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Extremists are so sussed on fulfilling their agenda I think they actually fulfill resolution resolution (which as I understand it is when you get so hardcore about something you become what you were fighting against)

This one here is on how liberals achieve resolution resolution by expressing great enmity with Christmas (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ml0waP0g8wU&mode=related&search=)which is against the liberal utopian mindset.

Conservatives have done this as well, where they are so sussed on stopping the "murder of unborn babies" that they kill both mother and child which breaks the commandment "Thou shalt not kill"

Thoughts?

Back when I was in high school in our government club, someone introduced a bill trying to strike down 'victim disarmament' (gun control).

It passed with flying colors.

Back when I was in high school in our government club, someone introduced a bill trying to strike down 'victim disarmament' (gun control).

It passed with flying colors.

Yup, thats an example of resolution resolution. :(

Can you list other instances on resolution resolution?

resolution resolution is just another fancy name for marketing.

Like Wal-Mart calling its employees 'associates'
The hotel down the way from my old house called their employees 'team members'
Disney calls their engineers 'imagineers'
The got. called a fire 'rapid oxidation'--though technically 'rapid reduction' is more correct.

What its all about is softening the true meaning. Its really everywhere, not just govt.

Can you list other instances on resolution resolution?

someone once told me a story about how he formed a group in order to "combat" groups that tried to "brainwash" people into being "just like them".

Said person later got upset when someone in his group started acting like maybe he didn't want to be in this group. The original person seemed to get upset at the idea that this other individual was not thinking just like him....

someone once told me a story about how he formed a group in order to "combat" groups that tried to "brainwash" people into being "just like them".

Said person later got upset when someone in his group started acting like maybe he didn't want to be in this group. The original person seemed to get upset at the idea that this other individual was not thinking just like him....

No, that person just was afraid of them turning on him was all.

What about your stance on flag burning. That sounds like resolution resolution. Where the flag burners get more rights than patriots. Where you condoned burning the flag of freedom in the name of freedom.

No, that person just was afraid of them turning on him was all. <other stuff>

Reminds of a Red Dwarf episode when Rimmer cloned himself so he could rule a planet, but the clones turned on him and imprisoned him so the others had to go save Rimmer from himself (his clones).

Reminds of a Red Dwarf episode when Rimmer cloned himself so he could rule a planet, but the clones turned on him and imprisoned him so the others had to go save Rimmer from himself (his clones).

LOL I saw that one. I plan on RPing in II a Rimmer world war where the Rimmre clones disagree and have this massive war with WWII technology then the Dwarfers end up getting caught in it.

What about your stance on flag burning. That sounds like resolution resolution. Where the flag burners get more rights than patriots.

pray tell in what way they get MORE rights? What rights are they given that the "patriots" don't? What right in any sense do the flag burners get?

Where you condoned burning the flag of freedom in the name of freedom.

See, now here's where you lose track. The system you are talking about is when I so oppose something that I become that which I oppose. Anti abortionist bombers is a good example.

I support the first amendment, thus I support the right to burn a flag. For your little hypothetical to work, in supporting the first amendment, I must seek to restrict the first amendment.

So I ask, again, whose rights are being restricted exactly by someone burning a flag?

Reminds of a Red Dwarf episode when Rimmer cloned himself so he could rule a planet, but the clones turned on him and imprisoned him so the others had to go save Rimmer from himself (his clones).

Rimmerworld looms large in my memory.

pray tell in what way they get MORE rights? What rights are they given that the "patriots" don't? What right in any sense do the flag burners get?



See, now here's where you lose track. The system you are talking about is when I so oppose something that I become that which I oppose. Anti abortionist bombers is a good example.

I support the first amendment, thus I support the right to burn a flag. For your little hypothetical to work, in supporting the first amendment, I must seek to restrict the first amendment.

So I ask, again, whose rights are being restricted exactly by someone burning a flag?

People are so sussed with freedom they give someone the freedom to burn a flag of freedom. The 1st ammendment has acquired resolution resolution.

Patriots get less rights because they can't express themselves without getting in trouble as flag burners can run rampant.

People are so sussed with freedom they give someone the freedom to burn a flag of freedom.

Does a flag have rights? If not, how does burning a flag, in any way, RESTRICT freedom?

The flag isn't a person. It has no rights. It is fabric. Whose rights are being restricted?

Patriots get less rights because they can't express themselves without getting in trouble as flag burners can run rampant.

Why can't they express themselves? In what ways are they limited in their expression that flag burners are not?

What can they NOT do that other people can? Don't give me vagueries like "they can't express themselves the way they want" because if that expression takes the form of beatting someone up, nobody can do that.

Tell me, specifically, what can a flag burner do that a non flag burner can't? Give me one, SPECIFIC example.

Patriots get less rights because they can't express themselves without getting in trouble as flag burners can run rampant.

What the hell are you talking about?

What the hell are you talking about?

It was a thread that was here yesterday that I debated on.

People are so sussed with freedom they give someone the freedom to burn a flag of freedom. The 1st ammendment has acquired resolution resolution.


See, the thing with fundamental rights is that one doesn't "give" them to people. People intrinsically have them. The right to free speech is widely considered to be such a right, and governments which abridge that right are typically considered to be horribly oppressive.


Patriots get less rights because they can't express themselves without getting in trouble as flag burners can run rampant.

Er, no. Patriots can also make use of their right to free speech. Patriots and non-patriots can both burn flags, not burn flags, discuss how great flag burning is, say how stupid and offensive flag burning is, and so on and so forth. Everybody can do those things. That's how free expression works.

Of course, if you really want a good example of your "resolution resolution," those people who wish to ban flag burning because "the flag is a symbol of the ideals of our nation (which obviously and prominently include the right to free expression), and thus should never ever be disrespected OR ELSE" would seem to have achieved it.

Of course, if you really want a good example of your "resolution resolution," those people who wish to ban flag burning because "the flag is a symbol of the ideals of our nation (which obviously and prominently include the right to free expression), and thus should never ever be disrespected OR ELSE" would seem to have achieved it.

I considered pointing this out, however I figured the irony would either be lost on the OP, or cause his head to explode.

Probably means something along the lines of "Patriots can't go around shooting people they think aren't patriotic enough, but those damn traitors can burn their own property without punishment. Such madness it is!" Or something like that, that's usually what that rhetoric implies.

Probably means something along the lines of "Patriots can't go around shooting people they think aren't patriotic enough, but those damn traitors can burn their own property without punishment. Such madness it is!" Or something like that, that's usually what that rhetoric implies.

So I can burn my own paper in class or burn my own shirt in public and shout and screech about rights and go unharmed?

Probably means something along the lines of "Patriots can't go around shooting people they think aren't patriotic enough, but those damn traitors can burn their own property without punishment. Such madness it is!" Or something like that, that's usually what that rhetoric implies.

yeah, those damned flag burners have the right to burn their own flag to express themselves but I can't shoot them in the head to express myself! it's unequal!

So I can burn my own paper in class

Can a flag burner burn a flag in class? No? Ok, then this example is crap.


or burn my own shirt in public and shout and screech about rights and go unharmed?

yes.

Tune in next week for our next episode of "brief answers to silly questions."

As far as flag burning goes and the amount of rights people get. America is silly :confused: I mean someone can actually burn their shirt for no reason in public and talk about how they burnt their shirt in the name of rights? Damn, if I knew the law was that lenient I would have actually tried the paintball clown prank I came up with...:p

pray tell in what way they get MORE rights? What rights are they given that the "patriots" don't? What right in any sense do the flag burners get?



See, now here's where you lose track. The system you are talking about is when I so oppose something that I become that which I oppose. Anti abortionist bombers is a good example.

I support the first amendment, thus I support the right to burn a flag. For your little hypothetical to work, in supporting the first amendment, I must seek to restrict the first amendment.

So I ask, again, whose rights are being restricted exactly by someone burning a flag?

Lizzy's right to not see a flag burn? Oh wait . . . that right doesn't exist . . .

Lizzy's right to not see a flag burn? Oh wait . . . that right doesn't exist . . .

Flag burners usually clog up streets and gather around a burning flag, they restrict our rights by increasing pollution, (global warming limits everyones rights) and they limit the right of others to use the road. Think of all those who need to drive to work! :eek:

Why can't they express themselves? In what ways are they limited in their expression that flag burners are not?

I recall the argument going: "Evil Flag burners have the right to burn the flag, but Loyal Patriots aren't allowed to kick the crap out of them, so the rights of the Nobel Patriots are being restricted."

I mean someone can actually burn their shirt for no reason in public and talk about how they burnt their shirt in the name of rights?

Yes, yes they can. In the 60s as part of feminist protests women would throw bras into the trash can.

Now, really, which part of free expression are you not grasping here?

Flag burners usually clog up streets and gather around a burning flag, they restrict our rights by increasing pollution, (global warming limits everyones rights) and they limit the right of others to use the road. Think of all those who need to drive to work! :eek:

Oh well then surely whatever pollution they cause by burning the flag is more than offset by stopping traffic :rolleyes:

Oh well then surely whatever pollution they cause by burning the flag is more than offset by stopping traffic :rolleyes:

RESOLUTION RESOLUTION!!! :D

RESOLUTION RESOLUTION!!! :D

that, or, you know, sarcasm

that, or, you know, sarcasm

Which is worse? Breathing in flag fumes or exhaust? Now come to think of it, both infring on our right to breate! BAN THEM! :D

Extremists are so sussed on fulfilling their agenda I think they actually fulfill resolution resolution (which as I understand it is when you get so hardcore about something you become what you were fighting against)

wha?

wha?

I had a link that explained resolution resolution on the first post.

I had a link that explained resolution resolution on the first post.

yes, and i am confused as to how you got that out of that

yes, and i am confused as to how you got that out of that

remember the part where he says that resolution resolution is where you go so far cross the space time continuum and do the exact opposite of what you say you were going to do? Thats what I got out of it last time, I can't watch it again because my sound system is broken. :(

remember the part where he says that resolution resolution is where you go so far cross the space time continuum and do the exact opposite of what you say you were going to do? Thats what I got out of it last time, I can't watch it again because my sound system is broken. :(

what he was saying, or at least what I got from it, was that when someone made a crap new years resolution (ie stop doing something they would never do anyway) they should be forced to do the opposite of their resolution. So "I will not fight mountain lions" becomes "I will make love to a mountain lion".

my misunderstood posts and posts in which I misunderstood should be dipped in vinegar. :D :p

Sort of like tortured baby cows being called "veal"?

Sort of like tortured baby cows being called "veal"?

ummm....what does that have to do with this thread? :confused:

ummm....what does that have to do with this thread? :confused:

I was under the impression that the original intent of this thread was to point out instances when the reality of a situation was masked by a less severe-sounding name.

I was under the impression that the original intent of this thread was to point out instances when the reality of a situation was masked by a less severe-sounding name.

nvm, I you didn't post what your interpretation of resolution resolution so I was kinda confused.