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The train wreck that is Rosie O'Donnell strikes again. Is she really a traitor or just a stupid, self-destructive idiot.?

http://news.aol.com/entertainment/tv/articles/_a/rosie-vs-oreilly-clash-in-new-view-feud/20070403093409990001

Ugh, why can't they both shut the fuck up!?

I think they both need to have their mouths surgically removed, honestly...

Luckily for us, she was wrong. Generally, Blair isn't that dumb, but I expected Bush to jump on it, if he could. O'Rielly, lacking any ability to argue or, in fact, do much beyond breathing, fell back on the old "She's a TRAITOR!" act. Shortly thereafter, he told her to "Shut up", no doubt.

I thought she was terminally ill. I've never been more disapointed in my life :(

She's emotionally unstable and doesn't think through her commentary oftentimes. That's a bad combination. O'Reilly's mindful of his ratings and, like all cable news "commentators" deals extensively with made-up or intentionally provoked controversy. I'd rate him alongside Chris Matthews.. watchable, but not entirely credible. Not the demon he's sometimes made out to be, but not impartial, either.

Luckily for us, she was wrong. Generally, Blair isn't that dumb, but I expected Bush to jump on it, if he could. O'Rielly, lacking any ability to argue or, in fact, do much beyond breathing, fell back on the old "She's a TRAITOR!" act. Shortly thereafter, he told her to "Shut up", no doubt.

O'Reilly's not always bad at arguing. Sometimes, he's pretty good, actually. I mean, he doesn't let little things like "facts" or "truth" get in the way. IF he disagrees, by god he'll shout over you until you submit. Or he'll just cut your mic off.

What are good debaters supposed to do, if not that?

Actually, the analogy is a very apt one... or at least, very easily could have been.

O'Reilly's not always bad at arguing. Sometimes, he's pretty good, actually. I mean, he doesn't let little things like "facts" or "truth" get in the way. IF he disagrees, by god he'll shout over you until you submit. Or he'll just cut your mic off.

What are good debaters supposed to do, if not that?

I just keep forgetting that, "Righteous Anger" for the Negative comes after the Affirmative's first Cross-Examination...

The train wreck that is Rosie O'Donnell strikes again. Is she really a traitor or just a stupid, self-destructive idiot.?

http://news.aol.com/entertainment/tv/articles/_a/rosie-vs-oreilly-clash-in-new-view-feud/20070403093409990001
I've got a better question: When will people stop linking to AOL?

Seriously, she's a racist bigot and an idiot who is only famous because of Rossane and a vague ability to act. She's not much better than a large portion of the redneck women, really.

O'Rielly was being delightfully ironic. O'Donnell was meh.

The train wreck that is Rosie O'Donnell strikes again. Is she really a traitor or just a stupid, self-destructive idiot.?

http://news.aol.com/entertainment/tv/articles/_a/rosie-vs-oreilly-clash-in-new-view-feud/20070403093409990001

A traitor? Why? Because she questions the government? Were right wingers traitors when they wanted to have Clinton impeached for having 'sex with that woman'?

9/11 is considerably more serious than Clinton playing cigar games with Monica. It would be highly unpatriotic NOT to question 9/11 when the conspiracy theory that our government clings to has more holes than a spaghetti strainer.

Oh, and do you remember that in America there is such a thing as freedom of speech?

Why should anyone be so naive as to believe that a president or any other high level officials should be above the laws of this country?

The train wreck that is Rosie O'Donnell strikes again. Is she really a traitor or just a stupid, self-destructive idiot.?

http://news.aol.com/entertainment/tv/articles/_a/rosie-vs-oreilly-clash-in-new-view-feud/20070403093409990001She's a traitor because she implies that the US or Britain may stage incidents to spark wars? Well, Rosie is a moron, but it would not be really surprising if either the US or Britain would indeed attempt something of that sort. I mean, we've all seen Colin Powell lying to the UN security council and building the case against Iraq on allegations and fabricated material. Staging something seems to be part of US policy.

The really terminally stupid thing I've read in this thread is contained in the title's mind-numbingly imbecilic accusation of treachery.

And of course the ad hominems.

Buh? She thinks that only the US and the UK were disputing Iran's claims? Did she not read anything at all about the EU and Norway stating that they were supporting the UK? She really must just say the first thing that comes into her head.

Rosie O'Donnell is an attention whore, nothing more. And so far the American Public is keeping her needs well-fed.

There's really only one solution:

Thunderdome. :)

Rosie O'Donnell is an attention whore, nothing more. And so far the American Public is keeping her needs well-fed.

This is rife for hilarious editing.

Rosie O'Donnell is a man-whore, nothing more. And so far the American Public is keeping her well-fed.

Settle this with a fight in The Octagon!

Rosie should have her tongue removed..and then taken deep into the forest and disemboweled with a wooden cooking spoon..before being locked in a porter pot and being set aflame

And of course the ad hominems.

You have no right to talk about ad hominems, Fass. I seem to recall you enjoying the employment of them quite frequently, usually to my amusement. :p

Rosie should have her tongue removed..and then taken deep into the forest and disemboweled with a wooden cooking spoon..before being locked in a porter pot and being set aflameAnd God bless America.

There's really only one solution:

Thunderdome. :)

That made me "LOL" in real life. Good job!

I think it's funny because in the beginning of Bill's video he said he was for Freedom of Speech but towards the end he was saying that you can't allow Anti-American/Anti-Government remarks, which makes him a hypocrit. I agree that I think you should balance one opinion with another to give people other choices, but as long as the anti-whatever talk is not inflamitory no one has any right to censor.

And by inflamitory I mean saying something that isn't true. Bill can't prove Rosie wrong just like Roise can't prove she is right, therefore making it an opinion on the matter.

Must I repeat myself...im tired of hearing about that stupid has been obviously she looked at the 9/11 conspiracy videos on the internet..and in her last rant she mentions the building falling and talks about how there is no way a building collapses like that without explosives..I wasn't aware Rosie was now a demolitions expert...and shes never heard of fire melting steel...the fire didn't even have to melt the support frames it just had to weaken them enough which jet fuel burning at anywhere from 800º to 1500ºF plus the force of an explosion would easily do that...someone remind me again how this idiot got on TV in the first place and as a comic she's not even mildly amusing...

Huh? Why is this news worthy? :confused:

Must I repeat myself...im tired of hearing about that stupid has been obviously she looked at the 9/11 conspiracy videos on the internet..and in her last rant she mentions the building falling and talks about how there is no way a building collapses like that without explosives..I wasn't aware Rosie was now a demolitions expert...and shes never heard of fire melting steel...the fire didn't even have to melt the support frames it just had to weaken them enough which jet fuel burning at anywhere from 800º to 1500ºF plus the force of an explosion would easily do that...someone remind me again how this idiot got on TV in the first place and as a comic she's not even mildly amusing...That has what to do with 15 Britishers detained by Iran?
Huh? Why is this news worthy? :confused:Because the US does not currently conduct a new invasion somewhere.

That has what to do with 15 Britishers detained by Iran?
Because the US does not currently conduct a new invasion somewhere.

I believe it is YOU who should check what thread your posting in as this ones about O'donnell not the 15 detainees although we can go there if you like...

Huh? Why is this news worthy? :confused:

Because the U.S. media has to choose between this, reruns about that dead celebrity's "Death Fridge", and acknowledging that Hillary Clinton got her ass kicked in Q1 by Barrack Obama.

Barrack Obama..He's half Honkey and all donkey

Because the U.S. media has to choose between this, reruns about that dead celebrity's "Death Fridge", and acknowledging that Hillary Clinton got her ass kicked in Q1 by Barrack Obama.

Right.... because apart from that, nothing at all is happening in the world, right?

Right.... because apart from that, nothing at all is happening in the world, right?

No, because, for some reason, those subjects sell well. Face it, news isn't about what's happening around the world. It's about what the media can convince you is happening in the world, that will make them the most money.

No, because, for some reason, those subjects sell well. Face it, news isn't about what's happening around the world. It's about what the media can convince you is happening in the world, that will make them the most money.

Ok, let me re-phrase my question then : Why are people in the US interested in this to the extend that they will let the media make money of it and post threads here?

I believe it is YOU who should check what thread your posting in as this ones about O'donnell not the 15 detainees although we can go there if you like...?? the link in the OP leads to a webpage that features a video in which O'Donnel makes remarks about the incident with Iran seizing 15 Britishers and the possibility of Britain staging the incident. Is this not what this thread is about?

Ok, let me re-phrase my question then : Why are people in the US interested in this to the extend that they will let the media make money of it and post threads here?

Don't ask me. I don't watch the news. I use the internet. It means that I can avoid this shit, for the most part.

with the most powerful military on the face of the planet in the hands of a treasonous usurper (g.w.bushwacker, as if the reference wasn't sufficiently obvious and unambiguous), any so called 'treason' on the part of anyone else, it seems to me, becomes rather academic (if not downright patriotic!).

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Ok, let me re-phrase my question then : Why are people in the US interested in this to the extend that they will let the media make money of it and post threads here?

I second that;

WHO CARES??

We interrupt this story which is coming from Iraq
'cus Rosie's suin' Donald Donald's suin' Rosie back

I thought she was terminally ill. I've never been more disapointed in my life :(

Wasn't she just expresing her opinion? She is alowed to do that still in the States yeah? Land of the free and all that?

The train wreck that is Rosie O'Donnell strikes again. Is she really a traitor or just a stupid, self-destructive idiot.?

http://news.aol.com/entertainment/tv/articles/_a/rosie-vs-oreilly-clash-in-new-view-feud/20070403093409990001

For starters, there's no possible way you can construe what she said as treasonous. That's stupid even by the low bar O'Reilly sets on a daily basis. It's probably a stretch to compare what happened in this case with the Gulf of Tonkin, but it's not ridiculous to imagine an Iranian version of the Gulf of Tonkin incident happening--after all, the Iraq War was started on pretty flimsy pretenses also. So what's so outrageous about what Rosie O'Donnell said again? It's certainly no worse than what comes out of O'Reilly's piehole on any given night.

Wasn't she just expresing her opinion? She is alowed to do that still in the States yeah? Land of the free and all that?

Oh my we have someone on a high horse, better get my megaphone so you can hear.

I don't wish her terminally ill for stating her fairly accurate opinion. I dislike her for everything else she's done before that. The Rosie Mcdonald show being far less tolerable than anything even O'rly put out.

If I had to choose as to who got Luekemia, her or a six year old girl. Hmmm.

I stopped reading when I hit "Bill O'Reilly."

Oh my we have someone on a high horse, better get my megaphone so you can hear.

I don't wish her terminally ill for stating her fairly accurate opinion. I dislike her for everything else she's done before that. The Rosie Mcdonald show being far less tolerable than anything even O'rly put out.

If I had to choose as to who got Luekemia, her or a six year old girl. Hmmm.

Umm I see, so let me get this correct. You actualy wish this woman to be trerminaly ill, because you dislike a show she has done?

Umm I see, so let me get this correct. You actualy wish this woman to be trerminaly ill, because you dislike a show she has done?

That's right :D

Yes, I'm a sarcastic prick. *nods*

Rosie O'Donnell is an attention whore, nothing more. And so far the American Public is keeping her needs well-fed.

Quite.

That's right :D

Yes, I'm a sarcastic prick. *nods*

Wow what a well rounded human you are!

I stopped reading when I hit "Bill O'Reilly."

Likewise. They're both pretty fucking terrible. Look at the poll results as well, they're pretty lawlable.

Likewise. They're both pretty fucking terrible. Look at the poll results as well, they're pretty lawlable.
O'Reilly or any of the rest of those asshat conservapundits accusing anyone of anything pretty much exonerates them for me.

Rosie O'Donnell is an attention whore, nothing more. And so far the American Public is keeping her needs well-fed.

*earthquake!*

I agree with Gauthier. She's not a traitor - she's just someone who likes to say outrageous stuff to keep her face on TV.

Wow what a well rounded human you are!

*fills out another perscription for one sense of humor*

*fills out another perscription for one sense of humor*

Hahah shit man, what a way to backtrack huh!

Rosie O'Donnell is an attention whore, nothing more. And so far the American Public is keeping her needs well-fed.

Obviously, cuz she still looks like a cow.

the day that she gets shoved down into her place wont be soon enough. wasnt she almost bankrupt a few years ago, but got back up by bringing up her homosexuality.

Obviously, cuz she still looks like a cow.Hey, watch your words! There might be Hindus around.

But really, because of what is O'Donnel a celebrity? She had a talk show once, right? Anything else?

rosie odonnel would benefit greatly from a membership at nationstates general. she is interested in politics but no one around her is willing to challenge her so that she can grow in her political understanding. so she is stuck in the conspiracy theory stage of political thought.

the other older women on the view are equally politically naive. thats why they only need the one younger woman conservative to balance them out. she is the only one who has a clue.

as for bill oreilly, i assume he just wanted to get in on the publicity train that donald trump jumped on. why else would he go after rosie? its not like she is a worthy opponent.

rosie odonnel would benefit greatly from a membership at nationstates general. she is interested in politics but no one around her is willing to challenge her so that she can grow in her political understanding. so she is stuck in the conspiracy theory stage of political thought.

the other older women on the view are equally politically naive. thats why they only need the one younger woman conservative to balance them out. she is the only one who has a clue.

as for bill oreilly, i assume he just wanted to get in on the publicity train that donald trump jumped on. why else would he go after rosie? its not like she is a worthy opponent.
well it's not like most of NSG doesn't also think that Bush doesn' make up lies to invade a country. or make up lies for any other reason too.

there are no worthy opponents for o'reilly, or did you miss his massacre at the hands of colbert?

well it's not like most of NSG doesn't also think that Bush doesn' make up lies to invade a country. or make up lies for any other reason too.

there are no worthy opponents for o'reilly, or did you miss his massacre at the hands of colbert?

yeah but heres the difference.

when someone comes HERE and says that bush planned 9/11 or lied to get us into iraq they get their ass handed to them. when rosie says it, no one is going to contradict her, it would mean losing their job. so rosie never gets crushed in a political discussion. even the lone conservative on the panel cant manage to outshout rosie so her sane comments get lost.

and yes youre right about oreilly too. but im still pretty sure he is ranting against rosie not because she is a political idiot but because he wants the publicity.

when someone comes HERE and says that bush planned 9/11 or lied to get us into iraq they get their ass handed to them. when rosie says it, no one is going to contradict her, it would mean losing their job. so rosie never gets crushed in a political discussion. even the lone conservative on the panel cant manage to outshout rosie so her sane comments get lost.
oh well i didn't know she was that loopy.

and yes youre right about oreilly too. but im still pretty sure he is ranting against rosie not because she is a political idiot but because he wants the publicity.

They're both vicious publicity hounds, willing to do/say anything to get some serious attention.

Part of me wouldn't put it past them to have decided jointly to start some sort of idiotic "feud" just to get attention.

Hey, watch your words! There might be Hindus around.

But really, because of what is O'Donnel a celebrity? She had a talk show once, right? Anything else?

She's a loud-mouthed cow. That's her claim to fame. Oh, and she came out as a lesbian. She saw Ellen Degeneres' popularity skyrocket, so she came out, too. Unfortunately for Rosie, she's not even one-tenth as funny as Ellen Degeneres.

She's a loud-mouthed cow. That's her claim to fame. Oh, and she came out as a lesbian. She saw Ellen Degeneres' popularity skyrocket, so she came out, too. Unfortunately for Rosie, she's not even one-tenth as funny as Ellen Degeneres.

QFT.

yeah but heres the difference.

when someone comes HERE and says that bush planned 9/11 or lied to get us into iraq they get their ass handed to them. when rosie says it, no one is going to contradict her, it would mean losing their job. so rosie never gets crushed in a political discussion. even the lone conservative on the panel cant manage to outshout rosie so her sane comments get lost.

and yes youre right about oreilly too. but im still pretty sure he is ranting against rosie not because she is a political idiot but because he wants the publicity.

But Bush did lie to get us into Iraq, or his administration did anyway. The 9/11 thing is bullshit, obviously.

But Bush did lie to get us into Iraq, or his administration did anyway. The 9/11 thing is bullshit, obviously.

i know he did. that doesnt stop people who say so from getting their asses handed to them though. its been a long time since ive seen anyone make a deep enough analysis of the runup to the war to demonstrate how what he said and did was a lie. most people go with a simplistic "it wasnt true so he lied" theory.

*earthquake!*

I agree with Gauthier. She's not a traitor - she's just someone who likes to say outrageous stuff to keep her face on TV.

Totally Agree.

But Bush did lie to get us into Iraq, or his administration did anyway. The 9/11 thing is bullshit, obviously.

The charge that he consciously lied is questionable. That he was totally wrong, and that he and his advisers fostered a terrible case of general group-think isn't. If anything, during late 2002 and 2003 the entire national security apparatus suddenly failed to be able to even think of questions and objections, because of the severe confirmation bias the administration had fostered. Everyone fell into the trap...even foreign governments hostile to the concept of the war.

He was a total idiot who neglected his responsibilities to critically analyze the evidence. He deserves a swift kick in the pants, and several years of legislative purgatory for all of his pet projects.

But Bush did lie to get us into Iraq, or his administration did anyway. The 9/11 thing is bullshit, obviously.

I have a question - why are so many of the 9/11 "Truthers" also regular posters on the DailyKos?

The charge that he consciously lied is questionable. That he was totally wrong, and that he and his advisers fostered a terrible case of general group-think isn't. If anything, during late 2002 and 2003 the entire national security apparatus suddenly failed to be able to even think of questions and objections, because of the severe confirmation bias the administration had fostered. Everyone fell into the trap...even foreign governments hostile to the concept of the war.

He was a total idiot who neglected his responsibilities to critically analyze the evidence. He deserves a swift kick in the pants, and several years of legislative purgatory for all of his pet projects.

That's part of the deception, though--that there were no dissenting voices in the intelligence community. There were tons of them, but the administration--and I use that term as opposed to Bush personally for a reason--made sure they were kept as quiet as possible. Hell, that's part of what caused the whole Joe Wilson/Valerie Plame issue, the fact that Wilson went public with what many in the intelligence community had been saying internally for months.

That's part of the deception, though--that there were no dissenting voices in the intelligence community. There were tons of them, but the administration--and I use that term as opposed to Bush personally for a reason--made sure they were kept as quiet as possible. Hell, that's part of what caused the whole Joe Wilson/Valerie Plame issue, the fact that Wilson went public with what many in the intelligence community had been saying internally for months.

Makes you wonder why the head of the CIA at that time said it was a "slam dunk".

I have a question - why are so many of the 9/11 "Truthers" also regular posters on the DailyKos?They aren't. That's one of the very few things that can get you insta-banned at Kos. You're not even trying anymore.

Makes you wonder why the head of the CIA at that time said it was a "slam dunk".

Maybe it makes you wonder. I figured he wanted to keep his job and didn't think the invasion and occupation would go so wrong.

They aren't. That's one of the very few things that can get you insta-banned at Kos. You're not even trying anymore.

Apparently not. LGF has permanent links to Truther comments over at Kos.

It's disgusting that people even ask the question, "Is O'Donnell a traitor."

Disgusting.

This nation is really going down the shithole. Ooh wait, you gonna call ME a traitor too?

Apparently not. LGF has permanent links to Truther comments over at Kos.

Recent ones? By people who are still members? No chance.

It's disgusting that people even ask the question, "Is O'Donnell a traitor."

Disgusting.

This nation is really going down the shithole. Ooh wait, you gonna call ME a traitor too?

You'll notice I'm not one of them.

Traitor, no.

Ignorant ugly mean nasty shitbag with the manners of a tapeworm, yes. (o'Donnell)

That's part of the deception, though--that there were no dissenting voices in the intelligence community. There were tons of them, but the administration--and I use that term as opposed to Bush personally for a reason--made sure they were kept as quiet as possible. Hell, that's part of what caused the whole Joe Wilson/Valerie Plame issue, the fact that Wilson went public with what many in the intelligence community had been saying internally for months.

Most of the dissenting voices were regularly marginalized from within the IC, though, quashed underneath a broad group of cultural assumptions regarding Iraq, driven especially from the DIA. One of the most notorious failures is the negative evidence problems that the USIC was having. The lack of good evidence was taken as a sign that the WMD's were being kept secret, and that they must be there.

The failures of the USIC and the administration leading up to the invasion are so huge, and the responsibility for the failures is so broad that it's almost incomprehensible in scope. That they occurred are of little surprise.

I've got a better question: When will people stop linking to AOL?

Seriously, she's a racist bigot and an idiot who is only famous because of Rossane and a vague ability to act. She's not much better than a large portion of the redneck women, really.

I saw this post, and I don't care if anyone's already corrected him for it, but I have to:

Roseanne Barr =/= Rosie O'Donnel.

Roseanne Barr =/= Rosie O'Donnel.Kyronea did not say otherwise...

I've got a better question: When will people stop linking to AOL?

Seriously, she's a racist bigot and an idiot who is only famous because of Rossane and a vague ability to act. She's not much better than a large portion of the redneck women, really.

I think you're thinking of Roseanne Barr. Not Rosie O'Donnell. Not that your comments about her being a bigot are accurate for either of the two...

Anyway, I do think Rosie goes too far sometimes. But I think O'Reilly goes too far ALL the time. Frankly, the man can't utter a word without sounding like a douche bag.

The difference is that Fox puts O'Reilly on KNOWING he's a douche.

Rosie doesn't believe she's a douche, and neither do the producers who put her on the air.

Anyway, I do think Rosie goes too far sometimes. But I think O'Reilly goes too far ALL the time. Frankly, the man can't utter a word without sounding like a douche bag.

Kyronea did not say otherwise...

Yes, the topic is about Rosie O'Donnel, and he's referenced the Roseanne TV show.

Kyronea did not say otherwise...

He said she was famous because of Rosanne, so far as I know Rosie O'Donnell was never on Rosanne.

The difference is that Fox puts O'Reilly on KNOWING he's a douche.

Rosie doesn't believe she's a douche, and neither do the producers who put her on the air.
You think O'Reilly believes he's a douche? Seriously? And you don't think Rosie's producers put her on precisely because she's liable to say outrageous shit? Give me a fucking break. You're not that dumb.

It speaks volumes for our freedom of speech that this bloated,self-loathing sow can get on the air everyday and spout her ignorant stupidity.

I wouldnt have it any other way.