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HOUSE # 1:


A 20-room mansion (not including 8 bathrooms) heated by natural gas. Add on a pool (and a pool house) and a separate guest house all heated by gas. In ONE MONTH ALONE this mansion consumes more energy than the average American household in an ENTIRE YEAR. The average bill for electricity and natural gas runs over $2,400.00 per month. In natural gas alone (which last time we checked was a fossil fuel), this property consumes more than 20 times the national average for an American home. This house is not in a northern or Midwestern "snow belt," either. It's in the South.


HOUSE # 2:

Designed by an architecture professor at a leading national university, this house incorporates every "green" feature current home construction can
provide. The house contains only 4,000 square feet (4 bedrooms) and is nestled on arid high prairie in the American southwest. A central closet in the house holds geothermal heat pumps drawing ground water through pipes sunk 300 feet into the ground. The water (usually 67 degrees F.) heats the house in winter and cools it in summer. The system uses no fossil fuels such as oil or natural gas, and it consumes 25% of the electricity required for a conventional heating/cooling system. Rainwater from the roof is collected and funneled into a 25,000 gallon underground cistern. Wastewater from showers, sinks and toilets goes into underground purifying tanks and then into the cistern. The collected water then irrigates the land surrounding the house. Flowers and shrubs native to the area blend the property into the surrounding rural landscape.

Let me guess, House 1 is Al Gore's.

http://www.bjacked.net/LuvToHunt/forums/phpBB2/modules/gallery/albums/album01/Beat_Dead_Horse.jpg

Let me guess, House 1 is Al Gore's.

http://www.bjacked.net/LuvToHunt/forums/phpBB2/modules/gallery/albums/album01/Beat_Dead_Horse.jpgMy first thought, too, but I'm pretty sure he's going for the "it's in the arid Southwest drawing groundwater, hence it's more evil" angle with the second one. Everything else would just be too obvious. Of course how that makes it more evil than the first one, I wouldn't know.

Edit: Then again, maybe you're right and the big punchline is that the second one belongs to some Republican who's famously disbelieving of human caused climate change or some such.

No doubt House 1 is Al Gore's.

http://www.bjacked.net/LuvToHunt/forums/phpBB2/modules/gallery/albums/album01/Beat_Dead_Horse.jpg

Forgetting he runs an office in his house. . .

Let me guess, House 1 is Al Gore's.

http://www.bjacked.net/LuvToHunt/forums/phpBB2/modules/gallery/albums/album01/Beat_Dead_Horse.jpg

And house 2 belongs to?

And house 2 belongs to?

Charles MuslimHater the II, republican party stalwart and arch enemy of free healthcare across all 50 odd states?

And house 2 belongs to?

Dick Cheney.

And house 2 belongs to?

more importantly, who cares?

And house 2 belongs to?

Prolly someone like the CEO of Exxon or the head of the Church of Satan, right?

Dick Cheney.

Actually, it's the Bush Ranch in Crawford, Texas.

Actually, it's the Bush Ranch in Crawford, Texas.

And he doesn't believe in global warming, yet. . .

And he doesn't believe in global warming, yet. . .

Apparently, if lifestyle is to show anything, neither does Gore, except as a means to make money.

Actually, it's the Bush Ranch in Crawford, Texas.

Wow. I guess you've been right about everything all along. How stupid we were to question.

Christ. Do you think this proves anything about...anything? Having a relatively environmentally friendly house hardly even begins to make up for every other environmental policy of Bush and his Republican fuckbuddies. When they wise up and actually try to do something about the environment, then maybe you'll be on to something.

Now, when is the valid point going to come along?

Actually, it's the Bush Ranch in Crawford, Texas.

Nevermind the fact that Bush flies around in his own 747 and refused to sign the Kyoto Protocol.

Nevermind the fact that Bush flies around in his own 747 and refused to sign the Kyoto Protocol.

Air Force One is not "his own 747".

Might as well say Clinton and Gore flew around in the same plane. :fluffle:

Air Force One is not "his own 747".

Might as well say Clinton and Gore flew around in the same plane. :fluffle:

But notice you have nothing to say about the actual environmental policies, which affect way more than their personal homes ever could...

Wow. I guess you've been right about everything all along. How stupid we were to question.

Christ. Do you think this proves anything about...anything? Having a relatively environmentally friendly house hardly even begins to make up for every other environmental policy of Bush and his Republican fuckbuddies. When they wise up and actually try to do something about the environment, then maybe you'll be on to something.

Now, when is the valid point going to come along?

I'll repost, so you don't have to go back one post to get it:

Apparently, if lifestyle is to show anything, neither does Gore, except as a means to make money.

I'll repost, so you don't have to go back one post to get it:

Apparently, if lifestyle is to show anything, neither does Gore, except as a means to make money.

Yeah, read it the first time. It wasn't a good point then, either.

Yeah, read it the first time. It wasn't a good point then, either.

Just because it sticks in your eye, doesn't mean it's not a good point.

Just because it sticks in your eye, doesn't mean it's not a good point.

Apparently you missed the part about not signing the Kyoto protocols.

Just because it sticks in your eye, doesn't mean it's not a good point.

My eyes are clear, thanks.

Now, what would be a good point is if you actually had something to say about Bush not signing Kyoto, or any of the other environmental policy fuckups. Or do you actually think this house thing makes any difference, in any way? Because, sorry, I'm not buying it.

But of course, if you had any other ammo against the dems, or any way to back up Bush and his cronies, I imagine you would have posted it by now, huh?

Make a real point, or just stop bothering. Jolt has enough server problems without you cluttering it with nonsense.

on the information provided, the second house appears to be more environmentally friendly. but then i wouldn't trust the OP as far as i could throw him to provide accurate, unbiased, objectively gathered information.

so i'll revise my first sentence: of these two fictional houses the second is perhaps the most environmentally friendly, not considering other factors which may mitigate or exacerbate the environmental impacts directly or indirectly associated with their use.

Apparently you missed the part about not signing the Kyoto protocols.

He didn't miss it, he consciously ignored it. There's a difference.

Just because it sticks in your eye, doesn't mean it's not a good point.

So what if Gore's a hypocrite, how does that invalidate Global Warming? And since when does Al Gore speak for all environmentalists/global warming activists?

Do you do other tricks, like sit up and beg? (http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Designed+by+an+architecture+professor+at+a+leading+national+university,%22&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=CdT&start=10&sa=N)

Seriously, I've said this before, you can at least source the hand up your butt.

HOUSE # 1:


A 20-room mansion (not including 8 bathrooms) heated by natural gas. Add on a pool (and a pool house) and a separate guest house all heated by gas. In ONE MONTH ALONE this mansion consumes more energy than the average American household in an ENTIRE YEAR. The average bill for electricity and natural gas runs over $2,400.00 per month. In natural gas alone (which last time we checked was a fossil fuel), this property consumes more than 20 times the national average for an American home. This house is not in a northern or Midwestern "snow belt," either. It's in the South.


HOUSE # 2:

Designed by an architecture professor at a leading national university, this house incorporates every "green" feature current home construction can
provide. The house contains only 4,000 square feet (4 bedrooms) and is nestled on arid high prairie in the American southwest. A central closet in the house holds geothermal heat pumps drawing ground water through pipes sunk 300 feet into the ground. The water (usually 67 degrees F.) heats the house in winter and cools it in summer. The system uses no fossil fuels such as oil or natural gas, and it consumes 25% of the electricity required for a conventional heating/cooling system. Rainwater from the roof is collected and funneled into a 25,000 gallon underground cistern. Wastewater from showers, sinks and toilets goes into underground purifying tanks and then into the cistern. The collected water then irrigates the land surrounding the house. Flowers and shrubs native to the area blend the property into the surrounding rural landscape.

Funny how you left out the whole "Green Power Switch" thing about House 1. Might tend to sway the opinion away from your precious, and you couldn't have that, I guess.

Oy gevalt. You seriously don't have anything better to do than this (http://www.johnberman.com/pics/funny/not_this_shit_again.jpg)?

Do you do other tricks, like sit up and beg? (http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Designed+by+an+architecture+professor+at+a+leading+national+university,%22&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=CdT&start=10&sa=N)

Seriously, I've said this before, you can at least source the hand up your butt.

I see Sierra/Deep Kimchi still likes to plagiarise. You'd think he'd start getting tired of being caught red-handed and just stop doing it, but I guess he just never learns.

I love how the only way DK can attack the theory of global warming being largely man-made and potentially disastrous is to keep having a go at one of the more prominent proponents.

Makes me feel happy.

LMD.




Despite normally being verbose, I've got nothing more to say.

The second house it more environmentally friendly. I'm no fan of Bush, but I'm not going to lie and say that a house which burns massive amounts of fossil fuels to support its extravagance is more environmentally friendly than his own residence. That's just plain intellectually dishonest.

I love how the only way DK can attack the theory of global warming being largely man-made and potentially disastrous is to keep having a go at one of the more prominent proponents.

Makes me feel happy.

Eve, I see that you have no problem perpetuating lies regarding Gore's house. Former President Gore's home not only serves as the location of the fully staffed offices of himself and his wife, he also pays for Green Offsets on all energy used. Before you work yourself into a tizzy decrying offsets as a way for rich people to pay for their guilt, remember that the money from offsets goes to developing Green Energy. That means that he is not merely paying out guilt, he is actively fixing things, in exchange for his energy use.

Not stop flogging a long dead horse. Your wingnuttery is apparent enough.

Let me guess, House 1 is Al Gore's.

http://www.bjacked.net/LuvToHunt/forums/phpBB2/modules/gallery/albums/album01/Beat_Dead_Horse.jpg

Charles MuslimHater the II, republican party stalwart and arch enemy of free healthcare across all 50 odd states?

Congratulations fellows, you won the thread.

Congratulations Eve, it's always amusing to see someone so predictably unreasonable.

Not this AGAIN.

Don't you people ever come up with something new?

Forgetting he runs an office in his house. . .

I think it's actually more like four offices. And most of his energy comes from green sources. He's being swiftboated, basically.

Not this AGAIN.

Don't you people ever come up with something new?

I think it's more proper to simply call Eve out rather than say "you people." ;)

Not this AGAIN.

Don't you people ever come up with something new?

but it's so hard to come up with original, valid arguments with a hand up your ass

We should all be living in tents like the Native Americans did.

We should all be living in tents like the Native Americans did.

The ancestral Puebloans didn't live in tents. They built cities, sometimes into the faces of mountains.

We should all be living in tents like the Native Americans did.Like...camping?

I'll start the fire, you make the smores.

The ancestral Puebloans didn't live in tents. They built cities, sometimes into the faces of mountains.
Adobes, yes? I have no problem with them. *nod*
Like...camping?

I'll start the fire, you make the smores.

Hell yeah!

*gets the crackers, marshmallows, and non-hershey chocolate*

This is probably before they switched their economy to giving out free consumer guides...




...that's probably only funny to me...I can live with that...

I gave it a small groan. ;)

The ancestral Puebloans didn't live in tents. They built cities, sometimes into the faces of mountains.

This is probably before they switched their economy to giving out free consumer guides...




...that's probably only funny to me...I can live with that...

Adobes, yes? I have no problem with them. *nod*


Hell yeah!

*gets the crackers, marshmallows, and non-hershey chocolate*why non-hershey?

I gave it a small groan. ;)

it got an eyeroll from me, personally.

I gave it a small groan. ;)

That's really the best that can be hoped for...

why non-hershey?

I've seen the light, and learned how evil Hershey is.

I've seen the light, and learned how evil Hershey is.
but its horrible quality is what makes it perfect for smores!

but its horrible quality is what makes it perfect for smores!

You know what? Blind taste testing!

*makes smores with Lindt, Hershey, Ghirardelli, and Godiva chocolate*

I think it's actually more like four offices. And most of his energy comes from green sources. He's being swiftboated, basically.

Can I get a source for Gore's use of green energy?

You know what? Blind taste testing!

*makes smores with Lindt, Hershey, Ghirardelli, and Godiva chocolate*

No munsons? Bitch, please.

No munsons? Bitch, please.

Munsons?

Can I get a source for Gore's use of green energy?

Here's one (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/28/AR2007022801823.html)
Kalee Kreider, a spokeswoman for Gore, called the statement misleading.

"The power coming into their residence is green, renewable power," she said, explaining that the Gores participate in a program called Green Power Switch, which is run through the public Tennessee Valley Authority. Green Power Switch supplies energy from renewable sources to its members.

Kreider added that a renovation of the Gores' house is underway to make it more energy efficient, an update that will include the addition of solar panels.
That one is a month old, but it's got the basics.

Munsons?

http://www.munsonschocolates.com/

http://www.munsonschocolates.com/

All right, Munsons smores!

That one is a month old, but it's got the basics.

Not exactly neutral but meh, I'm reasonably convinced. Theres also the little fact that Gore and his family all drive hybrids...

Surely the hypocrit here is Bush.
He doesn't believe in Global warming, yet has a ranch that is very green and energy-conscious.
How hypocritical can you get!
;)