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I realised today that I do want to get married and have kids. I realised that this is important because I am the only Muslim in my family and if I don't have kids, Islam dies with me. So I want children so that I can pass on Islam to them. But not so much that I brainwash them and they are Muslim because they don't know anything else. I want them to accept Islam because its what they really believe in. So do you want kids, and why?

Trust me, Islam won't 'die with you'.

Don't have kids for the sake of religion. Have them because you need domestic servants.

I'm never going to have children.

Ever.

So I want children so that I can pass on Islam to them. But not so much that I brainwash them and they are Muslim because they don't know anything else. I want them to accept Islam because its what they really believe in.
How are you going to ensure they really believe in it without brainwashing them?

"Oh, Ellie, look, they're noisy, they're expensive...they smell."

In other words: No kids for me.

Nope, I've got to spend that money on myself. Wetware upgrades, neural replacement and cybernetic enhancements don't come cheap. Maybe once I'm done with that, I'll consider it, but right now I need to focus on myself.

Not to mention I would like to spend some money on home decor and collecting things like fine wines, coins, antiques and things like that. Traveling would also be a must. I imagine I could accrue an excellent collection of 18th and 19th century British and French coinage with the kind of money I'd have to spend.

Someday I might have kids, but they're more likely to be built than birthed...

How are you going to ensure they really believe in it without brainwashing them?

Indeed.
If your only reason to want kids is to have your religion continue - you will have to brainwash them. Otherwise they might exercise free will and pick another belief.

If you believe brainwashing children is repulsive* and if you have no other reasons for wanting them - don't have kids.

* Or believe that God/Allah/FSM/whatever prefers people that have more reasons to believe than
not knowing any better.

To force my political ideals on them.

I would never try to pass on my religious beliefs to my kids.

Having children does not appeal to me. Maybe that'll change in a few years, but until then, no loud annoying rugrats for me.

Hunger.

if I don't have kids, Islam dies with me.

Well that came out pretty damn arrogant. At worst no one in your FAMILY will be Islamic. So what?

Someday I might have kids, but they're more likely to be built than birthed...
You really are a crazy, crazy man.

I can see myself wanting kids someday or something.

I want kids. I want two girls and two boys. I want a wife. I also want a cop, a criminal and a two-person boat.

Perhaps it's for the best that the majority of NSers don't want children.

Hunger.
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Hunger.

A pinch of your brother - a teaspoon of you
With the head of your sister would make a good stew
I'd give you a taste - but your tongue's in the stew: irony
That's what Halloween means to me.

Aaah, good old Lynch ;)

I realised today that I do want to get married and have kids. I realised that this is important because I am the only Muslim in my family and if I don't have kids, Islam dies with me. So I want children so that I can pass on Islam to them. But not so much that I brainwash them and they are Muslim because they don't know anything else. I want them to accept Islam because its what they really believe in. So do you want kids, and why?

Trust this - having kids in order to pass on your beliefs won't work. The first thing they will do, as soon as they have the opportunity, is to deny, defy and mock everything you believe in. Just raise them to have decent values, unconnected to a religious belief; the religion they'll choose on their own.

Well, my girlfriend wants *one* kid, and I don't really care about it. Want she wants is what I'll try to get her, though, so that's part of the reason why I want kids.

I want a kid just to see where (preferably he, so I can pass my family name on) he gets in life, to have good times with, and.. uh.. that's all I can think of right now. I don't really want to force ideals and beliefs on them, maybe just lightly encourage them, but that's it. I dont' care that much in that area.

Not that I should be having kids yet. Kids + a teenage age + bad job/no job = not good.

Originally posted by Soviestan I realised that this is important because I am the only Muslim in my family and if I don't have kids, Islam dies with me. So I want children so that I can pass on Islam to them.

It's the opposite case with me. I'm the only non Muslim in my family. It just goes to show that forcing your spiritual ideals on your children is no gurantee that they won't question it and reject it.

Because they are so yummy when cooked just right.:cool:

I don't. Why not ask Jacko? :p

Nah, he's too busy building a laser-shooting 50' robotic replica of himself out in the Las Vegas desert.

I don't. Why not ask Jacko? :p

Where do the lasers shoot from? :eek:

I don't know, and I don't think I want to know. Apparently it's supposed to move as well, which is even more terrifying.

Nah, he's too busy building a laser-shooting 50' robotic replica of himself out in the Las Vegas desert.

Where do the lasers shoot from? :eek:

Where do the lasers shoot from? :eek:From the fingers, Emperor shooting force lightning basically.

My father once told me that the most interesting people you'll meet in your life will be your children. I kinda want to see if it's true.

However, I'm not at the point of my life where I want to have kids. Having a niece though would be cool.

I haven't even reached the point in life where i've decided whether I do or don't.

Don't want 'em. Too much chaos, liability, and having to deal with women and their extended families. In all likelihood, you end up with a kid someplace on the other end of the country and 17 years of support payments after the whole deal goes south. Meh. I'll keep my peace and quiet.

I'd like to have kids in order to pass my genes... but I know that my kids will hate me for bringing them into this world, so I'm not so decided yet...

I'd like to have kids in order to pass my genes... but I know that my kids will hate me for bringing them into this world, so I'm not so decided yet...

If you still around by the time they're old enough to hate you, you'll have made it farther than most. :p Most guys are at the "two weekends a month" phase by then.

If you still around by the time they're old enough to hate you, you'll have made it farther than most. :p Most guys are at the "two weekends a month" phase by then.

As a cyborg, I'll be working every day by that point. Of course, I get to retire when I'm like 300 or so for the next century, but I still have to work my ass off in the meantime...

So, I work 300 out of every 400 years. I could do that for eternity, provided I get a nice salary and a good connection to the simulated reality network.

I realised today that I do want to get married and have kids. I realised that this is important because I am the only Muslim in my family and if I don't have kids, Islam dies with me. So I want children so that I can pass on Islam to them. But not so much that I brainwash them and they are Muslim because they don't know anything else. I want them to accept Islam because its what they really believe in. So do you want kids, and why?

Bad idea. Very, very, very bad idea.
Your kids may believe in Islam, but chances are that they will not. Children tend to do things differently from their parents. They have a tendency not only to not share their beliefs after a certain age, but to even go actively against them.
If you want to pass on Islam, you've got a better chance by just immitating Jehova's Witnesses and preach it by going from door to door.


I want kids because it'll be something that my boyfriend and I created, and I'm curious what they will be like.

I don't want kids, and it's so damn hard to find a woman who doesn't want kids either.

I don't want kids, and it's so damn hard to find a woman who doesn't want kids either.

Sad but true. :(

Sad but true. :(

I mean when women look at kids it's like Awwww he's so cuuuutteeee! However when I look at kids, I see sleepness night, having to clean up anything from vomit to markers on the wall and the really expensive vase that you can only get from Italy. I also see huge bills that'll only get bigger as they grow older, and ugh. No kids for me at all.

My genes don't need passing on. I can pass on my beliefs and ideas in other ways. And I'll save money and frustration. I can do without kids.

I mean when women look at kids it's like Awwww he's so cuuuutteeee! However when I look at kids, I see sleepness night, having to clean up anything from vomit to markers on the wall and the really expensive vase that you can only get from Italy. I also see huge bills that'll only get bigger as they grow older, and ugh. No kids for me at all.

Careful there. I never wanted kids before... I'm well into my 30s now, and only now my current bf managedto convince me that it'll be an experience that's worth it.
Before that, I would have said exactly the same things you just did. ;)

Careful there. I never wanted kids before... I'm well into my 30s now, and only now my current bf managedto convince me that it'll be an experience that's worth it.
Before that, I would have said exactly the same things you just did. ;)

Oh comon, if you don't want kids, then why are you letting your boyfriend talk you into it? Every time I date a woman, and she brings up kids, I just tell her right off the bat that I do not want kids, I am not a kid person, and then they usually break it off with me. Ah well.

Oh comon, if you don't want kids, then why are you letting your boyfriend talk you into it? Every time I date a woman, and she brings up kids, I just tell her right off the bat that I do not want kids, I am not a kid person, and then they usually break it off with me. Ah well.

Search me. All I can say is that after having helped to raise my 14 cousins, I usually avoided children as far as possible.
I broke of one relationship because he wanted to have kids.

I don't really feel talked into this now, although I realise that it sounds a lot like I was. It's just that right now, and with my current BF, I can imagine having kids one day.
There's a little more to that story, but I feel it's too private to post it here. It happened before I met my current BF, though, and it made me realise that having kids wouldn't bethe end of the world for me as I previously had thought.

But not so much that I brainwash them and they are Muslim because they don't know anything else. I want them to accept Islam because its what they really believe in.

Don't count your eggs before the chickens hatch *nods head*

I feel that I would make an excellent father, and honestly that's all I want in life. For my son or daughter to heed my advice, and ignore it. For them to turn out as I want, and the exact opposite. Regardless of what my kids end up doing, they'll always essentially be me, and the only thing I love more than myself...is something that is essentially me, but better. :D

It's weird, I have some sort of paternal instinct that tends to rear its head when around children. Which probably isn't helped by me being told, with a fairly high frequency, that I'd be a good parent.

I really couldn't care less if they share my genes or not, that's not what's important to me. The act of helping a person to grow and develop mentally is much more important to me than the act of physical creation.

As to passing on my beliefs. That's a slightly tougher issue. What I would like to do is be a living example of beliefs and practices. I'd want to show them different ways of doing things to my own. I'd want to talk to my children about these issues and tell them why I choose to do things the way I do, and ask them what they think. I would absolutely love to see them critically analysing what I shown them and told them. Ideally I would want to them to at least share some of my beliefs. Mainly I would like them to have a libertarian streak, be accepting and tolerant, and hopefully an interest in social justice.

:)

It's weird, I have some sort of paternal instinct that tends to rear its head when around children. Which probably isn't helped by me being told, with a fairly high frequency, that I'd be a good parent.

When I'm around children. I get even more arrogant, mocking and disdainful than usual (which is very). For some reason they don't seem to mind *scratches head*

When I'm around children. I get even more arrogant, mocking and disdainful than usual (which is very). For some reason they don't seem to mind *scratches head*

I'm the same way.

I act identical to Dr. Cox from Scrubs, and all they do is flock to me more. What do I have to do hit them?:mad:

i really don't know if i do or do not want kids

I want kids. I want two girls and two boys. I want a wife. I also want a cop, a criminal and a two-person boat.
Wins the thread! :D

Careful there. I never wanted kids before... I'm well into my 30s now, and only now my current bf managedto convince me that it'll be an experience that's worth it.
Before that, I would have said exactly the same things you just did. ;)

And that's why I've not had a vasectomy yet. Kids might - in my current opininon - be a really stupid idea, but who knows what I'll think in five, ten, fifteen years? Plenty of time to get hit on the head by a meteorite.
I'm leaning more towards "for" than "against" at the moment, though; I could save myself from my possible future self...

Edit: it did come as a surprise to read your first post in this thread, actually.

I used to think that I wanted kid's to continue my family line, but then I saw throughout my life that they are simply bothersome, and I know I would go insane waking up every morning for 18+ years with them in my house.

I know this sounds very selfish but, kid's just don't seem to be worth the bother you go through.

I'm the same way.

I act identical to Dr. Cox from Scrubs, and all they do is flock to me more. What do I have to do hit them?:mad:

That probably wouldn't work either. Even people that aren't kids always seem to follow me and ask me questions. I must look like I know what I'm doing or exude some sort of leader vibe. Which from a navigation standpoint is usually true. Everything else. Not so much.

If you still around by the time they're old enough to hate you, you'll have made it farther than most. :p Most guys are at the "two weekends a month" phase by then.
I should be around when they reach their 7th birthday...

I should be around when they reach their 7th birthday...

Well, be sure to post here when that day comes, 'cause it'd be a record worth noting among the cases i've seen.. My parents got along a respectable 5 years, and a friend's got to 6.. :p The average, I'd say, is about three years until things blow up with the new generation, judging from co-workers and friends.

The youngest I've seen real resentment set in with the kids is about 6 years old or so, so 7 should put you over the top if you can endure. :)

I don't want kids mostly because I don't want to have sex. I guess I could adopt someday, but I don't know if they let single people adopt, and I can't get married because of the whole sex thing.

I don't want kids mostly because I don't want to have sex. I guess I could adopt someday, but I don't know if they let single people adopt, and I can't get married because of the whole sex thing.

Just curious. Why don't you like sex?

I don't want kids mostly because I don't want to have sex. I guess I could adopt someday, but I don't know if they let single people adopt, and I can't get married because of the whole sex thing.

Ditto for me, only I am lucky enough to find children about as tolerable as a bath of concentrated hydrochloric acid, so for me thats no great loss :D

I don't want kids mostly because I don't want to have sex. I guess I could adopt someday, but I don't know if they let single people adopt, and I can't get married because of the whole sex thing.

That's being a little bit pessimistic isn't it? I guess it's probably true though.

Just curious. Why don't you like sex?

Same reason other people do. The way that the brain is wired.

I'm undecided. I've been told I would be a good parent, but I find I feel quite uncomfortable around children, not knowing what to do/say etc. But the idea of seeing a person grow and mature and experience the world, with a little help from me, is quite an attractive thing. I suppose finding a partner would be the first hurdle to overcome.

That's being a little bit pessimistic isn't it? I guess it's probably true though.



Same reason other people do. The way that the brain is wired.

Yeah, it probably is kind of pessimistic, but I think it probably is true.

Yes.

Ditto for me, only I am lucky enough to find children about as tolerable as a bath of concentrated hydrochloric acid, so for me thats no great loss :D

Ah. I like children in general, and I tutor elementary school kids twice a week. But I can definitely live without having any of my own at any point.

Just curious. Why don't you like sex?

I'm asexual. It's the way I am.

I'm asexual. It's the way I am.

You should consider yourself lucky that you internally agree on the matter. I don't -_-.

do not indoctrinate your children, and do not have children for the sole purpose of spreading a religion. I'll be watching you.

sorry, ticked the wrong box there
i meant to go for "to experience the love and joy of it"

I realised that this is important because I am the only Muslim in my family and if I don't have kids, Islam dies with me.

Islam dies with you?
I don't know, I think there may be a few million people who'd disagree with you.

If the ONLY reason you have for having kids is to pass on religion to them, I'm not sure that's healthy for either you or them -- and you may end up being disappointed and having them choose either atheism or another flavor of religion anyway.

I realised today that I do want to get married and have kids. I realised that this is important because I am the only Muslim in my family and if I don't have kids, Islam dies with me. So I want children so that I can pass on Islam to them. But not so much that I brainwash them and they are Muslim because they don't know anything else. I want them to accept Islam because its what they really believe in. So do you want kids, and why?

I don't. I want to live alone in a city apartment in California.

I don't want kids, and it's so damn hard to find a woman who doesn't want kids either.

I don't want 'em for the simple reason that I have five nieces and a nephew, and 400 teenagers each year. Thank God I found a guy who agrees with me.

I guess I could adopt someday, but I don't know if they let single people adopt,

They do, in some states, if you can prove you would provide a stable, safe environment for them (that is, you have a good job and can provide for them emotionally as well as financially).

do not indoctrinate your children, and do not have children for the sole purpose of spreading a religion. I'll be watching you.

Do not make vague threats. We'll be watching YOU.

I don't want kids, never wanted them. Don't think that will change, either.

I want kids. I want two girls and two boys. I want a wife. I also want a cop, a criminal and a two-person boat.I think I love you.

I don't want kids mostly because I don't want to have sex. I guess I could adopt someday, but I don't know if they let single people adopt, and I can't get married because of the whole sex thing.

Well, you could always marry someone else who is asexual if you live in one of the States that does not allow singles to adopt. The beauty is you both get tax reductions!


I want a lot of kids. Dozens. I'll grow a personality cult around me, and hopefully a few of them will fulfill any dreams I have left over in my old age. With enough kids, chances are, one will turn out awesome enough.

Though I could just adopt some. I'm under the idea that kids are like one of those kid simulators. Ala Princess Maker. Ya raise a kid, and you find out how it turns out. If you do a good job, your ego goes up and you can brag about it. Kids are also a nice hobby.

And that's why I've not had a vasectomy yet. Kids might - in my current opininon - be a really stupid idea, but who knows what I'll think in five, ten, fifteen years? Plenty of time to get hit on the head by a meteorite.
I'm leaning more towards "for" than "against" at the moment, though; I could save myself from my possible future self...

Edit: it did come as a surprise to read your first post in this thread, actually.

Why?

There will be no children in this house. I am not even close to maternal, I have no patience, and I really don't like kids. Plus, given our own personalities and the family history, we'd have a bigger than usual chance to produce a kid with an autistic spectrum disorder. I don't want to subject a kid to that. Or myself. But mostly the kid.

I realised today that I do want to get married and have kids. I realised that this is important because I am the only Muslim in my family and if I don't have kids, Islam dies with me. So I want children so that I can pass on Islam to them. But not so much that I brainwash them and they are Muslim because they don't know anything else. I want them to accept Islam because its what they really believe in. So do you want kids, and why?

Well, I wasn't particularly eager to have kids. I knew I wanted it eventually because it just seems like it's part of life. Reaching old age without having kids would be like reaching adulthood without ever having friends to hang out with in adolescence.

But now that I've had kids I see that it really changes you. I knew intellectually that it was part of growing up, but creating a relationship with someone utterly dependent on you changes your relationship with the world.

If you are having kids because you think you need to keep them around for something, or you think they're going to serve a purpose, then you're going to be disappointed. Kids are their own selves right from the beginning. The Jesuits used to have a saying about having kids from the age of seven, but they were never parents. And we all know what happens when you leave your kids in the hands of Catholic Clergy these days.

If your kids embrace Islam, good for you. If they don't want to, there's nothing you can do about it except make them so miserable that they get the hell away from you so they can reject Islam, and you, in peace.

I would like children for numerous reasons. Firstly I just like them, I like being around them they seem to make people happy and feel young. Also I see every new child as an oppurtunity to make a new person, a good person who can have a positive impact on the world.

If i could not have my own children i would adopts and try to raise them the best I can.

I didn't want kids, but it happened and I have a son now, and now that I have a son, I certainly do want more in the foreseeable future because I've realized the joy having a child brings. I couldn't imagine life without him now... I do wish I waited until I was ready (14 years old is not ready by any spec of the imagination), but hey, life does some crazy things.

Why do I want another one? Well, like I said, the joy my son gives me is just unimaginable and I like raising children... plus I want to do a better job than my parents (who absolutely sucked at it), and a brother or sister for Tanner wouldn't hurt at all. I wasn't an only child, and it sure would've been boring growing up without 'em.

I was adamant from the beginning that I never wanted children. Older kids I could stand, that's why I trained to teach at the high school level. Little kids? No. Babies? No, don't want to hold them, thanks. Just no interest, whatsoever.

And then I changed my mind at 23. Part of what influenced me was being around little kids again, helping my cousins out, babysitting grudgingly...and this one little four year old named Riley who was just...cool. Really cool. He saw the world in the most awesome way, and made you look at it like that too. So at 24, I had my first daughter.

I love the perspective little kids have. It's really amazing. It's not just quirky or immature or silly...when they ask "WHY"...you actually have to consider things you've just taken for granted, and sometimes that's quite a mind bender.

My brothers and I have a great relationship with our parents (now), and with one another. I want that sort of relationship with my kids. In raising them, I'm looking to give them a skill set. Oh sure, I'll be an influence ideologically and spiritually, but I want them to always question it.

It's important to me that they are raised with a good grasp of their aboriginal traditions, but I can't make them continue on in that vein. I just have to do my best to make it as appealing as possible...the rest is up to them.

Mostly, I'm just enjoying seeing them grow. Really, it's so much better than sea monkeys. :D

I didn't want kids, but it happened and I have a son now, and now that I have a son, I certainly do want more in the foreseeable future because I've realized the joy having a'child brings. I couldn't imagine life without him now... That's the thing...I never would have believed it before I had kids, but a part of me now wonders why I waited so long to have kids.

The other parts of me strangle that traitorous part to death each morning though.

But really...what the hell did I do before I had kids?

Looking at my genetic state, no kids for me.

After me and my fiancee get married in 2009 we'll be more financially secure and I hope to adopt a kid then. :cool:

After me and my fiancee get married in 2009 we'll be more financially secure and I hope to adopt a kid then. :cool:

We've thought about adopting too...ugh, what a process. It's almost easier to just go through another pregnancy.

Of course, that's not really the point. But still. International adoptions are even more ridiculously difficult.

So we'll see. I originally wanted four kids, we've got two...I think we might be done.

We're two dudes, adoption is the only way, unless... the baby is carried by someone else! -gasp-

I'd love to have kids when I'm older, but it's not going to happen naturally. I have no problem with adoption, and I would definitely adopt if I felt my situation was right.

to pass on my genes and my memes.

We're two dudes, adoption is the only way, unless... the baby is carried by someone else! -gasp-

I know a woman who'd love a man to just impregnate her and disappear...but not any that'd want to go through a pregnancy for someone else, sorry :(

Not to say there aren't lovely surrogate mothers out there, just waiting for the right gay couple to come along:D

Umm...Sorry to rain on your parade, Soviestan, but given you support a man's right to beat his wife, you're probably either going to have a wife with extremely liberal views on sexuality (:D) , or not have on at all.

Judging by this thread within the century the growth rate of civilized nations will plummet resulting in a severe shortage of workers and subsequent collapse of the world economy.

The end is near.

I know a woman who'd love a man to just impregnate her and disappear...but not any that'd want to go through a pregnancy for someone else, sorry :(

Not to say there aren't lovely surrogate mothers out there, just waiting for the right gay couple to come along:DI've heard of some horrible stories where the mother had a change of heart and kept the child. :eek: Awkward.

Judging by this thread within the century the growth rate of civilized nations will plummet resulting in a severe shortage of workers and subsequent collapse of the world economy.

Nah, bioenhancement, man-machine integration, longevity and rejuvenation, strong AI and robotics, and superhuman processing power will more than make up for the lack of population growth. We'll be moving beyond the need for human population replacement in no more than a quarter century. We won't need more people, because we can build better replacements and preserve/enhance the ones we still have for indefinite periods of time.

People can have kids, but it will be a purely personal decision and not one of economic or practical necessity. And that is a very good thing.

I don't want kids.

I like children, generally, but I don't think I'm willing to invest the time and energy to raise them well, and I don't think I'd make a very good father.

I've heard of some horrible stories where the mother had a change of heart and kept the child. :eek: Awkward.

That's what my friend is worried about in terms of the father...she wants some way to guarantee he gets her pregnant, then has no further claims. I don't think such a guarantee exists, however.

I want kids because it's the species needs me to have kids and other typical reasons. But mainly I want to continue my species...I hate when people don't want kids or only have one. At least replace yourselves. I also hate when people have kids at like 40. Have it in your 20s when you are supposed to...well actually you're supposed to at like 15 but meh.

Why?

Because I've seen you say, several times, that kids weren't for you. And that you disliked them, IIRC. Also, I guess I assumed someone in her thirties would have made up her mind!

Shows what I know, yes? ;p

Judging by this thread within the century the growth rate of civilized nations will plummet resulting in a severe shortage of workers and subsequent collapse of the world economy.

The end is near.

Oh well, what a shame. Never mind!

Nah, bioenhancement, man-machine integration, longevity and rejuvenation, strong AI and robotics, and superhuman processing power will more than make up for the lack of population growth. We'll be moving beyond the need for human population replacement in no more than a quarter century. We won't need more people, because we can build better replacements and preserve/enhance the ones we still have for indefinite periods of time.

People can have kids, but it will be a purely personal decision and not one of economic or practical necessity. And that is a very good thing.

No that is a very bad thing. *thinks of Children of Men*

The first three.

No that is a very bad thing. *thinks of Children of Men*

Only if fertility were to drop to zero. I seriously doubt that ever happening (barring a major nuclear, biological or chemical war), and as the death rate plunges to almost zero except for voluntary death and possibly disasters/crimes it will provide a major boost to our population by default. Even the lowest birthrates, which are currently around 10 per 1000, would enable us to achieve easily 1% population growth per year, which is more than enough to meet our needs. Plus, don't forget cloning...

I'm ready to enter the next era; it would enable me to achieve all of my goals in life and enable me to learn and explore forever. My human brain and body limit my understanding and ability to experience this universe.

I plan on having a rather large number of children, maybe six or so. First off, I find love is one of the most important, holy emotions a person can feel, and respect this. And having found this love, I wish to consecrate it on the physical as well as the spiritual and mental levels, and liberally. The logical, and natural, result of such action is the bearing of children; indeed, the child is the product and physical proof of a love between two people, and what can keep them together, unite them again when opinions differ.

Besides this, I have a dream that one day, should I survive so long, I might be able to sit in an armchair, talking with my wife, son or daughter and their spouse, and be joyfully playing with my grandchild, bouncing them on my lap as my grandfather did with me. To see the smile, the laughter, of the result of my love and that of my children, would be a moment of indescribable ecstasy.

No thank you. I don't see myself as being a very good parent.

I want a kid just to see where (preferably he, so I can pass my family name on) Why not just ask your daughter to keep her name if she gets married, and to give any children her name?

I'd like to have kids in order to pass my genes... but I know that my kids will hate me for bringing them into this world, so I'm not so decided yet...I can't say I'd blame them.

Only if fertility were to drop to zero. I seriously doubt that ever happening (barring a major nuclear, biological or chemical war), and as the death rate plunges to almost zero except for voluntary death and possibly disasters/crimes it will provide a major boost to our population by default. Even the lowest birthrates, which are currently around 10 per 1000, would enable us to achieve easily 1% population growth per year, which is more than enough to meet our needs. Plus, don't forget cloning...

I'm ready to enter the next era; it would enable me to achieve all of my goals in life and enable me to learn and explore forever. My human brain and body limit my understanding and ability to experience this universe.

I sincerely hope you are in the minority. That is a sad and very scary way to think.

I'm fairly certain that I would like to have kids, if not right this second.

There was a feeling like I should 'pass on the family genes' or something, but I stopped worrying about such nonsense long ago, particularly after my nephew was born. Now my sister is due to give birth to a niece any day now. Friends I grew up with are having kids.

I generally like kids. Not all of them obviously, but in general, I think they're great. If I never had kids, It wouldn't be the end of the world, but I can't help but feel I'd be letting an important part of life pass me by.

I realised today that I do want to get married and have kids. I realised that this is important because I am the only Muslim in my family and if I don't have kids, Islam dies with me. So I want children so that I can pass on Islam to them. But not so much that I brainwash them and they are Muslim because they don't know anything else. I want them to accept Islam because its what they really believe in. So do you want kids, and why?

Are you prepared for possibility that your kids may still choose another religion or atheism? If your main reason for having kids is to turn them to muslims then it may hit really hard if they make different choice.

No thank you. I don't see myself as being a very good parent.

Any particular reason?

I sincerely hope you are in the minority. That is a sad and very scary way to think.

Not really. I'd say most people would like the freedom to do what they want with their bodies and their health.

Even so, it's far less frightening than the people who are willing to allow innocent people to suffer, to have their memories, bodies and minds decay to a stupor and die without any memory of how they lived from preventable degenerative diseases, to offer them up as a human sacrifice in the name of what is "natural" or their own twisted interpretation of morality. That is evil, that is sad, and that is very terrifying to me. If anyone is playing God, it is them, not those who wish to give them freedom to determine what they want to do with themselves. If they feel accepting their illness and preparing for their coming death is best, then they can do so freely. If not, they should be able to choose this option instead of being condemned to what is little more than torture until death.

That terrifies me. I want people to have the freedom and opportunity to do what they want to themselves and to become what they want, from living their biologically determined life or to alter themselves to live indefinitely. Total free choice, no matter what their decision is.

Any particular reason?I don't think I'd be patient enough, especially when the child is misbehaving.

Trust me, Islam won't 'die with you'.



I know. I was speaking about within my family. Having kids is a good way to spread Islam though. If I have two kids, and they are Muslim, and they have two kids who are Muslim, etc.

I don't think I'd be patient enough, especially when the child is misbehaving.

As good a reason as any I guess. Are you around kids much at all? Sometimes having nieces or nephews will give you an indication of how you think you might fare.

Personally, in addition to having nieces and nephews, I've spent part of my adult life more or less babysitting grownups. Kids would be a pleasant change.

How are you going to ensure they really believe in it without brainwashing them?

Because while I will show them things like why the deen and the Qur'an are amazing, I will probably also tell them about other faiths and beliefs and let them decide, but I am confident they will accept Islam.

Someone's going to have to get this account to one googol posts.

Kids change the way you look at life. You get to experience things through their eyes as if it is new again.

I don't think I'd be patient enough, especially when the child is misbehaving.

I don't think I'd be patient enough if the child ever came to me and said, "Oh, Dad, you should know - I've become a hard-core right-winger."

No child of mine....

And, of course, it would be wrong to brainwash him or her.

I dont know about having children

I don't want 'em for the simple reason that I have five nieces and a nephew, and 400 teenagers each year. Thank God I found a guy who agrees with me.

Can you tell me where the "don't want children" women hides?

Can you tell me where the "don't want children" women hides?

One is engaged to me. I am not entirely sure yet if I myself don't want a few though.

I don't think I'd be patient enough if the child ever came to me and said, "Oh, Dad, you should know - I've become a hard-core right-winger."

No child of mine....

And, of course, it would be wrong to brainwash him or her.The thought brings chills down my spine.

One day yes, I would like to have children.


On a side note.. With topics such as this, it's really easy to see who are the young and who are the old(er) here. :D

On a side note.. With topics such as this, it's really easy to see who are the young and who are the old(er) here. :D

How old am I?

One day yes, I would like to have children.


On a side note.. With topics such as this, it's really easy to see who are the young and who are the old(er) here. :DOh really?

I'd like to someday have little me's running around. Partially for the whole passing on the genes and the family name, but mostly because I think it would be fun/meaningful to have little squirts. Plus I get to fill their heads with all the nonsense my dad filled mine with.

Not really. I'd say most people would like the freedom to do what they want with their bodies and their health.

Even so, it's far less frightening than the people who are willing to allow innocent people to suffer, to have their memories, bodies and minds decay to a stupor and die without any memory of how they lived from preventable degenerative diseases, to offer them up as a human sacrifice in the name of what is "natural" or their own twisted interpretation of morality. That is evil, that is sad, and that is very terrifying to me. If anyone is playing God, it is them, not those who wish to give them freedom to determine what they want to do with themselves. If they feel accepting their illness and preparing for their coming death is best, then they can do so freely. If not, they should be able to choose this option instead of being condemned to what is little more than torture until death.

That terrifies me. I want people to have the freedom and opportunity to do what they want to themselves and to become what they want, from living their biologically determined life or to alter themselves to live indefinitely. Total free choice, no matter what their decision is.

Free choice isn't always a good thing. What happens when some EMP is used and every cyborg is deactivated because people like you refuse to have babies and think its not a good idea. Anyone who doesn't want kids for reasons like that doesn't deserve to exist IMO.

I've never been even remotely interested in having children, but my partner really wants them. I'm also at the age where its now or never. It's a tricky one - but its useful to hear (read) all your opinions about it :)

I want 11 children for a football team. They'll all be in the England starting XI and I'll be proudest Dad on the block.

I want people to have the freedom and opportunity to do what they want to themselves

They won't.

They will have the option of radical technological "enhancement" or radical social and economic marginalization.

Those who choose to be "unenhanced" will end up the poor cast-offs of society. Just as those who can't stand modern education or labor end up as poor cast-offs in ours.

I want 11 children for a football team. They'll all be in the England starting XI and I'll be proudest Dad on the block.

That would be interesting. Especially if they were three sets of triplets and one pair of twins.

I don't want kids. Whatever amount of money and time I will have I'll need for me. Besides, it seems all kids grow up to hate their parents, who wants to deal with that?

They do, in some states, if you can prove you would provide a stable, safe environment for them (that is, you have a good job and can provide for them emotionally as well as financially).

I guess that's a possible option for me someday then. Thank you, I wasn't sure.:)

the best thing about having kids as i think of it is to experience unconditional love and devotion and easy fun (i don't mean easy as in i think child rearing is effortless, i mean the ease with which a child can be amused). i'd also want the chance to offer someone excitement and an interesting environment to grow up in if i can rather than the haven of mediocrity, unfulfilled ambition and constant snippage i grew up in.

To force my political ideals on them.

You are teh ebil! :(

I won't force my kids to be fascist, they'll just have to follow my rules as long as they live under my roof.

Does New York allow gay couples to adopt? Probably; it's one of the more sane states in the union. I know Florida has a straight out amendment to their constitution explicitly using the word "homosexual" to ban it. Idiots.

Does New York allow gay couples to adopt? Probably; it's one of the more sane states in the union. I know Florida has a straight out amendment to their constitution explicitly using the word "homosexual" to ban it. Idiots.

Won't that screw up the child's mental development? :confused:

Won't that screw up the child's mental development? :confused:
Are you actually serious?

Won't that screw up the child's mental development? :confused:

I worked with DCFS for several years.

No it won't.

Won't that screw up the child's mental development? :confused:

Did being raised by straight parents screw up yours?

Won't that screw up the child's mental development? :confused:Nope... not at all.

Why do you ask?

Did being raised by straight parents screw up yours?

Are you a communist? Of course it didn't!

You are teh ebil! :(

I won't force my kids to be fascist, they'll just have to follow my rules as long as they live under my roof.

Kids like believing the exact opposite of what their parents think anyway so you have nothing to fear. :p

Are you a communist?

Yep. And I'm one of those evil non-straight perverts, too.

Of course it didn't!

Both questions are equally absurd.

Yep. And I'm one of those evil non-straight perverts, too.



Both questions are equally absurd.

I didn't get the point of your question on the straitness of my parents and how it effected me. That question is more absurd than mine if mine are even absurd.

Won't that screw up the child's mental development? :confused:

Probably less than your mental development was screwed up.

Probably less than your mental development was screwed up.

Dude it was society that screwed me up. The social disability I have got me bullied a whole bunch so I'm now a fascist who suffers short man syndrome (even though I'm not short) My parents had nothing to do with it. Heck they don't know I'm fascist. :D