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It's the age old debate. Star wars or Star Trek. You decide.

But they are both so different

Star Wars. Star Trek is a good series... but then, those near-human pointy-eared, or big-lobed creatures really annoy me.
Star Wars is much more human-friendly, and I always gave my support to the Empire when watching the original movies. And if there would be a war between the Empire and the Federation, the Federation would be blasted to pieces. Star Trek ships suck, as do their crews.

And if there would be a war between the Empire and the Federation, the Federation would be blasted to pieces.

I dunno about that - if you consider that the screenplay is either going to be written by George Lucas or a Gene Rodenberryite. If the former, then some young hero is going to arise from within the evil Empire to save the Federation, probably uniting the Borg, the Klingons, and the Vulcans on the way, and if the latter, then Picard is going to find a moral and equitable diplomatic solution before much blasting takes place ;)

I dunno about that - if you consider that the screenplay is either going to be written by George Lucas or a Gene Rodenberryite. If the former, then some young hero is going to arise from within the evil Empire to save the Federation, probably uniting the Borg, the Klingons, and the Vulcans on the way, and if the latter, then Picard is going to find a moral and equitable diplomatic solution before much blasting takes place ;)

Roddenberry is long dead, so if either of these 2 guys would do the screenpaly, then it would be Lucas.

Roddenberry is long dead, so if either of these 2 guys would do the screenpaly, then it would be Lucas.

my word was RodenberryITE, if you read my post properly :P

while star wars is superficially more entertaining, star trek has a more preferable concept for the future

Nothing with Jar Jar Binks in it can get my vote.

while star wars is superficially more entertaining, star trek has a more preferable concept for the future

This may be off topic but Serenity/ Firefly is the more realistic version of our Future :) That being said though, I enjoy both Star Wars and Star trek. Star Wars, is a fun movie with tons of laser blasts, and battles, and mythic heroes, where Star Trek is a show about preaching morality of the future, within a total Socialist society, with humans that act nothing like humans today. Unless you count the show Enterprise, that was a great Star Trek. Humans not minding killing, drinking beer in a bar, eating pizza while watching a movie, and minimum technobabble. In the end, they really are too different to compare.

/rant off

while star wars is superficially more entertaining, star trek has a more preferable concept for the future

The future? Eh? What are the first four words in the first Star Wars movie?

Depends on which era of each.

For instance DS9 kicks the new Wars trilogy's ass so badly it's not even a competition. Voyager however would lose to ANH. Enterprise is just lose incarnate.

This may be off topic but Serenity/ Firefly is the more realistic version of our Future :)

it's really interesting that you say that. I love Firefly, and I think I see what you mean. The ships, towns, and planets aren't orderly and shiny and sanitised like most of Star Trek - they are grubby and lawless and frequently falling apart. Firefly treats space like the 'real' [American] frontier, the wild west - the only problem with that is that westerns are also presenting an fantasy of the frontier. They aren't presenting a *real* past. Firefly, as basically a western, is really presenting a fantasy of the past as the future, and I'd argue that's exactly what makes it so damn cool B)

Myrth FTW!

All those Star Trek vs Star Wars discussions have been caused by inferiority complex of trek and wars fans, that is caused pure awesomeness of Babylon 5 .:p

Star Wreck!

hemm... I mean Star Wars.

let's see. Starwars.
Galaxy spanning civilizations with countless aliens species fighting/cooperating. Technology is slow to improve, bad guys are human + aliens. good guys humans + aliens.
Good guys don't necessarily win

Star Trek. Everyone on the ships are bloody geniuses. Able to watch a whole new type of alien technology and either duplicate it themselves or find a counter-measure in hours/days.
Humans are just so cute and fuzzy! everyone wants to join their club.
Able to develop weapons and destroy planets, literaly rip them apart!, yet fit in your pocket, destroy entire atmospheres, or blow up stars. Yet during major/catclysmic wars no-one uses them.
Humans have only been in space 300 odd years yet everyone is more or less on par when it comes to technology.
90% or all federation personal seem to come from earth, and more specifically the former USA.

Most aliens look just like humans with pointed ears or something minor..

Since a lot of my fiction is theoretically based on Star Wars, I'm going to have to do with that.

Besides, SW has better aliens.

ST, SW, B5, Serenity, Farscape, they are all so different, and yet the same. Chances are we'll all kill each other before we learn how to travel to the stars. I think It may be more like Stargate, where some benevolent species teaches it to us but our governments keep it a secret. How's that for cynical?

But I voted for Trek. I imagine I would enjoy living in that world most of all of them. :)

The future? Eh? What are the first four words in the first Star Wars movie?

Score! :cool:

Battlestar Galactica FTW

You want real alien aliens, you gotta go with Farscape.

Star Wars is too overblown and weighed down with symbolism and crappy stereotypes (why did the Trade Federation sound Asian, Watto sounded like an Italian Jew and Jar Jar like the Caribbean rapper Shaggy on helium?)

Star Trek is far too cute/convenient. Whenever something unknown threatens the Enterprise or DS9 or whatever, some plucky engineer re-routes the plasma coils and adjusts the deflector dish to emit a graviton beam and POOF, problem solved. Way too preachy, too.

That said, Deep Space Nine is easily in the top five of all Sci-Fi writing/execution.

SPACE-RELATED SCI-FI

TV

Farscape
Firefly
Battlestar Galactica (nouveau)
Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
Babylon 5

Honorable Mention: Cowboy Bebop (long as we're talking dystopic...plus, best soundtrack)

MOVIES

Star Wars Episodes IV-VI for the achievement alone...
Serenity
2001: A Space Odyssey
Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
Dune

BOOKS

Ender's Game
The Foundation triology (Asimov)
Starship Troopers (screw the movie)
The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy series

Battlestar Galactica FTW

Quoted for truth, unless you are talking about the original or 1980 :)

Battlestar Galactica FTW

Battlestar Galactica is no Blake's 7.

Between those 2, Star Wars.

A replicating device that can make anything you want? Scarce resources pwn j00!

Foundation beats every other sci-fi novel. Mankind's only hope for survival is to develop/join a hive mind. Finally, a way to make communism work. :p

Battlestar Galactica is no Blake's 7.

I freakin' loved Blake's 7! :D

Foundation beats every other sci-fi novel. Mankind's only hope for survival is to develop/join a hive mind. Finally, a way to make communism work. :p

Okay, Pinko Rabid Penguin... :p

I wonder why Star Wars holds a rather larger numbers of female supporters in comparison to Star Trek...

Cluitch, no more Lando pictures following this post. It is not a rational explanation to my doubts.

Well, it's completely obvious.

http://www.ladyofthecake.com/mel/space/images/pizzahut.jpg

Star Wars FTW.

Well, it's completely obvious.

http://www.ladyofthecake.com/mel/space/images/pizzahut.jpg

You win the thread.

You win the thread.

Yay! My first thread win! :fluffle:

Star Wars.

Why?

In Star Wars canon*, there's only six movies to keep track of, and two of them are entirely superfluous, whilst Star Trek canon is populated by multiple television series and movies, with all sorts of crossovers and contradictions throughout.

*Books are not canon, in my point of view. Almost all of them suck horribly.

Cluitch, no more Lando pictures following this post. It is not a rational explanation to my doubts.

Works everytime. ;)

http://www.djknockout.iwarp.com/LandoLakes.JPG

Works everytime. ;)

http://www.djknockout.iwarp.com/LandoLakes.JPG

PLEASE UPGRADE YOUR ACCOUNT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5ecfuj2LFw

Star Trek.

Star Trek ... original series, and the first four movies.

The remainder of Star Trek is proof that Gene is Dead.

Star Trek, I prefer sci-fi over fantasy.

Wow, I started this thread about three hours ago and look how fast it's grown! ;) I'll try to remain neutral since i like both series.

Not this again. You know we should just agree that trying to give a "what if" to SW universe meeting ST universe is simply impossible as they are so different that trying to guess who would win just can't be done.

Wow, I started this thread about three hours ago and look how fast it's grown! ;) I'll try to remain neutral since i like both series.

No. You must choose. Choose wisely.

Not this again. You know we should just agree that trying to give a "what if" to SW universe meeting ST universe is simply impossible as they are so different that trying to guess who would win just can't be done.

I thought this thread was about which series we prefer...

I thought this thread was about which series we prefer...

I'm trying to do a preemptive strike. When the thread ages it will inevitably descend to that so that one can prove that their choice is the superior universe.

I'm trying to do a preemptive strike. When the thread ages it will inevitably descend to that so that one can prove that their choice is the superior universe.

Ah. Well, in that case, I concur with your statement. :)

That's why I posted my link early, Utracia, so that it would nip the Versus debate in the bud.

Annoying things about Star Trek: Technobabble, "lumpy forehead of the week" aliens, brightly colored Spandex uniforms, Wesley Crusher, the first movie, the fifth movie, continuity errors, William Shatner, artificial gravity keeps working even when ships lose power, ANY two species can interbreed...

Annoying things about Star Wars: claymation, clips that got recycled for the assault on the first Death Star, parsecs mentioned as if they were a unit of time, the Milennium Falcon obviously going WAY faster than ".5 past lightspeed", muppet Yoda, Leia kissing her brother, ewoks, too much CGI, Natalie Portman's acting, Anakin in Episode 1, Jar-Jar in Episode 1, Episode 1 in general...

Annoying things about Star Trek: Technobabble,

You know, if you evaluate Star Trek and compare it to many other shows, you'll see that the amount of Treknobabble is actually comprable to the amount of jargon in various other shows. Take E.R., for instance; the amount of medical jargon tossed around in E.R. is astounding. Same thing for legal jargon in most shows such as Law and Order. It's just more noticeable because a large portion of it is made up versus real jargon in the other instances.

That said, I definitely found it annoying as well in many cases, especially the later Voyager episodes and most of Enterprise.

That's why I posted my link early, Utracia, so that it would nip the Versus debate in the bud.

Ah. I must admit that I didn't open the link.

*goes to do so*

Star Trek actually had intelligent writing instead of being a predictable soap opera with plain old good vs. evil.

Star Trek also tackled social issues no one else would touch.

Star Wars.

Why?

In Star Wars canon*, there's only six movies to keep track of, and two of them are entirely superfluous, whilst Star Trek canon is populated by multiple television series and movies, with all sorts of crossovers and contradictions throughout.

*Books are not canon, in my point of view. Almost all of them suck horribly.

Read Shadow of the Empire or Timothy Zahn's Thrawn trilogy and you might think twice about even the "almost" part of the books sucking. :)

Annoying things about Star Trek: Technobabble, "lumpy forehead of the week" aliens, brightly colored Spandex uniforms, Wesley Crusher, the first movie, the fifth movie, continuity errors, William Shatner, artificial gravity keeps working even when ships lose power, ANY two species can interbreed...

Annoying things about Star Wars: claymation, clips that got recycled for the assault on the first Death Star, parsecs mentioned as if they were a unit of time, the Milennium Falcon obviously going WAY faster than ".5 past lightspeed", muppet Yoda, Leia kissing her brother, ewoks, too much CGI, Natalie Portman's acting, Anakin in Episode 1, Jar-Jar in Episode 1, Episode 1 in general...

Notable line from Star Trek: "The line must be drawn HERE! This far, no farther!"

Notable line from Star Wars: "Power! UNLIMITED POWER!!!" *evil cackling*

Hmmm...

I give my nod to Trek, for the sole reason that Star Wars doesn't have any chicks who are as hot as Seven of Nine :)

Good GOD!!!!11SHIFT+1 WHY?!?! WHY GOD?!?! WHY?!?!?

Must you keep bringing this up?

Besides, TNG Borg would pwn all.

Besides, TNG Borg would pwn all.

Voyager Borg would pwn TNG Borg.

Star Trek!!!!!!

Definitely Star Trek. The cutesy aliens (Ewoks, Jar Jar Binks, etc) in Star Wars make my teeth ache. The aliens in Star Trek may not be cute, but some are definitely sexy.

Definitely Star Trek. The cutesy aliens (Ewoks, Jar Jar Binks, etc) in Star Wars make my teeth ache. The aliens in Star Trek may not be cute, but some are definitely sexy.

ST aliens are ok but there are no really badass aliens like the one's out of Alien

Jesus, reading these last few posts i've realized how many options i've left out.

Read Shadow of the Empire or Timothy Zahn's Thrawn trilogy and you might think twice about even the "almost" part of the books sucking. :)

fun trilogy that one.

what this guy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5ecfuj2LFw) says.

i don't give a shit which would "win" in a battle, or which tech is better. ST is just a better story with far more depth, and - what actually matters most - i enjoy it more.

You know, if you evaluate Star Trek and compare it to many other shows, you'll see that the amount of Treknobabble is actually comprable to the amount of jargon in various other shows. Take E.R., for instance; the amount of medical jargon tossed around in E.R. is astounding. Same thing for legal jargon in most shows such as Law and Order. It's just more noticeable because a large portion of it is made up versus real jargon in the other instances.

That said, I definitely found it annoying as well in many cases, especially the later Voyager episodes and most of Enterprise.

i like the technobabble in star trek. for me it makes it a lot more believable - i like knowing how things work, even if its fictional, and piecing that together in my head.

actually, more importantly, i hate *not* knowing how things work (like Farscape... fucking organic ship my ass)

(like Farscape... fucking organic ship my ass)

when did that ship had time to have sex

while star wars is superficially more entertaining, star trek has a more preferable concept for the future

umm....Star Wars is "Long Long ago in a Galaxy Far Far Away"

its not Earth in the future