NationStates Jolt Archive

This won't make the dinosaur media, much less al Jazeera or the rest of the jihad media - it doesn't fit with the `brutal occupier' script the Palestinians and their apologists have so successfully sold.

An Israeli ambulance was called in to save a Palestinian baby yesterday. Palestinian officials placed an urgent call for help to Israel after two babies died and a third was critically injured when they inhaled toxic fumes at their daycare in the West Bank town of Ramallah.

Israel's Civil Administration in the Judea (the West Bank ) responded by sending a civilian Israeli ambulance into a hostile area in Ramallah.

The ambulance team was made up of two Israeli Arab medics and was accompanied by Palestinian police escort.

The baby was safely evacuated from Ramallah and transferred to a hospital in the Greater Tel Aviv area. The boy's parents were allowed to accompany him.

Obviously, the Israelis put the child's life first and were willing to accede to a Palestinian request that no Jews be in the medical crew.

Yesterday, an Israeli ambulance crew from the MDAhttp://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?c=JPArticle&cid=1173879213970&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
again risked its life to save a Palestinian in desperate need of medical attention when they crossed into the Gaza strip and stabilized a 31-year-old Palestinian woman who Palestinian medics were unable to revive after a heart attack.

The woman was evacuated to Ichilov Hospital in Tel Aviv.

Not bad for a racist, apartheid state, hmmm?

I wonder...do you think the Palestinian Red Crescent would be as interested in saving Jewish lives?

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3383023,00.html

Y'know, I'm fairly sure that sometime between the American civil war and LBJ's signing of the civil rights act, that a white ambulance crew saved a black man's life. Guess what? Doesn't mean shit.

Y'know, I'm fairly sure that sometime between the American civil war and LBJ's signing of the civil rights act, that a white ambulance crew saved a black man's life. Guess what? Doesn't mean shit.

But the question I pose to you is: would a Palestinian ambulance crew be willing to do the same for a Jew?

But the question I pose to you is: would a Palestinian ambulance crew be willing to do the same for a Jew?

And this would prove that Israel is not an apartheid state how?

Incidentally they wouldn't, they'd be arrested at the border checkpoint.

But the question I pose to you is: would a Palestinian ambulance crew be willing to do the same for a Jew?

No, because they're dirty stinking America-hating anti-Semites. Happy? Now shut up and take your trolls elsewhere.

Not bad for a racist, apartheid state, hmmm?Depends. Did Israel revert its borders to the Green Line after that?

Source for the claim about no Jews being allowed in the crew?


It is good that they are doing that kind of thing, regardless. It starts to make up for incidents during 40 years of occupation such as the ones mentioned here....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4274400.stm

and the likes of this here
http://www.btselem.org/english/Testimonies/20070124_Rafah_Crossing_witness_Farahat.asp

This won't make the dinosaur media, much less al Jazeera or the rest of the jihad media - it doesn't fit with the `brutal occupier' script the Palestinians and their apologists have so successfully sold.

An Israeli ambulance was called in to save a Palestinian baby yesterday. Palestinian officials placed an urgent call for help to Israel after two babies died and a third was critically injured when they inhaled toxic fumes at their daycare in the West Bank town of Ramallah.

Israel's Civil Administration in the Judea (the West Bank ) responded by sending a civilian Israeli ambulance into a hostile area in Ramallah.

The ambulance team was made up of two Israeli Arab medics and was accompanied by Palestinian police escort.

The baby was safely evacuated from Ramallah and transferred to a hospital in the Greater Tel Aviv area. The boy's parents were allowed to accompany him.

Obviously, the Israelis put the child's life first and were willing to accede to a Palestinian request that no Jews be in the medical crew.

Yesterday, an Israeli ambulance crew from the MDAhttp://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?c=JPArticle&cid=1173879213970&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
again risked its life to save a Palestinian in desperate need of medical attention when they crossed into the Gaza strip and stabilized a 31-year-old Palestinian woman who Palestinian medics were unable to revive after a heart attack.

The woman was evacuated to Ichilov Hospital in Tel Aviv.

Not bad for a racist, apartheid state, hmmm?

I wonder...do you think the Palestinian Red Crescent would be as interested in saving Jewish lives?

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3383023,00.html

Cheh. I hope they don't spin it.

But the question I pose to you is: would a Palestinian ambulance crew be willing to do the same for a Jew?

So let me get this straight. You're asking we flip this around and consider if the Palestinians would do the same?

Are you asking, just to clarify, if a Palestinian ambulance would roll through a checkpoint heavily guarded by Israeli soldiers to respond to an emergency in Israel with a fully Jewish crew, in order to drive them back across the checkpoint into a Palestinian hospital, where they would be treated?

If an urgent call was placed to Palestinian officials, and it was quickly allowed through the border, yeah, I could see it happening.

No, because they're dirty stinking America-hating anti-Semites. Happy? Now shut up and take your trolls elsewhere.

I'm the troll? Oh, the irony runs deep.

So let me get this straight. You're asking we flip this around and consider if the Palestinians would do the same?

Are you asking, just to clarify, if a Palestinian ambulance would roll through a checkpoint heavily guarded by Israeli soldiers to respond to an emergency in Israel with a fully Jewish crew, in order to drive them back across the checkpoint into a Palestinian hospital, where they would be treated?

If an urgent call was placed to Palestinian officials, and it was quickly allowed through the border, yeah, I could see it happening.

Let's ignore the checkpoints. If the ambulance crew knew it wasn't going to be stopped at checkpoints, do you think they would do it?

Considering the Palestinian civil authorities didn't want any Jews on the Israeli ambulance, I think that's a very tricky proposition to make.

I'm the troll? Oh, the irony runs deep.

What? Isnt that the response you wanted?

And this would prove that Israel is not an apartheid state how?

Incidentally they wouldn't, they'd be arrested at the border checkpoint.

Would an apartheid state go out of its way to rescue the lives of those whom it oppresses?

I'll leave that up to your judgement.

Let's ignore the checkpoints. If the ambulance crew knew it wasn't going to be stopped at checkpoints, do you think they would do it?

Considering the Palestinian civil authorities didn't want any Jews on the Israeli ambulance, I think that's a very tricky proposition to make.

Are you saying there are no Jews anywhere, at all, in Palestine? Or that Jews in Palestine aren't allowed on medical crews?

Are you saying there are no Jews anywhere, at all, in Palestine? Or that Jews in Palestine aren't allowed on medical crews?

Why do you think I'm saying there's no Jews in Palestine?

According to the article, the Palestinian civil authorities didn't want any Jews on that ambulance. The Israelis could have flipped them the bird, but instead they bent backwards to comply.

I wonder...do you think the Palestinian Red Crescent would be as interested in saving Jewish lives?
The simple answer is "Yes".

But that's not the answer you're looking for, is it? I'm asking because your question is rather loaded and pointless.

The simple answer is "Yes".

But that's not the answer you're looking for, is it? I'm asking because your question is rather loaded and pointless.

What makes you so confident?

I highly suggest that you read the articles, particularly the part where it says the Palestinian civil authorities didn't want Jews on that ambulance.

Why do you think I'm saying there's no Jews in Palestine?

According to the article, the Palestinian civil authorities didn't want any Jews on that ambulance. The Israelis could have flipped them the bird, but instead they bent backwards to comply.

Then yes, they would.

What makes you so confident?

I highly suggest that you read the articles, particularly the part where it says the Palestinian civil authorities didn't want Jews on that ambulance.

So? That's irrelevant to your question, really. You doubt that Red Crescent would do their jobs. You ignor this part:
A source from the Palestinian Ministry of Health told Ynet that all humanitarian matters, especially those concerning human lives, should be separated from political issues.

And you claim that they didn't want jews, a claim you haven't backed up and doesn't appear in the articles. Frankly, it seems as you're just making stuff up. Therefore I conclude, "Yes" is not the answer you're looking for.

Would an apartheid state go out of its way to rescue the lives of those whom it oppresses?

I'll leave that up to your judgement.

So 2 Israeli ambulances rescue two Palestinians, and that suddenly make Israel's actions ok? Did it ever occur to you that maybe the red shield isn't directly controlled by the Israeli government?

So? That's irrelevant to your question, really. You doubt that Red Crescent would do their jobs. You ignor this part:


And you claim that they didn't want jews, a claim you haven't backed up and doesn't appear in the articles. Frankly, it seems as you're just making stuff up. Therefore I conclude, "Yes" is not the answer you're looking for.

Notice that both the medics were Israeli Arabs. Since Arabs are a minority in Israel, that would be some coincidence, no?

To prevent harming Palestinian sensibilities, no Jews were involved in the rescue. Simple as that.

Notice that both the medics were Israeli Arabs. Since Arabs are a minority in Israel, that would be some coincidence, no?

To prevent harming Palestinian sensibilities, no Jews were involved in the rescue. Simple as that.

That doesn't imply a demand was made that the crews be Palestinian. In fact it makes more sense that an Israeli team being prepped to go in there would be set up by the Israelis to be largely Palestinian, to make things easier once they're on the Palestinian side.

So 2 Israeli ambulances rescue two Palestinians, and that suddenly make Israel's actions ok? Did it ever occur to you that maybe the Red Star isn't directly controlled by the Israeli government?

The fact that these two ambulances rescued civilians who are considered hostile to Israel doesn't really play into the notion of a racist-apartheid Israel. Just pointing that out.

The Red Star isn't under the Israeli government, but the MDA is. The MDA rescued the individuals, not the Red Star.

Why do you think I'm saying there's no Jews in Palestine?

According to the article, the Palestinian civil authorities didn't want any Jews on that ambulance. The Israelis could have flipped them the bird, but instead they bent backwards to comply.

I already asked your a source re the claim. That should highlight, in the way a bright light shines into a dark, dark deep cave, that its not in either article.


To prevent harming Palestinian sensibilities, no Jews were involved in the rescue. Simple as that. .


Behold, the tune changes....source for your new claim please.....

That doesn't imply a demand was made that the crews be Palestinian. In fact it makes more sense that an Israeli team being prepped to go in there would be set up by the Israelis to be largely Palestinian, to make things easier once they're on the Palestinian side.

That's exactly my point. In an ideal world, it wouldn't matter what ethnicity the rescue team was, but unfortunately we live in something less than a utopia.

I think that's wrong, but that's just my opinion.

I already asked your a source re the claim. That should highlight, in the way a bright light shines into a dark, dark deep cave, that its not in either article.




Behold, the tune changes....source for your new claim please.....

Read what I said in comment #21. Then use your common sense.

This is a step in the right direction for Israel. They need to stop killing Palestinian and Lebanese kids with bombs and artillery and start saving them with aid.

That's exactly my point. In an ideal world, it wouldn't matter what ethnicity the rescue team was, but unfortunately we live in something less than a utopia.

I think that's wrong, but that's just my opinion.


1 - Could we have a source for your original claim?

or, if you are retracting it.......

2 - Could we have a source for your revised claim?

That's exactly my point. In an ideal world, it wouldn't matter what ethnicity the rescue team was, but unfortunately we live in something less than a utopia.

Yes it would, because the Arab Israelis would be able to speak Arabic, whereas Jewish Israelis might not.

Notice that both the medics were Israeli Arabs. Since Arabs are a minority in Israel, that would be some coincidence, no?

To prevent harming Palestinian sensibilities, no Jews were involved in the rescue. Simple as that.

I'm sorry, but this is pure bullshit.
Immediately after receiving the Palestinians' call for help, the Civil Administration's West Bank division called MDA requesting paramedics from Jerusalem take on the mission. Two Arab-Israeli paramedics took the call.

No indication whatsoever that politics were involved. No indcation whatsoever that they sent arabs to prevent harming Palestinian sensibilities. No indication whatsoever that the PA requested that no Jews be in the medical crew.

And finally, no indication whatsoever that the Red Crescent would not have done the same if the positions were reversed.

You fail utterly and completely.

What you should have said is that this was the first time since the beginning of the second intifada that an MDA ambulance entered Ramallah, and that they did a good job. Full stop.

This is a step in the right direction for Israel. They need to stop killing Palestinian and Lebanese kids with bombs and artillery and start saving them with aid.

Civilian deaths are a tragic but inevitable outcome of war. I put the blame squarely on Hezbollah, which initiated last summer's war.

Read what I said in comment #21. Then use your common sense.


We'll get to 21 in due time. Firstly you stated -

Obviously, the Israelis put the child's life first and were willing to accede to a Palestinian request that no Jews be in the medical crew.

You further underlined this position with your statement -


Considering the Palestinian civil authorities didn't want any Jews on the Israeli ambulance
in post 11 and again in 15 with

According to the article, the Palestinian civil authorities didn't want any Jews on that ambulance.

Could we have a source for the details of this request please?, as theres no mention of it in either article you posted. Or do you withdraw it completly?

You then go on to change your tune to
To prevent harming Palestinian sensibilities, no Jews were involved in the rescue. Simple as that.

Where is the source for this new claim?

We'll get to 21 in due time. Firstly you stated -



You further underlined this position with your statement -


in post 11 and again in 15 with


Could we have a source for the details of this request please?, as theres no mention of it in either article you posted. Or do you withdraw it completly?

You then go on to change your tune to


Where is the source for this new claim?

As the articles both stated, the medics were both Arabs. That's too much of a coincidence for me, since Arabs aren't the majority in Israel.

As the articles both stated, the medics were both Arabs. That's too much of a coincidence for me, since Arabs aren't the majority in Israel.

So out of the about 1,413,500 arab israelis, you find it impossible for an ambulance to be staffed by two - 2 - arabs? Dear lord.

So you've got nothing beside your gut to go on? I see. You made it up. Gotcha.

As the articles both stated, the medics were both Arabs. That's too much of a coincidence for me, since Arabs aren't the majority in Israel.
The request (if it even occured) not to have Jews in the medical crew makes practical sense. The point was to use Israel's medical capability to save a kid - not to make a political statement. If having a fully capable Israeli-arab crew handle the situation made it faster and smoother and more comfortable for the patient, that's fine. Besides, the arab israelis can communicate better in arabic than most other medics would be able to. Of course, if the PA is going to make a habit of relying on Israel for medical services, some sort of deal will have to be worked out.

As the articles both stated, the medics were both Arabs. That's too much of a coincidence for me, since Arabs aren't the majority in Israel.

Thats not what you said however. Would you please explain why you claimed three times that Palestinian authorities asked for "no jews" to be amongst the ambulance crew. Are you now going to withdraw that false claim?


Would you also explain why you state so authoritavely -
To prevent harming Palestinian sensibilities, no Jews were involved in the rescue. Simple as that. -
when in fact its pure speculation by you?

So out of the about 1,413,500 arab israelis, you find it impossible for an ambulance to be staffed by two - 2 - arabs? Dear lord.

So you've got nothing beside your gut to go on? I see. You made it up. Gotcha.

1431500 Arab Israelis out of a total population of 6,352,117.

https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/is.html#People

1431500 Arab Israelis out of a total population of 6,352,117.

https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/is.html#People

So it's inconceivable that an Israeli ambulance team could consist of 2 Arabs despite the fact that about 1/6 of the population is Arab?


:rolleyes:

So it's inconceivable that an Israeli ambulance team could consist of 2 Arabs despite the fact that about 1/6 of the population is Arab?


:rolleyes:

It's unlikely, to say the least.

But we are straying from the crux of the topic. Namely, would an apartheid state do what Israel did in this case?

1431500 Arab Israelis out of a total population of 6,352,117.

https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/is.html#People

Yes? So you still claim that of about 20% of the Israeli population it would be a miracle to find two arab israelis in the same ambulance? :rolleyes:

And what the hell has this got to do with the Red Crescent?

It's unlikely, to say the least.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Unbelievable.

It's unlikely, to say the least.

But we are straying from the crux of the topic. Namely, would an apartheid state do what Israel did in this case?

Could you please respond to post 36?

But we are straying from the crux of the topic. Namely, would an apartheid state do what Israel did in this case?
Yes, an apartheid state could - and possibly would - do the same. Are we done here?

Thats not what you said however. Would you please explain why you claimed three times that Palestinian authorities asked for "no jews" to be amongst the ambulance crew. Are you now going to withdraw that false claim?


Would you also explain why you state so authoritavely -
-
when in fact its pure speculation by you?

As I mentioned numerous times, it's too much of a coincidence that both medics were Arabs.

That being said, it was an error on my part to claim that the Palestinian Civil Authorites requested that no Jews would be allowed on the ambulance. The articles didn't say that, so I just assumed it, which I shouldn't have.

In all likelihood, it was a necessary precaution undertaken by the Israelis themselves.

It's unlikely, to say the least.

But we are straying from the crux of the topic. Namely, would an apartheid state do what Israel did in this case?

The real issue is, why do you think an apartheid state can redeem all its crimes by the single act of helping a baby? Does the lives of all those babies and their mothers who perished at the hands of Israeli imposed checkpoints mean nothing to you?

Yes, an apartheid state could - and possibly would - do the same. Are we done here?

From wikipedia' article on South African apartheid-
Hospitals and ambulances were segregated. The white hospitals were generally of a very good standard with well-educated staff and ample funds, while black hospitals were seriously understaffed and underfunded, with many black areas without a hospital at all.

Doesn't sound like Israel to me, but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

As I mentioned numerous times, it's too much of a coincidence that both medics were Arabs.

That being said, it was an error on my part to claim that the Palestinian Civil Authorites requested that no Jews would be allowed on the ambulance. The articles didn't say that, so I just assumed it, which I shouldn't have.

In all likelihood, it was a necessary precaution undertaken by the Israelis themselves.
Methinks thou doth assume too much. But hey, maybe 20% is a negligible number.

Don't look now but your bias is showing.

Civilian deaths are a tragic but inevitable outcome of war. I put the blame squarely on Hezbollah, which initiated last summer's war.

So a paramilitary organization based in a given country abducts a couple of soldiers from another country, so said country is justified in launching a deliberate camaign of genocide against the civilians of the first, under the banner of conflict with the militia? It would be like someone carbet bombing US cities because of the KKK.

The real issue is, why do you think an apartheid state can redeem all its crimes by the single act of helping a baby? Does the lives of all those babies and their mothers who perished at the hands of Israeli imposed checkpoints mean nothing to you?

Israel isn't an apartheid state. In Israel, religous and racial minorities have full rights, and some even serve on the parliament.

IDF soldiers don't shoot civilians at will. The people who get killed there are usually suicide bombers.

So a paramilitary organization based in a given country abducts a couple of soldiers from another country, so said country is justified in launching a deliberate camaign of genocide against the civilians of the first, under the banner of conflict with the militia? It would be like someone carbet bombing US cities because of the KKK.

Kidnaps soldiers and launches rockets incessantly into neighboring country. Would you rather have hezbollah shoot rockets and kill Israeli civilians at will, then?

Are Israelis somehow worth less than Lebanese?

From wikipedia' article on South African apartheid-
Hospitals and ambulances were segregated. The white hospitals were generally of a very good standard with well-educated staff and ample funds, while black hospitals were seriously understaffed and underfunded, with many black areas without a hospital at all.

Doesn't sound like Israel to me, but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.
The hell we will! I have not said that Israel was an apartheid state, but even if it was... It is not unthinkable that random acts of kindness to happen in such states too. Dig deeper and you will find sunshine stories from South Africa too, I promise.

You should look at the policies rather than one single event. Start by looking at the laws. Are arab citizens treated differently than jewish citizens? Are there any laws that regulates arabs but not others? Any laws regulating jews but not others? That's how you start.

Then you go look at something else: Are these palestinians citizens or not? Maybe they are under ocupation? Or simply under a different rule? If so, then your ideas about an "apartheid state" falls flat, because it would rather be the more acceptable difference that lies between citizen and non-citizen. Your question would be analogous to: Would South Africa back in the day send an ambulance with two black medics into Zimbabwe to help any non-citizens at the request of the local government?

Kidnaps soldiers and launches rockets incessantly into neighboring country. Would you rather have hezbollah shoot rockets and kill Israeli civilians at will, then?

Are Israelis somehow worth less than Lebanese?

The rocket launches occured after Israel attacked.

Israel isn't an apartheid state. In Israel, religous and racial minorities have full rights, and some even serve on the parliament.

IDF soldiers don't shoot civilians at will. The people who get killed there are usually suicide bombers.


For example, Benjamin Pogrund, who was active in the South African anti-apartheid movement, wrote of the comparison:

"... it isn't true. Anyone who knows what apartheid was, and who knows Israel today, is aware of that. Use of the apartheid label is at best ignorant and naïve and at worst cynical and manipulative."

Both Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch have expressed concern over human rights within Israel:

From Human Rights Watch (in terms reminiscent of the situation of Roma people in some Eastern European countries):
"Government-run Arab schools are a world apart from government-run Jewish schools. In virtually every respect, Palestinian Arab children get an education inferior to that of Jewish children, and their relatively poor performance in school reflects this."

From Amnesty International:
"In August the UN Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination called for the revocation of the Citizenship and Entry into Israel Law, passed the previous year and extended for six months in July. The law institutionalized racial discrimination. It barred Israeli Arab citizens married to Palestinians from the Occupied Territories from living with their spouses in Israel, and forced families to either live apart or leave the country altogether."

South African Archbishop emeritus Desmond Tutu has accused Israel of practising apartheid and said that "it reminded me so much of what happened to us black people in South Africa".

Some quotes for and against. For myself, I don't think Israel's hit the lows of Apartheid SA, but I don't think it's a million miles away.

Would an apartheid state go out of its way to rescue the lives of those whom it oppresses?Do really think Apartheid-era South African ambulances never saved a black baby?

dont be a tool

I would encourage anyone who ever visits Israel and the occupied West Bank to take a look at the Abu Dis ghetto.

Let us start with this: I am pro Israel now to random attacks:

Achilles: This is not the right way to win people over, showing one example of good doing can easily be disproved by another example of Israeli wrong doing.

Now people are you ready for the facts:

Fact 1. Israel is not occupying any territory. All Israeli gains in territory have happened through legal wars that Israel didn't even declare. Is King Hussein declaring war on Israel something we should blame the Israelis for?

Fact 2. On balance Israel is better. While not completely innocent by any means the Israelis do allow Arab citizens inside of the green line almost equal rights in most respects. As in, it's on paper but not always there in practice while on paper the Palestinians disrespect Jewish rights meaning that in practice it's always going to be worse. Besides that to a point the Palestinians have brought these harsh security measures on themselves, during the mid 90s security lightened up then the second intifada started and security tightened up again. It's like post 9-11 US we have increased security to stop terrorists, same deal in Israel only people persecute Israel for it.

Fact 3. The problem with pro-Israel people is the assumption of Israel as squeaky clean. It makes their arguments worse as Israel isn't then pro-Palestinian give examples of that we call it propoganda which, while sometimes it is, sometimes it's true. Palestinian people sometimes do the same thing or call the deaths of innocents justified (which it never is). If you want to read more on this read that book by Paul Berman called Terror and Liberalism which talks about how that attitude justifies the Nazis.

But the question I pose to you is: would a Palestinian ambulance crew be willing to do the same for a Jew?

Would you be willing to do the same for a muslim?

I see you've retracted your initial statement. Well done. And it only took three pages to do it.....

Israel isn't an apartheid state. In Israel, religous and racial minorities have full rights, and some even serve on the parliament. .

Yet the territories occupied by Israel have a two tier system, where Arabs are subject to a military tribunal and the whim of the military commander, and settlers are allowed full civillian justice.

There is also discrimination within Israel against Arabs, particularily in regards to education and land matters.


IDF soldiers don't shoot civilians at will. The people who get killed there are usually suicide bombers.

Why does that sound like "if it runs its VC, if it doesnt its a well trained VC".....

Fact 1. Israel is not occupying any territory. All Israeli gains in territory have happened through legal wars that Israel didn't even declare. Is King Hussein declaring war on Israel something we should blame the Israelis for?


Israel is occupying the West Bank and Arab East Jerusalem. It controls the borders and airspace of Gaza. This is viewed, internationally, as illegal. It has allowed and aided its own civillian population to move into these areas, often taking Palestinians homes and land in the process. This too is deemed illegal. I suggest you smell the coffee.

Now people are you ready for the facts:

Fact 1. Israel is not occupying any territory. All Israeli gains in territory have happened through legal wars that Israel didn't even declare. Is King Hussein declaring war on Israel something we should blame the Israelis for?

Strange how you declear as "fact" the opposite of what most of the international community is in agreement on: Israel is occupying territory.

As for the coup de grace: The Israeli Supreme Court agrees with this position.

Let's ignore the checkpoints.

Impossible.

Ignoring the checkpoints tends to get you killed.

But I suppose it's the only way to get across your main argument that Palestinians are evil and Israelis are good.

Strange how you declear as "fact" the opposite of what most of the international community is in agreement on: Israel is occupying territory.

As for the coup de grace: The Israeli Supreme Court agrees with this position.

Then I demand that the US return all of the territory it gained during the Mexican-American war and its subsequent colonization of said Mexican territory.

Why? because it won the territory illegally during war.

Preempt:

Oh wait that seems dumb? Yes same point with Israel returning rightfully won territories is not neccesary. And fuck the international community the UN is a corrupt orginization anyways for the love of god Sudan is on the human rights commision. Since the UN is the heart of the international community and is bad the international community doesn't matter bye bye.

End of preempt

I'd like to see some source that says that the Israeli Supreme Court said this.

Then I demand that the US return all of the territory it gained during the Mexican-American war and its subsequent colonization of said Mexican territory.

Why? because it won the territory illegally during war.

Preempt:

Oh wait that seems dumb? Yes same point with Israel returning rightfully won territories is not neccesary. And fuck the international community the UN is a corrupt orginization anyways for the love of god Sudan is on the human rights commision. Since the UN is the heart of the international community and is bad the international community doesn't matter bye bye.

End of preempt

I'd like to see some source that says that the Israeli Supreme Court said this.

No, that seems reasonable.

No, that seems reasonable.

All of Cali, Az, NM and parts of Utah, Colorado plus I think one other Western state.

Yep totally.

Israel Kidnaps Palestinian Baby!

While I don't think that it's right to say the baby was "kidnapped", I do think
the Israelis were wrong to have televised a video of the baby apologizing for
entering their territorial waters. I'm afraid now that if the Palestinians don't
admit the baby was acting under illegal orders, the Israelis will have a baby-
trial and then cut off it's baby-head.

I'd like to see some source that says that the Israeli Supreme Court said this.

Here, let me help by going through the links presented on wikipedia:

23. The general point of departure of all parties – which is also our point of departure – is that Israel holds the area in belligerent occupation (occupatio bellica). See HCJ 619/78 “El Tal’ia” Weekly v. Minister of Defense; HCJ 69/81 Abu Ita v. Commander of the Area of Judea and Samaria; HCJ 606/78 Ayoob v. Minister of Defense; HCJ 393/82 Jam'iat Ascan Elma’almoon Eltha’aooniah Elmahduda Elmaoolieh v. Commander of the IDF Forces in the Area of Judea and Samaria. In the areas relevant to this petition, military administration, headed by the military commander, continues to apply. Compare HCJ 2717/96 Wafa v. Minister of Defense (application of the military administration in “Area C”). The authority of the military commander flows from the provisions of public international law regarding belligerent occupation. These rules are established principally in the Regulations Concerning the Laws and Customs of War on Land, The Hague, 18 October 1907 [hereinafter – the Hague Regulations]. These regulations reflect customary international law.
The judgement (http://www.haaretz.com/hasite/images/iht_daily/D010704/hcfen0604.rtf)

The court agreed with both parties that the West Bank was held by Israel in a state of "belligerent occupation" and that "military administration, headed by the military commander, continues to apply" flowing from "the principles of the Israeli administrative law" and "provisions of public international law... established principally in..." the Hague Conventions.
Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_Supreme_Court_Opinions_on_the_West_Bank_Barrier)

I see pwnage has already occurred....

I see my work done for me :)