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Male or female. Or for that matter your image, be it personal, political, alcoholic, molecular, or thermonuclear?

Male or female. Or for that matter your image, be it personal, political, alcoholic, molecular, or thermonuclear?
thermonuclear breasts?

the UN now needs to examine for this threat... I volunteer to be an inspector!

Yes, yes, yes, and yesyesyesyes.

Male or female. Or for that matter your image, be it personal, political, alcoholic, molecular, or thermonuclear?

I love my political breasts!

Is that what we're supposed to say?

no, i could quite happilly swap my body for another if the process was painless and reversible. as long as i can keep my hair.

Male or female. Or for that matter your image, be it personal, political, alcoholic, molecular, or thermonuclear?

My breasts? Perfect. Except the keratosis pilaris, but other than that? Perfect. :)
My image? I'm way skinny, I'm short, I have a big nose, and acne. And keratosis pilaris. I'm ugly.
My political image? Awesome.
Alcoholic: I'm 15, another 6 years before I can have an alcoholic image.
Molecular: ...
Thermonuclear: MUAH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!

I like mine alright. I'd only consider augmentation if there was some sort of implantable bra. I hate wearing bra's in the summer, but I am afraid of saggy breasts.

My image:
Peronal: I don't think I'm very pretty. Actually, I think I'm ugly.

Political: I like my politics!

Alcoholic: I drink, but not everyday or to excess.

Molecular: My brain hates me.

Thermonuclear: Definately!

i don't like having man-boobs

i don't like having man-boobs

Me either. And mine are hairy to boot. :eek:

I'm a big fan of my breasts. I actually like smallish breasts on women, and wouldn't mind if mine were smaller, but I'm not really complaining. I'm a big fan of my new nipple ring too, because it really increases nipple sensitivity. Breasts are fun.

My breasts? Perfect. Except the keratosis pilaris, but other than that? Perfect. :)
My image? I'm way skinny, I'm short, I have a big nose, and acne. And keratosis pilaris. I'm ugly.
My political image? Awesome.
Alcoholic: I'm 15, another 6 years before I can have an alcoholic image.
Molecular: ...
Thermonuclear: MUAH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!

do you have keratosis pilaris on your face?

do you have keratosis pilaris on your face?

So THAT's what that's called! Wow. (my daughter has a mild case on her arms)

I'm a big fan of my breasts. I actually like smallish breasts on women, and wouldn't mind if mine were smaller, but I'm not really complaining. I'm a big fan of my new nipple ring too, because it really increases nipple sensitivity. Breasts are fun.

This is turning out to be an entertaining night.

My breasts? Perfect. Except the keratosis pilaris, but other than that? Perfect. :)
My image? I'm way skinny, I'm short, I have a big nose, and acne. And keratosis pilaris. I'm ugly.
My political image? Awesome.
Alcoholic: I'm 15, another 6 years before I can have an alcoholic image.
Molecular: ...
Thermonuclear: MUAH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!

:(

This is turning out to be an entertaining night.

Hahahaha, well, I've been all riled up lately, what can I say?

My breasts? Perfect. Except the keratosis pilaris, but other than that? Perfect. :)
My image? I'm way skinny, I'm short, I have a big nose, and acne. And keratosis pilaris. I'm ugly.
My political image? Awesome.
Alcoholic: I'm 15, another 6 years before I can have an alcoholic image.
Molecular: ...
Thermonuclear: MUAH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!

i didn't know it hd a name. i have that too. mostly on my legs.

do you have keratosis pilaris on your face?

No, just on my chest and back and shoulders. I have acne rosacea on my face. :(

Hahahaha, well, I've been all riled up lately, what can I say?

It beats the monotony of abortion and marital threads that have been cropping up like.... well, some sort of crop, lately.

Sometimes, ya just gotta drop the business suit and get down to business ya know?

wtfuck is up with this thread? i find it a bit weird that someone wants to kno this

wtfuck is up with this thread? i find it a bit weird that someone wants to kno this

Someone just hit the reset button on NSG is all. Everything will get back to Bush-bashing and capitalism vs. communism before you know it.

It beats the monotony of abortion and marital threads that have been cropping up like.... well, some sort of crop, lately.

Sometimes, ya just gotta drop the business suit and get down to business ya know?

Mmmm, I really want to be given the business.

Ah, it's like old times on NSG.

I'd love to have teh boobies, but, alas! my fate did not take me down that path during conception/puberty.

No
:(

wtfuck is up with this thread? i find it a bit weird that someone wants to kno this

It seems you missed the "food that reminds you of other generalites (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=521939&highlight=absinthe)" thread.

Mmmm, I really want to be given the business.

Ah, it's like old times on NSG.

Old times sound like a lot of fun.


Now I've got business to attend to...


Damn... which way is west?

Now I've got business to attend to...


Damn... which way is west?

Careful...you're going to whack that thing in the doorway if you don't pay attention!

No, just on my chest and back and shoulders. I have acne rosacea on my face. :(

its a very bad time of life for that eh?

didnt i see a pic of you the other day? if so, youre not ugly. i dont normally bother judging how good looking young women are, to me that fresh look of youth is always pretty.


the thing is that today we only have an artificial standard of beauty--nothing natural need apply--so that to improve your looks you need to use some level of cosmetics. its sort of a pain in the ass, but its true. the good part is that pretty much everyone needs it and pretty much everyone gets good results if they do it right.

No, just on my chest and back and shoulders. I have acne rosacea on my face. :(

I have it on my arms and my back, crap gets inflamed all the time.

I don't like them because people might be able to tell that they exist just by looking at me. That's annoying:(

Careful...you're going to whack that thing in the doorway if you don't pay attention!

Yeah, I keep meaning to make all the walls, floors and doorways soft and spongy for just such emergencies.

If I keep carrying on this way, maybe I'll be put in a room just like that!

I'm quite fond of mine, except when they get in the way. Which they do. A lot. If I start archery, I'm gonna need a sports bra or something.

its a very bad time of life for that eh?

didnt i see a pic of you the other day? if so, youre not ugly. i dont normally bother judging how good looking young women are, to me that fresh look of youth is always pretty.


the thing is that today we only have an artificial standard of beauty--nothing natural need apply--so that to improve your looks you need to use some level of cosmetics. its sort of a pain in the ass, but its true. the good part is that pretty much everyone needs it and pretty much everyone gets good results if they do it right.

I don't know that it was a pic of me... This is my new computer, so I don't have any pics of myself on here. :(

But people do think I'm pretty, which gives me a boost in confidence, especially if they say that I'm prettier than my sister. :)

Yes, yes the Bourbon monarchs do not laugh at me.:)

Yeah, I keep meaning to make all the walls, floors and doorways soft and spongy for just such emergencies.

If I keep carrying on this way, maybe I'll be put in a room just like that!

Na, nothing crazy about blood rushing south.

meh, definitely not my favorite feature, but I don't lose sleep over it. At least people look at my face when they're speaking to me.

I don't know that it was a pic of me... This is my new computer, so I don't have any pics of myself on here. :(

But people do think I'm pretty, which gives me a boost in confidence, especially if they say that I'm prettier than my sister. :)

maybe it was chandelier?

if people tell you you are pretty, you should believe them. pretty is always an outside judgement eh?

Too bad we aren't allowed to view NSGers breasts on here....But if anyone so happens to want to show theirs off, well my tg box it open :p


I don't like my man boobs, but i am in the process of losing them and making them into manly pecs :p

I'm a big fan of my breasts. I actually like smallish breasts on women.
As a man I must agree...the artificially induced interest in large breasts in various media--especially anime--is disgusting. Quite often we'll see extremely athletic women in a variety of media portrayed with breasts approximately four times larger than should be possible for someone who exercises as much as they do just because bigger breasts are supposed to be more attactive. News flash, people: breasts are sacks of fat. They're going to be smaller the more athletic you are and larger the less athletic you are.

Anything above a C cup is unappealing to me, personally.

Pancake: Of course you're pretty. Why wouldn't you be? Don't let the media's artificial sense of beauty confuse you otherwise.

I dislike my moobs. They insist on not just continuing from my fat all the way up and must exist as a complete new body part.

----> Moobs :mp5: :sniper:

As a man I must agree...the artificially induced interest in large breasts in various media--especially anime--is disgusting. Quite often we'll see extremely athletic women in a variety of media portrayed with breasts approximately four times larger than should be possible for someone who exercises as much as they do just because bigger breasts are supposed to be more attactive. News flash, people: breasts are sacks of fat. They're going to be smaller the more athletic you are and larger the less athletic you are.

Anything above a C cup is unappealing to me, personally.

Pancake: Of course you're pretty. Why wouldn't you be? Don't let the media's artificial sense of beauty confuse you otherwise.

Big breasts aren't all that great, especially if you're as thin as the media wants you to be. Mine are perfect for me. I believe the only reason that one should get implants is if they had breast cancer or if one boob didn't grow as much as the othe rdid.

And it wasn't the media telling me I wasn't pretty, it was the people at school telling me I was ugly. Hence why I'm online almost all the time. The only media that did make me feel ugly were the zit-cream ads.

I dislike my moobs. They insist on not just continuing from my fat all the way up and must exist as a complete new body part.

----> Moobs :mp5: :sniper:

You must with with the n00b smilies. For the love of sweet zombie jesus!

Anything above a C cup is unappealing to me, personally.


QFT :)

And it wasn't the media telling me I wasn't pretty, it was the people at school telling me I was ugly. Hence why I'm online almost all the time. The only media that did make me feel ugly were the zit-cream ads.
Bah, people have opinions and they tell you them. Best to ignore them. Believe you me, I know how hard that is, but trust me, you'll cope.

Besides, I'm sure you'll blossom into a beautiful woman. Or so I'd imagine a few people around here of similiar age to you might hope, anyway.

QFT :)

Oh now you're just hating.

I'm a D, and there's nothing grotesque or too big about these babies.

Why the hell did I make this thread?

Oh now you're just hating.

I'm a D, and there's nothing grotesque or too big about these babies.

Sure, when properly proportioned to the body. It's just not appealing to me, personally.

Of course I'm probably biased, but when you live with a sister who is quite overweight and has what I'd describe as freaking G cups, who wouldn't be?

Neo Kervoskia: You wanted some breast love.

I have a really tight shirt that I like the look of, but it is so small that when I turn in the mirror at a certain angle they clearly stand out. :(

maybe it was chandelier?

if people tell you you are pretty, you should believe them. pretty is always an outside judgement eh?

I don't know, but I'm ugly because I say so and I kind of want to be. Well, I go back and forth. The closest I ever get to thinking that I look pretty is recognizing that I'm thin, but I can't be pretty because I have to be ugly so that I can make people not be attracted to me. It seems really irrational, but it's hard to get out of it.


But you're not ugly, Darknovae. I don't think so, at least.:)


Back to breasts, I think mine are too big, because they're size B and that's big enough to make me worried that people can tell that they exist. They should have been smaller so that it would be easier to hide their existence. There lack of cooperation in this matter and their insistence on growing is annoying.

Oh now you're just hating.

I'm a D, and there's nothing grotesque or too big about these babies.

Well, i'd have to see to make sure:p...I kid...but i suppose i could make an exception for you. ;)

Why the hell did I make this thread?

Because you wanted some not-so-serious talk about breasts and body image, though if it was serious then it would soon derail into mildly perverted spam?

:p

Oh now you're just hating.

I'm a D, and there's nothing grotesque or too big about these babies.

D or DD is a nice size. Me likes.

Breast size isn't really what I home in on anyway. Although nice breasts distract the homing process I must admit.

Zilam wants to hear moar about teh boobies! :p:headbang:

Zilam wants to hear moar about teh boobies! :p:headbang:

Darknovae does not care! :D

Darknovae does not care! :D

Gah! You leave my love for boobies alone!:p

Are there any little specifications over what is what cup size or is it purely guess and estimate?

Are there any little specifications over what is what cup size or is it purely guess and estimate?

Um...check the bra? :p

D or DD is a nice size. Me likes. It's not as though my D's seem particularly big. They just fit nicely is all. But I do hate the fact that most stores only go up to a C cup in many things...yes, including shirts. Try finding a nice dress shirt that isn't bursting at the buttons with a D cup. It's ridiculous.

Breast size isn't really what I home in on anyway. Although nice breasts distract the homing process I must admit.
They're all fun to nuzzle after the homing in.

Are there any little specifications over what is what cup size or is it purely guess and estimate?

It's best to get measured. Lots of women are in the wrong cup, either too big or too small. Generally too small though.

Zilam wants to hear moar about teh boobies! :p:headbang:

Darknovae does not care! :D

Gah! You leave my love for boobies alone!:p

Okay, kids, calm down. There's a more delicious part of the female body anyway.

Try finding a nice dress shirt that isn't bursting at the buttons with a D cup. It's ridiculous.


Excuse me... my eyes are watering...

Wait.. there's a problem with this scenario?

Male My boobs are lovely
Personal It's very impressive, yet lame.
Political Scary.
Alcoholic Too drunk to see straight.
Molecular Very cool when magnified.
Thermonuclear Explosive?

Okay, kids, calm down. There's a more delicious part of the female body anyway.

:eek: we might have to carry this conversation elsewhere as to where we don't get in trouble by the mods :p But i like boobs more anyways ;)

Excuse me... my eyes are watering...

Wait.. there's a problem with this scenario?

Yes, you don't always want to look like a tart.

And D's are not that big. What is WRONG with this country where everything is for A cups?

Is there any place to find a handy estimation of cup size tool without buying all the bra sizes. Basically a way to do with WITHOUT looking like a rapist or baby raper or any other type of creepy pedophilic wierdo?

I love my breasts. They're probably my second best feature. And my fiance loves them too. =)

Excuse me... my eyes are watering...

Wait.. there's a problem with this scenario?

I was just wondering the same damn thing :p

:eek: we might have to carry this conversation elsewhere as to where we don't get in trouble by the mods :p But i like boobs more anyways ;)

...I was referring to the lips. What did you think I meant?

On second thought, don't answer that.

Warmbuttcheeks: Because clearly breast size makes one a paedophile. As we all know children have lots of varying breast sizes. Haven't you seen the six year olds with DDs these days?

Is there any place to find a handy estimation of cup size tool without buying all the bra sizes. Basically a way to do with WITHOUT looking like a rapist or baby raper or any other type of creepy pedophilic wierdo?

I believe that cup size is determine by how many inches away from your body are added by your breasts. I'm sure there's an explanation of it somewhere.

You never know, plus in 4th grade half the girls at my school stuffed. Also what about the 12-18, they actually have breasts and are considered "children." Plus you never know...

...I was referring to the lips. What did you think I meant?

On second thought, don't answer that.


I thought of lips too...-cough- :p

I was just wondering the same damn thing :p

Great minds and all that...

... although I'm not sure how much blood was flowing through those minds when we were thinking it.

*shrugs*

Yes, you don't always want to look like a tart.

And D's are not that big. What is WRONG with this country where everything is for A cups?

Of course you don't.

*gives big thumbs up to the corporate goons that keep shirt and bra sizes slightly too small*

heh heh heh ...

Great minds and all that...

... although I'm not sure how much blood was flowing through those minds when we were thinking it.

*shrugs*

Yah...i def. need more blood in my body to think more clear at times. Its funny how women lose blood monthly, but men are in need of more blood daily :p

Is there any place to find a handy estimation of cup size tool without buying all the bra sizes. Basically a way to do with WITHOUT looking like a rapist or baby raper or any other type of creepy pedophilic wierdo?

Uh...from that comment, I'm assuming you're a guy wanting to buy a bra?

And I don't know how on earth you think trying to measure breast size is going to make you look like a pedophile. That's bizarre.

Yeah, here's (http://www.blooberry.com/bformfaq/measure.html) some info on measuring the bust.

Oh now you're just hating.

I'm a D, and there's nothing grotesque or too big about these babies.Yes, yes the media is true with you.

Male or female. Or for that matter your image, be it personal, political, alcoholic, molecular, or thermonuclear?

my personal image is the only one of the list that i would and do change, i'm always cutting my hair differently or growing different facial hair. although my options for hair style are going to be limited soon as i have noticed i am going slightly bald which is distressing. because of this i am growing my hair one last time before it gets too bad so i can see if i can do it right this time. i always have the intention of getting more in shape as well. i do like my sense of style though.

my political image never changes.

my alcoholic image is back, officially back on the sauce after 3 months of abstinence! w00t! my molecular image is too small to see.

my thermonuclear image is hot :p

Of course you don't.

*gives big thumbs up to the corporate goons that keep shirt and bra sizes slightly too small*

heh heh heh ...

Bastard. You realise that women with bigger boobs then end up wearing shirts too big for them, depriving you of any boobage, right?

Yeah, put that thumb down, buster.

Yes, yes the media is true with you.

Where the fuck do you live that you think D's are big?

Seriously. Get a grip.

And D's are not that big. What is WRONG with this country where everything is for A cups?Too much aisan immigration?
I kid, I kid.

end breast discrimination!

Bastard. You realise that women with bigger boobs then end up wearing shirts too big for them, depriving you of any boobage, right?

Yeah, put that thumb down, buster.

*sigh*

My dastardly plans never seem to work out just the way I want them too.

*abandons compulsory micro-skirt plan*

Bastard. You realise that women with bigger boobs then end up wearing shirts too big for them, depriving you of any boobage, right?

Yeah, put that thumb down, buster.

Lets solve this problem by banning bras and shirts for attractive women!
:p

Too much aisan immigration?
I kid, I kid.

end breast discrimination!

They make clothes for super-thin women to live up to media stereotypes...and buddy here says that D's are too big and part of the media conspiracy.

So which is it? Mosquito bites or huge bazooms?

How about...whatever the hell you're born with?

Yeah. I'm going with that.

Where the fuck do you live that you think D's are big?

Seriously. Get a grip.

D's are big, on some women. It's a matter of proportion, really.

Me, I'm somewhere between a C and a D, so I have to try on all my bras. But I'm told they're perfectly in proportion (albeit by someone who said they were the perfect size when they were a bit smaller, LOL).

my personal image is the only one of the list that i would and do change, i'm always cutting my hair differently or growing different facial hair. although my options for hair style are going to be limited soon as i have noticed i am going slightly bald which is distressing. because of this i am growing my hair one last time before it gets too bad so i can see if i can do it right this time. i always have the intention of getting more in shape as well. i do like my sense of style though.

:(

I'm sorry to hear about the baldness. My dad's 48 and his hairline keeps receding in the front and the spot on the back of his head keeps getting balder.

My dad's father is bald, but my mom's father has a FULL head of hair, and I'm really, really, REALLY hoping I get those genes.

D's are big, on some women. It's a matter of proportion, really.

Me, I'm somewhere between a C and a D, so I have to try on all my bras. But I'm told they're perfectly in proportion (albeit by someone who said they were the perfect size when they were a bit smaller, LOL).

Yeah, I'm more pissed at the insinuation that D's are freakishly large.

Sure, if you're 78 pounds maybe.

Yeah, I'm more pissed at the insinuation that D's are freakishly large.

Sure, if you're 78 pounds maybe.

They're not freakishly large. They're the size I happen to like! Well, large C/small D.

At least on the girls I've seen!

Yes, you don't always want to look like a tart.

And D's are not that big. What is WRONG with this country where everything is for A cups?

A cups? Nothing in this country is for A cups either! Everything is for B cups! :mad:

*is an A cup*

For me, it's bigger boobs or go to the kids' section for bras. Which I don't want to do. So I'm basically doomed to be a 36A until this gaddamn retarded media decides to get its head out of its ass and actually promote REAL bra sizes.

I'm not saying that D isn't a real breast size, I'm just sayign that it's not according to the media. Unless you're a whore. :headbang:

:(

I'm sorry to hear about the baldness. My dad's 48 and his hairline keeps receding in the front and the spot on the back of his head keeps getting balder.

My dad's father is bald, but my mom's father has a FULL head of hair, and I'm really, really, REALLY hoping I get those genes.

i'm 22...

A cups? Nothing in this country is for A cups either! Everything is for B cups! :mad:

*is an A cup*

For me, it's bigger boobs or go to the kids' section for bras. Which I don't want to do. So I'm basically doomed to be a 36A until this gaddamn retarded media decides to get its head out of its ass and actually promote REAL bra sizes.

I'm not saying that D isn't a real breast size, I'm just sayign that it's not according to the media. Unless you're a whore. :headbang:

A's aren't that bad. There is this girl i have liked for like ever, and she has the pefect body, and i am sure she isn't more than an A...and it fits her so well. So yeah, A's are ok. Not that I am saying you have a nice breast size, because that'd be far outta line :p

They're not freakishly large. They're the size I happen to like! Well, large C/small D.

At least on the girls I've seen!

Sweet! You like me, or, well, my boobs! hehe =)

A cups? Nothing in this country is for A cups either! Everything is for B cups! :mad:

*is an A cup*

For me, it's bigger boobs or go to the kids' section for bras. Which I don't want to do. So I'm basically doomed to be a 36A until this gaddamn retarded media decides to get its head out of its ass and actually promote REAL bra sizes.

I'm not saying that D isn't a real breast size, I'm just sayign that it's not according to the media. Unless you're a whore. :headbang:
I'm with you on this...too many 'one size for everyone' bras and clothes. You shouldn't have to search high and low to get a decent fit.

Most of the pretty bras I'd love to buy are for A's, and only go up to C's. But yes, I think you're right that the most common sizes are for B's.

Sheesh. Then you wonder why women are in the wrong sized bra. We can't all afford to order them in special.

Sweet! You like me, or, well, my boobs! hehe =)

I like you too. At least I find myself agreeing with you a LOT when I lurk in political debates.

The boobs are just a bonus! :fluffle:

Yeah, I'm more pissed at the insinuation that D's are freakishly large.

Sure, if you're 78 pounds maybe.

Or 98, even. :(

My current bra (the only one that fits :mad:) is starting to get a little too big for me, since I've lost some weight for no reason. However, my butt is large, so it makes hunting for bathing suits a huge problem.

Most of the time now the pieces are sold separately, about $12 each, which is retarded. The ones that come together are cheaper, but I pay a different price for them. The bottoms are always too small and the top is too big... even if the suit is a small. If I get a medium, the bottoms fit but the top is WAY too large.

So for the last 3 years, I haven't had a single bathing suit that fit. God a hate the American media and clothign corporations. I hope they all burn in hell. :upyours:

Sweet! You like me, or, well, my boobs! hehe =)

I'm sure i like your boobs too.:p

Point being, I'm a fan of boobs. A's - DDs. Bigger than that and I'm not such a fan. My favourite sizes are up to a C cup, but that's just my preference. I am, however, quite happy with what I have.

Point being, I'm a fan of boobs. A's - DDs. Bigger than that and I'm not such a fan. My favourite sizes are up to a C cup, but that's just my preference. I am, however, quite happy with what I have.


I'll quote that for a bit of truth :)

I'm with you on this...too many 'one size for everyone' bras and clothes. You shouldn't have to search high and low to get a decent fit.

Most of the pretty bras I'd love to buy are for A's, and only go up to C's. But yes, I think you're right that the most common sizes are for B's.

Sheesh. Then you wonder why women are in the wrong sized bra. We can't all afford to order them in special.

Yeah. My mom won't let me get a fitting either, so I have to try on every bra in the damn store, the very smallest ones that STILL DON'T EFFING FIT BECAUSE THE BAND IS TOO TIGHT AND THE CUPS ARE TOO LARGE! :upyours::upyours::upyours:

No wonder men think we women are always pissy! We're all pissed because we can't find a damn bra! :mad:

They're just fine, thank you for asking. When I first bought that pair I sort of doubted the salesman.... he claimed they were nearly new and would last a while, but then I only got a 30 day warranty. Nonetheless, they work out a lot better than I thought they would, even if it is a bother sometimes trying to figure out how to put them back on, and you have to clean inside them regularly or they won't work. That and the new wardrobe.

All in all, maybe I should have gone with the operation. Less expensive in the long run, really. :mad:

Also, classic Kervoskian topic, yays.

No to most of the OP questions.

So for the last 3 years, I haven't had a single bathing suit that fit. God a hate the American media and clothign corporations. I hope they all burn in hell. :upyours:

Ditto.

BTW, aren't you the one who posted to her blog, Persephone something or other? If so, I've seen a pic, and you're far from ugly, hon. Worst thing about youth is the insecurity. Years later, when you've realised you look just fine, you'll look back at these years and think, 'I wasted so much time believing I was ugly'.

Worse than that? You're not going to take that to heart until it's too late anyway.

No wonder men think we women are always pissy! We're all pissed because we can't find a damn bra! :mad:

Oh oh, true! Men...you don't want to go bra shopping with a woman. Or bathing suit shopping. Not unless she's got stuff picked out and just wants some naughtiness in the change rooms. Because nothing is more disheartening and annoying than trying to find a bra or bathing suit that actually fits. I always come out of that experience wanting to hurt someone very badly.

Not unless she's got stuff picked out and just wants some naughtiness in the change rooms.\

I wish this would happen to me :p

Oh oh, true! Men...you don't want to go bra shopping with a woman. Or bathing suit shopping. Not unless she's got stuff picked out and just wants some naughtiness in the change rooms. Because nothing is more disheartening and annoying than trying to find a bra or bathing suit that actually fits. I always come out of that experience wanting to hurt someone very badly.

Arrrrggg! Bathing suits! The bane of my existence!

Although, to be fair, I did find one the last time I went looking. It was a tankini with shorts (not boyshorts - actual shorts) as the bottom. The top is form fitting, but the bottoms were less so, and it makes me happy.

Of course, it was freaking expensive, too. =(

Oh oh, true! Men...you don't want to go bra shopping with a woman. Or bathing suit shopping. Not unless she's got stuff picked out and just wants some naughtiness in the change rooms. Because nothing is more disheartening and annoying than trying to find a bra or bathing suit that actually fits. I always come out of that experience wanting to hurt someone very badly.

Having experienced this - with people I am related to, no less (:headbang: ) - this is very, very wise.

VERY wise.

VERRRRY wise.

Bathing suit shopping. It's seriously traumatic.

You find just the right fit, in all the wrong, seriously wrong colours. And visa versa. Stuff that makes you look horrible...and as your self-esteem plummets, it just becomes a grotesque ordeal.

It'd rather be flogged, frankly.

I don't know that it was a pic of me... This is my new computer, so I don't have any pics of myself on here. :(

But people do think I'm pretty, which gives me a boost in confidence, especially if they say that I'm prettier than my sister. :)

I'm sure you're stunning, and prettier then your sister. In fact, I bet she's jealous. ;)

Oh oh, true! Men...you don't want to go bra shopping with a woman. Or bathing suit shopping. Not unless she's got stuff picked out and just wants some naughtiness in the change rooms. Because nothing is more disheartening and annoying than trying to find a bra or bathing suit that actually fits. I always come out of that experience wanting to hurt someone very badly.

shopping is disheartening and annoying at the best of times. i have trouble buying trousers that fit me. apparently my size is either so popular that they fly off the shelves or so unusual that no-one stocks it. is 32W and 30L really that unusual? i usually end up with a good 3 or 4 inches of fabric sliding under my shoe when i walk because i have to buy jeans that are too long. of course, i could take them up but i really can't be bothered, sewing takes to long.

Oh oh, true! Men...you don't want to go bra shopping with a woman. Or bathing suit shopping. Not unless she's got stuff picked out and just wants some naughtiness in the change rooms. Because nothing is more disheartening and annoying than trying to find a bra or bathing suit that actually fits. I always come out of that experience wanting to hurt someone very badly.

Bra shopping doesn't do that to me, but clothes shopping in general makes me nuts. It's difficult to find clothes that look good and are well made in a size 24, esp when you're po' (too broke to afford the last two letters). The good stuff is all so very expensive, and everything else is just kinda nasty. Don't even get me started on shoes (I wear an eleven or twelve womens). Do you have any idea how hard it is to find good, well made shoes in my size? (see above re: po') My aunt says you can get nice, feminine shoes in our sizes at tranny stores. Any tranny stores in west Michigan? No.

I just love shopping for shoes and clothes! :rolleyes:

shopping is disheartening and annoying at the best of times. i have trouble buying trousers that fit me. apparently my size is either so popular that they fly off the shelves or so unusual that no-one stocks it. is 32W and 30L really that unusual? i usually end up with a good 3 or 4 inches of fabric sliding under my shoe when i walk because i have to buy jeans that are too long. of course, i could take them up but i really can't be bothered, sewing takes to long.

I can only buy pants in the petite section, because they are standard 30L. I can't be arsed to hem pants, and I am not paying to have them done, when I just forked out the bucks to get them in the first place. They never have the same selection though. And lately, if you're not a size 1 or a size 14, you're out of luck in the petite sections. Frick.

Oh but I really hate buying those short pants...not capris, the looser ones...in regular sizes they look like flood pants, just above the ankle instead of at about mid-calf or just under the knee. So when I DO find some that actually fit right, it's a miracle.

Mostly I hate shirt shopping. If it fits my bust, it's generally too loose. And a lot of shirts are too tight in the arms too...I have biceps, not enormous ones, but big enough that I don't fit into the broom-handle sized sleeves some of these shirts come in.

Bitterness.

This is why I like being male. Not only are we prettier than women, we can also just throw on practically anything and it looks fine on us!

(Of course, we have to use deodorant and stuff.... but that's a small price to pay!)

Back to breasts, I think mine are too big, because they're size B and that's big enough to make me worried that people can tell that they exist. They should have been smaller so that it would be easier to hide their existence. There lack of cooperation in this matter and their insistence on growing is annoying.

That's puberty for ya.

Ok, wow, I just had a snack and watched around 30 minutes of TV and we have 2.5-3 pages more... just wow. Neesika, your question about wearing a bra, yes I am planning on doing it as a joke, just to piss people off for the fun of it.

This is why I like being male. Not only are we prettier than women, we can also just throw on practically anything and it looks fine on us!

(Of course, we have to use deodorant and stuff.... but that's a small price to pay!)

Unless you're fat.

I can only buy pants in the petite section, because they are standard 30L. I can't be arsed to hem pants, and I am not paying to have them done, when I just forked out the bucks to get them in the first place. They never have the same selection though. And lately, if you're not a size 1 or a size 14, you're out of luck in the petite sections. Frick.

Oh but I really hate buying those short pants...not capris, the looser ones...in regular sizes they look like flood pants, just above the ankle instead of at about mid-calf or just under the knee. So when I DO find some that actually fit right, it's a miracle.

Mostly I hate shirt shopping. If it fits my bust, it's generally too loose. And a lot of shirts are too tight in the arms too...I have biceps, not enormous ones, but big enough that I don't fit into the broom-handle sized sleeves some of these shirts come in.

Bitterness.

when i shop for shirts i find that my shoulders won't fit into most of them and when they do the arms are too long and the hem is too low so my trousers are full of shirt. i don't tend to wear shirts though and tshirts are stretchier so it soesn't matter so much, just looks a bit silly to have shoulders going halfway into the sleeves. heh.

clothes seem to be designed for about 20% of the population and the rest of us are expected to make do. bah!

Unless you're fat.

Same goes for women there though. I suppose I was referring more to myself and those similar to me, overall.

Same goes for women there though. I suppose I was referring more to myself and those similar to me, overall.

Skinny bastards.

Male or female. Or for that matter your image, be it personal, political, alcoholic, molecular, or thermonuclear?

I don't like having manboobs.

Personal? I really need to go to the gym.

Political? Heh...I don't give a shit what I look like - I am what I am.

Alcoholic? I'm too poor for that shit. I can't even afford the crappy beer.

Molecular? ....wtf?

Thermonuclear? If you rp a war and can't win without resorting to nuclear weapons then you've lost your balls.

Ok, wow, I just had a snack and watched around 30 minutes of TV and we have 2.5-3 pages more... just wow. Neesika, your question about wearing a bra, yes I am planning on doing it as a joke, just to piss people off for the fun of it.

Um. Okay.

Well, in that case you really only have to worry about the size of your chest, so it's not too tight. Cup size would be irrelevant.

when i shop for shirts i find that my shoulders

You know, I have the shoulder problem too. At first I thought it was a bust problem, but it was really a different area that was tight, and the shirt could fit fine in the bust but still constrict my shoulders and arms. And it's not like I have these huge broad (hahhaa) shoulders.

Coats, that's where it really gets me. The coat will fit everywhere but the shoulders, and because of it, I can't raise my arms. I'd have to flap around like a penguin. I've dished out big cash to get coats tailored.

Thermonuclear breasts? Not yet, but one day I will bring them to market...you'll never need to bring your laptop charger again! I'm not responsible for any death, dismemberment, UN sanctions or protesters that result from purchasing these implants. All sales are final.

Oh, and for that matter, should robotic breasts be made of metal or simulate real human ones? I'm asking for another one of my *business ventures* and I want to know how to capture the market.

Where there's potential profits, there's Vetalian Personal Enhancements LLC!

You know, I have the shoulder problem too. At first I thought it was a bust problem, but it was really a different area that was tight, and the shirt could fit fine in the bust but still constrict my shoulders and arms. And it's not like I have these huge broad (hahhaa) shoulders.

Coats, that's where it really gets me. The coat will fit everywhere but the shoulders, and because of it, I can't raise my arms. I'd have to flap around like a penguin. I've dished out big cash to get coats tailored.

i have a jacket, actually second hand that i bought despite it being too small becasue i loved the style, which, in order to put it on, i have to put my arms straight up and let it slide down them and then do a sort of drawn-out wriggling shrug to get the rest of my arm in the sleeves. it's very old and made of very tightweave non-stretchy wool so i can't stretch it at all to get it on. the number of times i've knocked things off walls or elbowed people in the face trying to put that on i cannot count!

Breasts? I'm male and skinny. I don't have any.

Self-image? Don't ask...:headbang:

Politics? Proudly Left

Molecular? Clinical depression and PTSD. Not good.

Alcohol? Sometimes.

Thermonuclear? :eek:

And it wasn't the media telling me I wasn't pretty, it was the people at school telling me I was ugly. Hence why I'm online almost all the time. The only media that did make me feel ugly were the zit-cream ads.

Screw those jerks at school. I refuse to believe our Pancake is anything but pretty.

Male:so if i had breast it would a sight to be seen by the ages
Image:i don't go that deep im not touching it with a 100 foot pole it would make me gay you deside
Personal:hmm 15, I like to eat food with trans fat and love football.
political:as far right as you can go(without the aryan race shit or kill the jews type shit)
Alcoholic:man this is fun but really sucks in the morning (my dad let me get drunk on new years :D ).
Molecular:i have no allergies i have no disorders there is nothing wrong with me and i barely get sick.
Thermonuclear:yes plz :gundge:

Male: No breasts. :(

Personal: Antisocial geek, but happy.

Political: Left-wing.

Alcoholic: Tipsy is good.

Molecular: Gwah?

Thermonuclear: lol wut

Breastises: no, and gladly so (m).
Personal image: probably ugly, but not too worried about it.
Political image: double negative and proud of it.
Alcoholic image: not quite there yet...
Molecular image: on that scale, I'm damn sexy. Check out these covalent bonds.
Thermoneclear image: *explodes*

Molecular image: on that scale, I'm damn sexy. Check out these covalent bonds.

Oh, so you're in to that...well, we can make arrangements, but it would be rather costly.

Male: No breasts.

Personal: Greedy techno-geek, /b/tard

Political: Democratic transhumanist

Alcoholic: Can't go wrong with ethanol

Molecular: Nanorobotics. Build your body from the bottom up!

Thermonuclear: I'm working on it...

Oh, so you're in to that...well, we can make arrangements, but it would be rather costly.

Name it.

Name it.

$14.45 million. I know it might be a lot, but I've got to import them, which means an assload of taxes, and trust me, it's not cheap to ship them a few million light years.

Oh, and male or female?

Well, they're small, but I actually like that. I can go for runs without discomfort, wear low-cut tops without feeling like a slut, and go to prom supported by a built-in-bra (better than strapless!).

Well, they're small, but I actually like that. I can go for runs without discomfort, wear low-cut tops without feeling like a slut, and go to prom supported by a built-in-bra (better than strapless!).

smaller boobs= better :)

$14.45 million. I know it might be a lot, but I've got to import them, which means an assload of taxes, and trust me, it's not cheap to ship them a few million light years.

Oh, and male or female?

Sorry (statistacally speaking), /me = heterosexual male.
Also, sorry to leave you hanging, but RL intervened.

smaller boobs= better :)

Indeed. Easier to handle, fits nicely into your mouth, sweet and succulent, don't need as much marinade, not as much fat on the meat...

Oh, you mean THOSE breasts... I like to cook...

I like thermonuclear breast-shaped pancakes with scotch whisky.

I like thermonuclear breast-shaped pancakes with scotch whisky.

Sick man, sick.

Thermonuclear breast-shaped pancakes with a screwdriver? Gold. Pure gold.

Male or female. Or for that matter your image, be it personal, political, alcoholic, molecular, or thermonuclear?

I luves my boobies. :D
Why?

No, I can't get them to lactate no matter what I try. Any suggestions?

Oh, and: Hairy moobs. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Gynecomastia_001.jpg) ;)

no, i'd rather be an hermaphrodidic contortionist with lots of nice floofy green fur. (that or a small furry green thing from alpha centauri)

=^^=
.../\...

Should she or shouldn't she?

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/5766/surrept0hv.th.jpg (http://img261.imageshack.us/my.php?image=surrept0hv.jpg)

Oh oh, true! Men...you don't want to go bra shopping with a woman. Or bathing suit shopping.

Or shopping for any kind of clothes. Or anything.

The memories of going shopping with women are still painful. But then, I'm the kind of guy who, if he really needs clothes, will pick something, anything, from the first ship he wanders into, so as to avoid having to move on to a second shop. (Then to a third. Then a fourth. Then back to the second. Then back to the third. Then back to the first...)

(I jest, I jest. :p)

Regarding the OP... Erm, I have nipples, like any guy, but I've never really wondered whether I like them or not. They're ultra-sensitive, which can be good in some situations and less good in others.

My girlfriend has them. I'm happy with that. :)

my nipples hurt today! a lot!:(

i guess they don't like hemp shirts

Breasts: Not something I am proud of, always small due to my own body size, and already losing some...Uppity? I hope to fix that in the near future through plasitc surgery

Self-image: Heh, I'm proud, I am a succesful professional, and I am still attractive enough

Politics: Center, center left, leaning a bit towards libertarian

Molecular: I'm made at least 75 % out of water, it seems

Alcohol: Red wine, white wine if it is early enough. Rum for the beach, always.

Thermonuclear: I have been described that way several times, mostly regarding temper.

Male or female. Or for that matter your image, be it personal, political, alcoholic, molecular, or thermonuclear?

No not really, but I'm more than happy with my wifes!

I have trouble buying Jeans that fit. Seems that in the UK they don't make mens Jeans for anyone with less than a 32" waist. I'm 29". If I find some that fit around the waist then they're too short in the leg. Last time I went out to buy a pear of Jeans/Trousers I came back with one single pair - it wasnt the style I wanted but it was what I had to buy because it was the ONLY pair that would be long enough in the leg and not just fall straight down. Even so I still have to wear a belt with them (which I had to cut extra holes in so it would do up small enough).

5'11" 123 pounds (183cm/55kg) :(

Despite that I'm happy with my self image :)

As far as boobies go my personal tastes go with proportional to body but on the smaller side. A to D depending on height then :)

Mah boobs are small an' firm an' pert.

But this may not continue to be the case if Asda don't soon end their chocolate special offer :p

Earlier in the thread some women were berating their appearance. I can honestly say I've never seen a picture of a female generalite who I'd consider ugly or unattractive. So there! :)

That's puberty for ya.

Yeah. It's annoying.:(

I'd prefer not to have breasts, personally, since I don't really use them for anything. On the other hand, they don't really get in my way, and my boyfriend is extremely fond of them, so meh.

Oh now you're just hating.

I'm a D, and there's nothing grotesque or too big about these babies.

It's about proportion. A waif with giant boobs looks odd. A voluptuous woman should have boobs to match. I think most of the guys that don't like large boobs are attracted waifs.

When I was younger I was into waifs and used to always say that I thought large boobs were gross. Then I met a woman who had all the right things in all the right places and learned what a fool I'd been.

Breasts are my friends

I like them large I like small

I like them all

Bathing suit shopping. It's seriously traumatic.

You find just the right fit, in all the wrong, seriously wrong colours. And visa versa. Stuff that makes you look horrible...and as your self-esteem plummets, it just becomes a grotesque ordeal.

Bathing suits is pretty much a sucky experience for just about anyone. I don't understand how any manufacturer or store could be so dense as to think that only a couple of sizes would be good enough with material where it's so important that it fits. It's no wonder that celebs are constantly losing their suits.

I'm glad everyone here actually recognizes that you have to keep looking, because I see women on the beach all the time who look, well, let's say uncomfortable.

Bathing suits suck for me too, but at least I don't have to worry about so many different things. For most of my adult life I had a 27 inch waist and muscular legs and a good-sized butt. I looked skinny but I either have to fold over the waist on pants or wear things that were crushing my bulge (and no one wants that or needs to see it.... eew, manmal toe). It's absurd. And you can get away with folding over the waist of jeans, but you can imagine how that doesn't work out with bathing suits. Man a beachload of people have gotten to see more of Eric than they bargained for.

Even today I've got a bigger waist and off the rack pants fold a bit at the waist when I wear a belt. And I can't ever talk the tailors into actually modifying them the way I want. I don't want to have to make a choice between keeping my pants up with a folded over waistband or letting them fall down.

Shirts are worse. You buy a shirt and if it's big enough for my chest and the sleeves are long enough for my arms they assume my belly must be HUGE. Until I made enough money to start tailoring my shirts I always just looked like I was wearing a bag when I wore dress shirts.

I however, am one of those lucky people who can buy an off-the-rack suit jacket on occasion. It usually takes looking a couple of stores, but I can almost always find one that fits perfectly.

So explain that, anyone. How can I struggle so hard with shirts but find suit coats that fit perfectly? What kind of powertrippy designer crap is that?



It'd rather be flogged, frankly.

Yes, yes, but does every post have to be about your sexual proclivities?

It's about proportion. A waif with giant boobs looks odd. A voluptuous woman should have boobs to match. I think most of the guys that don't like large boobs are attracted waifs.

When I was younger I was into waifs and used to always say that I thought large boobs were gross. Then I met a woman who had all the right things in all the right places and learned what a fool I'd been.

Proportion is uber good. I find the Kiera Knightly types quite as yummy (though she does seem to be ridiculously thin lately...as are most women in Hollywood now), as the Salma Hayek (http://www.newamericandimensions.com/images/Salma-Hayek-(2).jpg) curviness.

I have trouble buying Jeans that fit. Seems that in the UK they don't make mens Jeans for anyone with less than a 32" waist. I'm 29". If I find some that fit around the waist then they're too short in the leg. Last time I went out to buy a pear of Jeans/Trousers I came back with one single pair - it wasnt the style I wanted but it was what I had to buy because it was the ONLY pair that would be long enough in the leg and not just fall straight down. Even so I still have to wear a belt with them (which I had to cut extra holes in so it would do up small enough).

5'11" 123 pounds (183cm/55kg) :(

Despite that I'm happy with my self image :)

As far as boobies go my personal tastes go with proportional to body but on the smaller side. A to D depending on height then :)


I was just over 6 feet tall and 145 pounds until I was 19. I ended up at about 200 pounds when puberty finally stopped messing with my body and still kept the small waist. It doesn't necessarily right itself altogether, but if you're young, I think you'll find you're body is still going to adjust and that jeans will tend to fit better when you get your adult body. I don't know when. I'm 32 and still waiting for my adult body.

Proportion is uber good. I find the Kiera Knightly types quite as yummy (though she does seem to be ridiculously thin lately...as are most women in Hollywood now), as the Salma Hayek (http://www.newamericandimensions.com/images/Salma-Hayek-(2).jpg) curviness.

I couldn't agree more (by the way, is it me or is Salma way, way hotter now that she's not so skinny or wasn't at least the last time I saw her).

Yeah, it's too bad when you see these really beautiful women just succumb to this idea of the perfect woman perpetuated by the designers. The odd thing is that everyone I meet over 20 thinks it's really unfortunate that these women are doing that to themselves. *shakes fist west* We want meat, hollywood. You can be healthy without looking like you're suffering from a terminal illness.

Yes, yes, but does every post have to be about your sexual proclivities?

Yes.

Folding over pants...the bane of my existance has been the low-rider trend, because you just can't fold them down any more without getting pornographic. To find jeans that fit my hips means a waist that needs serious cinching up with a belt...to the point where the fabric ends up billowing out in the front or back, and the belt is basically touching my skin, keeping the pants from falling off. I used to buy men's levi 501s, because they were a decent height (when women's jeans went up nearly under your armpits), and folded over just perfectly.

When I find a pair of jeans that fit RIGHT...I buy like three pairs immediately. I don't give a shit what brand they are as long as they actually fit my ass and waist.

I've pretty much resigned myself to the fact that if I want clothes that fit me well, I need to have them tailored. So no 'new clothes for each season' crap for me, not like I'm really a clothes hog anyway. I'll wear the stuff that semi-fits for regular use, but for work, I don't want to look like someone's cupie doll, in ill-fitting crap.

I couldn't agree more (by the way, is it me or is Salma way, way hotter now that she's not so skinny or wasn't at least the last time I saw her). Yeah, she got grotesquely skinny for a while...it just didn't suit her frame. You can't slim down hips that wonderfully round. Beyonce is another one...why on earth would you mess with that figure? Yes, I understand that the camera makes you look bigger than you are...but jesus women. Please, keep the curves. Even women who are naturally very slender are going way overboard. Then again...look at the tabloids...one day screaming about celebrity cellulite, the next screaming about skinny celebrities. There is no middle ground. Sick. Either obese, or anorexic.

I love toned bodies...if I have any body image issue, it's that... I just want more muscle tone...and really,it's not that hard to get. I was a size 1 for years and years...right up until I got pregnant the first time in fact. No hips. Looked fine, but oh, I love having hips now! I've gone from a size 1 to a size 6 or 8, depending on the style, and it's all hips baby. A friend of mine with the same body type HATES her post-kids hips and constantly bewails the change. But she looks fantastic. She just can't see it :(

When I find a pair of jeans that fit RIGHT...I buy like three pairs immediately. I don't give a shit what brand they are as long as they actually fit my ass and waist.
A few years back I figured out that Levi 505 jeans are perfectly proportioned for my body. I don't know why, but hot damn. Pretty much every other type of jeans I've tried out fits wrong in some area. A common problem I have is that jeans which fit my hips and thighs will gap around the waist (I guess I've got a lot of junk in the trunk), but jeans that fit my waist are so constricting around the legs that I can't run or bend comfortably.

Of course, I tend to believe that women's clothes are deliberately designed to be as uncomfortable as possible. Women's jeans are supposed to be so tight that you can almost never use the pockets (if there are any). Women's shoes are intentionally designed to make standing, walking, and running as uncomfortable as possible, and are frequently open-toe or otherwise useless at providing warmth for the feet. Women's garments are frequently made from thin, flimsy materials that will rip at the slightest provocation. And I recently was told that "the corset is back!" in women's formal wear. Oh, joy. Constricting pressure crushing my ribcage!

Most often, I just shop in the Boy's section. The colors are better, the fabrics and stitching last longer, and the cuts are more likely to allow you to actually move around a bit.

Yes.

Folding over pants...the bane of my existance has been the low-rider trend, because you just can't fold them down any more without getting pornographic. To find jeans that fit my hips means a waist that needs serious cinching up with a belt...to the point where the fabric ends up billowing out in the front or back, and the belt is basically touching my skin, keeping the pants from falling off. I used to buy men's levi 501s, because they were a decent height (when women's jeans went up nearly under your armpits), and folded over just perfectly.

Almost exactly my experience. It's not a miserable experience in the same way for some others, because, honestly, I really like my body. It's the result of years of training and care. It's frustrating because I want my clothes to look good and should have that option and I hate shopping, but it doesn't make me feel bad about myself. My pants right now are too long because I couldn't find jeans that fit my butt right (yeah, that's right I get to wear jeans on my current project. Sweet, huh?) and the belt is up off the waist of the pants right now.


When I find a pair of jeans that fit RIGHT...I buy like three pairs immediately. I don't give a shit what brand they are as long as they actually fit my ass and waist.

Ditto. I'll buy every color they have and sometimes a couple of one color. My friends laugh, but I'd rather have a pair of pants that fit and have people tease me bacause they all look the same. The struggle with jeans is that if they fit right sometimes they don't once they break in, which of course sucks, so I always wash just one pair and wear it for a couple of days around the house to see if they'll still fit right later. Jeans are the most comfortable and versatile pants but otherwise they totally suck. For a woman having to loosen up their jeans after they shrink in the dryer might not be that big of a deal, but for a guy it means they're crushing the parts you really don't want to crush.

And guys cannot fold over jeans. It's a faux paux.


I've pretty much resigned myself to the fact that if I want clothes that fit me well, I need to have them tailored. So no 'new clothes for each season' crap for me, not like I'm really a clothes hog anyway. I'll wear the stuff that semi-fits for regular use, but for work, I don't want to look like someone's cupie doll, in ill-fitting crap.

Yeah, finding a good tailor is a godsend. A friend of mine flies to Boston to tailor his clothes because he's been the only reliable tailor he's ever found. Tailors tend to do better with certain body types. I've never found someone good at tailoring my pants in my whole life, but I've got a couple of tailors throughout the country who can make a shirt look perfect on me.

A few years back I figured out that Levi 505 jeans are perfectly proportioned for my body. I don't know why, but hot damn. Pretty much every other type of jeans I've tried out fits wrong in some area. A common problem I have is that jeans which fit my hips and thighs will gap around the waist (I guess I've got a lot of junk in the trunk), but jeans that fit my waist are so constricting around the legs that I can't run or bend comfortably.

Of course, I tend to believe that women's clothes are deliberately designed to be as uncomfortable as possible. Women's jeans are supposed to be so tight that you can almost never use the pockets (if there are any). Women's shoes are intentionally designed to make standing, walking, and running as uncomfortable as possible, and are frequently open-toe or otherwise useless at providing warmth for the feet. Women's garments are frequently made from thin, flimsy materials that will rip at the slightest provocation. And I recently was told that "the corset is back!" in women's formal wear. Oh, joy. Constricting pressure crushing my ribcage!

Most often, I just shop in the Boy's section. The colors are better, the fabrics and stitching last longer, and the cuts are more likely to allow you to actually move around a bit.

Yeah, I don't know who's at fault there. I meet smart, attractive women who will wear shoes that make them absolutely miserable because they're pretty. As long as you buy them, they'll make them. And women wearing the wrong bras too is part ignorance and part thinking that the badly fitting bras make them look better or being caught in the appearance of being a certain size (most guys will never know what size your clothes or bras are, so I suspect it's done to impress guys).

As far as the corset, that's just the dumbest thing ever. It's kind of depressing. I realize women should be allowed to choose to wear whatever they like, but when women choose to torture themselves to look "more feminine", I can't help but feel like we're failing.

Yeah, she got grotesquely skinny for a while...it just didn't suit her frame. You can't slim down hips that wonderfully round. Beyonce is another one...why on earth would you mess with that figure? Yes, I understand that the camera makes you look bigger than you are...but jesus women. Please, keep the curves. Even women who are naturally very slender are going way overboard. Then again...look at the tabloids...one day screaming about celebrity cellulite, the next screaming about skinny celebrities. There is no middle ground. Sick. Either obese, or anorexic.

I love toned bodies...if I have any body image issue, it's that... I just want more muscle tone...and really,it's not that hard to get. I was a size 1 for years and years...right up until I got pregnant the first time in fact. No hips. Looked fine, but oh, I love having hips now! I've gone from a size 1 to a size 6 or 8, depending on the style, and it's all hips baby. A friend of mine with the same body type HATES her post-kids hips and constantly bewails the change. But she looks fantastic. She just can't see it :(

A 6 or an 8 is a fantastic size. The woman who introduced me to the wonders of the voluptuous body was an 8 and she told me later that she'd gotten sick and ended up a 6 and I was terribly disappointed. Women can be all sorts of sizes, but lamenting being a 6 or an 8 is just amazing to me.

wtfuck is up with this thread? i find it a bit weird that someone wants to kno this

As a man who worships Bill Hicks, I think he'd find your grammar completely unacceptable.

I spit on you. Patooey. Hmph.

Bathing suits suck for me too, but at least I don't have to worry about so many different things. For most of my adult life I had a 27 inch waist and muscular legs and a good-sized butt. I looked skinny but I either have to fold over the waist on pants or wear things that were crushing my bulge (and no one wants that or needs to see it.... eew, manmal toe). It's absurd. And you can get away with folding over the waist of jeans, but you can imagine how that doesn't work out with bathing suits. Man a beachload of people have gotten to see more of Eric than they bargained for.

Even today I've got a bigger waist and off the rack pants fold a bit at the waist when I wear a belt. And I can't ever talk the tailors into actually modifying them the way I want. I don't want to have to make a choice between keeping my pants up with a folded over waistband or letting them fall down.

Shirts are worse. You buy a shirt and if it's big enough for my chest and the sleeves are long enough for my arms they assume my belly must be HUGE. Until I made enough money to start tailoring my shirts I always just looked like I was wearing a bag when I wore dress shirts.

I however, am one of those lucky people who can buy an off-the-rack suit jacket on occasion. It usually takes looking a couple of stores, but I can almost always find one that fits perfectly.

So explain that, anyone. How can I struggle so hard with shirts but find suit coats that fit perfectly? What kind of powertrippy designer crap is that?





Yes, yes, but does every post have to be about your sexual proclivities?

A 27 inch waist?? Do you mind if I ask what you're up to now?

27 is incredibly small,no?

Yeah, I don't know who's at fault there. I meet smart, attractive women who will wear shoes that make them absolutely miserable because they're pretty. As long as you buy them, they'll make them.

As far as I am concerned, the most unattractive thing women routinely do to their bodies is wearing stupid shoes. I do my very best to not make snap judgments about people, but I have to admit...I instantly like somebody less if I see them wearing those stupid pointed-toe stilt shoes.


And women wearing the wrong bras too is part ignorance and part thinking that the badly fitting bras make them look better or being caught in the appearance of being a certain size (most guys will never know what size your clothes or bras are, so I suspect it's done to impress guys).

I think the bra thing is mostly just ignorance. I honestly did not even know what cup size actually is until last year. I knew it had to do with how big they were, but I had no idea how it was calculated or what it meant in reference to the number on the size. Also, a lot of women are wearing the wrong size because they don't know how a bra is really supposed to fit.


As far as the corset, that's just the dumbest thing ever. It's kind of depressing. I realize women should be allowed to choose to wear whatever they like, but when women choose to torture themselves to look "more feminine", I can't help but feel like we're failing.
I love how all the uncomfortable bullshit clothing is supposed to be "empowering" now. Like, women are "reclaiming their sexuality" by wearing over-priced shitty sexbot outfits that smash their ribs, warp their feet, and constrict pretty much every part of their body. I guess "reclaiming sexuality" means "going to any lengths to be attractive to the kind of guys who watch way too much porno."

To me, that sounds like exactly the same old sexuality women have always had: sexuality that revolves around what men supposedly want to see, and which most often requires that women spend tons of time and money making their bodies less comfortable and less healthy.

I can only buy pants in the petite section, because they are standard 30L. I can't be arsed to hem pants, and I am not paying to have them done, when I just forked out the bucks to get them in the first place. They never have the same selection though. And lately, if you're not a size 1 or a size 14, you're out of luck in the petite sections. Frick.

Oh but I really hate buying those short pants...not capris, the looser ones...in regular sizes they look like flood pants, just above the ankle instead of at about mid-calf or just under the knee. So when I DO find some that actually fit right, it's a miracle.

Mostly I hate shirt shopping. If it fits my bust, it's generally too loose. And a lot of shirts are too tight in the arms too...I have biceps, not enormous ones, but big enough that I don't fit into the broom-handle sized sleeves some of these shirts come in.

Bitterness.


Yeah, there's another shirt part (isn't funny that this thread turned into a discussion on the fit of clothes) shoulders and arms. I have fairly large arms and shirts seem to assume that if you have big arms, you're fat, so big waist, or if your skinny in the waist so are your arms so I either have to wear a sack or tear the arms off my shirt. And many, many shirts don't place the connection between the arm and the torso of the shirt in the right place on the shoulder, because I suspect they expect shoulders to be more narrow. That is so frustrating. I'm not odd-looking as far as I can tell. I'm very proportionate. Why is it expecting too much for clothes to fit a proportionate man. That's one thing I hate about America. Because I had no trouble finding nice shirts in Norway.

As far as I am concerned, the most unattractive thing women routinely do to their bodies is wearing stupid shoes. I do my very best to not make snap judgments about people, but I have to admit...I instantly like somebody less if I see them wearing those stupid pointed-toe stilt shoes.


I think the bra thing is mostly just ignorance. I honestly did not even know what cup size actually is until last year. I knew it had to do with how big they were, but I had no idea how it was calculated or what it meant in reference to the number on the size. Also, a lot of women are wearing the wrong size because they don't know how a bra is really supposed to fit.


I love how all the uncomfortable bullshit clothing is supposed to be "empowering" now. Like, women are "reclaiming their sexuality" by wearing over-priced shitty sexbot outfits that smash their ribs, warp their feet, and constrict pretty much every part of their body. I guess "reclaiming sexuality" means "going to any lengths to be attractive to the kind of guys who watch way too much porno."

To me, that sounds like exactly the same old sexuality women have always had: sexuality that revolves around what men supposedly want to see, and which most often requires that women spend tons of time and money making their bodies less comfortable and less healthy.


While women that are "all done up" do catch the eye-Platinum blonde,makeup, pushed-up bras,high heels,etc... I've always been attracted to women that appear more natural-And comfortable with being natural.
I dont like the stilted heel look-so many look like they are in awkward pain and about to trip,with their toes squeezed into a tight point.
No-I prefer a hint of well-applied make-up,if its even needed.
I like well-fitted clothes that dont restrict or "enhance".

And I like the confidence exuded by a woman that has natural beauty and feels good about it.

Without a stupid over-priced handbag to match.

A 27 inch waist?? Do you mind if I ask what you're up to now?

27 is incredibly small,no?

32 if I've been eating poorly. I like that waist much better, but when my waist went up so did my butt and legs so now I have to wear at least 34's usually just to keep them remotely comfortable.

My girlfriend was teasing me that the reason I was wearing 36's was because I'd gained weight and that I should accept it. Then I asked her to hand me a can of Crisco and stuck the whole thing in the waist. I hate the waists on pants.

EDIT: Oh, and yes, incredibly small. I won tons and tons of bets because people either didn't believe my waist was so small or if they've never seen me shirtless that I weigh as much as I do. I've had women be off on my weight by as much as 40 pounds.

"You're not really my type. I want a big guy who I know can protect me."
"Oh, really, what size would be a big guy?"
"You're height is good, but someone that's like 200 pounds or so."
At which point I start laughing and thank the gods I learned that about her before I wasted any time.

As far as I am concerned, the most unattractive thing women routinely do to their bodies is wearing stupid shoes. I do my very best to not make snap judgments about people, but I have to admit...I instantly like somebody less if I see them wearing those stupid pointed-toe stilt shoes.


I think the bra thing is mostly just ignorance. I honestly did not even know what cup size actually is until last year. I knew it had to do with how big they were, but I had no idea how it was calculated or what it meant in reference to the number on the size. Also, a lot of women are wearing the wrong size because they don't know how a bra is really supposed to fit.


I love how all the uncomfortable bullshit clothing is supposed to be "empowering" now. Like, women are "reclaiming their sexuality" by wearing over-priced shitty sexbot outfits that smash their ribs, warp their feet, and constrict pretty much every part of their body. I guess "reclaiming sexuality" means "going to any lengths to be attractive to the kind of guys who watch way too much porno."

To me, that sounds like exactly the same old sexuality women have always had: sexuality that revolves around what men supposedly want to see, and which most often requires that women spend tons of time and money making their bodies less comfortable and less healthy.

But we don't. At all. Not the healthy guys. We want to see a girl who is wearing comfortable clothes because she KNOWS she's hot. We want to see a girl who comes to the breakfast you just slaved over BEFORE she's hits the head to clean herself up. We want to see a girl who looks healthy and happy.

That's what we want to see. Listen to what men gripe about and think about whether that's more likely to be seen in a women who does the things you describe or in the woman I describe. I don't know anyone looking for the woman you describe.

And, yes, I know it's probably not right to judge on looks alone, but there are two things that make me instantly think someone is stupid, smoking and wearing uncomfortable clothing. It's one thing if you put on a little weight or lost some and now it doesn't fit right, but clothing designed in a way that is uncomfortable is just stupid. Now, neither of these things actually mean you're stupid, but honestly, it's my first thought.

32 if I've been eating poorly. I like that waist much better, but when my waist went up so did my butt and legs so now I have to wear at least 34's usually just to keep them remotely comfortable.

My girlfriend was teasing me that the reason I was wearing 36's was because I'd gained weight and that I should accept it. Then I asked her to hand me a can of Crisco and stuck the whole thing in the waist. I hate the waists on pants.

Eating bad food or not enough food? 32 is still small if you're 6 ft. Thats a body builder's goal.

I'm wearing 36

But we don't. At all. Not the healthy guys. We want to see a girl who is wearing comfortable clothes because she KNOWS she's hot. We want to see a girl who comes to the breakfast you just slaved over BEFORE she's hits the head to clean herself up. We want to see a girl who looks healthy and happy.




Yes- and I want to see her doing jumping jacks and squat thrusts.

But we don't. At all. Not the healthy guys. We want to see a girl who is wearing comfortable clothes because she KNOWS she's hot. We want to see a girl who comes to the breakfast you just slaved over BEFORE she's hits the head to clean herself up. We want to see a girl who looks healthy and happy.

That's what we want to see. Listen to what men gripe about and think about whether that's more likely to be seen in a women who does the things you describe or in the woman I describe. I don't know anyone looking for the woman you describe.

I know plenty of guys who respond to pornulated woman-images and prefer girls who are buying into that stuff. I also know plenty of guys who work the way you describe. Personally, I think any girl who buys clothes based on what EITHER group prefers is a moron. Pleasing other people's gaze is way over rated.

I think it's best to buy practical, comfortable clothing because it's better to be comfortable than to be uncomfortable, and it's better to be able to move and do things than it is to be constricted and hampered. Attractiveness to others is a distant second when it comes to clothing priorities. :D


And, yes, I know it's probably not right to judge on looks alone, but there are two things that make me instantly think someone is stupid, smoking and wearing uncomfortable clothing. It's one thing if you put on a little weight or lost some and now it doesn't fit right, but clothing designed in a way that is uncomfortable is just stupid. Now, neither of these things actually mean you're stupid, but honestly, it's my first thought.
Yeah, that's pretty much how I work. I know that there are otherwise awesome people who wear really stupid shoes, but I just can't seem to squash my gut reaction to people in stupid shoes.

My breasts: Too damn hairy, but other than that, they're just fine.
Image: Don't really know that I have one.
Political: I'm an anti-authoritarian, so obviously that's not going too well.
Alcohol: *Sings* I just can't get enuff, I just can't get enuff... Mostly because it's so expensive. Pour me.
Molecular: Dunno. They're the quiet sort, I guess.
Thermonuclear: Rad.

All in all, I think I'm wonderful. Though I need a cold beer.

Not the healthy guys. We want to see a girl who is wearing comfortable clothes because she KNOWS she's hot. We want to see a girl who comes to the breakfast you just slaved over BEFORE she's hits the head to clean herself up. We want to see a girl who looks healthy and happy.Personally I want to see her without clothes, but that's just me. Ok, being moderately serious, I don't care overly much about what people wear. I appreciate, however, that my girl wants to look nice for me, and it's a mutual thing. Can't argue with the healthy & happy thing, but I have a feeling people generally want to see others look that way.

Eating bad food or not enough food? 32 is still small if you're 6 ft. Thats a body builder's goal.

I'm wearing 36

That's pretty much it. I don't look like a body builder anymore, but I certainly used to. I'm one of those lucky people that put in tons of work when they were younger and their body was forming, so the amount work I have to do now is limited. Don't get me started on how stupid it is that kids drink soda all day long and various other things. No amount of work on your body as an adult will pay off as much as taking care of yourself when you're growing. Young people on the forum - here that. Take care of yourselves now, even if you're skinny or you don't have to excercise, take care of yourself now and you'll have to worry about it less for the rest of your life. Play a sport, join a running club, push away the pizza for lunch that you have every single day and have a sandwich, drink OJ or apple juice or water instead of a Pepsi. /off topic

That's pretty much it. I don't look like a body builder anymore, but I certainly used to. I'm one of those lucky people that put in tons of work when they were younger and their body was forming, so the amount work I have to do now is limited. Don't get me started on how stupid it is that kids drink soda all day long and various other things. No amount of work on your body as an adult will pay off as much as taking care of yourself when you're growing. Young people on the forum - here that. Take care of yourselves now, even if you're skinny or you don't have to excercise, take care of yourself now and you'll have to worry about it less for the rest of your life. Play a sport, join a running club, push away the pizza for lunch that you have every single day and have a sandwich, drink OJ or apple juice or water instead of a Pepsi. /off topic

I agree- It pays to start with a good foundation. Then,you usually just need reasonable maintenance down the road- not drastic tear downs and re-builds.

I think it's best to buy practical, comfortable clothing because it's better to be comfortable than to be uncomfortable, and it's better to be able to move and do things than it is to be constricted and hampered. Attractiveness to others is a distant second when it comes to clothing priorities. :D

I agree with that :)
One of the reasons I bloody hate suits... They're stupidly impractical, expensive, and they have to be dry cleaned. Jeans and T-shirt, with a jacket if it's cold, is more practical and they look better and are more comfortable. It ain't as bad as many of the things women do in the name of fashion (and I've pretty much given up suggesting they stop torturing themselves, they always look at you funny), but that doesn't mean I have to like it ;p
Clothes are to keep you warm, dry and protect you from your environment (or vice versa). Anything else is surplus to requirements and purely personal taste >_<

I also agree with Jocabia and CL on preferring natural, "normal" looking, plausibly-proportioned women. Something I don't understand; the models you get in fashion magazines. Urgh. Looked through one of my girlfriend's mags... The models are horrible. they look emaciated, ill, scrawny; downright ugly, frankly. Nobody I've ever met has said they find them attractive, and yet women are supposed to make themselves ill to look like it. Doubleyou tee eff?

I'm pretty certain that you can't lay the blame for those on men, either... The models in men's magazines (Or FHM, which is the only one I've ever really read) might be skinny in general (too skinny for my tastes, often), but they're not the animated, figureless skeletons you seem to get in women's magazines.

Then I asked her to hand me a can of Crisco and stuck the whole thing in the waist. Yeah sure that's what you used the Crisco for.:rolleyes: :D

I agree with that :)
One of the reasons I bloody hate suits... They're stupidly impractical, expensive, and they have to be dry cleaned. Jeans and T-shirt, with a jacket if it's cold, is more practical and they look better and are more comfortable. It ain't as bad as many of the things women do in the name of fashion (and I've pretty much given up suggesting they stop torturing themselves, they always look at you funny), but that doesn't mean I have to like it ;p
Clothes are to keep you warm, dry and protect you from your environment (or vice versa). Anything else is surplus to requirements and purely personal taste >_<

Damn right.


I also agree with Jocabia and CL on preferring natural, "normal" looking, plausibly-proportioned women. Something I don't understand; the models you get in fashion magazines. Urgh. Looked through one of my girlfriend's mags... The models are horrible. they look emaciated, ill, scrawny; downright ugly, frankly. Nobody I've ever met has said they find them attractive, and yet women are supposed to make themselves ill to look like it. Doubleyou tee eff?

I'm not at all attracted to stick-women, either. I get the giggles whenever I see runway models, because I get this deep Russian voice in my head saying, "I vill break you!!!"


I'm pretty certain that you can't lay the blame for those on men, either... The models in men's magazines (Or FHM, which is the only one I've ever really read) might be skinny in general (too skinny for my tastes, often), but they're not the animated, figureless skeletons you seem to get in women's magazines.
The fashion industry is still overwhelmingly run by men. The major clothing lines are virtually always designed, financed, promoted, or otherwise dictated by men. I don't think it's yet time for us to start claiming that the idiocies of women's fashion have nothing to do with men, or that men aren't responsible for these trends. Sure they are. Plenty.

Women are responsible for their complicity in it, though. Female designers tend to be better about making realistic clothing for slightly more realistic bodies, but they still fall far, far short of true sanity. I hesitate to give the actual models much shit for their part in things, too, because I just pity them so damn much. I know that's paternalistic of me, but I just feel so sad when I really think about most of them, and when I read stories about models collapsing from malnutrition and such. What the hell must have been done to them, to make them treat their own bodies that way?

The fashion industry is still overwhelmingly run by men. The major clothing lines are virtually always designed, financed, promoted, or otherwise dictated by men. I don't think it's yet time for us to start claiming that the idiocies of women's fashion have nothing to do with men, or that men aren't responsible for these trends. Sure they are. Plenty. Gay men, hon. So gay men are responsible for stick-thin model women? I KNEW there was a gay conspiracy!

I agree with that :)I don't. It doesn't ecactly require a superhuman effort to find practical, comfortable, and good looking clothing, and I don't think there's anything wrong with trying to meet one's own standards of beauty.

I agree, however, that such a standard has to be one's own. Otherwise I can't imagine it wouldn't be inherently uncomfortable. I'm a punker, for example, and according to my own standard, I think I look pretty fucking nice. Hell, I'd do me. My girl isn't, and makes no attempts to look like one to please me. She does try to look her best though, just like I do. And it's much appreciated.

Perhaps people should just stop being so damn eager to conform to eachother's rubbish. Other than helping the clothing industry by cutting their production costs, I fail to see the point of it.

I don't. It doesn't ecactly require a superhuman effort to find practical, comfortable, and good looking clothing, and I don't think there's anything wrong with trying to meet one's own standards of beauty.

Yup. I also find I tend to dress more for women than for men, because women notice. Men just drool :)

But I do draw the line at uncomfortable footwear. As a teacher I was on my feet all day, and that would have been torture. But I still manage to get fashionable shoes/boots that look good on me, and I can stand in for up to 8 hours.

I need to dress a certain way for my job, and it was tough at first because it didn't fit my personal style. But now I quite like it. I find I really have changed the way I dress because what I was comfortable in as a stoned, drunk, brawling teen, is not what I'm comfortable in now. I never, ever wore dresses or skirts for example. Now I'm a fan of getting dressed up.

The uncomfortable shoes get saved for situations where I won't be standing in them for long.

I'm pretty happy with my breasts - they're among the very few parts of my body that I actually like. I've been told that they're "amazingly perfect," and not just by people with any expectation of playing with them, either. :p My only semi-gripe with my boobs would be the fact that it is darn near impossible to find a bra that fits me. It gets to the point where I honestly suspect I would rather be punched in the stomach repeatedly than go bra shopping.

My self-image varies wildly between very high and very low, depending on the time of day, the weather, how much sleep I got, etc.

I think it's best to buy practical, comfortable clothing because it's better to be comfortable than to be uncomfortable, and it's better to be able to move and do things than it is to be constricted and hampered. Attractiveness to others is a distant second when it comes to clothing priorities. :D

Not to mention that when wearing comfortable clothing one feels comfortable, and attractiveness is just a projection of how you feel onto others. Thus people who feel confident and attractive will appear attractive to others, whereas those who feel inconfident and unattractive will appear that way as well. Wearing comfortable clothing tends to make one feel more self-confident, and therefore, more attractive to others.

Or something. :confused:

Damn right.


I'm not at all attracted to stick-women, either. I get the giggles whenever I see runway models, because I get this deep Russian voice in my head saying, "I vill break you!!!"


The fashion industry is still overwhelmingly run by men. The major clothing lines are virtually always designed, financed, promoted, or otherwise dictated by men. I don't think it's yet time for us to start claiming that the idiocies of women's fashion have nothing to do with men, or that men aren't responsible for these trends. Sure they are. Plenty.

Women are responsible for their complicity in it, though. Female designers tend to be better about making realistic clothing for slightly more realistic bodies, but they still fall far, far short of true sanity. I hesitate to give the actual models much shit for their part in things, too, because I just pity them so damn much. I know that's paternalistic of me, but I just feel so sad when I really think about most of them, and when I read stories about models collapsing from malnutrition and such. What the hell must have been done to them, to make them treat their own bodies that way?

Straight men? Maybe I'm falling into a stereotype, but it seems like the majority of powerful men in the fashion industry are not straight. That doesn't matter, except why are women deciding to look like what gay men think is attractive? Is it really that surprising that they choose women that are missing for the most part all of the feminine features (hard face, no boobs, no hips).

And if we're moving past the stereotypes, it's possible, just possible that their biggest concern with models is whether or not they look good in their clothes and it has almost nothing to do with caring if they are the "right kind of woman".

Yup. I also find I tend to dress more for women than for men, because women notice. Men just drool :)

But I do draw the line at uncomfortable footwear. As a teacher I was on my feet all day, and that would have been torture. But I still manage to get fashionable shoes/boots that look good on me, and I can stand in for up to 8 hours.

I need to dress a certain way for my job, and it was tough at first because it didn't fit my personal style. But now I quite like it. I find I really have changed the way I dress because what I was comfortable in as a stoned, drunk, brawling teen, is not what I'm comfortable in now. I never, ever wore dresses or skirts for example. Now I'm a fan of getting dressed up.

The uncomfortable shoes get saved for situations where I won't be standing in them for long.

Again, similar to my experience. I used to hate dress clothes and now I feel better wearing them than most other things (though I get to dress casual so infrequently now, that jeans are a treat). I almost always wear dress shirts unless I'm working out or working with my hands.

When I first started in my current job, I was a white socks with black shoes kind of guy. Now I like the way my clothes feel and the image it projects. It feels right.

However, I still hate ties. I have a big adam's apple and I feel like I'm being choked. I'd pretty much rather be kicked in the crotch than feel like I'm being gently throttled for eight hours.

The uncomfortable shoes get saved for situations where I won't be standing in them for long.


Yes. The high heels do hold the feet behind the ears nicely.

Yes. The high heels do hold the feet behind the ears nicely.

Not any better than limber feet and limber feet are better for your health and ability to reach pencils you've dropped, plus imagine the possiblities.

I'm transgendered M to F, and I'm eagerly waiting for them to get bigger.

Not any better than limber feet and limber feet are better for your health and ability to reach pencils you've dropped, plus imagine the possiblities.

Uh...I never drop the pencil.

I'm transgendered M to F, and I'm eagerly waiting for them to get bigger.

play with them. That should help.

I'm not at all attracted to stick-women, either. I get the giggles whenever I see runway models, because I get this deep Russian voice in my head saying, "I vill break you!!!"
Hahaha :D

The fashion industry is still overwhelmingly run by men. The major clothing lines are virtually always designed, financed, promoted, or otherwise dictated by men. I don't think it's yet time for us to start claiming that the idiocies of women's fashion have nothing to do with men, or that men aren't responsible for these trends. Sure they are. Plenty.

Ah, I meant "common or garden" men, the people who men's mags are targeted at, etc. I honestly have no idea about fashion designers, but I've seen a few pictures of the kind of stuff they put on catwalks... They're freaks! Run away! I disassociate myself from them, no matter their gender ;)

Women are responsible for their complicity in it, though. Female designers tend to be better about making realistic clothing for slightly more realistic bodies, but they still fall far, far short of true sanity. I hesitate to give the actual models much shit for their part in things, too, because I just pity them so damn much. I know that's paternalistic of me, but I just feel so sad when I really think about most of them, and when I read stories about models collapsing from malnutrition and such. What the hell must have been done to them, to make them treat their own bodies that way?

I have no idea... Is having a few pictures in the paper and five minutes of fame worth it? Wouldn't streaking at a football match achieve the same, but without the osteoporosis and other nasties?
And the models can only wear what they're given, I agree. I don't know much about fashion, but I don't know any male who wants women to starve themselves or damage their feet to look "pretty". Maybe they're all designing clothes and running magazines, where they can do the most damage :s

I'm transgendered M to F, and I'm eagerly waiting for them to get bigger.

I'm sure they'll be lovely:)

Not any better than limber feet and limber feet are better for your health and ability to reach pencils you've dropped, plus imagine the possiblities.

The two are not mutually exclusive. If I save the heels for situations Carn has described, I can still have limber feet.

I saw some interesting things done with female feet lately...on other females. I love the internet.

Male or female. Or for that matter your image, be it personal, political, alcoholic, molecular, or thermonuclear?

I'll go with Pancake on this one.

Personal: Short, fat, weak. The only things I like are my stache and my hair.
Political: Not too bad.
Alcoholic: I don't drink.
Molecular: Same as everybody else's.
Thermonuclear: BOOM!

Ah, I meant "common or garden" men, the people who men's mags are targeted at, etc. I honestly have no idea about fashion designers, but I've seen a few pictures of the kind of stuff they put on catwalks... They're freaks! Run away! I disassociate myself from them, no matter their gender ;)

Yeah, it's kinda weird...actors and actresses seem to at least somewhat reflect the popular trends in taste for real people, but fashion models (male or female) end up looking really freaking.

I mean seriously, have you looked at the cheekbones on some of those male models? You could slice lemons on those things. Weeeeeird.


I have no idea... Is having a few pictures in the paper and five minutes of fame worth it? Wouldn't streaking at a football match achieve the same, but without the osteoporosis and other nasties?

Word. Plus, naked. Wahoo.

I mean seriously, have you looked at the cheekbones on some of those male models? You could slice lemons on those things. Weeeeeird.Not to mention their bodies looks like some strange morph of preeteen kids and KZ murder victims. Damn, if I looked at those odd things and went "Ooo! Sexy!" I'd commit myself to the nearest psych ward.

It's about proportion. A waif with giant boobs looks odd. A voluptuous woman should have boobs to match. I think most of the guys that don't like large boobs are attracted waifs.

When I was younger I was into waifs and used to always say that I thought large boobs were gross. Then I met a woman who had all the right things in all the right places and learned what a fool I'd been.

I just had to LOL to this. =)

I just had to LOL to this. =)

I'm not laughing. I still miss them. She was a twin, but I'm not referring to her and her sister. Actually, I take that back...

A 6 or an 8 is a fantastic size. The woman who introduced me to the wonders of the voluptuous body was an 8 and she told me later that she'd gotten sick and ended up a 6 and I was terribly disappointed. Women can be all sorts of sizes, but lamenting being a 6 or an 8 is just amazing to me.

I don't know that I've ever heard a woman who wears an 8 termed "voluptuous." Where does that leave those of us who wear more like a 14 or 16? :eek:

As far as the corset, that's just the dumbest thing ever. It's kind of depressing. I realize women should be allowed to choose to wear whatever they like, but when women choose to torture themselves to look "more feminine", I can't help but feel like we're failing.

To be fair, not all corsets are torture. I wouldn't dream of wearing one of the corsets that is super-constricting and actually begins to move organs around (although I did get fitted for one once just for fun). But some corsets don't really feel all that restricting. They end up achieving a more streamlined look, but without really making you uncomfortable. Those are the fun ones.

I don't know that I've ever heard a woman who wears an 8 termed "voluptuous." Where does that leave those of us who wear more like a 14 or 16? :eek:

Oh, come on. It's not like there's a name for each size. Whether or not you qualify for voluptuous in my eyes depends on how you look, not how much you weigh, in my humble opinion. If you look like an hourglass, particularly if the top and bottom of the hourglass is out there, then I'd use the term. If not, then some other equally attractive term would apply.

And, trust me, if you'd seen her there is no way you'd disagree with my assessment. Young boys and old men used to faint around this girl.

To be fair, not all corsets are torture. I wouldn't dream of wearing one of the corsets that is super-constricting and actually begins to move organs around (although I did get fitted for one once just for fun). But some corsets don't really feel all that restricting. They end up achieving a more streamlined look, but without really making you uncomfortable. Those are the fun ones.

I have to say that the dress blues are a bit corsetlike, and it's kind of comfortable, almost like you're being held up. Now after a while, that's irritating, but I find it very comfortable to stand around in (as we usually did in dress blues). Not too bad to dress in. Made it so you hade to move more with your legs and hips, but the upper torso was pretty locked in.

Corsets can be super fun without being unduly constrictive. They also provide great purchase if the lacings are in the back.

Corsets can be super fun without being unduly constrictive. They also provide great purchase if the lacings are in the back.

I recently met a costumer who wants to use me as a guinea pig for a new corset pattern she got. It's a medieval style corset - which means it will lace in the back, front, and sides. It'll also be reversible!

The only corset I've ever worn was the Fredericks of Hollywood "try to find a decent size" sort, so I'm really excited about getting one that is specifically fitted for me.

I'm not as concerned about my moobs as I used to be. I know for a fact I'm not overweight, fat just sorta wants to pool around the nipples. And they've shrunk, so yay!

Besides, I'm sure you'll blossom into a beautiful woman. Or so I'd imagine a few people around here of similiar age to you might hope, anyway.

*cough*

Oy the thread drifted on me. Very well then

In america, we barely found 34 34 pants, they still slid down, and weren't really long enough.

But all these damned stairs in Luxembourg (We're tiny, we build up, not out) has my waist down more, and I've grown about three inches, mostly legs.

My pants will fall straight the fuck down. and the won't cover my ankles till my undies are exposed.

As for shirts, there was this 4 for $20 thing in a Foot Locker on Tall tees. I have about two dozen XXL T-Shirts, solid colors. Three greens, a couple peaches, one or two yellows, two dark blues, a lighter, but not light blue, two blues, a slightly lighter blue, a light blue, two teals, two reds, an orange, a brown, two whites, a black...You get the idea. They'd be dresses on my friends, but they give me room for my pants to go down some without anything being seen.

Any pictures yet? :p

Any pictures yet? :p

One a few pages back. I'll post some random boobage for you Zilly, but only cos I wub you.
There you go (http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q100/TheSteveslols/attachment-7.jpg)

On topic:I'm boobless, which suits me fine. I can live without moobs.

One a few pages back. I'll post some random boobage for you Zilly, but only cos I wub you.
There you go (http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q100/TheSteveslols/attachment-7.jpg)

On topic:I'm boobless, which suits me fine. I can live without moobs.

You're just posting pictures of random people?

You're just posting pictures of random people?

I wouldn't say random, precisely.

You're just posting pictures of random people?

Picture, person, not exactly.

Picture, person, not exactly.

Is the person random to us?