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Does nobody else think the growing number of uneducated thugs carrying guns (as evidenced by the picture above) is worrying?

I hope you don't mean the police are the thugs... :confused:

Did police in England not carry guns before?

Me? Criticise our boys in blue? Never! What an assault on my character!

That's the Eastside Fuzz.

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Does nobody else think the growing number of uneducated thugs carrying guns (as evidenced by the picture above) is worrying?

England is engaged on a war against terror, and has managed to stop major terrorist attacks mainly by luck and so when they arm themselves with guns to stop nutjob terrorists from blowing up town square you wine that they are being gangsters. Well you are certainly grateful for the care and protection your government gives you! :mad:

England is engaged on a war against terror, and has managed to stop major terrorist attacks mainly by luck and so when they arm themselves with guns to stop nutjob terrorists from blowing up town square you wine that they are being gangsters. Well you are certainly grateful for the care and protection your government gives you! :mad:

This is your government.

We love you and care about you.

P.S.

Don't do anything we wouldn't do.

it is a shame to see the expansion of these gangs into other countries - it is bad enough that they have taken control of large areas over here.

This is your government.

We love you and care about you.

P.S.

Don't do anything we wouldn't do.

Like terrorists haven't tried to attack England as well, you expect Britain to sit there and take the beating? And I'll have you know that I wish I was born in England rather than America.

Like terrorists haven't tried to attack England as well, you expect Britain to sit there and take the beating? And I'll have you know that I wish I was born in England rather than America.

The government is there to help you. It always has your best interests in mind. Trust your government. :)

I'm curious as to why they're walking around with MP5s, and what neighborhood that's in. If they're just the normal police division they might want to stick to pistols and shotguns. MP5s are a bit much, unless the crime is just that heavy.

I'm curious as to why they're walking around with MP5s, and what neighborhood that's in. If they're just the normal police division they might want to stick to pistols and shotguns. MP5s are a bit much, unless the crime is just that heavy.

Your government wishes to advise you that precaution is the best means of prevention.

Policemen with submachineguns ensure a safer, fairer, happer and more productive society.

If you do nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear.

The government is there to help you. It always has your best interests in mind. Trust your government. :)

Not in America, they only care for $$$$$$$$$$ :(

I'm curious as to why they're walking around with MP5s, and what neighborhood that's in. If they're just the normal police division they might want to stick to pistols and shotguns. MP5s are a bit much, unless the crime is just that heavy.

but they not a normal police division

Does nobody else think the growing number of uneducated thugs carrying guns (as evidenced by the picture above) is worrying?

No. Any other dumb questions?

I think that pic was taken when there had been series of killings in London. They had armed patrols going around for a bit after that to deter any more gun crime or the like. Perfectly justified

Your government wishes to advise you that precaution is the best means of prevention.

Policemen with submachineguns ensure a safer, fairer, happer and more productive society.

If you do nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear.

Haha...okay, Kanabia, enough with the sarcasm.

Imperial isa: In that case I'm sure they have a good reason for possessing MP5s, and I doubt they're going to turn into evil secret Gestapo-style police.

*Giggles at OP's pic*
*Also giggles at Kanabia taking the mickey*

Did police in England not carry guns before?

Almost all police in Britain don't carry guns. The picture is probably an Armed Response Unit or something.

As far as I know, Kanabia, their MP5s aren't automatic. Which might mean they're not technically SMGs. Or it might not. Somebody who knows/looks at wikipedia will hopefully clear this up :)

Did police in England not carry guns before?

not much. only in risky places, like airports and some of the worst neighbourhoods. i've never seen a policeman with a gun bar in london, actually.

The government is there to help you. It always has your best interests in mind. Trust your government. :)
This coming from a member of the economic left.

Ah, so the police are now a gang of ebil thugs, eh?

Ah, so the police are now a gang of ebil thugs, eh?

No he is maybe one of them, the gangs are teh ebil! He's mad because the police have mp5s and now he cannot continue teh ebils he likes because then the police would shoot him.

Ah, so the police are now a gang of ebil thugs, eh?
I'd rather say that gangs are governments with less effective propaganda machines, but whatever suits ye.

Imperial isa: In that case I'm sure they have a good reason for possessing MP5s, and I doubt they're going to turn into evil secret Gestapo-style police.

don't know why they are carrying MP5s
but i do know i can't recall the name of the division that have guns

IIRC, London police have had access to MP5s for some time now.

They just aren't carrying them around all the time.

I seriously doubt if even today, London police are carrying guns with the frequency that you see police in the US with guns.

not much. only in risky places, like airports and some of the worst neighbourhoods. i've never seen a policeman with a gun bar in london, actually.

I see armed police all the time in london. But then most the time Im in london im on a march of some description. And as we all know, armed police + crowds = nothing but positives.

I seriously doubt if even today, London police are carrying guns with the frequency that you see police in the US with guns.

You wouldn't. Policemen/women have to have special permission to take out guns, and the situation has to be really dire for them to be needed.

*Giggles at OP's pic*
*Also giggles at Kanabia taking the mickey*



Almost all police in Britain don't carry guns. The picture is probably an Armed Response Unit or something.

As far as I know, Kanabia, their MP5s aren't automatic. Which might mean they're not technically SMGs. Or it might not. Somebody who knows/looks at wikipedia will hopefully clear this up :)

CO19 i guess it would be them and they are carrying at a guess MP5A3s

CO19 i guess it would be them and they are carrying at a guess MP5A3s

Here come the gun boffs! :) Does it really matter what kind of gun they're carrying?

I'd rather say that gangs are governments with less effective propaganda machines, but whatever suits ye.

True but to call the British police to be a gang is an insult to actual gangs.

Here come the gun boffs! :) Does it really matter what kind of gun they're carrying?

it was so people can look it up themself

Did police in England not carry guns before?

Not really, only special forces really. Patrolling police officers hardly ever carry guns unless they are in areas that have criminals with guns. I've never seen a police officer with a gun in the U.K.

CO19 i guess it would be them and they are carrying at a guess MP5A3s

Wikipedia says there's a single-fire version of the MP5A3, so you could very well be right.

Wikipedia says there's a single-fire version of the MP5A3, so you could very well be right.

they more likely carrying the stand version as units like that never know what may happen on a job

They hardly ever just walk around with mp5's like this, it's only on rare occasion.

Not really, only special forces really. Patrolling police officers hardly ever carry guns unless they are in areas that have criminals with guns. I've never seen a police officer with a gun in the U.K.

You've never been to Northern Ireland then. All police here are routinely armed:

Unlike the majority of Police Forces in the United Kingdom, the PSNI is the only service that patrols an entire regional area routinely armed. With the reduction of terrorist threats, officers are issued with Ruger Security Six Revolvers and some have been issued GLOCK 17 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GLOCK_17) semi-automatic pistols. Previously they frequently carried long arms either the Heckler & Koch MP5 sub-machine gun or rifles such as Heckler & Koch G3s or HK33s as well as Ruger Mini-14 select fire rifles.
(Wiki)

So, yeah, MP5s were previously standard issue in NI, and a revolver still is.

They once Carried Swords in the early days of the force

Hmmm. Interesting. I've never seen a police officer over here in the US without a gun. :p

Two words.

Bowler hat.

Like terrorists haven't tried to attack England as well, you expect Britain to sit there and take the beating? And I'll have you know that I wish I was born in England rather than America.

First you "wine"(sic) about someone not loving his government and police enough, and then you "wine"(sic) that you wish you could have been born in another country?

Is it that england doesnt have lunch-recess ninja wars between the Atheist Secret Falcon Army and the Teen Christian Cross Brigades?


Maybe since the US is more hated by terrorists, our police should drive around in tanks, so that if they "see terrorists they can blow them up," or whatever it is that you meant to imply by saying the british police need machine guns so that they can 'protect against terrorism.'


Get a grip

If there wasn't such an increase in gun crime the police wouldn't need to carry guns around. They never used to. If you're going to whine about police carrying guns, blame the criminals.

Funny, I thought gun control would have had the opposite effect. :confused:


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This coming from a member of the economic left.

Of course; all left-wingers are in favour of monolithic governments controlling all aspects of society.

Of course; all left-wingers are in favour of monolithic governments controlling all aspects of society.I thought, all right-wingers are in favour of monolithic governments controlling all aspects of society.

Meh, next time your house and/or apartment gets broken into don't call the police.

I thought, all right-wingers are in favour of monolithic governments controlling all aspects of society.

Some are. Namely, Busheviks.

Meh, next time your house and/or apartment gets broken into don't call the police.

So it's either

a) Support police patrolling around with Mp5's

or

b) Don't even call the police if there's a crime.

All or nothing. Either with us or against us. Support landmines killing children, or you hate freedom!

So it's either

a) Support police patrolling around with Mp5's

or

b) Don't even call the police if there's a crime.

All or nothing. Either with us or against us. Support landmines killing children, or you hate freedom!
Not at all. I merely resent police being equated to gang members.
Dhomme is one of those communists who beleives that the police are exclusively out to oppress us, and I find that attitude silly.

In any case, in a normal situation, police shouldn't have Mp5's, not in Britain anyway.

Not at all. I merely resent police being equated to gang members.

I don't see why. In many ways they are alike.


Dhomme is one of those communists who beleives that the police are exclusively out to oppress us, and I find that attitude silly.

In any case, in a normal situation, police shouldn't have Mp5's, not in Britain anyway.

Of course it's silly. They are not EXCLUSIVELY out to oppress us. They have other goals too. It's just that's one they happen to be good at. And if Dhomme and I agree on this, then perhaps that's a sign that it's right, because I'm about as anti-communist as one could be.

Meh, next time your house and/or apartment gets broken into don't call the police.

Regardless of the "State-controlled armed opressors"/"Freedom-protecting, crime-fighting heroes" argument, the only reason you'd bother to do this is if you had Home Contents Insurance; you can't claim without a crime number.

I'm curious as to why they're walking around with MP5s, and what neighborhood that's in. If they're just the normal police division they might want to stick to pistols and shotguns. MP5s are a bit much, unless the crime is just that heavy.The police have had these guns for ages. They are, however, not a normal police division. Such weapons only tend to be used in special situations. It still freaks me out to see police walking around with submachine guns though.

It's not like they'd help in combating terrorism either. If you're at the point where you are trying to shoot the people attempting to perpetrate the act then you are probably too late. And why a submachine gun would be of more use than a semi-automatic is beyond me.

The best operations use as little force as possible. Surveilance of suspects, and morning raids on houses and the like are more effective. Having a shootout is not.

So far armed police have managed to shoot one innocent man dead, and didn't manage to stop the terrorist attack on July 7th (I will never call it 7/7 - I just consider that a perversion and dehumanising).

We are told that a number of terrorists have been stopped, but since there hasn't been a successful prosecution under any of the terrorism acts I call bullshit.

So far armed police have managed to shoot one innocent man dead, and didn't manage to stop the terrorist attack on July 7th (I will never call it 7/7 - I just consider that a perversion and dehumanising).


They also shot an innocent man in the arm during a raid, then after thoroughly embarassing themselves alleged child porn offences which were also shown to be false.

Dhomme is one of those communists who beleives that the police are exclusively out to oppress us


No i dont. What a gross misrepresentation and generalisation of communist beliefs.

edit:
They also shot an innocent man in the arm during a raid, then after thoroughly embarassing themselves alleged child porn offences which were also shown to be false.
let's not forget the whole "shoot people carrying table legs" incident.

So it's either

a) Support police patrolling around with Mp5's

or

b) Don't even call the police if there's a crime.

All or nothing. Either with us or against us. Support landmines killing children, or you hate freedom!

Heh yeah and if that crime is burlgary, then you may well not botther calling the police, what with their fantastic rate of capture.

Not at all. I merely resent police being equated to gang members.
Dhomme is one of those communists who beleives that the police are exclusively out to oppress us, and I find that attitude silly.

In any case, in a normal situation, police shouldn't have Mp5's, not in Britain anyway.


Or perhaps he is a normal citerzen that has suffered oppresion at the hannds of the police? what's that you say, don't happen? bwhahahahha.

Heh yeah and if that crime is burlgary, then you may well not botther calling the police, what with their fantastic rate of capture.


wait a sec; i fuckin hate all this fashionable police bashing in this country. sometimes all a situation needs is an officer to be present and everything calms down. our armed police are the best trained on earth and have to take regular psyche tests to make sure they should still be allowed to have guns. they fail the test just once and its no more weapons.

i dont like the way the country is in general either, i was burgled once and no one was caught, i was caught in a hit and run, same thing. but it isnt the fault of an underfunded police force who arent allowed a union and can never strike against the conditions they work in. trust me they would like to do more but for that to happen we need more of them.

to get more of them we need less police bashin dicks who dont realise its government funding and misdirected taxes that are the problem. picture britain without police.. what the the army? marshall law? yeah lets make it a dictatorship.

you fashion socialists bore me. the spirit of revolution is gone. we dont stick up for ourselves anymore and all people do is bitch at the one service that is there above and beyond to protect us. if you dont like the police join them. see if you can change things from the inside out.

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Does nobody else think the growing number of uneducated thugs carrying guns (as evidenced by the picture above) is worrying?

read my above point and i'll add this

would you prefer only the criminals to have guns?

People need to stop quoting the page breaking picture.

wait a sec; i fuckin hate all this fashionable police bashing in this country. sometimes all a situation needs is an officer to be present and everything calms down. our armed police are the best trained on earth and have to take regular psyche tests to make sure they should still be allowed to have guns. they fail the test just once and its no more weapons.

i dont like the way the country is in general either, i was burgled once and no one was caught, i was caught in a hit and run, same thing. but it isnt the fault of an underfunded police force who arent allowed a union and can never strike against the conditions they work in. trust me they would like to do more but for that to happen we need more of them.

to get more of them we need less police bashin dicks who dont realise its government funding and misdirected taxes that are the problem. picture britain without police.. what the the army? marshall law? yeah lets make it a dictatorship.

you fashion socialists bore me. the spirit of revolution is gone. we dont stick up for ourselves anymore and all people do is bitch at the one service that is there above and beyond to protect us. if you dont like the police join them. see if you can change things from the inside out.

rant concluded.



Ahhh chill out man. The police need bashing, I bash not out of some solicist concern, but for two reasons. The police force are mostly made up of unthinking, racist, bigoted motherfuckers. Now that is no more than the truth.

They are quite crap at their jobs, and they do spend more time tnan is nesicary on oppresing thouse who don't need it, and less time chasing and catching criminals.

Nowhere there do i say we don't need em, but decades of shit from them takes it toll.

to get more of them we need less police bashin dicks who dont realise its government funding and misdirected taxes that are the problem. picture britain without police.. what the the army? marshall law? yeah lets make it a dictatorship.

you fashion socialists bore me. the spirit of revolution is gone. we dont stick up for ourselves anymore and all people do is bitch at the one service that is there above and beyond to protect us. if you dont like the police join them. see if you can change things from the inside out.

Yeah, how dare we complain about an expensive public "service", whose funding is increased every year, not actually bothering to do their jobs?
How dare we complain that burglaries aren't investigated - aren't, in fact, worth reporting, because it just wastes your time talking to a completely indifferent officer?
Never mind that if they should, accidentally, catch a thief or burglar, and the criminal is convicted, he's just let out to do it again.

"We don't stick up for ourselves" - No. This is one area that the police do excell at. Whenever somebody has the audacity to try and protect themselves or their property, they are inevitably arrested. We can't have the poor criminals being hurt, can we? They're only trying to earn a living. Besides, it's much easier and less dangerous to arrest people for defending themselves than it is to go out and find criminals, isn't it? A far better use of police time.

All hail the boys in blue!

You have to wonder the logic. If crime is so bad that the police need to carry guns, then why can't the common citizens who crimes are actually committed against carry guns?

You have to wonder the logic. If crime is so bad that the police need to carry guns, then why can't the common citizens who crimes are actually committed against carry guns?

The problem here is that you're expecting logic to be used when deciding on government policies.

You have to wonder the logic. If crime is so bad that the police need to carry guns, then why can't the common citizens who crimes are actually committed against carry guns?
If the world is such a dangerous place the military needs tanks and aircraft, why can't the common citizens who will suffer most in a war get tanks and aircraft for their private use, eh? :rolleyes:

You have to wonder the logic. If crime is so bad that the police need to carry guns, then why can't the common citizens who crimes are actually committed against carry guns?

The number of criminals with guns, and the number of crimes in which guns are used, is actually really small... Just another fnord, like the omnipresent terrorists and paedophiles. Seeing heavily armed police probably helps to keep people nice and scared, too ("The police need guns, it must be really bad!").

Besides, even when they were legal here not many people had guns; there's a Wikipedia article on British gun laws (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_United_Kingdom), if you want some info.

i like the guns :P

Meh, next time your house and/or apartment gets broken into don't call the police.

My sentiments exactly.

Does nobody else think the growing number of uneducated thugs carrying guns (as evidenced by the picture above) is worrying?

Don't worry, mate. The chavs will soon take care of them :p

Or, the police could be completely unequipped to deal with crime. What would you rather have?

Regardless of the "State-controlled armed opressors"/"Freedom-protecting, crime-fighting heroes" argument, the only reason you'd bother to do this is if you had Home Contents Insurance; you can't claim without a crime number.Really?

How dare we complain that burglaries aren't investigated - aren't, in fact, worth reporting, because it just wastes your time talking to a completely indifferent officer?Oh, that explains it.

Wow, the police over there are worse than over here, aren't they?
That's a scary thought.

Coming from a family full of the filth, I reckon that the police are bigger criminals than your average citizens. It's interesting, but exposure to so many levels of criminality allows black market movement of hooky goods within the force. However, I disagree with the sentiment that our police force is deliberately thuggish, brutal and power-corrupted. I don't like some of the recent reforms regarding police powers, but I'm still of the opinion that they're just people doing a difficult job. Being a police officer immediately brings a level of hatred that, quite often, it completely undeserved and shows a greater level of prejudice amongst the general population as that reported within the force. I fucking hate policemen and I'm related to some of them.

Ahhh chill out man. The police need bashing, I bash not out of some solicist concern, but for two reasons. The police force are mostly made up of unthinking, racist, bigoted motherfuckers. Now that is no more than the truth.

They are quite crap at their jobs, and they do spend more time tnan is nesicary on oppresing thouse who don't need it, and less time chasing and catching criminals.

Nowhere there do i say we don't need em, but decades of shit from them takes it toll.

this is just fashionable pig ignorance (get it ). how many police persons do you speak to about these problems. do you know what the root of the problems are?




Yeah, how dare we complain about an expensive public "service", whose funding is increased every year, not actually bothering to do their jobs?
How dare we complain that burglaries aren't investigated - aren't, in fact, worth reporting, because it just wastes your time talking to a completely indifferent officer?
Never mind that if they should, accidentally, catch a thief or burglar, and the criminal is convicted, he's just let out to do it again.

"We don't stick up for ourselves" - No. This is one area that the police do excell at. Whenever somebody has the audacity to try and protect themselves or their property, they are inevitably arrested. We can't have the poor criminals being hurt, can we? They're only trying to earn a living. Besides, it's much easier and less dangerous to arrest people for defending themselves than it is to go out and find criminals, isn't it? A far better use of police time.

All hail the boys in blue!


and as i said earlier the police are badly funded, taxes are misdirected and they have no union. believe me they want things to be different to how they are but expensive as you think they are we need more of them. if there were more then the smaller crimes could be worked on too. police though dont control there own numbers thats the government and to a certain extent you. if people campained more on behalf of the police then political parties would be forced into doing something about it.

heres the thing the average police officer is just an average person. there are racist police as there are racist bankers, builders and nurses. the police are there for us but we are never there for them mainly because we choose not to realise that they are part of us. they are our sisters, our friends and our in laws.

there are many laws in britain that i dont agree with, but the police dont make the law, they attempt to uphold it.

If the world is such a dangerous place the military needs tanks and aircraft, why can't the common citizens who will suffer most in a war get tanks and aircraft for their private use, eh? :rolleyes:

Because the use of tanks and aircraft requires intensive, highly expensive, specialized education and training.