fuck about where was he born

Nice try to deflect the discussion. I wasnt talking about Bill or Geraldo's. I am talking about MY point as an American. These people are breaking the law by entering OUR nation illegally. See i do care that these people are overwelming the system of not only welfare(which i dispise) and healthcare system, prisons and more. So you would like to pay for NON-citzens? I sure don't.

Nice try to deflect the discussion. I wasnt talking about Bill or Geraldo's. well WE (the thread) are talking about that..
You should take your personal war against the brown-skins outside (and start your won thread)

WOW.. this is the first time I say that!! I must be upset... Must be the BillO clip. :D

I feel dirty.. breaking my own principles on Free Speech..

so never mind. disregard my last words

Nice try to deflect the discussion. I wasnt talking about Bill or Geraldo's. I am talking about MY point as an American. These people are breaking the law by entering OUR nation illegally. See i do care that these people are overwelming the system of not only welfare(which i dispise) and healthcare system, prisons and more. So you would like to pay for NON-citzens? I sure don't.
I'm more pragmatic than that. I'd rather make it easier for them to get citizenship--they're already here, they're already a part of the society and the system, they're already paying taxes and using services, so it's pretty obvious that they fill a needed niche and that the legal system isn't doing it. So lets change the legal system and make it easier for them to continue doing what they're doing and feel like they're a part of this society.

The problem is that the people who have hired these illegal immigrants aren't being forced to pay the price for breaking the law--they've got the best of both worlds. They've got a cheap, easily exploitable work force and no truly bad consequences if they get busted with them in their employ. Change that side of the equation, and you'll get real immigration reform.

Of course, that'll never happen, because like abortion, illegal immigration is far more useful as a political issue than it ever would be if the problem were actually solved.

well WE (the thread) are talking about that..
You should take your personal war against the brown-skins outside (and start your won thread)

WOW.. this is the first time I say that!! I must be upset... Must be the BillO clip. :D

I feel dirty.. breaking my own principles on Free Speech..

so never mind. disregard my last words

No, your right, this thread is about Bill and what not, but it is also the point on opinions.
And i have nothing against race, not what my point was. So dont ever call me racist please.

I'm more pragmatic than that. I'd rather make it easier for them to get citizenship--they're already here, they're already a part of the society and the system, they're already paying taxes and using services, so it's pretty obvious that they fill a needed niche and that the legal system isn't doing it. So lets change the legal system and make it easier for them to continue doing what they're doing and feel like they're a part of this society.

The problem is that the people who have hired these illegal immigrants aren't being forced to pay the price for breaking the law--they've got the best of both worlds. They've got a cheap, easily exploitable work force and no truly bad consequences if they get busted with them in their employ. Change that side of the equation, and you'll get real immigration reform.

Of course, that'll never happen, because like abortion, illegal immigration is far more useful as a political issue than it ever would be if the problem were actually solved.

Dont get me wrong, its not about the ones already here(even though i wish it was possible to send them back--ones that been here years already) its about the border and how media(news or non-news like Jon Stewart)take this issue and spin it and twist the facts of it.
BOTH Bill and Stewart and Geraldo do this. If you are in denial of this, then you have been duped a looong time ago.....

O'Reilly is absolutely right. It is completely relevant that that drunk is an illegal immigrant. First of all, if that illegal was never in this country illegally, that person he killed would have been alive.

BUT.....That's not even the main point. The main point is that illegals, specifically, illegal Mexicans come here, they drink, bring crime and poverty to our country. They should not be here. They should not be here in the first place to commit crimes, rapes, killings etc. I bet if Geraldo's family member was killed by an illegal, his words would be harsher than O'Reilly's words.

O'Reilly is absolutely right. It is completely relevant that that drunk is an illegal immigrant. First of all, if that illegal was never in this country illegally, that person he killed would have been alive.

BUT.....That's not even the main point. The main point is that illegals, specifically, illegal Mexicans come here, they drink, bring crime and poverty to our country. They should not be here. They should not be here in the first place to commit crimes, rapes, killings etc. I bet if Geraldo's family member was killed by an illegal, his words would be harsher than O'Reilly's words.

Dont get me wrong, its not about the ones already here(even though i wish it was possible to send them back--ones that been here years already) its about the border and how media(news or non-news like Jon Stewart)take this issue and spin it and twist the facts of it.
BOTH Bill and Stewart and Geraldo do this. If you are in denial of this, then you have been duped a looong time ago.....

Here's how you've been duped on the subject. Think most illegal immigrants are coming across the southern border? Think again. More than half the illegals here came here legally on work visas and overstayed them. The border wall is a sham, a sleight of hand trick to make it look like the feds are doing something about the issue. It's the Republicans in Congress who are playing to the xenophobes in the party saying "Sucker!" If they were serious, they'd start doing a better job of tracking people with expired work visas. But they don't want to. And the sooner people wake up to that, the sooner we can really address this issue substantively.

O'Reilly is absolutely right. It is completely relevant that that drunk is an illegal immigrant. First of all, if that illegal was never in this country illegally, that person he killed would have been alive.

Turn this guy's mike off. Turn it OFF!

O'Reilly is absolutely right. It is completely relevant that that drunk is an illegal immigrant. First of all, if that illegal was never in this country illegally, that person he killed would have been alive.

BUT.....That's not even the main point. The main point is that illegals, specifically, illegal Mexicans come here, they drink, bring crime and poverty to our country. They should not be here. They should not be here in the first place to commit crimes, rapes, killings etc. I bet if Geraldo's family member was killed by an illegal, his words would be harsher than O'Reilly's words.

So, when you get rid of all the illegals, will there be no crime, drinking or poverty?

You people and your rabid hatred of 'illegals' simply astounds me with it's lack of coherency and/or insight. Which is really the definition of bigotry.

O'Reilly is absolutely right. It is completely relevant that that drunk is an illegal immigrant. First of all, if that illegal was never in this country illegally, that person he killed would have been alive.

BUT.....That's not even the main point. The main point is that illegals, specifically, illegal Mexicans come here, they drink, bring crime and poverty to our country. They should not be here. They should not be here in the first place to commit crimes, rapes, killings etc. no wonder you have a high post count tiigre :D

BTW undocumented workers commit crimes at a lower rate than citizens.
They get healthcare, welfare and other social benefits at a much Lower rate than Citizens.

Most of the time they "borrow" a social Insurance number to be able to Work.. so most of the time they pay taxes..yet they cannot claim a return.

no wonder you have a high post count tiigre :DOye, supongo que si estemos hablando en español, ‘el tigre’ nos va a llamar ‘ilegales’ o ‘mexicanos’. ¿Lo crees?

Oye, supongo que si estemos hablando en español, ‘el tigre’ nos va a llamar ‘ilegales’ o ‘mexicanos’. ¿Lo crees?

...it's something to do with a llama...

...it's something to do with a llama...

Hahahahahahha...

Llama = llama
llama = flame
llamar = to call (or name)

Might as well say it has something to do with a lime, cuz I wouldn't mind drinking something with a lime in it. Just to clean my palette of such disgusting racism disguised as a righteous support for 'law and order'.

And who the fuck is this O'Reilly character? Better yet, why do we care?

...it's something to do with a llama...me llama la chica sexy..
hmmm.. sinuhue eres muy sexy cuando me hablas en espanol:fluffle:

me llama la chica sexy..
hmmm.. sinuhue eres muy sexy cuando me hablas en espanol:fluffle:

Bueno, entonces te hablaré en otra lengua...como...Cree. No me econtrarás tan sexy cuando te corto la garganta con mi cuchillo como la india salvaje
que soy :D [/hijack]

That should be in the next episode of Dora the Explorer:)

Edit: that, being the post that is now below this one. Sheesh, jolt.

The llama is a quadruped which lives in big rivers like the Amazon. It has two ears, a heart, a forehead, and a beak for eating honey. But it is provided with fins for swimming.

Llamas are larger than frogs!

Llamas are dangerous, so if you see one where people are swimming, you shout -

Look out, there are llamas!

Jolt: mangling posts since 1999.

Yay Geraldo! :)

Hahahahahahha...

Llama = llama
llama = flame
llamar = to call (or name)

Might as well say it has something to do with a lime, cuz I wouldn't mind drinking something with a lime in it. Just to clean my palette of such disgusting racism disguised as a righteous support for 'law and order'.

And who the fuck is this O'Reilly character? Better yet, why do we care?

Because he has a significant share of the 70+ market, exists only to promote the worst politicians and political ideas, and seniors vote in large numbers.

Bill O'Reilly really is a big blubbering vagina.

Because he has a significant share of the 70+ market, exists only to promote the worst politicians and political ideas, and seniors vote in large numbers.

...and they die in large numbers, too I hear. Talk about a silver lining.

Bill O'Reilly really is a big blubbering vagina.
worse.
I'd much rather spend an hour watching a big blubbering vagina than 5 minutes watching O'Reilly.
admit it - so would you.

worse.
I'd much rather spend an hour watching a big blubbering vagina than 5 minutes watching O'Reilly.
admit it - so would you.

*stands up*

I admit it!

*long, awkward silence*

*sinks back down*

If all of those filthy pestilent and psychotic illegal immigrants should not be in «your» country in the first place then what do you suggest as a remedy? Building a 10 foot wall won't solve anything, no policing of borders could ever be enough, and domestic witch-hunting for illegal aliens will turn the US into a police state. Essentially the third Reich with Mexicans as a substitute for Jews.

Obviously the most sensible course of action is to develop technology that will one day be able to float-lift the USA from the earth's crust isolating itself from the rest of the planet.

Here's how you've been duped on the subject. Think most illegal immigrants are coming across the southern border? Think again. More than half the illegals here came here legally on work visas and overstayed them.

First of all i am not duped, i aknow the truth of the matter. I never denied that there is plenty of illegals are from overstayed visas. Never denied that, can you show me saying that i deny that? Point is, they are KNOWINGLY staying here illegal, that is the point.



The border wall is a sham, a sleight of hand trick to make it look like the feds are doing something about the issue.

Never said anything about a wall, that is you my friend.


It's the Republicans in Congress who are playing to the xenophobes in the party saying "Sucker!" If they were serious, they'd start doing a better job of tracking people with expired work visas.

Now this is where you have been duped, its BOTH the Republicans AND Democrats that have been doing this.



But they don't want to. And the sooner people wake up to that, the sooner we can really address this issue substantively.

No its the open up teh border types that need to wake up the reality of we need more onteh border for security, we need to punish ALL companies for hiring illegals.

Now this is where you have been duped, its BOTH the Republicans AND Democrats that have been doing this.Sorry, but the xenophobia is largely in the Republican party. Can't think of any Democrats in the House or Senate who are all about the wall, or even really making the case for harsh immigration policies--appealing to the minority communities is pretty standard for Democrats. We're the coalition party, after all.

No its the open up teh border types that need to wake up the reality of we need more onteh border for security, we need to punish ALL companies for hiring illegals."The border" isn't the issue. It's the entire system that's the issue. And no one is taking it seriously--it's a political football used to raise money and motivate voters.

I propose US deports EVERYONE that drinks and drives. :p

I propose US deports EVERYONE that drinks and drives. :p

You mean drinks and drives and gets caught, right?
/nervous

You mean drinks and drives and gets caught, right?
/nervous

;)

I propose US deports everybody named O'Reilly. You know, just for the sake of confusion.

and Kristol and Cavuto and Forbes and Coulter and Limbaugh and Mellon Scaife and Bush and Hannity and Malkin and ...

...Falwell and Dobson and Phelps and...

...and can we deport all the Hagerts as well?

These are promising times we live in. Back in the day when Bush's approval rating was actually higher than his IQ, there would have been at least a dozen Fox News aficionado types jumping on this sort of topic from every angle and using every straw man and red herring known to man.

Today they are nowhere to be found.

...Falwell and Dobson and Phelps and...
Colin Meloy and Rian Johnson and ...
(since we're apparently just settling scores here)

This whole thing is starting to remind me of the Berlin wall that separated Germany from east and west during the cold war. However, we do need to step up on the illegal immigration policies. I over all though, thought that O'Reilly was wrong in this outburst and yea...

Hahaha .. if Bill would've hit Geraldo .. he would've got his ass stomped.

Sorry, but the xenophobia is largely in the Republican party. Can't think of any Democrats in the House or Senate who are all about the wall, or even really making the case for harsh immigration policies--appealing to the minority communities is pretty standard for Democrats. We're the coalition party, after all.

"The border" isn't the issue. It's the entire system that's the issue. And no one is taking it seriously--it's a political football used to raise money and motivate voters.

Actually there is some local Democrats that are for strong immigration policy around here...but i guess that wont persuade ya huh? they are not big time "Democrats"....

And your right they dont make it a big issue when IT IS. Sorry it is an issue for me when they come up here expecting to get everything free in welfare and such...i saw it in my own community of immigrants over all getting funding, while they sat on their collective asses...but i also noticed these were the illegal ones mostly...the ones that came over legally tended to want to work and do the legal thing.

Sorry it is a security issue that BOTH Democrats and Republican have ignored....

Sorry it is an issue for me when they come up here expecting to get everything free in welfare and such...i saw it in my own community of immigrants

Now how, I wonder, can you just LOOK at people and know what they EXPECT?

Telepathy?

while they sat on their collective asses...

Ah, yes. Them immigrants are all lazy. And right now you are doing what I wonder? Typing while standing up?

but i also noticed these were the illegal ones mostly...the ones that came over legally tended to want to work and do the legal thing.

I suppose you can tell an illegal immigrant from a legal one just by looking at them, too? More of that amazing telepathy that anti-immigration folks seem to possess, I suppose.

Sorry it is a security issue that BOTH Democrats and Republican have ignored....

A security issue, but your main complaint was that they expect welfare? Come on, you have to argue that it's a security issue because immigrants are all thieving murdering raping criminals, not because they're welfare queens. Be consistent.