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Teachers drop the Holocaust to avoid offending Muslims

Schools are dropping the Holocaust from history lessons to avoid offending Muslim pupils, a Governmentbacked study has revealed.

It found some teachers are reluctant to cover the atrocity for fear of upsetting students whose beliefs include Holocaust denial.

There is also resistance to tackling the 11th century Crusades - where Christians fought Muslim armies for control of Jerusalem - because lessons often contradict what is taught in local mosques.

The findings have prompted claims that some schools are using history 'as a vehicle for promoting political correctness'.

The study, funded by the Department for Education and Skills, looked into 'emotive and controversial' history teaching in primary and secondary schools.

It found some teachers are dropping courses covering the Holocaust at the earliest opportunity over fears Muslim pupils might express anti-Semitic and anti-Israel reactions in class.

The researchers gave the example of a secondary school in an unnamed northern city, which dropped the Holocaust as a subject for GCSE coursework.

The report said teachers feared confronting 'anti-Semitic sentiment and Holocaust denial among some Muslim pupils'.

It added: "In another department, the Holocaust was taught despite anti-Semitic sentiment among some pupils.

"But the same department deliberately avoided teaching the Crusades at Key Stage 3 (11- to 14-year-olds) because their balanced treatment of the topic would have challenged what was taught in some local mosques."

A third school found itself 'strongly challenged by some Christian parents for their treatment of the Arab-Israeli conflict-and the history of the state of Israel that did not accord with the teachings of their denomination'.

The report concluded: "In particular settings, teachers of history are unwilling to challenge highly contentious or charged versions of history in which pupils are steeped at home, in their community or in a place of worship."

But Chris McGovern, history education adviser to the former Tory government, said: "History is not a vehicle for promoting political correctness. Children must have access to knowledge of these controversial subjects, whether palatable or unpalatable."

The researchers also warned that a lack of subject knowledge among teachers - particularly at primary level - was leading to history being taught in a 'shallow way leading to routine and superficial learning'.

Lessons in difficult topics were too often 'bland, simplistic and unproblematic' and bored pupils.

Now what the fuck is wrong with soceity today? How can the left claim that we can "all get along"...if these stupid Muslims can't even learn about the Holocaust, which is not only important to learn because of how terrible it was, but because of how it still effects the world today.

I beleive Chris McGovern said it right with: "History is not a vehicle for promoting political correctness. Children must have access to knowledge of these controversial subjects, whether palatable or unpalatable."

This is like if American schools would not teach us about Slavery....or German schools would not teach about World War II.....It's things like these that just go to show that we cannot all get along, and its only a matter of time before something widespread against Islam in Europe happens..and when that happens, I will only stand by and report it, and look you all in the face and say "I told you so."

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=522844

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Stupid pieces of shit these people are.

Already posted, already debunked. Repeatedly.

Bunch of prejudiced teachers and administrators. Worst of all, they blame the focus of their prejudice for their prejudice. It's rather sickening.

Just shows that political correctness and factual and open history lessons do not mix. If i had a choice, I would take the latter any day. Has anyone actually considered that some Jewish students will feel offended if the holocaust is censored from history? We have a duty to teach young people about these mistakes and tragedies in human history. Teachers are just trying to sweep the holocaust under the carpet like the Nazis tried to.

Been posted and shown to be almost entirely a pile of crap journalism. Enjoy your day.

Wow. You could almost argue not teaching any history as almost all lessons could alienate someone.

This isnt the case where my kids go to school- they have a mandatory amount of hours that MUST be spent on holocaust studies each year.

and that two or three week period has my one son always very down after school,guilty and disgusted by what went on.

Please make sure this topic hasn't already been covered (http://limewoody.files.wordpress.com/2006/04/aw_jeez_not_this_shit_again2.jpg). Because it has. And it's been shot to hell as being isolated, taken out of context from page 15 of a 48-page treatise on teacihng controversial history subjects, and being incredibly paranoid.

Yes, PC goes too far. More often than not, in fact. Also, we can't be tolerant of intolerance. However, this is drive-by media from the Right, and you know it.

Well isn't it obvious? We all know that if you say something didn't happen long enough and loudly enough, pretty soon, it won't have happened.

It used to be that history was written by the winners, which meant a lot of things were excluded. Now it's being written by the losers, which means that everything is being excluded and it's an even bigger work of fiction.

I forget who said it, I think it was Henry Ford - "History is a myth generally agreed upon."

Well isn't it obvious? We all know that if you say something didn't happen long enough and loudly enough, pretty soon, it won't have happened.

It used to be that history was written by the winners, which meant a lot of things were excluded. Now it's being written by the losers, which means that everything is being excluded and it's an even bigger work of fiction.

I forget who said it, I think it was Henry Ford - "History is a myth generally agreed upon."

It was Napoleon who said something of that sort. Henry Ford was the History is bunk one I think.

It was Napoleon who said something of that sort. Henry Ford was the History is bunk one I think.

You're right on both counts. And both Napoleon and Henry Ford were right.

Already posted, already torn to pieces.

Perhaps someone should throw Muslims in a concentration camp, and then we can deny it to avoid insulting the ones who did it to them.
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:rolleyes: if it was teached right they would not only find out that not only jewish people where in those camps

Perhaps someone should throw Muslims in a concentration camp, and then we can deny it to avoid insulting the ones who did it to them.
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1) Read the thread.
2) Read a history book.
3) Never use that smilie.

3) Never use that smilie.

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damn you beat me you son of a bitch :upyours:

Already posted, already debunked. Repeatedly.

Yes, but this provided an extra opportunity for The Atlantian isles to say "these stupid Muslims" and rant about "the left."

Facts not needed!

imagine my surprise when i got home yesterday and some ass on CNN was wanking on this same subject. it seems HE did no more looking into the article than our two OPs did.

i felt very superior as i explained to my husband that it was all bullshit.

Already posted, and majorly debunked. For Jeeb's sake, you posted an article from the Daily Mail. What did you expect?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=445979&in_page_id=1770&ito=newsnow

Teachers drop the Holocaust to avoid offending Muslims


Now what the fuck is wrong with soceity today? How can the left claim that we can "all get along"...if these stupid Muslims can't even learn about the Holocaust, which is not only important to learn because of how terrible it was, but because of how it still effects the world today.

I beleive Chris McGovern said it right with: "History is not a vehicle for promoting political correctness. Children must have access to knowledge of these controversial subjects, whether palatable or unpalatable."

This is like if American schools would not teach us about Slavery....or German schools would not teach about World War II.....It's things like these that just go to show that we cannot all get along, and its only a matter of time before something widespread against Islam in Europe happens..and when that happens, I will only stand by and report it, and look you all in the face and say "I told you so."You do not seem to have understood what this is about. This is not about Muslims not knowing about the Holocaust, or about not wanting to teach them about it. This is about the teachers' concerns that the Muslim students might take this as an opportunity to express anti-Jewish sentiments in class (e.g. by voicing support for the Holocaust). This is no attempt of political correctness, this is the result of plain fear.

And wasn't there a thread about this issue already?

imagine my surprise when i got home yesterday and some ass on CNN was wanking on this same subject. it seems HE did no more looking into the article than our two OPs did.

i felt very superior as i explained to my husband that it was all bullshit.


Yes indeed. And unlike many of the rest of us with some here, if you hear him mention the topic again, you can just give him a swift kick in the bollix for not having listened the first time.

Another hatemonger beat you to it.

Already posted, already shown to be rubbish.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=445979&in_page_id=1770&ito=newsnow

Teachers drop the Holocaust to avoid offending Muslims



Now what the fuck is wrong with soceity today? How can the left claim that we can "all get along"...if these stupid Muslims can't even learn about the Holocaust, which is not only important to learn because of how terrible it was, but because of how it still effects the world today.

I beleive Chris McGovern said it right with: "History is not a vehicle for promoting political correctness. Children must have access to knowledge of these controversial subjects, whether palatable or unpalatable."

This is like if American schools would not teach us about Slavery....or German schools would not teach about World War II.....It's things like these that just go to show that we cannot all get along, and its only a matter of time before something widespread against Islam in Europe happens..and when that happens, I will only stand by and report it, and look you all in the face and say "I told you so."

The left is surely going to be the end of humanity, they want to ban language, history, certain religions, morals and all other things that humanity can't do without because they claim its offensive. :mad: :headbang:

What this thread teaches me is that a surprising number of posters doesn't read the thread they're posting in. The story was said to be debunked during the first few posts, yet people still kept posting their outrage...

What this thread teaches me is that a surprising number of posters doesn't read the thread they're posting in. The story was said to be debunked during the first few posts, yet people still kept posting their outrage...What surprises me more is that there seem to be variant versions of the story at issue.

The left is surely going to be the end of humanity, they want to ban language, history, certain religions, morals and all other things that humanity can't do without because they claim its offensive. :mad: :headbang:

I don't know how people like you can keep spewing this crap.
1.How can people ban language?

2.How can you ban history? It's not actually possible. It's already happened.

3.No, we don't want to ban religion. For starters, I'm Christian, secondly, giving people rights (you know, those things left-wingers seem to like more than right-wingers) means giving them the right to worship. Banning religion is rather the opposite.

4.Would you like to explain to me how you ban morals?

What this thread teaches me is that a surprising number of posters doesn't read the thread they're posting in. The story was said to be debunked during the first few posts, yet people still kept posting their outrage...

Yep. Because it's good to pound on The Enemy.

The left is surely going to be the end of humanity, they want to ban language, history, certain religions, morals and all other things that humanity can't do without because they claim its offensive. :mad: :headbang:

See? Rawr liberal left DESTROYS HUMANITY rawr!

As I said, people don't give a shit about things like facts, truth, etc. They care about their petty need to be an "us" defeating "them."

imagine my surprise when i got home yesterday and some ass on CNN was wanking on this same subject. it seems HE did no more looking into the article than our two OPs did.

i felt very superior as i explained to my husband that it was all bullshit.NSG members are usually better informed than the average population.

NSG membership privilege #1: Knowledge.
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From the article:

"[...] history being taught in a 'shallow way leading to routine and superficial learning'.

Lessons in difficult topics were too often 'bland, simplistic and unproblematic' and bored pupils."

I can see an intriguing parallel between that kind of teaching and the Daily Fail's kind of journalism.

[I]Now what the fuck is wrong with soceity today? How can the left claim that we can "all get along"

i'm left and i'd argue this was pretty retarded if it were credible.

Please make sure this topic hasn't already been covered (http://limewoody.files.wordpress.com/2006/04/aw_jeez_not_this_shit_again2.jpg). Because it has. And it's been shot to hell as being isolated, taken out of context from page 15 of a 48-page treatise on teacihng controversial history subjects, and being incredibly paranoid.

Yes, PC goes too far. More often than not, in fact. Also, we can't be tolerant of intolerance. However, this is drive-by media from the Right, and you know it.

Already posted, already torn to pieces.

Been posted and shown to be almost entirely a pile of crap journalism. Enjoy your day.
its the fucking Daily Mail. what do you expect? :rolleyes:

its the fucking Daily Mail. what do you expect? :rolleyes:

Wasn't it the Daily Mail that, a few weeks ago, had a story claiming schools were banning swimming classes so as not to offend Muslims? Someone posted it here. I went to check the report the Mail was supposedly quoting from, and it said no such thing. The Mail was knowingly lying through its teeth.

Only an idiot would trust anything the Daily Mail says at face value, and use it as a reference.

Wasn't it the Daily Mail that, a few weeks ago, had a story claiming schools were banning swimming classes so as not to offend Muslims? Someone posted it here. I went to check the report the Mail was supposedly quoting from, and it said no such thing. The Mail was knowingly lying through its teeth.

Only an idiot would trust anything the Daily Mail says at face value, and use it as a reference.

oh i wouldn't be surprised... they have a long standing reputation for making up a lot of their "facts" and twisting stories to incredible lengths to meet their right wing adgenda.

they're a sensationalist, right-wing tabloid pretending to be a real newspaper.


then again, pretty much all journalists twist stories, eh? tis their job...

i'm left and i'd argue this was pretty retarded if it were credible.






its the fucking Daily Mail. what do you expect? :rolleyes:

I seem to remember seeing it in a couple of another newspapers as well; though the article looked very similar.

Necromancy: not just for corpses anymore.

Now what the fuck is wrong with soceity today? How can the left claim that we can "all get along"...if these stupid Muslims can't even learn about the Holocaust, which is not only important to learn because of how terrible it was, but because of how it still effects the world today.


The fact that some muslims are stupid (just like some christians, jews, atheists, hinduists etc)doesn't mean that ALL muslims, or a majority of them, are stupid, too, or that -at least most- muslims cannot "get along" with western society.
Sometimes, generalisation is the first step on the road to genocide.

Of course, history has to be taught completely and without omissions, regardless of what a stupid vocal minority or even a stupid silent majority says. There is ethics in education, or, at least, there should be.

oh i wouldn't be surprised... they have a long standing reputation for making up a lot of their "facts" and twisting stories to incredible lengths to meet their right wing adgenda.

they're a sensationalist, right-wing tabloid pretending to be a real newspaper.

Who is it owned by? It had better not be Murdoch...

then again, pretty much all journalists twist stories, eh? tis their job...

Extreme wing tabloid papers are causing the press to stop being a body to keep check


1.How can people ban language?

Well there were some detained refugees here who decided to perform avoluntry version (sowinglips together).

2.How can you ban history? It's not actually possible. It's already happened.

You can try to eliminate the peoples' knowlege of history to some extent. I agree with history notbeing able to be banned

3.No, we don't want to ban religion. For starters, I'm Christian, secondly, giving people rights (you know, those things left-wingers seem to like more than right-wingers) means giving them the right to worship. Banning religion is rather the opposite.

Organised religion will probably waste in the next century or so, so there is no real need to impose hardcore religion bans (seperation of religion and state withstanding)

4.Would you like to explain to me how you ban morals?

Umm..... teh ebil com... lib.... terrorists have found a way!

Now what the fuck is wrong with soceity today? How can the left claim that we can "all get along"...if these stupid Muslims can't even learn about the Holocaust, which is not only important to learn because of how terrible it was, but because of how it still effects the world today.

Come to think of it, you know what the worst part of your OP is? That you blame the muslims when even the debunked story says that they did nothing wrong.

What this thread teaches me is that a surprising number of posters doesn't read the thread they're posting in. The story was said to be debunked during the first few posts, yet people still kept posting their outrage...

QFMFT. It reminds me of threads with sarcastic titles but no sarcasm in the actual post, but then you read replies and there are people bitching about what they assumed the message was going to be about. I have no respect any of these bastards who clearly didn't even read anywhere furthur than the quote from the Daily Mail.

then again, pretty much all journalists twist stories, eh? tis their job...

No.

Who is it owned by? It had better not be Murdoch...
"Harold Jonathan Esmond Vere Harmsworth, 4th Viscount Rothermere" is the chairman of the company that owns the Daily Mail. It wouldn't surprise me if Murdoch had a share though.


Well there were some detained refugees here who decided to perform avoluntry version (sowinglips together).
That isn't banning language. That's refusing to talk. Two rather different things.

You can try to eliminate the peoples' knowlege of history to some extent. I agree with history notbeing able to be banned
Meh, it's still not banning history, but granted.


Organised religion will probably waste in the next century or so, so there is no real need to impose hardcore religion bans (seperation of religion and state withstanding)
I don't think it will waste away. At least, personally, I hope not. Islam is on the rise (I think) and there are still many, many Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Sikhs, Hindus, and anything else. It would take much more than a century for religion just to die away.

Umm..... teh ebil com... lib.... terrorists have found a way!
Of course they have dear. ;)

Come to think of it, you know what the worst part of your OP is? That you blame the muslims when even the debunked story says that they did nothing wrong.

There's a WORST part of the OP? I thought it was all pretty terrible.

Come to think of it, you know what the worst part of your OP is? That you blame the muslims when even the debunked story says that they did nothing wrong.

Maybe you liked my thread better, where I posited that the teachers were responding illogically and unreasonably to a perceived "Muslim" threat.

Oh, I guess you didn't bother to read that part - just shouted the whole thing down by reflex.

No.

Well. It isn't their job, but a HELL of a lot of journalists do it. It's all about the figures now, not the truth.

I think there should be a rule on nationstates against taking facts from the daily mail, as even my conservative friends agree it's complete bollocks.

Maybe you liked my thread better, where I posited that the teachers were responding illogically and unreasonably to a perceived "Muslim" threat.

Oh, I guess you didn't bother to read that part - just shouted the whole thing down by reflex.

Again. Your source was the Daily Mail (Fail). If you trust that rag people call a newspaper, than I pity you.

I think there should be a rule on nationstates against taking facts from the daily mail, as even my conservative friends agree it's complete bollocks.

Most posters are sensible enough to realise that NOTHING it says is credible anyway.

Maybe you liked my thread better, where I posited that the teachers were responding illogically and unreasonably to a perceived "Muslim" threat.

Oh, I guess you didn't bother to read that part - just shouted the whole thing down by reflex.

Paranoid much?

You are of course free to link to where I supposedly "shouted the whole thing down." But then again, you can't do that, so you fail.

And for the record, I did like your thread better for what it's worth. Now drow the "persecuted little old me" act, mm'kay? You just look stupid doing it.