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300 actually came out as we were studying ancient Greece, and my history teacher saw it and said it was inaccurate. I hate it when movies like that are historically innaccurate, and I hate the generic war movie becuase it's always good vs. evil and blood and gore and sex. Screw that.

Good for your professor. But then again this movie wasnt ever claimed to be historical. Not one ad said this.

Yeah... the comic being called "300", as fate would have it.

Still isn't that good a film, to be honest, and it's a bit grating at times with the prejudice and such.


Ther ewas lots of prejudice of the time. If you people cant live with what the time was like, then you people need a reality check of what that period was like.

Yeah... the comic being called "300", as fate would have it.

Still isn't that good a film, to be honest, and it's a bit grating at times with the prejudice and such.

Movie based on a comic based on an earlier movie (The 300 Spartans) based on a true event.

See how much realism has been filtered?

Mindless violence, sweaty muscular men, no sensible plot... who wouldn't enjoy it?

Mindless violence, sweaty muscular men, no sensible plot... who wouldn't enjoy it?

People with taste?

Mindless violence, sweaty muscular men, no sensible plot...

Sounds like a typical Vin Diesel movie.

Sounds like a typical Vin Diesel movie.

Yeah. I suppose. But less transsexuals in most Vin Diesel movies, I think.

Lots of violence always makes a movie win in my eyes. Not especially for the half-naked dudes, but I'm sure it pleased the ladies and gay lads.

I wouldn't call it gay, but it definitely wasn't that enjoyable. All style and no substance -- generic orchestral music

Wait wait wait. What kind of music would be less "style" and more "substance," then?

A pounding techno beat?

Trendy rock songs?

Minimalist abstractions?

What?

Let's face it, music is itself STYLE. That's what music is.

Good for your professor. But then again this movie wasnt ever claimed to be historical. Not one ad said this.Yes, but the confusing thing is that it (ab)uses a historical setting.

Yes, but the confusing thing is that it (ab)uses a historical setting.

Atleast it sparked my interest to research about the Greco-Persian Wars and the Spartan society.

Atleast it sparked my interest to research about the Greco-Persian Wars and the Spartan society.Very good. And always mind that the "dark age" is fabricated entirely by modern academia.

Very good. And always mind that the "dark age" is fabricated entirely by modern academia.

I thought it was fabricated by T. A. Edison, in reference to the period before his coming.

I thought it was fabricated by T. A. Edison, in reference to the period before his coming.You really could use some enlightenment... ;)
Now go to your room and read up on Greece!

Wait wait wait. What kind of music would be less "style" and more "substance," then?

A pounding techno beat?

Trendy rock songs?

Minimalist abstractions?

What?

Let's face it, music is itself STYLE. That's what music is.
I mean that the music wasn't notable or memorable, and didn't do much to enhance the movie. I got the feeling that the filmmakers were the type that think, "Oh, if we throw in some trumpet blasts, or maybe a lone choral voice, it'll be more dramatic and epic!"

The rock music, for the record, was even worse. It didn't have any sort of form or theme at all.

it seems they are about to release a PG version (http://www.shoutfile.com/v/7vqyf44B/Hilarious_Spoof_Movie_Trailer_On_300)


"Brush your teeth!" :D

Very good. And always mind that the "dark age" is fabricated entirely by modern academia.


So says you. Are you a learned historian?

Ok, let me ask you it this way, being civil.

What makes it not a Dark Age of their history?

So says you. Are you a learned historian?

Ok, let me ask you it this way, being civil.

What makes it not a Dark Age of their history?

They had candles and stuff.

As a Canadian, I originally had that typed in exactly... but before I hit 'post', I remembered that Canadians are becoming less intelligent due to culture flux and proximity. It makes me an unhappy panda. :(

I am also a sad panda, but I was one before you. :p

well yeah i guess their is some truth to that. the movie obviously wasn't attempting to actually accurately portray the battle of the hot gates, it was an adaption of a very stylized graphic novel.

the problem is that the imagery was extremely racist, it turned the persians into a symbol for all non-europeans and the struggle as one between white european civilization and the rest of the worlds tyranny and and beastal degravity. if that isn't the nazi/white supermacist view in a nutshell i don't know what is.

it did leave the jews out of the picture, but if you look at the new far right movements antisemetism is less important than a general xenophobia of all that isn't white western civilization.
You're reading way, way, WAY too much into this I think.

So says you. Are you a learned historian?
Ok, let me ask you it this way, being civil.
What makes it not a Dark Age of their history?? the period just didn't exist. prior to the end of the 19th century nobody has ever reported about or even thought of anything like a 'dark age' in greek history. the dark age period was entirely created by modern academia out of chronology problems introduced from circumstances outside of greece. and if you look at it, doesn't it seem extremely strange that within this 'dark age' there was absolutely no progress in art, literature, or habits? it seems the greeks had dropped whatever they were doing and 350 years later picked it up again as if no time had passed.

? the period just didn't exist. prior to the end of the 19th century nobody has ever reported about or even thought of anything like a 'dark age' in greek history. the dark age period was entirely created by modern academia out of chronology problems introduced from circumstances outside of greece. and if you look at it, doesn't it seem extremely strange that within this 'dark age' there was absolutely no progress in art, literature, or habits? it seems the greeks had dropped whatever they were doing and 350 years later picked it up again as if no time had passed.

And that is why its called the "Dark Age". Because there was less advancement shown by history. Now, i may actually agree with you on how it should be named something else, but that is HOW modern historians label stuff to organize the past, even past historians do the same of their past histories. Point is its not wrong, its just misunderstood on how to explain what it is.

Can i ask you another question? WHat would you call it?

And that is why its called the "Dark Age". Because there was less advancement shown by history. Now, i may actually agree with you on how it should be named something else, but that is HOW modern historians label stuff to organize the past, even past historians do the same of their past histories. Point is its not wrong, its just misunderstood on how to explain what it is.But the point is that there is no such gap in the archaeological and historical record of that time. There was no era of less advancement, instead the era before and after were directly adjacent. The greek dark age is an artificial construct of modern scholarships with no historical basis.Can i ask you another question? WHat would you call it?inexistent

But the point is that there is no such gap in the archaeological and historical record of that time. There was no era of less advancement, instead the era before and after were directly adjacent. The greek dark age is an artificial construct of modern scholarships with no historical basis.inexistent

It's the AGE OF MYTHOLOGY III !

But the point is that there is no such gap in the archaeological and historical record of that time. There was no era of less advancement, instead the era before and after were directly adjacent. The greek dark age is an artificial construct of modern scholarships with no historical basis.inexistent

No?
But from around 1100BC yo around 800BC there is a definite shift based on historical records and from acheological findings. First there is the wide spread destruction of empires & cities during this time period. There are far fewer written records in the greek script. Towns & cities seem to have shrunk in population. Pottery from that era is more crude and lacks the 'artistic' flourish of Mycenean culture. There was also the extinction of the linear B script. Which was replaced in time with the greek alphabet.

No?
But from around 1100BC yo around 800BC there is a definite shift based on historical records and from acheological findings.Nope. I may elaborate on this later...

Nope. I may elaborate on this later...

well you're going to have too I think. and a discussion on history is always interesting (IMO)

double post

Nope. I may elaborate on this later...

Actually yes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_dark_ages

http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/prehistory/aegean/pre-greece/greekdarkages.html

http://www.answers.com/topic/greek-dark-ages

i am not saying that Greece disappears, but there is no formal "greek" city-states and such. Eventeh language seems to fade away for a time. That doesnt mean(much like the Middle Ages-Dark Ages) that technology disappears or there is no greeks.

I mean that the music wasn't notable or memorable, and didn't do much to enhance the movie. I got the feeling that the filmmakers were the type that think, "Oh, if we throw in some trumpet blasts, or maybe a lone choral voice, it'll be more dramatic and epic!"

"Filmmakers" don't make the music. In this case it was Tyler Bates.

And I don't know what your beef is. What, there shouldn't have been trumpets? Maybe it should have been a bass clarinet solo. Yeah.

In response to the OP, the Spartans weren't exactly portrayed as the pinnacle of morality either. Didn't the opening sequence allude to them leaving weak babies to die on mountain tops? What about their corrupt religious leaders, forced conscription from a young age, and military aggresiveness being held on such a high pedestal? Aside from their bravery, the film does paint a pretty negative picture of Spartan culture imo.
Thats what made them the greatest warriors who ever lived. On the other hand it was also their downfall. Since Spartans hardly ever retreated. The man who lives and runs away will live to fight another day.
After a while they simply ran out of soldiers. Even the vikings retreated when all was lost. On occasion anyway.