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http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/03/28/marines.tattoos.ap/index.html

I say if they can go die for their country, let them get a tattoo for God's sake.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/03/28/marines.tattoos.ap/index.html

I say if they can go die for their country, let them get a tattoo for God's sake.

If I can't go to my job with a giant skull on my arms, why the hell can they?

Doesn't really surprise me. The military is really picky about their image.
When I was in training for the AF we were told we could not get any tatoos that would show while wearing uniforms. Women were not allowed to have their navals pierced either (though who sees THAT while in uniform). I got my ass chewed when I went to the hospital one night and they found out I had one. Their reasoning behind the rules (so my instructor told us)? Once you join the military you become the property of the government.

If I can't go to my job with a giant skull on my arms, why the hell can they?

A: You're a lawyer. Lawyers wear suits. How the hell would anyone KNOW what you have tattooed on your arm?

B: Why the hell shouldn't you be able to go to your job with a giant skull on your arms?

I can see them not wanting tattoos showing outside of your uniform just like most employers would hope for froman employee, but i don't see why anywhere else would matter :(

Personally I'd kill myself before they are able to draft me, Military restrictions and all are really, really stupid. They can get shot and die, but you can enlist at 17 years old. Can't drink, can't smoke. I'm not going to fight for a country that does not care about me.

They're having trouble enlisting anyways, this is making it harder for them, but they're just stupid. I don't respect most Military men anyways.

:headbang: :sniper:

Wow, that is retarded. You'd think with the lack of recruits they'd let people with any type of tattoo, or let current members get tattoos if that keeps them happy...

Personally I'd kill myself before they are able to draft me, Military restrictions and all are really, really stupid. They can get shot and die, but you can enlist at 17 years old. Can't drink, can't smoke. I'm not going to fight for a country that does not care about me.

They're having trouble enlisting anyways, this is making it harder for them, but they're just stupid. I don't respect most Military men anyways.

:headbang: :sniper:


So your a cowardly draft dodger are you? Not surprising, it seems like most people are cowards these days.

So your a cowardly draft dodger are you? Not surprising, it seems like most people are cowards these days.

I forgot, objecting to slavery is cowardly.

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I forgot, objecting to slavery is cowardly.

<edit: you know I don't know why I even bothered to reply to someone who actually has troll IN THEIR NAME>

Haha, I never even thought about that when I created my country! I didn't even know there was a forum when I started playing! Anyway, the Troll in my name is the mythical creature troll mixed with the gaard from Asgaard, home of the Norse Gods. Just a fun name I came up with.;)


Oh, and how is being asked to defend and serve your country slavery?

So your a cowardly draft dodger are you? Not surprising, it seems like most people are cowards these days.

I'm not a coward, and first of all I live in the United States. I'm not going to fight for a country that gives a rats ass about me.

They couldn't make me join anyways, I have flat feet :P

Haha, I never even thought about that when I created my country! I didn't even know there was a forum when I started playing! Anyway, the Troll in my name is the mythical creature troll mixed with the gaard from Asgaard, home of the Norse Gods. Just a fun name I came up with.;)


Oh, and how is being asked to defend and serve your country slavery?

Not asked. FORCED. Forced servitude is forbidden except as punishment for a crime so sayeth the constitution.

Oh, and how is being asked to defend and serve your country slavery?

The idea of being drafted is that you aren't asked. It's pointing a gun at your head and saying "Do this, or you'll suffer". Not a gun anymore, but they used to throw those who said no into jail when they had the draft. In other words, conscript armies. Join or suffer the consequences.

The idea of being drafted is that you aren't asked. It's pointing a gun at your head and saying "Do this, or you'll suffer". Not a gun anymore, but they used to throw those who said no into jail when they had the draft. In other words, conscript armies. Join or suffer the consequences.

True, but if your nation is in danger, you should accept either joining the military, or being drafted as your responsibility to defend it.

True, but if your nation is in danger, you should accept either joining the military, or being drafted as your responsibility to defend it.

Even if I don't agree that my country is in danger? Or if I believe I can do a better job defending it outside of military restrictions? What about if I object to killing and will not aid others in killing by repairing their gear or healing them so they can kill more people and/or die in battle themselves?

Considering the increasing amounts of peacekeeping activities, and other not-actual-full-out-war duties that the US military has to perform it's hardly surprising that the top brass don't want their grunts covered in huge skull tattoos on their forearms.

True, but if your nation is in danger, you should accept either joining the military, or being drafted as your responsibility to defend it.

Or, y'know, do what millions of women and men who couldn't join the military did in World War 2: Do your service on the homefront. Work in the industries that supply the armed forces. Minister to those left behind. Keep the country running so those deployed have something to come home to. Join or form a civil air patrol. Make socks for the boys. Pray for peace. Wartime service isn't limited to military service.

Besides, as I said in another thread, the military doesn't want me. Or redwulf, for that matter. I have a bad ankle, he's missing a kidney. But now he has a lovely decorative scar! And a sister who's alive and not on dialysis, so methinks it's a good trade.

A: You're a lawyer. Lawyers wear suits. How the hell would anyone KNOW what you have tattooed on your arm?


I know a woman lawyer who got kicked out of a courtroom by the judge because he saw a small rose tattoo on her ankle. She can't wear skirt suits in that judges courtroom, and in others, she uses makeup to cover it. Luckily, it's a small one, and she can cover it.

Every profession has standards of conduct and a "dress code", for lack of a better term. These Marines haven't been drafted, they chose to enter the Marines. By doing so, they agreed to follow any rules/orders/standards they are given. If they don't like it, then they can opt not to re-enlist, and get their tats then.

Do I think it's fair...I don't know. I don't think it's fair that my friend can't wear what she wants to her job, providing it is within the accepted dress code, because it shows a small, tasteful tattoo on her ankle. It's an interesting discussion.

There has to be standards and they have to draw the line somewhere.

I dont think a row of skulls down a forearm helps project the image the Marine Corp wants.

they are in the millitary. they signed up willingly. there are rules in the millitary. this is one of them.

whats the problem?

I can see what they are saying really, it's like the guy I saw at my sons parents evening the other week, he had tattoos all over his neck, face and head, lots of facial piercings and he was also carrying a pet rat around with him whilst he was talking to the teachers, it was climbing about on his body and it was fairly freaky and intimidating. I think that there has to be a line drawn somewhere for what the forces accept and don't, if people want to do that to themselves, then that's great, but it probably does limit their choice of ummmm career...I don't see many GP's or TV reporters with spiders webs tattooed on their faces.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/03/28/marines.tattoos.ap/index.html

I say if they can go die for their country, let them get a tattoo for God's sake.
Given the current recruitment issues, I'd say it's fucking stupid for any branch of the US military to be making the service LESS appealing for potential recruits, or to make continued service LESS appealing for those who have enlisted.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/03/28/marines.tattoos.ap/index.html

I say if they can go die for their country, let them get a tattoo for God's sake.

Yea...and then you can let them chose their own uniforms the men can wear make up:rolleyes:

Having skull head tattoos may seem cool in internet world, but are not universally accepted in the real world

Given the current recruitment issues, I'd say it's fucking stupid for any branch of the US military to be making the service LESS appealing for potential recruits, or to make continued service LESS appealing for those who have enlisted.

You know bureaucrats don't live the real world, that's why they make such decisions.

Given the current recruitment issues, I'd say it's fucking stupid for any branch of the US military to be making the service LESS appealing for potential recruits, or to make continued service LESS appealing for those who have enlisted.

The US military mut be closet pacifists *nods*

True, but if your nation is in danger, you should accept either joining the military, or being drafted as your responsibility to defend it.

Drafting has not been used that often in recent US history for defensive measures. Other nations usually had more valid excuses for drafts (like being invaded), but not always.

But really, that's the only two scenarios where drafts have been used extensively. To defend a nation against invaders or to go around invading other countries.

If I can't go to my job with a giant skull on my arms, why the hell can they?

What! What job do you do?

A: You're a lawyer. Lawyers wear suits. How the hell would anyone KNOW what you have tattooed on your arm?

I can't wear white shirts to work. Know why? Because I have a small, quite discrete tattoo on my right shoulder, and if I wear a white shirt it shows through (even lawyers do take their jackets off, now and then).

B: Why the hell shouldn't you be able to go to your job with a giant skull on your arms?

Why the hell should a professional not be expected to behave professionally, is that what you're asking?

The Military has a tough time peruading the Iraqis that their troops are not part of a demonic army of evil infidels. Having images of them walking around with human skulls tattooed all the way up their arms is not going to help.

Why the hell should a professional not be expected to behave professionally, is that what you're asking?
A tattoo is not behavior. A tattoo is passive. It does not do anything. People with tattoos can behave professionally, and people without tattoos can behave unprofessionally.

I have no problem with dress codes or uniforms for employees, but a tattoo is not something you can take off and then put back on at will. I don't think it is legit to compare tats with clothing choices, particularly if we are talking about tattoos that the individual already has.

Haha, I never even thought about that when I created my country! I didn't even know there was a forum when I started playing! Anyway, the Troll in my name is the mythical creature troll mixed with the gaard from Asgaard, home of the Norse Gods. Just a fun name I came up with.;)


Oh, and how is being asked to defend and serve your country slavery?

And how is saying no i won't do that draft dodging?

Yea...and then you can let them chose their own uniforms the men can wear make up:rolleyes:

Having skull head tattoos may seem cool in internet world, but are not universally accepted in the real world

make it sound like if they let tattoos in they will turn gay and change the slogan to "the few, the proud, the fabulous"

the millitary way of life of many rules regulations is what bands them together. it is also what helps them have pride in their branch. the more strict the rules and regulations are the tighter the group is going to be. the tighter the group the more pride they have in their unit. the more pride they have in their unit means they have more of an invested interest to succeed as a unit.

A tattoo is not behavior. A tattoo is passive. It does not do anything. People with tattoos can behave professionally, and people without tattoos can behave unprofessionally.

I have no problem with dress codes or uniforms for employees, but a tattoo is not something you can take off and then put back on at will. I don't think it is legit to compare tats with clothing choices, particularly if we are talking about tattoos that the individual already has.

to the extent that the tattoo is visible while wearing standard work clothing, sure we can. Employers have the right to expect employees to appear in a certain professional way. I have a tattoo. I can cover it up. Sometimes it will show through if I wear a white shirt, so I don't wear white shirts to work.

The question is one of appearance and an employer has the right to set certain standards for professional appearance, and if you can't meet that standard well...tough.

to the extent that the tattoo is visible while wearing standard work clothing, sure we can. Employers have the right to expect employees to appear in a certain professional way. I have a tattoo. I can cover it up. Sometimes it will show through if I wear a white shirt, so I don't wear white shirts to work.

Within reason, I have no problem with this. I cover my own tattoo whenever I have to "dress up" for work. (Normally it's t-shirt and jeans, but sometimes I have to go business-style). But I made a point to leave my tat visible when I was interviewing because it's there, and it's not going anywhere. I'm not about to work for somebody who thinks that having a tattoo is that big a problem.


The question is one of appearance and an employer has the right to set certain standards for professional appearance, and if you can't meet that standard well...tough.
*Shrug*

Like I said, I wouldn't work for anybody who made that big a stink over tats. That's just way too twitchy for me to put up with.

True, but if your nation is in danger, you should accept either joining the military, or being drafted as your responsibility to defend it.

Why?

first of all I live in the United States

What the hell has that got to do with anything?

i understand this is off topic. but when people look at this as just some guy with tattoos and not as a marine with tattoos, that is also off topic.

there is a life saving surgery that you need done. and two doctors you can choose to do this surgery. both are equally qualified. both male late 40's been practing medicine for several years now.

doc a: dress shirt and tie with a clean white lab coat. fresh shaven face and combed hair.

doc b: need of a haircut, hair not even attemted to be combed, t-shirt and jeans with tattoos all along his arms. hasnt shaved in a couple of days.

which one do you choose.

its a simple fact of life that people that look more presentable will be trusted more. theres also a lesson in this that just because they look presentable doesnt mean you should trust them though.

there is a life saving surgery that you need done. and two doctors you can choose to do this surgery. both are equally qualified. both male late 40's been practing medicine for several years now.

doc a: dress shirt and tie with a clean white lab coat. fresh shaven face and combed hair.

doc b: need of a haircut, hair not even attemted to be combed, t-shirt and jeans with tattoos all along his arms. hasnt shaved in a couple of days.

which one do you choose.

its a simple fact of life that people that look more presentable will be trusted more. theres also a lesson in this that just because they look presentable doesnt mean you should trust them though.


I'd go for Doc, B, coz if she has the balls to be herself, then she is obivosly more confidante.

Like I said, I wouldn't work for anybody who made that big a stink over tats. That's just way too twitchy for me to put up with.

In my line of work, this would unfortunatly end in you being unemployed for long periods of time.

When I was in the policy was you couldn't have any visible tattoos. In other words, if you decided to get a tattoo on your forearm you basically had to wear long sleeved shirts (while in uniform, not on your own time). It's not as bad as it sounds. Most of the time long sleeves are mandatory anyway. I thought it was a reasonable compromise. The military got to keep their "spit shined" appearance and the soldiers got to keep their self expression. I should also add the long sleeved policy didn't extend to the PT uniform.

I'm very opposed to this new policy. It will be bad for morale. I don't see a point to it. A soldiers civil rights are few enough as it is.

Tattoos are images. Images affect thoughts. The US wants to restrict the thoughts its marines can have. Therefore, it restricts the images they can view.

There are plenty of professions that have codes of conduct including clauses on image. As a teacher, I didn't get to walk into class in ripped jeans and a slutty tank top. Tattoos are an extension of that 'image' issue. It's generally best overall to just get them somewhere easy to hide. Or...find a job where tats are PART of the image.

Why the hell should a professional not be expected to behave professionally, is that what you're asking?

What does having a tattoo have to do with behaving professionally (i.e. showing up to work on time, showing respect to your co-workers, not slacking off on the job, etc.)?

What does having a tattoo have to do with behaving professionally (i.e. showing up to work on time, showing respect to your co-workers, not slacking off on the job, etc.)?

Image, once again. When working with the public, a certain standard is expected in terms of your appearance, in addition to the other factors you've mentioned. That standard is going to vary depending on your particular profession. I'd be a little worried if the guy at the tattoo parlour WASN'T tattooed.

i understand this is off topic. but when people look at this as just some guy with tattoos and not as a marine with tattoos, that is also off topic.

there is a life saving surgery that you need done. and two doctors you can choose to do this surgery. both are equally qualified. both male late 40's been practing medicine for several years now.

doc a: dress shirt and tie with a clean white lab coat. fresh shaven face and combed hair.

doc b: need of a haircut, hair not even attemted to be combed, t-shirt and jeans with tattoos all along his arms. hasnt shaved in a couple of days.

which one do you choose.

You just told me they're both equally qualified so I have no basis for the decision. Which one's nicer?

What does having a tattoo have to do with behaving professionally (i.e. showing up to work on time, showing respect to your co-workers, not slacking off on the job, etc.)?

My job comes with certain expectations as to how I will behave, and how I work. Part of being sucessful as a professional is having people believe you are a professional. No matter how much I show up on time, no matter how I treat my coworkers, no matter how diligent I do my work, no client is going to respect me if I meet with them in jeans and a tshirt.

No matter how much I am a professional, if the people who wish to employ my services don't BELIEVE I am a professional, because I don't LOOK like a professional, I can't do my job, no matter how well I might do it.

You just told me they're both equally qualified so I have no basis for the decision. Which one's nicer?

ahh, but that is actually not what the question should be. It should be, if you were unsure of which one was more qualified, and you had to chose, which one would you consider to be "more qualified"?

My job comes with certain expectations as to how I will behave, and how I work. Part of being sucessful as a professional is having people believe you are a professional. No matter how much I show up on time, no matter how I treat my coworkers, no matter how diligent I do my work, no client is going to respect me if I meet with them in jeans and a tshirt.

No matter how much I am a professional, if the people who wish to employ my services don't BELIEVE I am a professional, because I don't LOOK like a professional, I can't do my job, no matter how well I might do it.

So what's wrong with the old policy of no visible tattooos?

I don't know, but in two years I hope I will be able to get the two tattoos I want.

I don't know, but in two years I hope I will be able to get the two tattoos I want.

You will probably get a nice big US flag as well, plus an attractive wooden box to display it on.

True, but if your nation is in danger, you should accept either joining the military, or being drafted as your responsibility to defend it.

*laughs*

*points*

*continues laughing*

*head falls off*

I agree. Our collection of poor people, crazies, and traditionalists should look good. I dream one day, we won't see the crazy branch of millitary types mowing down civilians with machine gun fire while wearing camo.

They'll be wearing tuxedos.

Having retired after 22yrs of service in the Marine Corps, tats' were ALWAYS frowned upon. The young marines that wanted them were always told to get them where a dress uniform could cover it. I have a few, but none of them can be seen while wearing short sleeves. Lewd tats' were always forbidden.

I think everyone has a right to get tattoos. That being said, I think it is unbecoming of an officer to have a tattoo on his head or hands.

I am not a super fan or opponent of tattoos. I think that they are often sort of trashy when men wear them. However, I think that military service related tattoos are the exception to the rule. I think that a tattoo on the arm or torso that is related to one's military service is perfectly acceptable for a gentleman to sport. There is nothing trashy about it at all.

*laughs*

*points*

*continues laughing*

*head falls off*

So you laugh about defending your nation? You laugh about responsiblity, duty, and honor?

Why?

Why accept it as your responsiblity to defend your nation? Oh I don't know, honor, pride, duty? Those ring bell with you?

So you laugh about defending your nation? You laugh about responsiblity, duty, and honor?

I laugh at the idea that defending your nation is the only way to show responsibility, duty, and honor, and I equally laugh at the notion that those who do serve have any more of those three than anyone else.

How long have you served, I wonder.

I laugh at the idea that defending your nation is the only way to show responsibility, duty, and honor, and I equally laugh at the notion that those who do serve have any more of those three than anyone else.

How long have you served, I wonder.

I haven't, but if I was called up I would go unquestioningly.

People who serve in the armed forces generally don't have a lot of freedom. As stupid as this regulation is, it doesn't surprise me.

I haven't, but if I was called up I would go unquestioningly.

Why wait? I hear they're recruiting in a town near you.

I haven't

Really? Where's your sense of responsibility duty and honor?

Or are you just full of it?
but if I was called up I would go unquestioningly.

Oh but haven't you heard?

http://www.sonofthesouth.net/uncle-sam/images/uncle-sam.jpg

Looks like you're being called up there boy-o.

I think everyone has a right to get tattoos. That being said, I think it is unbecoming of an officer to have a tattoo on his head or hands.

I am not a super fan or opponent of tattoos. I think that they are often sort of trashy when men wear them. However, I think that military service related tattoos are the exception to the rule. I think that a tattoo on the arm or torso that is related to one's military service is perfectly acceptable for a gentleman to sport. There is nothing trashy about it at all.

It's always (as far as I know) been against regs to get them on your head/hands.

Even if I don't agree that my country is in danger? Or if I believe I can do a better job defending it outside of military restrictions? What about if I object to killing and will not aid others in killing by repairing their gear or healing them so they can kill more people and/or die in battle themselves?What if by your inaction more of countrymen end up dead then would have if you joined the military or were drafted into it?

edit: It's nice to see how many pre-pubescent cowards we have posting here. It really helps me feel like more of a man.

What if by your inaction more of countrymen end up dead then would have if you joined the military or were drafted into it.?

Are you another puppet? It's amazing that all of a sudden we have all these pro-war posters with tiny post counts popping up all at once.

What if by your inaction more of countrymen end up dead then would have if you joined the military or were drafted into it.?

What if unicorns and leprauchauns danced together in a magical field at midnight?

Random hypothetical are useless. MOst people have certain convictions, certain points where they will accept certain actions. I could conceivably join our military in certain situations, but not in others.

You fail to define "inaction". If you mean more soldiers, who willingly joined will die in a foreign war if I don't sign up? Well, sorry. That's the job they took.

If you mean me taking up arms might help slow an invasion and save a few innocent lives...yeah, maybe.

True, but if your nation is in danger, you should accept either joining the military, or being drafted as your responsibility to defend it.Aw, heck, I'm glad my great-grandfather didn't, or else he might have died at the hands of the Soviets.

Aw, heck, I'm glad my great-grandfather didn't, or else he might have died at the hands of the Soviets.

And you wouldn't have been born!:eek:

Oh, and how is being asked to defend and serve your country slavery?Getting asked would be recruiting and not the draft.

edit: It's nice to see how many pre-pubescent cowards we have posting here. It really helps me feel like more of a man.

Wow. Just wow. Can I interject here? As a person who knows redwulf? Someone who's lived with him for the past... almost seven years? My husband is neither prepubescent nor a coward. In fact, he is one of the most honorable people I know. The fact that his honor is different than yours (eg, not based on military service) does not make it any more or less valid. Personal attacks have a lot more impact when they have a shred of truth in them.

Wow. Just wow. Can I interject here? As a person who knows redwulf? Someone who's lived with him for the past... almost seven years? My husband is neither prepubescent nor a coward. In fact, he is one of the most honorable people I know. The fact that his honor is different than yours (eg, not based on military service) does not make it any more or less valid. Personal attacks have a lot more impact when they have a shred of truth in them.

I really wouldn't worry about it...we seem to have a few posters dancing on strings to the martial tunes of a single puppetmaster at the moment.

edit: It's nice to see how many pre-pubescent cowards we have posting here. It really helps me feel like more of a man.

And exactly how long have YOU served?

And exactly how long have YOU served?I'm currently retired from the USMC after spending 7 years in uniform.

I'm currently retired from the USMC after spending 7 years in uniform.

just goes to disprove that whole "people in the military have more honor" thing then doesn't it?

Wow. Just wow. Can I interject here? As a person who knows redwulf? Someone who's lived with him for the past... almost seven years? My husband is neither prepubescent nor a coward. In fact, he is one of the most honorable people I know. The fact that his honor is different than yours (eg, not based on military service) does not make it any more or less valid. Personal attacks have a lot more impact when they have a shred of truth in them.First off I can see how this has could come off as a personal attack, but it was not aimed at your husband personally. My post was mainly aimed at people of this sentiment:

Personally I'd kill myself before they are able to draft me, Military restrictions and all are really, really stupid. They can get shot and die, but you can enlist at 17 years old. Can't drink, can't smoke. I'm not going to fight for a country that does not care about me.

They're having trouble enlisting anyways, this is making it harder for them, but they're just stupid. I don't respect most Military men anyways.

You will probably get a nice big US flag as well, plus an attractive wooden box to display it on.

just goes to disprove that whole "people in the military have more honor" thing then doesn't it?Well if there's anything more honorable than defending the constitution of the United States than I don't know what it is.

Well if there's anything more honorable than defending the constitution of the United States than I don't know what it is.

I'm glad you realise the importance of civil rights groups, lawyers, and the judiciary.

Well if there's anything more honorable than defending the constitution of the United States than I don't know what it is.

several billion people would disagree. However more to point, as a career, I do just that.

Took the oath and everything.

I think you have to realize that the army is just a job.
A very dangerous and sometimes morally questionable job, at that.
(Ignore that last sentence if your country isn't at war at the moment. But the US is, and you live in the US, so scratch that.)

Well if there's anything more honorable than defending the constitution of the United States than I don't know what it is.

The army does not defend the constitution of the United States, the army defends the United States itself.
The army would continue defending the United States if the United States became a dictatorship.

God how I loathe 'honour' :mad:

I'm glad you realise the importance of civil rights groups, lawyers, and the judiciary. Cute. Your wit has been honed by tens of thousands of hours trolling internet forums I see.

"I,(your name) , do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

Cute. Your wit has been honed by tens of thousands of hours trolling internet forums I see. Cuter coming from the same poster wanking G-Max et al. here on NSG.

I have a lot more respect for people who actually DO protect the constitution.

Again...civil rights groups, lawyers and the judiciary.

What if by your inaction more of countrymen end up dead then would have if you joined the military or were drafted into it?

edit: It's nice to see how many pre-pubescent cowards we have posting here. It really helps me feel like more of a man.
Don't look now, but it's FLAME BOY! :eek:
Cute. Your wit has been honed by tens of thousands of hours trolling internet forums I see.
And I see you have the foggiest idea what "trolling" is :)

Cuter coming from the same poster wanking G-Max et al. here on NSG.

I have a lot more respect for people who actually DO protect the constitution.

Again...civil rights groups, lawyers and the judiciary.There wouldn't be a constitution to protect if it wasn't for the hundreds of thousands of military personnel who have sacrificed there lives for thus country. Gee and seems like I'm one the few around here who grew up listening to there grandpas talk about storming beaches in some far off land.

I'm not even sure what that top statement meant.

Don't look now, but it's FLAME BOY! :eek:

And I see you have the foggiest idea what "trolling" is :)I'll admit I went over the line in the statement above and I apologize to anyone offended by it.

What if by your inaction more of countrymen end up dead then would have if you joined the military or were drafted into it?

edit: It's nice to see how many pre-pubescent cowards we have posting here. It really helps me feel like more of a man.

we're getting a regular infestation here. Did anyone listen when I said to stock up on flaming oil and acid?

So your a cowardly draft dodger are you? Not surprising, it seems like most people are cowards these days.

Stop me if I'm wrong, but when you're trolling, isn't it supposed to be less obvious? :confused:

Well if there's anything more honorable than defending the constitution of the United States than I don't know what it is.

How exactly does forced servitude (i.e. a draft) DEFEND the constitution? It sounds more like it profanes it.

I'll admit I went over the line in the statement above and I apologize to anyone offended by it.

So sorry that you rushed to edit the post as well, I see ;)

There wouldn't be a constitution to protect if it wasn't for the hundreds of thousands of military personnel who have sacrificed there lives for thus country. Gee and seems like I'm one the few around here who grew up listening to there grandpas talk about storming beaches in some far off land.

While World War 2 was the last war we had any right to fight in, what the hell did it have to do with the constitution? As I recall it was about ending the reign of a genocidal maniac and kicking Japans ass for bombing us preemptively (kinda like we did Iraq).

Cute. Your wit has been honed by tens of thousands of hours trolling internet forums I see.

"I,(your name) , do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."



I (repeat the name) solemnly swear that I will uphold the laws of the United States of America and the Commonwealth of Massachussets. I will do no falsehood, nor consent to the doing of any in court; I will not wittingly or willingly promote or sue any false, groundless, or unlawful suit, or give aid or consent to the same; I will delay no man for lucre or malice; but I will conduct myself in the office of an attorney within the courts according to the best of my knowledge and discretion, and with all good fidelity as well to the courts as my clients.

what's your point?

Do we have any draft dodgers on NSG? I know a few of you guys are old enough...

You will probably get a nice big US flag as well, plus an attractive wooden box to display it on.

Um, next time can you say something constructive, instead of something stupid?