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http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/03/28/iran.uk.sailors/index.html

Well, first they gave one set of coordinates, saying where they captured the UK sailors, which happen to be inside Iraqi waters. SO they corrected themselves, and moved their coordinates. Ooops.

And for all you people who love following international law:

Iran insists the ship was inside its territorial waters and, according to Style, provided a map with coordinates on Saturday in attempts to prove the point.

Blair said those coordinates actually "turned out to confirm they were in Iraqi waters" and Iraq has supported that position.

Upon pointing that out Sunday through diplomatic contacts, Style said Iran then "provided a second set of coordinates" on Monday that were "in Iranian waters over two nautical miles" from the position shown by the HMS Cornwall and confirmed by the merchant vessel the British personnel boarded.

The "change of coordinates," Style said "is hard to legitimate."

The statement Wednesday from the Iranian embassy in London said the British personnel had made an incursion of 0.5 km (0.3 miles) into Iranian territorial waters.

Even if the ship had somehow strayed into Iranian waters, Beckett said, "under international law, warships have sovereign immunity in the territorial sea of other states."

"The very most Iran would've been entitled to do if they considered our boats were breeching the rules on innocent passage would've been to require the ship to leave their territorial waters immediately," the foreign secretary explained.

Not much surprised, frankly. Apparently now the British have shown satellite imagery that proves their case even further.

I am so shocked.

And the sailors & gear will be released...when?

Who needs guns when you have superior debating skills :D

[Beckett said, "under international law,

...without laughing, melting or her nose growing? Bit fucking late for that now, missus.

Speaking later, Mr Blair told MPs ...........The seizure of the personnel was "unacceptable, wrong and illegal" and the UK was now in talks with all its key allies and partners, he said

Dearie fucking me. 15 get a guided tour of Tehran and its moral outrage, a respected journal says he and his God-buddy killed about 650,000 people in their cowboy escapade and its ignore your own advisor and rubbish the report.

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...without laughing, melting or her nose growing? Bit fucking late for that now, missus.



Dearie fucking me. 15 get a guided tour of Tehran and its moral outrage, a respected journal says he and his God-buddy killed about 650,000 people in their cowboy escapade and its ignore your own advisor and rubbish the report.

The Iraq war being a complete fuckup from the start doesn't make the Iranians any less wrong. The are also not less wrong because someone who lied in the past happens to have made the statement.

The Iraq war being a complete fuckup from the start doesn't make the Iranians any less wrong. The are also not less wrong because someone who lied in the past happens to have made the statement.

The Iranians are wrong and should release the hostages immediately if not sooner.

While true that neither the US nor Great Britain have any real moral ground to resort to international law (as no doubt is the same with any other country), it does not excuse further breaking of said law.

The Iraq war being a complete fuckup from the start doesn't make the Iranians any less wrong. The are also not less wrong because someone who lied in the past happens to have made the statement.

While they might be wrong, as long as they don't lock the 15 up for years on end/torture/kill them, its not really the stuff great tragedies are made of, is it?

Bit like shoplifting vs serial killing rampage....Both are wrong however....

While they might be wrong, as long as they don't lock the 15 up for years on end/torture/kill them, its not really the stuff great tragedies are made of, is it?

Well considering the sailors are more or less innocent and that Iran has kidnapped them for no apparent reason other than to maybe be a nuisance I’d say so

Then again aren’t the SAS and the FFL still looking for those missing tourists?

Here's the turn of events according to the Beeb:
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42737000/gif/_42737907_iraq_iran_title_3_416.gif

The article also says that one of the captured forces will be released soon (funny how that doesn't make the OP) which is, I think, a good sign. However, this doesn't do much to help the Iranian's case, and now having some kind of evidence, can be in a position to have a better informed opinion on the subject. Although, it has to be said, it's not as if we haven't set any kind of precedent that it is wrong to flout international law.

Let's hope we can these guys (and gal) back and troops out soon, and go back to the kind of US/Iran dickwaving we're used to.

Then again aren’t the SAS and the FFL still looking for those missing tourists?

In Ethiopia/Eritrea?

i hope they release these sailors soon. and i certainly hope they are treating them like humans. poor woman that is with them is probably having the hardest time of all.


i also heard rossie o'donnel has put in her fat bitch two cents on the subject already.

The Iranians are wrong and should release the hostages immediately if not sooner.

Thats fast.

Iran is wrong, and should release the sailors.

The radio just said they're now debating wether to release the female sailor.

Here's the turn of events according to the Beeb:
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42737000/gif/_42737907_iraq_iran_title_3_416.gif


The Iranians really cocked this one up.

"No HERE were our real co-ordinates" *SHAZAAM*

"We were never actually in the area at all!" *waves hand Jedi like*

Who needs guns when you have superior debating skills :D

Who needs superior debating skills when you can lie and change the evidence?

While true that neither the US nor Great Britain have any real moral ground to resort to international law (as no doubt is the same with any other country), it does not excuse further breaking of said law.Well, it doesn't justify breaking the law, but it may go some way toward excusing it.

After all, it's only really "law" in any meaningful sense of the term if the various parties to the contract make some good faith effort to abide by it--or at least submit to some form of sanction when they break the law. If the United States and Britain think they can get away with international law violations with impunity, then it's hard to expect anyone else to keep it up out of the goodness of their hearts.

Iran Mistakenly Admits They Messed Up (Source CNN)

CNN?? :rolleyes: I am not holding my breath.. I am going to wait for sources I can trust in this case.

If the shoe was on the other foot...if Brits had detained Iranian sailors and then lied about their location to justify the continued detainment of those sailors, what do you think the reaction would be?

I can take a guess...

Proof again that the Brits are awesome, and the Iranians are fucking twats.

Who needs superior debating skills when you can lie and change the evidence?

Now you just sound like Dubya.