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I came across a 'religious realization' lately that I think is interesting....

You can't be mad at God and not believe in him at the same time.

Thoughts?

I think that's bleeding obvious.

I can be mad at whoever the hell I like and no one can do ought to stop me!:mad:

thats pretty true. (and it made me laugh)

so if you believe in god and are angry at him for the way he organized the universe maybe you need to develop a more sophisticated personal theology.

its not like life is suddenly going to become fair.

I came across a 'religious realization' lately that I think is interesting....

You can't be mad at God and not believe in him at the same time.

Thoughts?

I think this is simple logic as opposed to a "religious realization."

I'm mad at Snape for killing Dumbledore.

But I don't believe Snape exists.

I'm mad at Snape for killing Dumbledore.

But I don't believe Snape exists.

What a tweest!

I'm mad at Snape for killing Dumbledore.

But I don't believe Snape exists.

I was trying to refute that, but I just realised, I cant. Well done.

You can very well be mad at the concept of God, though. Not that it'd be particularly productive.

Well done. Would you like a cookie?

I think that's bleeding obvious.

It's just that I've come across quite a few people who don't believe in God but constantly comment on how God is unfair and how God sucks and that they "hate God". Although when stated outright it seems logical, in life some people don't get it...

I'm mad at Snape for killing Dumbledore.

But I don't believe Snape exists.But you're not mad at Snape for real actions, are you?

I was trying to refute that, but I just realised, I cant. Well done.

Thank you, thank you.

It really can't.

Of course people can feel emotions (whether it be anger, affection, sympathy, fear etc etc) towards/about fictional characters. It is done ALL THE TIME. Ever cry at a movie? Ever hope the protagonist wins?

Of COURSE we do.

But you're not mad at Snape for real actions, are you?

What does that matter? The argument goes, I can't be mad at Snape unless I believe Snape exists.

I'm mad at Snape for killing Dumbledore.

But I don't believe Snape exists.

Though fictional that book exists but do you believe that God exists? If you don't you can't be mad at him.

Thank you, thank you.

It really can't.

Of course people can feel emotions (whether it be anger, affection, sympathy, fear etc etc) towards/about fictional characters. It is done ALL THE TIME. Ever cry at a movie? Ever hope the protagonist wins?

Of COURSE we do.

There's a difference between fictional characters in comic books or on a tv screen and believing whether or not something exists at all, be it material or spiritual world.

Though fictional that book exists but do you believe that God exists? If you don't you can't be mad at him.

Though fictional, the Bible, Torah, and Koran exist...

There's a difference between fictional characters in comic books or on a tv screen and believing whether or not something exists at all, be it material or spiritual world.

Of course, but that's not really supportive of how one cannot feel anger towards a fictional character.

Though fictional that book exists but do you believe that God exists? If you don't you can't be mad at him.
Snape is a character in some books. God is a character in some books. All these books exist.

Snape is a character in some books. God is a character in some books. All these books exist.

Indeed, I thought Utracia was more clever than that. o_O

Snape is a character in some books. God is a character in some books. All these books exist.

So if Snape exists, God exists? And if Snape doesn't exist, God doesn't exist?

So if Snape exists, God exists? And if Snape doesn't exist, God doesn't exist?

You're overthinking this WAY too much!

They're both characters in a book. You can dislike characters in a book REGARDLESS of if they're real or not.


END OF STORY.

Snape is a character in some books. God is a character in some books. All these books exist.

And here I thought God transcends what is written in any book. Or gods for that matter. There are plenty of people who don't believe in any religious texts but still believe in a deity.

But still. Yes.

Indeed, I thought Utracia was more clever than that. o_O

I'm tired, this is what I get trying to argue on only a few hours of sleep.

And here I thought God transcends what is written in any book. Or gods for that matter. There are plenty of people who don't believe in any religious texts but still believe in a deity.

But still. Yes.



I'm tired, this is what I get trying to argue on only a few hours of sleep.

God doesn't transcend anything if you don't believe he exists. But while you can believe he doesn't exist, the point is you can still be mad at him.

So if Snape exists, God exists? And if Snape doesn't exist, God doesn't exist?

Of course, that's known as the harrypotterological proof of God, first coined by St. Thomas Aquinas....

No. :p

You're overthinking this WAY too much!

They're both characters in a book. You can dislike characters in a book REGARDLESS of if they're real or not.


END OF STORY.

Well, in the Bible, for example, God is not merely a character in it, but He is the book itself.

"In the beginning the Word already existed; the Work ws with God, and the Word was God." John 1:1

And if what you say is true, my earlier statement, "You can't be mad at God and not believe in him at the same time." although seeming "obvious" and "logical" is false?

God doesn't transcend anything if you don't believe he exists. But while you can believe he doesn't exist, the point is you can still be mad at him.

You'd still have to care about the concept of God if you are mad at him. You don't get emotional about things you don't give a damn about.

You're overthinking this WAY too much!

They're both characters in a book. You can dislike characters in a book REGARDLESS of if they're real or not.


END OF STORY.

now wait a minute

i may be mad at snape because he killed dumbledore (and i am) but im NOT mad at snape because he killed my nextdoor neighbor after that.

are there really people mad at god because of what he did in the bible? are they ranting "that son-of-a-bitch killed everyone on earth except for noah and his family, he had bear kill kids for mocking a prophet, he coldly killed all the firstborn if egypt when they had done nothing against him, I HATE THAT GUY" or are they saying "god caused the asian tsunami, he caused AIDS, he killed my cat, I HATE THAT GUY!"

once you take the character out of the book and have him doing things in your own life, you believe he exists.

I came across a 'religious realization' lately that I think is interesting....
You can't be mad at God and not believe in him at the same time.But you can be mad at the folks producing certain concepts of "god" and spreading them.

I came across a 'religious realization' lately that I think is interesting....

You can't be mad at God and not believe in him at the same time.

Thoughts?

Sure you can. You can be mad at God for not existing as some religions say he does (in omnipotent, omniscient, omnobenevolent form) and making everything perfect and easy and lovely, which is what you think such a God should do.

Just like you could be mad at the father you never had because he was supposed to be there loving and supporting your growth and helping your mother financially, which is what you think a father should do because that's what social myths have told you about what a father should do.

Those things are irrational, yes. But we do it anyway.

Humans are, for better or worse, not bound by rationality.

Sure you can. You can be mad at God for not existing as some religions say he does (in omnipotent, omniscient, omnobenevolent form) and making everything perfect and easy and lovely, which is what you think such a God should do.

Just like you could be mad at the father you never had because he was supposed to be there loving and supporting your growth and helping your mother financially, which is what you think a father should do because that's what social myths have told you about what a father should do.

Those things are irrational, yes. But we do it anyway.

Humans are, for better or worse, not bound by rationality.

Even if your father (or whoever's father) left when you were still a baby and he wasn't there to be loving and supporting you, you're only mad at the father who existed and left you. Everyone has a father that exists or existed, thus you can be mad at your father for whatever reason.

If you are mad at God because He didn't make everything perfect and nice in your life, then you have to believe in Him existing for Him to do those things. If you don't think He exists, how can he possibly make your life perfect and nice? It's not really irrational, it's just one or the other.

You can still be mad at the universe for not showing a proper god ;)

I came across a 'religious realization' lately that I think is interesting....

You can't be mad at God and not believe in him at the same time.

Thoughts?You can if you're mad.

You can still be mad at the universe for not showing a proper god ;)

The Universe exists. *nods*

Even if your father (or whoever's father) left when you were still a baby and he wasn't there to be loving and supporting you, you're only mad at the father who existed and left you. Everyone has a father that exists or existed, thus you can be mad at your father for whatever reason.

If you are mad at God because He didn't make everything perfect and nice in your life, then you have to believe in Him existing for Him to do those things. If you don't think He exists, how can he possibly make your life perfect and nice? It's not really irrational, it's just one or the other.

Both your father and God's existence are simply irrelevant, because in both cases you have been told that they should be there in your life and should be making your life better. It's the fact that others have told you about them that give you these high expectations that are not met when you can't see either your father or God making your life what it should be.

It's irrational to be mad at either for the same reason; you simply haven't justified the story you've been told about what to expect from either of them. You're operating on either the rather questionable premise (though one held firmly by many) that it is a father's duty to be there to love and support you and help your mother financially, or the equally questionable premise (also one held firmly by many) that it is God's duty to make everything perfect and easy and lovely.

Sure, you can say that one can either believe in God and be angry at him for the imperfections of the universe, or one can not believe in God and feel no emotion towards the chap you think doesn't exist anyway. But from what I've seen, people really do manage to not believe in God and still be mad at him. My explanation for this observational datum is that it is the result of a disjunct between the expectations stemming from a story told to them by society and the actual situation they find themselves in, that the disappointment and anger they feel is a product of their inability to remove those expectations along with removing their belief in God.

In short, they've exorcized belief in God, but left the remains of the God-story in their psyche. Understandably, they're pissed off that the grand story they've been told is an apparent lie.

The Universe exists. *nods*and that's not just a matter of belief as well? :p :eek:

Both your father and God's existence are simply irrelevant, because in both cases you have been told that they should be there in your life and should be making your life better. It's the fact that others have told you about them that give you these high expectations that are not met when you can't see either your father or God making your life what it should be.

It's irrational to be mad at either for the same reason; you simply haven't justified the story you've been told about what to expect from either of them. You're operating on either the rather questionable premise (though one held firmly by many) that it is a father's duty to be there to love and support you and help your mother financially, or the equally questionable premise (also one held firmly by many) that it is God's duty to make everything perfect and easy and lovely.

Sure, you can say that one can either believe in God and be angry at him for the imperfections of the universe, or one can not believe in God and feel no emotion towards the chap you think doesn't exist anyway. But from what I've seen, people really do manage to not believe in God and still be mad at him. My explanation for this observational datum is that it is the result of a disjunct between the expectations stemming from a story told to them by society and the actual situation they find themselves in, that the disappointment and anger they feel is a product of their inability to remove those expectations along with removing their belief in God.

In short, they've exorcized belief in God, but left the remains of the God-story in their psyche. Understandably, they're pissed off that the grand story they've been told is an apparent lie.

I agree with you on you point about God. There are people do not believe in God but are also mad at Him at the same time. To us, that may seem illogical and/or irrational, and yet it is done. I just think that if anyone with half a mind would sit down and think why they are mad at something that they don't even think exists, it could potentially change their life.

And since so many people do it, either there are a lot of irrational mind out there, or the "You can't be mad at God and not believe in him at the same time" statement isn't 'logical' and 'obvious' as it seems to be.

Well, there are Christians who are mad at Allah. So how does that work?

Well, there are Christians who are mad at Allah. So how does that work?

Allah is the same God that Christians believe in. Since they are Christians, they believe that God exists, and so thus, they can be mad at God. I don't see why they would though....

Allah is the same God that Christians believe in. Since they are Christians, they believe that God exists, and so thus, they can be mad at God. I don't see why they would though....but they are mad at their own god, while pretending it was another god?

but they are mad at their own god, while pretending it was another god?

Allah is the same as the Christian God. Just different names, pretty much means the same thing, is the same thing. I don't care whether or not people who believe in God are mad at him, because that's at least reasonable and rational.

I came across a 'religious realization' lately that I think is interesting....

You can't be mad at God and not believe in him at the same time.

Thoughts?How about the part where "the devil believes in you", int the same persuasion?
Thoughts?

Though fictional that book exists but do you believe that God exists? If you don't you can't be mad at him.

yeah but the bible exists...

yeah but the bible exists...

Ex nihilo, non?

The Universe exists. *nods*

I contend that it does not.

Allah is the same as the Christian God. Just different names, pretty much means the same thing, is the same thing. I don't care whether or not people who believe in God are mad at him, because that's at least reasonable and rational.


Actually, a lot of people on both christian and muslim sides are saying thats not true. We share the same prophets and concept of God, but not the same God, as in Christian belief Jesus and God are one in the same, but in Muslim believe, there is no partner to God(not that Jesus is a partner in our belief). So in a sense, its not the same God.

now wait a minute

i may be mad at snape because he killed dumbledore (and i am) but im NOT mad at snape because he killed my nextdoor neighbor after that.

are there really people mad at god because of what he did in the bible? are they ranting "that son-of-a-bitch killed everyone on earth except for noah and his family, he had bear kill kids for mocking a prophet, he coldly killed all the firstborn if egypt when they had done nothing against him, I HATE THAT GUY" or are they saying "god caused the asian tsunami, he caused AIDS, he killed my cat, I HATE THAT GUY!"

once you take the character out of the book and have him doing things in your own life, you believe he exists.

I'd think what he did in the bible is WAY enough for him to be hated at. the other things you mentionned are just nature's way of saying "I don't care either way".

I contend that it does not.

What parameters of measurement, then, are the encompassment in your existence, then?
Even if it's a small, gleaming grey cube, or the one just outside the Enterprise-D for Beverly Crusher, it would be the totality of existence within those parameters ....

What parameters of measurement, then, are the encompassment in your existence, then?
Even if it's a small, gleaming grey cube, or the one just outside the Enterprise-D for Beverly Crusher, it would be the totality of existence within those parameters ....

Are you certain I exist?


Are you certain YOU exist?

Ex nihilo, non?

:confused: could you pretend I'm not that well educated and translate for me?

Are you certain I exist?


Are you certain YOU exist?
Within the same paradigm, i don't really possess enough faculty to disprove both - although i have more evidence to prove both, as laborious an effort that could prove.

:confused: could you pretend I'm not that well educated and translate for me?

Sure ... out of nothing, no?

:confused: could you pretend I'm not that well educated and translate for me?

Ex nihilo, Latin. "Out of nothing" or "from nothing"

Within the same paradigm, i don't really possess enough faculty to disprove both - although i have more evidence to prove both, as laborious an effort that could prove.

Very good, you neither ignored it nor had your brain try to shut down. That's more than I can say for a lot of people I pose that to.

Ex nihilo, Latin. "Out of nothing" or "from nothing"

right, but god does exist, AS A CHARACTER OF A BOOK, so you can still have feelings about that character, based on what you read in that book...

Very good, you neither ignored it nor had your brain try to shut down. That's more than I can say for a lot of people I pose that to.

I've had my existential AND solipsist phases, plus a smidge of Logic course to boot. :)
And, i tend to consider these kinds of things and nuances at various points of every day of what i perceive to be my continuing existence.

right, but god does exist, AS A CHARACTER OF A BOOK, so you can still have feelings about that character, based on what you read in that book...
Like when ET was in the ditch, or when Spock restabilized into nominality the warp drive for the Enterprise on ST II, and subsequently died* from radiation.

For counter-argument, though, i would use David Caruso as an example of a person i really don't like for the way he is incapable of actually portraying any feeling as a character in a story, even though his character itself is somewhat likable.

Like when ET was in the ditch, or when Spock restabilized into nominality the warp drive for the Enterprise on ST II, and subsequently died* from radiation.

For counter-argument, though, i would use David Caruso as an example of a person i really don't like for the way he is incapable of actually portraying any feeling as a character in a story, even though his character itself is somewhat likable.

so you have feelings about his character, even when he doesn't exist.

so you have feelings about his character, even when he doesn't exist.
Not so much myself as much as it is the portrayal of everyone else's involvement with him and their relationship to him.
So a worthy counter-argument, then?

Not so much myself as much as it is the portrayal of everyone else's involvement with him and their relationship to him.
So a worthy counter-argument, then?

I'd think a worthy counter argument would rather be you stating that you have absolutely no feelings toward any fictitious character, ever. and that wouldn't say anything about other people.

yeah but the bible exists...as printed paper. and?

I'd think a worthy counter argument would rather be you stating that you have absolutely no feelings toward any fictitious character, ever. and that wouldn't say anything about other people.

Hmmm - i probably used the wrong frame of speech.
I don't mean a parry of your concept so much as a flip of sorts -
and i should qualify it by pointing out the difference between observing contrary behaviour while simultaneously assuming a non-obligatory persuasion.
For example - by narration and what-have-you, in the text form presentation of god, i am only given its actions as recorded, and have only that dimension to deal with.
To *counter* or *flip* on that theme, however, many, MANY people have come away from the situations presented in "god"-based texts as thinking it represented love and power worthy of respect, praise, worship, and being dominated by. Bafflingly enough.

It makes sense. People get pissed at God for not existing and filling their lives with sunshine, lollipops and rainbows.

Allah is the same God that Christians believe in. Since they are Christians, they believe that God exists, and so thus, they can be mad at God. I don't see why they would though....Not all Christians do realize that Allah is the selfsame supposed god as their own. They think that Allah is a false god, an idol.

Not all Christians do realize that Allah is the selfsame supposed god as their own. They think that Allah is a false god, an idol.
Further, the same god that is revered by Jesus/Horus/Mithras himself AND the jewish folk are not apparently the same god christians worship anyway.
Gotta be some reason why there's still a healthy percentage of jews in the world, eh?

It makes sense. People get pissed at God for not existing and filling their lives with sunshine, lollipops and rainbows.

Instead, we get Corneliu and Ruffy.
:eek:

as printed paper. and?

and so it is a book containing characters you can have feelings about, regardless of their actual existense.

Hmmm - i probably used the wrong frame of speech.
I don't mean a parry of your concept so much as a flip of sorts -
and i should qualify it by pointing out the difference between observing contrary behaviour while simultaneously assuming a non-obligatory persuasion.
For example - by narration and what-have-you, in the text form presentation of god, i am only given its actions as recorded, and have only that dimension to deal with.
To *counter* or *flip* on that theme, however, many, MANY people have come away from the situations presented in "god"-based texts as thinking it represented love and power worthy of respect, praise, worship, and being dominated by. Bafflingly enough.

well, his recorded actions ae all we have, and since I don't believe in him, I make up my mind on this "god" character based on what I read on him.

well, his recorded actions ae all we have, and since I don't believe in him, I make up my mind on this "god" character based on what I read on him.

And you have no feelings about him one way or t'other, or shall i hazard the guess to your persuasion by your nation name?
No barb intended, just establishing intent here.

and so it is a book containing characters you can have feelings about, regardless of their actual existense.

You know, funny thing .... The Bible = the book.

:)

And you have no feelings about him one way or t'other, or shall i hazard the guess to your persuasion by your nation name?
No barb intended, just establishing intent here.

nope, my name is supposed to reflect my feelings about religion.

nope, my name is supposed to reflect my feelings about religion.

Not god itself, then?
Perhaps the general judeo-christian vein?
Or the difference between what people perceive as the pinnacle of power pursuits and how all angles of politics need be applied to wrest what people are left to think are the best and worst from them, all in paling comparison to its supposed greatness?

Not god itself, then?
Perhaps the general judeo-christian vein?
Or the difference between what people perceive as the pinnacle of power pursuits and how all angles of politics need be applied to wrest what people are left to think are the best and worst from them, all in paling comparison to its supposed greatness?

well, I think god as a concept is a part of religion (after all it's what religion is about). and yes, I tend to focus on the abrahamic god (as described in his three best-sellers : god I : a new genesis ; god II : the roman empire strikes back, and god III : return of the prophet) because they're the ones which try to mess with people's lives the most nowadays.

I'm sorry, I didn't quite get that last sentence... :p

Gotta run away again, Morpheus beckons.

But this post might be of interest:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12483555&postcount=118

Nasdravlje

I'm sorry, I didn't quite get that last sentence... :pAh - as in, the difference between whatever magnificence the nature of creation holds as compared to the horrible and atrocious attributions given to it by our particularly arrogant species?

and so it is a book containing characters you can have feelings about, regardless of their actual existense.indeed. but some people can indeed distinguish between characters in a book and actual gods. some cannot of course, which is sad.

You know, funny thing .... The Bible = the book.:)

I had a discussion lately about folks who doubt that Jesus Christ is the Messiah.

Gotta run away again, Morpheus beckons.

But this post might be of interest:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12483555&postcount=118

Nasdravlje

religious art speaks more about the genius of the artist than the benefits of religion. they just applied that genius to a religious subject, and the result would have been as astounding if they had chosen another subject.

Further, the same god that is revered by Jesus/Horus/Mithras himself AND the jewish folk are not apparently the same god christians worship anyway.wtf?
Gotta be some reason why there's still a healthy percentage of jews in the world, eh?what percentage? 15 million? out of 6.6 billion that is roughly 0.023 %.

I think that's bleeding obvious.


I would have to agree with this statement

I came across a 'religious realization' lately that I think is interesting....

You can't be mad at God and not believe in him at the same time.

Thoughts?

Fundamental.
And you don't think others realised that well before you?
Atheists tend not to be mad at god, they tend to be frustrated by his proclaimed followers and their unwillingness to think for themselves.

I've never understood anyone, regardless of thier relgious POV to be "mad" at God, to be honest.

I've never understood anyone, regardless of thier relgious POV to be "mad" at God, to be honest.

well you can be mad at a concept that seems to you to brainwash people and make them do hideous things, or you could be mad at the character of an all-powerfull being requiring sycophantic (is that a word? I wonder O_o) behavior from his creation, lest they spend eternity in torture, and obviously delighting in mass murder... yes it shows, I'm reading the bible. of course, since it's fiction, it doesn't bother me too much, but it's weird.

well you can be mad at a concept that seems to you to brainwash people and make them do hideous things, or you could be mad at the character of an all-powerfull being requiring sycophantic (is that a word? I wonder O_o) behavior from his creation, lest they spend eternity in torture, and obviously delighting in mass murder... yes it shows, I'm reading the bible. of course, since it's fiction, it doesn't bother me too much, but it's weird.

You think the Bible's weird? Try reading the uncanonised texts.

You think the Bible's weird? Try reading the uncanonized texts.They are just not as streamlined.

You think the Bible's weird? Try reading the uncanonised texts.

well after the canon I'll try the qu'ran, and mein kampf too, so I've got quite a mouthfull... hope I won't choke on it...

well after the canon I'll try the qu'ran, and mein kampf too, so I've got quite a mouthfull... hope I won't choke on it...

<Giggles immaturely>

They are just not as streamlined.

I hope by 'streamlined' you don't mean 'coherent'...

I hope by 'streamlined' you don't mean 'coherent'...in the case of the bible coherence is a point of view... ;)

in the case of the bible coherence is a point of view... ;)

right. I keep on forgetting...

I'd think what he did in the bible is WAY enough for him to be hated at. the other things you mentionned are just nature's way of saying "I don't care either way".

while thats true, thats not why people rail against god. no little teen atheist wannabe says "i hate god and he doesnt exist anyway" because he encouraged the ancient israelites to commit genocide. they hate god because god gave their mother cancer or allowed a school shooting to happen or whatever.

that indicates that they think that god acts in the world.

while thats true, thats not why people rail against god. no little teen atheist wannabe says "i hate god and he doesnt exist anyway" because he encouraged the ancient israelites to commit genocide. they hate god because god gave their mother cancer or allowed a school shooting to happen or whatever.

that indicates that they think that god acts in the world.

well then, those aren't atheists.

well then, those aren't atheists.

and THAT, my friend, was the realization of the OP.

of course most of those mad-at-god people are in transition. they have been raised with a "god as santa" mentality and when faced with the cruel realities of life their faith is shaken--as well it should be.

after they calm down they either develop a more sophisticated theology where god has a different role than deciding that today is a good day to kill your little sister or they abandon it altogether and become a defacto atheist. they probably wont call themselves atheists--atheist are scary mean people with no morals--but they will have nothing more to do with religion.

and THAT, my friend, was the realization of the OP.

of course most of those mad-at-god people are in transition. they have been raised with a "god as santa" mentality and when faced with the cruel realities of life their faith is shaken--as well it should be.

after they calm down they either develop a more sophisticated theology where god has a different role than deciding that today is a good day to kill your little sister or they abandon it altogether and become a defacto atheist. they probably wont call themselves atheists--atheist are scary mean people with no morals--but they will have nothing more to do with religion.

right, so the OP realized that people saying "god is messing with my life!" are not atheists?

right, so the OP realized that people saying "god is messing with my life!" are not atheists?

lol yeah

didnt you read the OP?


I came across a 'religious realization' lately that I think is interesting....

You can't be mad at God and not believe in him at the same time.

Thoughts?

lol yeah

didnt you read the OP?
I dunno, call me a cynic, but I'm inclined to assume that the OP will simply conclude that all those "angry atheists" out there must really believe in Gawd deep down. Otherwise why would they be so mad? They MUST be mad at Gawd, right? And thus they MUST believe in Gawd, right? HAH! Got them!

I came across a 'religious realization' lately that I think is interesting....

You can't be mad at God and not believe in him at the same time.

Thoughts?

Well, duh.

You can, however, be angry at theists and disbelieve the existence of God.

wtf?You know, the same bloodthirsty creature so keen on torture, imprecision and passion that the Old Testament drones on about, that one, as compared to the George Bush Sr.-ified version that christians seem to like better.

what percentage? 15 million? out of 6.6 billion that is roughly 0.023 %.

It's a bit healthier than the amount of scientologists and pastafarians by percentage, yes. ;)

You know, the same bloodthirsty creature so keen on torture, imprecision and passion that the Old Testament drones on about, that one, as compared to the George Bush Sr.-ified version that christians seem to like better.no god is revered by Jesus/Horus/Mithras himself AND the jewish folk. wtf are you talking about? and wtf do you mean with Jesus/Horus/Mithras ?

It's a bit healthier than the amount of scientologists and pastafarians by percentage, yes.healthy is only that any of these are so small in number.

I came across a 'religious realization' lately that I think is interesting....

You can't be mad at God and not believe in him at the same time.

Thoughts?

Interesting logic. So are you saying I can't burn the roof of my mouth by eating hot pizza if I don't have any pizza?

Interesting logic. So are you saying I can't burn the roof of my mouth by eating hot pizza if I don't have any pizza?Have you tried it?