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Okay, to avoid a threadjack, I'm starting this thread. Discuss Scientology.

I'm probably the most educated person on the subject of Scientology in these forums, but I've repeated the same strories and facts SO many times that I coudln't possibly do it right now.

Maybe later.

It's hated in Germany...

TOM CRUISE IS TEH MESSIAH

all must now watch War of the Worlds and MI:III

:p

Scientology scares me, the un-funny ytmnd on scientology gave me nightmares. :(

It is also a brainwash cult and as many of you know I consider brainwash to be an unforgivable evil. Besides its "leaders" are only after money and it's beliefs can be dis proven with science, the age of the earth alone can disprove it. And psychology being against their religion goes to show that they are afraid that the psychologist would smell the tainted scent of brainwash. Its like saying going to the doctor is against your religion because if you go the doc will find traces of abuse or poison which would be analogical to the crap they fill their heads with and the psychological abuse they do to their followers. Trust me, if there wasn't psychological abuse then the majority of the cases on the un-funny truth wouldn't have gone mad. The very founder actually said that starting religions is a perfect way to get rich.

I'm probably the most educated person on the subject of Scientology in these forums, but I've repeated the same strories and facts SO many times that I coudln't possibly do it right now.

Maybe later.
And yet you voted for "Joke taken too far"? Funny, the more *I* learned about it, the more it got obvious (if needed to be any clearer) that it's a brainwashy cult.

Oh, and you just might have to share that title with another poster whose name escapes me at the moment (I'm thinking something with Beachboys, but I might be making that up) who posted on the previous Scientology threads.

That said, I'm also going to have to bail now until some time tomorrow night when this thread will long have sunken into oblivion, sorry about the hit and run. :/

Remember the last time we had a big scientology thread? All these 'new' posters suddenly popped up rigorously defending it? The Scientologists skim the net, seeking these kinds of threads out...it's creepy.

Remember the last time we had a big scientology thread? All these 'new' posters suddenly popped up rigorously defending it? The Scientologists skim the net, seeking these kinds of threads out...it's creepy.

They do it in an attempt to know their foes and convert people to their evil beliefs.

My sister said that sometimes they even send assassins to find some of the posters if they have enough info.

I'm convinced that most members aren't actually aware of all the crazy space-stuff, since I refuse to believe there are that many otherwise normal people who believe in such rubbish.

*waits for someone to make comparison to Christianity*

Remember the last time we had a big scientology thread? All these 'new' posters suddenly popped up rigorously defending it? The Scientologists skim the net, seeking these kinds of threads out...it's creepy.

Not creepy. Think positive. Bait. Combined with an ip trace it becomes an invaluable tool. Combine ip trace with a CMOS virus specifically designed to disable the power unit voltage regulator, and hilarity ensues.

I'm convinced that most members aren't actually aware of all the crazy space-stuff, since I refuse to believe there are that many otherwise normal people who believe in such rubbish.

*waits for someone to make comparison to Christianity*

Only radical Christians brainwash, the moderate ones don't all out shove their beliefs down your throat.

There's one of them in my neighborhood. She came to my door despite the large sign beside it: "No religious affiliations or solicitors of any kind. Thank you."

"Would you like something or other testing for free?"

"No thanks."

"Why not, do you not believe in sound body and mind?"

"I have a sound body, that's good enough." *fake smile*

"I'm sure you've heard of Scientology."

At that point I stopped being friendly as I've been civil enough at this point.

"I'm sorry but I'm not interested."

"Ok, have a nice day sir."

She came back three days in a row until I threatened to call the cops and file a restraining order. Each day she became more and more pushy, and said she'd sue if I didn't lock my dogs up. I see her walking down the street every now and then. Crazy bitch.

And yet you voted for "Joke taken too far"? Funny, the more *I* learned about it, the more it got obvious (if needed to be any clearer) that it's a brainwashy cult.

Oh, and you just might have to share that title with another poster whose name escapes me at the moment (I'm thinking something with Beachboys, but I might be making that up) who posted on the previous Scientology threads.

That said, I'm also going to have to bail now until some time tomorrow night when this thread will long have sunken into oblivion, sorry about the hit and run. :/
*Okie falls off a cliff
The first time in recorded history I agree with one of your posts!:p

all must now watch War of the Worlds and MI:III
:p

And Battlefield Earth. Don't forget Battlefield Earth. (And, if my suspicions are correct, Phenomenon as well)

I'm convinced that most members aren't actually aware of all the crazy space-stuff, since I refuse to believe there are that many otherwise normal people who believe in such rubbish.


Well, I'd say they'd be aware of it now after the outing by that South Park episode... *evil Xenu laugh*

They do it in an attempt to know their foes and convert people to their evil beliefs.

My sister said that sometimes they even send assassins to find some of the posters if they have enough info.

ack! *runs*

A scientologist recruiter handed me a pamphlet in Times Square when I was in New York, so I suppose you don't need to be a wealthy Hollywood-type to join. That's nice and egalitarian of them.. but otherwise, I'd categorize them as more than a bit nutty.

Specifically, your access to church doctrine is limited at the outset, so you only get glimpses of what they stand for and teach until you progress within the church.. makes it a bit difficult to know what you're involved in, and explains why a good number drop out once they're deemed "qualified" to learn about the alien spirits and such. :p

What about phenomenon is Scientological?

She came back three days in a row until I threatened to call the cops and file a restraining order. Each day she became more and more pushy, and said she'd sue if I didn't lock my dogs up. I see her walking down the street every now and then. Crazy bitch.

You could always fake a call to Xenu, ask him to drop a hydrogen bomb on her house. :p

What about phenomenon is Scientological?

John Travolta.

A scientologist recruiter handed me a pamphlet in Times Square when I was in New York, so I suppose you don't need to be a wealthy Hollywood-type to join. That's nice and egalitarian of them.. but otherwise, I'd categorize them as more than a bit nutty.

Specifically, your access to church doctrine is limited at the outset, so you only get glimpses of what they stand for and teach until you progress within the church.. makes it a bit difficult to know what you're involved in, and explains why a good number drop out once they're deemed "qualified" to learn about the alien spirits and such. :p

You don't need to be wealthy to join, they'll just take all your money and have you working for them for minimum wage, every cent of which goes into the shitty living conditions they give you and the fraudulent E-meter tests.

You could always fake a call to Xenu, ask him to drop a hydrogen bomb on her house. :p

At least it's satisfying to know we have better technology than an infinitely superior alien race that 'founded' us. Hydrogen bomb *lowl*

What about phenomenon is Scientological?

Nothing concrete apart from Travolta being the main actor, except that it seems an interesting coincidence to have Psi/telekinesis - which I recall being present in parts of Scientology doctrine - being demonstrated by Travolta's character.

If scientology were personified it would be a crazy nut who makes people laugh by day but kills and robs people by night :(

http://theunfunnytruth.ytmnd.com/


Jesus will destroy scientology (http://jesuswilldestroyscientology.ytmnd.com/)

You don't need to be wealthy to join, they'll just take all your money and have you working for them for minimum wage, every cent of which goes into the shitty living conditions they give you and the fraudulent E-meter tests.

and when you run out of money and cant work for them anymore, you are out on your ass. no freeloaders in scientology.

Jesus will destroy scientology (http://jesuswilldestroyscientology.ytmnd.com/)

No. It would be a rigorous and thorough campaign of arrests and re-education in gulags that would do it.

A scientologist recruiter handed me a pamphlet in Times Square when I was in New York, so I suppose you don't need to be a wealthy Hollywood-type to join. That's nice and egalitarian of them.. but otherwise, I'd categorize them as more than a bit nutty.

Specifically, your access to church doctrine is limited at the outset, so you only get glimpses of what they stand for and teach until you progress within the church.. makes it a bit difficult to know what you're involved in, and explains why a good number drop out once they're deemed "qualified" to learn about the alien spirits and such. :p


/off topic sorta: My mother was given a little book by some newly joined (at the time) JW's in my family. It read like a telemarketers or salesman guide if you will. Telling them the 'comebacks' to say to the person who doesn't buy into it. I still think that book wasn't suppose to be given out to non JW's and that they made a mistake.

Scientology is an incredibly dangerous cult on par with the Thuggees.

As for Scientology, it's freaky BS.

/off topic sorta: My mother was given a little book by some newly joined (at the time) JW's in my family. It read like a telemarketers or salesman guide if you will. Telling them the 'comebacks' to say to the person who doesn't buy into it. I still think that book wasn't suppose to be given out to non JW's and that they made a mistake.
The JWs also give that book out if they think they're about to get a new recruit, who'll need to break it to their non-JW family. This happens even before the expected newb even sees the inside of the "Kingdom Hall" (where they meet). I think they expect the family to shit bricks and argue.

I was about 16 when I got a copy of that...I was almooost ready to "sign on the dotted line" so to speak. What I'd heard so far (emphasis on SO FAR) didn't sound bad...

But my mother didn't freak out or argue--she just said, "go to the meeting, and see what you think of it."

So I did.
At the time, I had not run across such hypocrisy in my life as I saw at their "meeting!" All along in their visits, they'd harped on the issue of modesty. They had said to be modest all the time, etc...over and over again. Yet when I got there, it was nothing but a huge display of how well they learned their Watchtower and Awake! that week. Such arrogance! And over such a thing as that!

I figured if they could be huge hypocritcal BSers on that--something that had been a major plank in the platform presented to me--they would have a whole lot more BS yet to come, and I bolted without ever signing on.

Later on when I read more about them, I'm very glad I didn't end up buying in.

Okay, to avoid a threadjack, I'm starting this thread. Discuss Scientology.

Scientology is a disgusting, hateful organization that has murdered people and ruined lives for the sake of gaining as much money as possible. They destroy people utterly and the organization should be broken down and tried for the various crimes it has committed.

Scientology is a disgusting, hateful organization that has murdered people and ruined lives for the sake of gaining as much money as possible. They destroy people utterly and the organization should be broken down and tried for the various crimes it has committed.


I 100% agree.

It's hated in Germany...

Even stopped clocks....

Fergi America;12509261']At the time, I had not run across such hypocrisy in my life as I saw at their "meeting!" All along in their visits, they'd harped on the issue of modesty. They had said to be modest all the time, etc...over and over again. Yet when I got there, it was nothing but a huge display of how well they learned their Watchtower and Awake! that week. Such arrogance! And over such a thing as that!

lol, before I remembered that Watchtower and Awake was their magazine (via Google) I was taking modesty in a fashion/sexual sense, and thought Watchtower and Awake was some sort of raunchy, nip-tuck type show.

Fergi America;12509261']As for Scientology, it's freaky BS.


The JWs also give that book out if they think they're about to get a new recruit, who'll need to break it to their non-JW family. This happens even before the expected newb even sees the inside of the "Kingdom Hall" (where they meet). I think they expect the family to shit bricks and argue.

I was about 16 when I got a copy of that...I was almooost ready to "sign on the dotted line" so to speak. What I'd heard so far (emphasis on SO FAR) didn't sound bad...

But my mother didn't freak out or argue--she just said, "go to the meeting, and see what you think of it."

So I did.
At the time, I had not run across such hypocrisy in my life as I saw at their "meeting!" All along in their visits, they'd harped on the issue of modesty. They had said to be modest all the time, etc...over and over again. Yet when I got there, it was nothing but a huge display of how well they learned their Watchtower and Awake! that week. Such arrogance! And over such a thing as that!

I figured if they could be huge hypocritcal BSers on that--something that had been a major plank in the platform presented to me--they would have a whole lot more BS yet to come, and I bolted without ever signing on.

Later on when I read more about them, I'm very glad I didn't end up buying in.

They also practice shunning. They are taught this. Which is one of the most un-Godly things you can do to anyone IMO. About the week... well all over, all of them are hearing the same thing. So they are all on one page. But really.. I'll be honest.. before a family member got into it.. I didn't know much, didn't research ofcourse.. had no reason to. And I wouldn't had if they didn't start acting the way they did. Now they go around to any family members funeral home(which has become frequent-- since the WWII'ers are dieng off) and leave a scripture number beside their name. It's a psalm .. and I have read it.. but I cannot remember the exact passage atm. But I do know they are implying that it says the dead is Not going to heaven or to meet the lord in any way.. they are going to sleep. They believe only their 'annointed' will go to heaven. I had said family member tell me this when my mother was dieing .. all I had said was is that she will go to the lord... she will be at peace.. they had a freakin cow and screamed she will not go to the lord! Basically, They were freakin aholes and showed no sign of the holy spirit. They were worse off as people than before they joined it.

Previous thread, who remembers the antics of that Scientologist Spy?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=490061

http://scientologyruinscareers.ytmnd.com/

I dunno if this is true or not but I think the people here should see it.

http://googlebomb.ytmnd.com/ lets drop the google bomb.

http://scientologyinformation.ytmnd.com/

ytmnd has lots of stuff on these guys. I'm going to check out the wiki entry

Previous thread, who remembers the antics of that Scientologist Spy?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=490061

First page .. Vetalia owned.

But then Gartef comes in to make a comparison. ugh.

and omg.. this is crazy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Snow_White) .. but believable.

*runs* .. seriously.. I want my pic removed from this site. I've asked in the past .. going to sending tg's to mods.. but it hasn't budged.

If I may bring a gaming analogy into this...

Scientology makes the Brotherhood of Nod look entirely sane.

Scientology scares me, the un-funny ytmnd on scientology gave me nightmares. :(

It is also a brainwash cult and as many of you know I consider brainwash to be an unforgivable evil. Besides its "leaders" are only after money and it's beliefs can be dis proven with science, the age of the earth alone can disprove it. And psychology being against their religion goes to show that they are afraid that the psychologist would smell the tainted scent of brainwash. Its like saying going to the doctor is against your religion because if you go the doc will find traces of abuse or poison which would be analogical to the crap they fill their heads with and the psychological abuse they do to their followers. Trust me, if there wasn't psychological abuse then the majority of the cases on the un-funny truth wouldn't have gone mad. The very founder actually said that starting religions is a perfect way to get rich.

how are their beliefs scientificaly disproved? what are they anyway?

First page .. Vetalia owned.

But then Gartef comes in to make a comparison. ugh.

and omg.. this is crazy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Snow_White) .. but believable.

*runs* .. seriously.. I want my pic removed from this site. I've asked in the past .. going to sending tg's to mods.. but it hasn't budged.

I think there'd be a war with the Republicans if they Scientologists try to pull that file crud again especially now that the Reps are more greedy and powerhungry than ever and the war on terror on top of that.

I'm convinced that most members aren't actually aware of all the crazy space-stuff, since I refuse to believe there are that many otherwise normal people who believe in such rubbish.

*waits for someone to make comparison to Christianity*

well, since you implied the comparison, there's no need for us to make it now is there? :D

Remember the last time we had a big scientology thread? All these 'new' posters suddenly popped up rigorously defending it? The Scientologists skim the net, seeking these kinds of threads out...it's creepy.

what are they doing looking at NS if they can't take mind changing drugs,dont they know thats what NS dose to you

While I think the CoS is immoral and a danger to society, I actually read about the Freezone and felt interested in it for a while. I took the liberty to interpret the question in that sense.

well, since you implied the comparison, there's no need for us to make it now is there? :D


You're one! *conspiracy radar goes haywire* .. ^explodes^ or well.. I duck.

I think there'd be a war with the Republicans if they Scientologists try to pull that file crud again especially now that the Reps are more greedy and powerhungry than ever and the war on terror on top of that.


If they were in there then, they are in there now.

If they were in there then, they are in there now.

Cults are like the tapeworms in Uncle Sam's gut. They're slowly evolving into brainworms...brainworms.... *wishes there was a "brrrrrr" emit icon

You're one! *conspiracy radar goes haywire* .. ^explodes^ or well.. I duck.

in fact I'm a member of the EAC.

wait, I wasn't supposed to say that out loud was I?

don't worry though, black helicopters are NOT going to seek you out to kill you.

*walkiry them starts playing*

*a noise not unlike that of a gunship helicopter seems to be growing*

Scientology should be declared a criminal organization and banned.

I'm probably the most educated person on the subject of Scientology in these forums, but I've repeated the same strories and facts SO many times that I coudln't possibly do it right now.

Maybe later.

Heh. I thought that was me. ;)

Scientology should be declared a criminal organization and banned.

It behaves like a corrupt government with fear and gestopo and violent murders.

Scientology should be declared a criminal organization and banned.

We should tip them off on good oil sites then sick Bush on them, they'll be dead in their tracks. :D :gundge:

Another sc thread??

It behaves like a corrupt government with fear and gestopo and violent murders.

QFMFT.

A joke taken too far to a brainwashy cult.

I still can't get over how much it sounds like a college student prank.
"I'm bored. What do you want to do?"
"Hey, why don't we start a joke religion? With, like, aliens and stuff!"
"Cool! And it can have nuclear bombs, and volcanoes, and like a gigantic alien overlord or something!"
"With space planes and spirits that fly around!"
"Damn, this is going to be the best April Fools Day prank ever!"

How the hell can a religion that involves an interstellar society that uses exactly the same technology as 1960s Earth have any followers at all? More to the point, how the hell can it actually have anything resembling enough clout to get away with its crimes?

A joke taken too far to a brainwashy cult.

I still can't get over how much it sounds like a college student prank.
"I'm bored. What do you want to do?"
"Hey, why don't we start a joke religion? With, like, aliens and stuff!"
"Cool! And it can have nuclear bombs, and volcanoes, and like a gigantic alien overlord or something!"
"With space planes and spirits that fly around!"
"Damn, this is going to be the best April Fools Day prank ever!"

How the hell can a religion that involves an interstellar society that uses exactly the same technology as 1960s Earth have any followers at all? More to the point, how the hell can it actually have anything resembling enough clout to get away with its crimes?

Umm what crimes? The crime of helping guilble people out of their money?

'Scuse me sir, would you like me to hold your wallet!

A joke taken too far to a brainwashy cult.

I still can't get over how much it sounds like a college student prank.
"I'm bored. What do you want to do?"
"Hey, why don't we start a joke religion? With, like, aliens and stuff!"
"Cool! And it can have nuclear bombs, and volcanoes, and like a gigantic alien overlord or something!"
"With space planes and spirits that fly around!"
"Damn, this is going to be the best April Fools Day prank ever!"

How the hell can a religion that involves an interstellar society that uses exactly the same technology as 1960s Earth have any followers at all? More to the point, how the hell can it actually have anything resembling enough clout to get away with its crimes?

They're nicer to you the richer and more famous you are, thus rich and famous people join, thus the Curch has fucktons of money to spend on lawyers, essentially bankrupting anyone who works against them through legal costs.

AAAAAAAAAAAA!

Evacuate uncyclopedia, we may have made fun of Scientology a bit too much there

sometimes it's a shame that the real churches don't burn people anymore...

Scientology should be declared a criminal organization and banned.

Agreed.

Just don't say anything about Scientology non-anonymously, alright? They really don't like negative attention.

Umm what crimes? The crime of helping guilble people out of their money?

'Scuse me sir, would you like me to hold your wallet!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Snow_White

[this boggles the mind whenever I see it. How can the US government be infiltrated on such a large scale by a pathetic little hack religion?]

Also, lots of their former members die in mysterious circumstances.

Go back through all of the posts and substitute Scientology with any other religion and look at the similarities. They are as crazy as any other religious fanatics.

If I may bring a gaming analogy into this...

Scientology makes the Brotherhood of Nod look entirely sane.
Yeah, Nod only mutates you, not rob you blind in the process.

There is no United Beleriand.
So what do you know of the unity of Beleriand?? :rolleyes: :eek: :p

http://7a6972656f5f74637568.killerhor.net/maps/realms_of_bel.jpg

Any religion that claims Tom "I jump on couches" Cruise to be the Messiah is clearly insane.

Umm what crimes?
The murders, for a start.

Go back through all of the posts and substitute Scientology with any other religion and look at the similarities. They are as crazy as any other religious fanatics.

Maybe as crazy, but I think they have most other religions pipped in the evil/greedy stakes.

It's just another religion.

Though, given my views on religion, that is perhaps the most damning thing I could possibly say about it.

It's just another religion.

Though, given my views on religion, that is perhaps the most damning thing I could possibly say about it.Their methods are not like those of other religions (although I do not really consider SC a religion).

Their methods are not like those of other religions (although I do not really consider SC a religion).
Their methods are very much the same. They make people feel somehow inadequate on their own, and the people then seek completion through the religous teachings.

Scientology is so last year.

Their methods are very much the same. They make people feel somehow inadequate on their own, and the people then seek completion through the religous teachings.

Actually, I read that their methods are much more sophisticated. Unfortunately, I lost the link, but it was an article on "training routines" or something, written by an ex-Scientologist.

There are worse cults. It's not THAT bad.

There are worse cults. It's not THAT bad.

It's pretty bad.

It's pretty bad.

I would say not relative to a lot of cults.

I would say not relative to a lot of cults.

Relative to leading a normal, non-culted life, yes.

OK, I've found an article about their methods, not the one I read before; it's shorter and less detailed, but here's the link anyway:

http://xenu.net/archive/techniques/

OK, I've found an article about their methods, not the one I read before; it's shorter and less detailed, but here's the link anyway:

http://xenu.net/archive/techniques/

I am familiar with the "overt hypnosis", its that strange bug-eyed look cultists give you when trying to convert you, they're basically sending messages via body language to insert stuff in your head. I wonder if doing the same thing in order to deprogram them would work?

I would say not relative to a lot of cults.

Like which ones, for example?

I would say not relative to a lot of cults.yeah, and some dictators weren't bad relative to others...

Just put me down as Xenuphobic . . .