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Depending on one's outlook on both life and the afterlife, one could consider torture as worse than murder, as murder at least theoretically is an end to suffering. I consider rape an especially terrible form of torture, so would it not make sense to impose a harsher punishment on a rapist than a murderer?

Now, I'm hoping I'm misinterpreting this, but are you suggesting we torture rapists?

No, I'm suggesting we execute them. I do not support torture for any reason.

There is nothing worse than taking someone's life. You have no chance to rebuild and recover from being killed.

Life is something the law should protect in the strictest terms.

If the penalty for murder isn't considerably harsher than the penalty for rape, you'll find a lot more dead rape victims, thus making it a lot harder to convict the rapist/murderer.

There is nothing worse than taking someone's life. You have no chance to rebuild and recover from being killed.

Life is something the law should protect in the strictest terms.

That's a product of your outlook, which I applaud at being particularly noble. I just think that the idea of "rehabilitating" violent criminals is folly, and instead they should be removed completely. It's cold, I know, but I'm not claiming to be right or wrong.

That's a product of your outlook, which I applaud at being particularly noble. I just think that the idea of "rehabilitating" violent criminals is folly, and instead they should be removed completely. It's cold, I know, but I'm not claiming to be right or wrong.

How is your violence against them any different to their violence against their victim?

That's a question I've seen in many debates, and I have yet to see anyone answer it well. It can be tied to nearly any and every life-ending event throughout history, and if you posed that question to the most experienced politician, he'd be stuck for an answer too. All I can say in my defense is that I don't really value life overly much any way, but I do value having a sense of order, and confidence that I can walk the streets and only face 100 probable causes of death rather than 105.

you should never mandate a sentence that will cause a jury to be unwilling to hand out a guilty verdict.

you should never mandate a sentence that will cause a jury to be unwilling to hand out a guilty verdict.

Touche.

I believe that rape is worse than murder, but I am against the death penalty.

Murder is worse than rape as the victim can never recover from the murder.

Murder is worse than rape as the victim can never recover from the murder.

So it's your view that living with trauma and sometimes even pariah status is still better than escaping?

So it's your view that living with trauma and sometimes even pariah status is still better than escaping?

It is not my view that death is escaping.

There is nothing worse than taking someone's life. You have no chance to rebuild and recover from being killed.

Life is something the law should protect in the strictest terms.

By that logic, no militarizes should be maintained, as war, the act of the state, is conducted through death and destruction.

I think certain crimes with sufficient consent and knowledge on the part of the actor should result in said actor becoming the property of the victim, victim's family or whoever wants to have them. They can then be put into forced labor and have any usual payment go to the victim.

Man law: As a proud member of manlaw (with over 331,000 members) we dictate our own punsihment for rape. If a man is beating a women or child, It is fair to take said man out behind a shed or any building or large truck and show him how to fight with a man. Multiple men may be used against a man who was hitting a women or child since by hitting a woman or a child he does not know what a fair fight is anyways. If it is a case of beating a woman or child no shots to the crotch are called for. If it is a case of rape, multiple shots to crotch are called for, since the punishment must fit the crime and rape is violence towards that part of the body. So basically man law states: Rape is completely unacceptable, and those guilty of it will be beat up by many men of manlaw as possible and kicked hard in the crotch as many times as possible in the fight since they deserve it. I believe that this is indeed a just punishment for rapists.

Castrate them.

What if the murder involved Torture like that BLT Killer guy...

No, I'm suggesting we execute them. I do not support torture for any reason.


Punishment for murder can be execution (well, thats what most people go for in cases where the death penalty is allowed)..so if you think rape deserves an even harsher punishment than that.....

Anyways
Murder is worse than rape. They are equally heinous but you are causing death in murder..no life after that. A rape victim has a chance at life.

Murder, no matter what, is the end of life. Afterlife or no, you're stealing from them their existence in this world, and that is utterly wrong and deserves even a greater punishment than torture. Torture may cause incredible suffering, but it still preserves their life...killing is the ultimate theft and deserves to be punished accordingly.

Castrate them.
Yup, well that's what I was saying, how much you think'll be left after 10 hard kicks to the crotch.

Yup, well that's what I was saying, how much you think'll be left after 10 hard kicks to the crotch.

To do something that malicious, not to mention draconian, you would have to be absolutely, 100%, no doubt, certain of the man's guilt. As our system stands now (American), there is rarely that sort of certainty, so in all likelihood you'd be condemning an innocent man to something I would consider worse than death.

And also, what about men raped by women? It happens, though it is highly, highly underreported, for the obvious reasons (not being believed, shame, and so on). For whatever reason, a lot of people don't think it's even possible, though it is known to happen frequently enough. Guess if you don't see it on Law and Order, it doesn't happen? Anyway, would you impose such measures on a female rapist, or just the men?

Rape is very terrible, I would never deny that, but I think it's worth keeping our normal, already quite severe laws, just to protect the inevitable innocents convicted.

How is your violence against them any different to their violence against their victim?

Wellll.... how is taxation different from theft? How is imprisonment different from kidnapping?

No. Rape is not, was never, and shall never be a worse crime than murder. Nor shall execution, nor torture, nor castration, nor anything else a group of sick, self-righteous fucks with too much time on their hands comes up with be an appropriate punishment for rape.