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In what is becoming a trend among conservative Christians in the United States, girls as young as nine are pledging to their fathers to remain virgins until they wed, in elaborate ceremonies dubbed "Purity Balls."

Personally, I think it's a pretty idiotic practice.

Your thoughts?

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That smiley totally sums you up :p

On topic: Bet the girls don't promise not to use dildos though...

EDIT: 777th post err... wooh I guess...

Yeah, we also signed those "I will not drink" pledges in high school. That lasted all of three weeks...

I remember hearing on Studio 60 (hey- Sorkin usually got his shit right on West Wing) that teenage pregnancy rates among girls who took these pledges were higher than those who didn't.

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Personally, I think it's a pretty idiotic practice.

Your thoughts?

Why is it idiotic?

I read this as "No shit until til I'm married, I promise"

Now that would be dedication.

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Personally, I think it's a pretty idiotic practice.

Your thoughts?

why?

isn't it their choice?

would you say the same if it's people pledging to not smoke or drink alcohol or to donate money or volunteer to help a charity/organization?

now as long as they are still taught Safe sex, or at least given the option to attend Safe Sex classes...

I read this as "No shit until til I'm married, I promise"

Now that would be dedication.

They'd be terribly obese. Who'd marry them? :confused:

Why is it idiotic?

Because some people think that staying "pure" until marriage is idiotic.

Sex is a naughty word?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070322/lf_afp/afplifestyleussexchastity_070322082138

Personally, I think it's a pretty idiotic practice.

Your thoughts?Wouldn't it be best if (such) Christians just remained virgins all their lives?

Yeah, we also signed those "I will not drink" pledges in high school. That lasted all of three weeks...

well, I tried that once... but I got sooo thirsty I had to change that to a "I will not Drink Alcohol" pledge... :p

Because some people think that staying "pure" until marriage is idiotic.

I know that, but I am wondering if Deus Malum is refering to the pledge, or to the ball. (or both, for that matter)

It sorta turns me on.

;)

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Personally, I think it's a pretty idiotic practice.

Your thoughts?

BWAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!

(Rolls on the floor laughing)

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Personally, I think it's a pretty idiotic practice.

Your thoughts?

my mum made me promise that when i was a kid. never got any ring or pomp and ceremony for it though. damn women managed to persuade my impressionable young mind that it was evil and disgusting and immoral to have sex before marriage. i should be fucking (pun sort of intended) catholic with all the guilt i have :p

In titles, yes.

Since when?

Sex is a naughty word?

In titles, yes.

Since when?

Good question. I don't even think PG movies censor the term.

Since when?

Since schools used the game portion of the site and the titles of recent threads showed up on the game page causing school filters to block the website. Since a long time now.

Since schools used the game portion of the site and the titles of recent threads showed up on the game page causing school filters to block the website. Since a long time now.

some businesses block those words. but most of the time, the blocking occures when the word appears in the URL.

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Personally, I think it's a pretty idiotic practice.

Your thoughts?

That's creepy is what that is.

Since schools used the game portion of the site and the titles of recent threads showed up on the game page causing school filters to block the website. Since a long time now.

That ban has been on words like penis and vagina. I have never seen the mods censor out sex. So, please, provide an example of them doing it instead of pulling stuff out of your ass.

well, I tried that once... but I got sooo thirsty I had to change that to a "I will not Drink Alcohol" pledge... :p

Yeah. That's what I meant. Sheesh, you couldn't read my mind? <.<

Amusing thought: Where are virginal girls most sought after?

Barely legal teen porn sites.

Why is it idiotic?

Sorry. It wasn't a post-and-run I just got caught up in another thread.

I think it's idiotic because it's a group of parents forcing impressionable nine year olds with no understanding of sex or really much of anything to take essentially meaningless vows, if the pregnancy rates of the girls who take these vows are any indication.

All it does is force them to be secretive about it, to have no understanding of it at ages when children are likely to start becoming active, and they end up with an STD or pregnant.

And it's also unnecessary pomp and show for it.

Edit: It was an active attempt to prevent the Modhammer from coming down unnecessarily.

some businesses block those words. but most of the time, the blocking occures when the word appears in the URL.

*sigh*
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11855719&postcount=16
There is a growing tendency to use "shock titles" when creating threads. Bear in mind that titles appear on the sidebar of the nation pages, which are displayed in our classroom regions to young students (and their teachers!). These sorts of titles are unacceptable to that audience.

Titles which use offensive language, concepts, or pretty much anything that George Carlin might say will be edited. If it's done maliciously or repetitively, thread originators may expect the usual range of forum punishments, up to and including deletion of nations.

The standard for titles is not PG-13, but rather PG or even G.

*sigh*
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Um...so it's ok if I censor it...right? :nervous:

Just another silly fad.

If my daughter ever came to me with an idea like that, it would be some serious councelling for little Cabra...

That ban has been on words like penis and vagina. I have never seen the mods censor out sex. So, please, provide an example of them doing it instead of pulling stuff out of your ass.

I'm not too enamored with finding out exactly where the limits of what the mods consider "G-Rated" lie through experimentation. Suffice it to say sex never comes up on Dora the Explorer.

Yeah. That's what I meant. Sheesh, you couldn't read my mind? <.<I work in Tech Support... all my Mind Reading abilities are focused on the users right now... :D

*sigh*why the sigh when *deep breath* I'M AGREEING WITH YOU!!!! :confused:

Um...so it's ok if I censor it...right? :nervous:

Yes, it's okay. One could ask the mods themselves if specifically the word 'sex' is okay, as Fass thinks it might be.

This is from USA today.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2007/03/a_dance_for_cha.html

They wear "chastity couture" — T-shirts and underwear emblazoned with slogans such as "I'm waiting" and "Virginity Lane: Exit When Married." They blog on MySpace and abstinence.net. Virginity, for them, is cool.

Chastity underwear? I can imagine their poor boyfriends:

"All right, let's do this"- yank, "oh ****, sorry."

(Gives her pants back)

Now that's just mean.

why the sigh when *deep breath* I'M AGREEING WITH YOU!!!! :confused:

Agreeing with me? About businesses blocking the word sex in URLs?

I read this as "No shit until til I'm married, I promise"

Now that would be dedication.

That's how I originally read it.

That's how I originally read it.

Me too, but I figured 'shit' to mean sex.

I work in Tech Support... all my Mind Reading abilities are focused on the users right now... :D


Mind reading your users might cause irreparable brain damage. I'd advise against it.

This is from USA today.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2007/03/a_dance_for_cha.html

They wear "chastity couture" — T-shirts and underwear emblazoned with slogans such as "I'm waiting" and "Virginity Lane: Exit When Married." They blog on MySpace and abstinence.net. Virginity, for them, is cool.

Chastity underwear? I can imagine their poor boyfriends:

"All right, let's do this"- yank, "oh ****, sorry."

(Gives her pants back)

Now that's just mean.
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That last one is gold, love it.

That's how I originally read it.

Why do people always misunderstand my titles :(

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Personally, I think it's a pretty idiotic practice.

Your thoughts?

Sounds like a promise that will be broken in many cases. Also, it's amusing how the low population density of America allows it to be highly progressive in some areas and totally backwards in others.

Also, the word "sex" needs to be censored now?

This is from USA today.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2007/03/a_dance_for_cha.html

They wear "chastity couture" — T-shirts and underwear emblazoned with slogans such as "I'm waiting" and "Virginity Lane: Exit When Married." They blog on MySpace and abstinence.net. Virginity, for them, is cool.

Chastity underwear? I can imagine their poor boyfriends:

"All right, let's do this"- yank, "oh ****, sorry."

(Gives her pants back)

Now that's just mean.

What is the point of the underwear??? Theoretically, no one's supposed to see it.

Edit: Hilarious first post I might add.

Also, the word "sex" needs to be censored now?

Dude. The thread is three pages long. The conversation wasn't even an entire page back. It takes up about as much space as the on-topic posts do.

Yeah, I agree it's silly. Not because social norms and rites of passage (old or new) are necessarily silly, it just seems futile to make a child make a promise about which they have only a rudimentary grasp. A bit like baptising an infant (imho).

Why do people always misunderstand my titles :(

The ** made me think it was a different forbidden word. I'm not used to sex being unmentionable.

What is the point of the underwear??? Theoretically, no one's supposed to see it.

God will see it
It's only "no sex till marriage", not "no strip teases, mutual masturbation, oral sex(it doesn't count, ask Clinton), general sex play or sex until marriage"
.........
PROFIT?!

God will see it
It's only "no sex till marriage", not "no strip teases, mutual masturbation, oral sex(it doesn't count, ask Clinton), general sex play or sex until marriage"
.........
PROFIT?!

It's so oogey it makes me want to cry.

It's so oogey it makes me want to cry.

...oogey...?

Sounds like a promise that will be broken in many cases. Also, it's amusing how the low population density of America allows it to be highly progressive in some areas and totally backwards in others.

Also, the word "sex" needs to be censored now?

The US is already plenty crowded. Our culture is just varied. Happens when you're an amalgam of everyone who could scrape together enough cash to set foot here.

Agreeing with me? About businesses blocking the word sex in URLs?

schools are not businesses.

I'm just saying it's like businesses blocking URLs. but schools are stricter because they are not just focused on URL's as most businesses are.

hence, sex can be a forbidden word when it comes to filters and firewalls.

The US is already plenty crowded.

United Kingdom: 246 persons/km
United States: 31 persons/km

And the UK isn't even that high on the list.

Mind reading your users might cause irreparable brain damage. I'd advise against it.

got no choice... it's not like they can answer a simple question like "what is on your screen."

Oh, I thought it was common sense that the easiest way to make a woman do something is to forbide her.

Yet, I also forgot that christians lack common sense.

And maybe my making them pledge to the purity balls make them currious about the naughty balls.

Stpud bloody vow, and an even stupider bloody ceremony.

Yeah, we also signed those "I will not drink" pledges in high school. That lasted all of three weeks...

What happened if you didn't sign it?

That's fairly stupid.

Though I had never heard of one and I live in the southern USA... though I wouldn't hav heard about them anyway, existing or not.....

What happened if you didn't sign it?

Got sent off to guidance? :eek:

Would probably happen at my school.... Though I'd never drink anyway.

That's fairly stupid.

Though I had never heard of one and I live in the southern USA... though I wouldn't hav heard about them anyway, existing or not.....

I take it you and Daddy Pancake won't be attending :p

I take it you and Daddy Pancake won't be attending :p

Luckily enough. :D

I take it you and Daddy Pancake won't be attending :p

:p

Feh, my dad (to my knowledge) has no opinion of the whole abstinence thing, though he certainly would not be very keen on the idea of a "Purity Ball".

Then again, Purity Balls are Christians-only, and I'm an atheist.... meh. :p

I always find it great when people asterisk out "sex". It's not a dirty word.

SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX

See?





Even when it's done by a mod to 'protect' school kids who may be using the NS game, it's still hilarious.

I always find it great when people asterisk out "sex". It's not a dirty word.

SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX

See?





Even when it's done by a mod to 'protect' school kids who may be using the NS game, it's still hilarious.

I'm merely obeying the mods, or rather keeping well within the line so I don't have to worry how close to it I am.

I always find it great when people asterisk out "sex". It's not a dirty word.

SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX

See?





Even when it's done by a mod to 'protect' school kids who may be using the NS game, it's still hilarious.

But kids are so stupid, if they see the word sex they'll instantly become crack whores.

But kids are so stupid, if they see the word sex they'll instantly become crack whores.

:eek:

nooo.... sex....everywhere....common sense... waning....need...crack....AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHH!!!! must.......not....become....crack...whore....AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

But kids are so stupid, if they see the word sex they'll instantly become crack whores.

is that pun intentional?

But kids are so stupid, if they see the word sex they'll instantly become crack whores.

It's not that. It's the software designed to prevent all the ridiculous pop ups and other absurd infiltrations that these things do. It's so hard to prevent seeing porn on the internet that many of these softwares go far to the other side to err on the side of caution. Why is this such a big deal? It's not like people are actively disapproving of the word. It's just preventing the filters from blocking NS.

is that pun intentional?

I'd imagine so.

I'm merely obeying the mods, or rather keeping well within the line so I don't have to worry how close to it I am.

I'm surprised you can even see the line from that far back.

is that pun intentional?

Pun?



Eh.......
>.>
<.<
Yes.

:eek:

nooo.... sex....everywhere....common sense... waning....need...crack....AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHH!!!! must.......not....become....crack...whore....AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

Pancake needing crack? :eek:


this I wanna see... :p


oh, Crack as in the DRUG! ;)

Got sent off to guidance? :eek:

Would probably happen at my school.... Though I'd never drink anyway.

Loopy... It seems daft to get people to promise to (not) do things before they've reached the point of wanting to do it.

Heh, even if you wouldn't drink ever (and if I were cruel I'd hold you to that :p ) I wouldn't sign the thing on principle ;)

But kids are so stupid, if they see the word sex they'll instantly become crack whores.

The problem?

<snip>

Eh, I'm just joking......



Anyway, enough off topic-ness.


Purity Balls are made of fail!

The problem?

:D I didn't want to say it.

Back on topic, these balls are sickening. The pledge is made to the CHILD's father at a time when the CHILD does not really understand what she's pledging. It supports the idea that a woman's chastity belongs to her father. And even some of the t-shirt's suggest such a thing. It's not a touching ceremony between father and daughter, it's a way to perpetuate a rather outdated idea of sex and to create a situation that subjugates the idea of simply having an open relationship with your teenager about their sexuality. There's a reason they are doing it before the kid knows enough to ask questions.

Pancake needing crack? :eek:


this I wanna see... :p


oh, Crack as in the DRUG! ;)

This thread has me curious about cocaine sprinkled pnacakes.

The problem?

Crack's a finite resource, so it'd drive up prices. Whores only have limited demand, so it'd drive down wages.

Won't you please think of the crackwhores?

having an open relationship with your teenager

Roffle. Seriously.

It is in the Hadith!! :rolleyes:

What ever happened to fighting these people "over there" so we didn't have to deal with them over here.

This thread has me curious about cocaine sprinkled pnacakes.
:p
Crack's a finite resource, so it'd drive up prices. Whores only have limited demand, so it'd drive down wages.

Won't you please think of the crackwhores?

:D




Fotunately, I'm one of the smart people.... :)

Crack's a finite resource, so it'd drive up prices. Whores only have limited demand, so it'd drive down wages.

Won't you please think of the crackwhores?

I would, but Pancake's one so it'd be all ick.

Crack's a finite resource, so it'd drive up prices. Whores only have limited demand, so it'd drive down wages.

Won't you please think of the crackwhores?

There's a limited demand for whores?

TV has lied to me.

There's a limited demand for whores?

TV has lied to me.

Apparently scientists have discovered a strange humanoid creature that doesn't need to pay for sex.

...oogey...?

You know. The feeling you get when some creepy uncle hugs you too long.

I was going to post a serious reply, but I think it would just get lost in all the crack whore pancakes, so I won't bother. :p

I was going to post a serious reply, but I think it would just get lost in all the crack whore pancakes, so I won't bother. :p

I'm not *really* a crack whore. :p

Apparently scientists have discovered a strange humanoid creature that doesn't need to pay for sex.

Oh, you must mean women :p

There's a limited demand for whores?

TV has lied to me.

*Insert Corby/Essex/Blonde Girl joke here*

I personally don't believe that the practice of deciding not to have sex until marriage is idiotic. However, having a ball for 9 year olds for that purpose is pretty ridiculous. I don't see anything idiotic about promising to abstain from sex until after marriage to oneself, God, etc. if that is someone's personal religious belief. Just my opinion, but it doesn't seem fair to criticize or make fun of something that some people do find important to their own identity, as it's not an offensive concept.

Oh, you must mean women :p

:confused:
Que?

I was going to post a serious reply, but I think it would just get lost in all the crack whore pancakes, so I won't bother. :p

Crack whores are serious.

Back on topic, these balls are sickening. The pledge is made to the CHILD's father at a time when the CHILD does not really understand what she's pledging. It supports the idea that a woman's chastity belongs to her father. And even some of the t-shirt's suggest such a thing. It's not a touching ceremony between father and daughter, it's a way to perpetuate a rather outdated idea of sex and to create a situation that subjugates the idea of simply having an open relationship with your teenager about their sexuality. There's a reason they are doing it before the kid knows enough to ask questions.

If you read the article more closely, you would see that it says "AS YOUNG AS NINE".

Though, these girls are members of fundie families, so perhaps it's not a good idea at all.

If you read the article more closely, you would see that it says "AS YOUNG AS NINE".

Though, these girls are members of fundie families, so perhaps it's not a good idea at all.

This may surprise you, but the article is not my only source. I've actually heard of this before and they actually encourage this to be done at a very young age. It's more a show of what a good Christian family you are than anything else. It's silly and more than a bit disturbing.

If I was a student, and not a teacher, reading this strand would make me want to get drunk and go to the guidence specialist to have sex with a virgin.

What?

Oh, you must mean women :p

I like women. My wife ALWAYS pays for sex...(I just wish it was me...):headbang:

You can't talk with 15 year olds intelligently about sex, much less 9 year olds, but its ok to get them to agree not to have it. Dumbasses.

You can't talk with 15 year olds intelligently about sex, much less 9 year olds, but its ok to get them to agree not to have it. Dumbasses.

*poke*

I'm 15, scuse you. :mad:

*poke*

I'm 15, scuse you. :mad:

He means the "other" 15 year olds I'm sure. Like the ones that grow up in fundie houses and are brainwashed from birth. It takes those guys awhile to learn they've been lied to.

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Personally, I think it's a pretty idiotic practice.

Your thoughts?

Meh - they're the ones who'll miss out on a lot of awesome sex later in life so it's their loss really.

Why their fathers though? more batshit crazy religious stuff?

:confused:
Que?

People who don't need to pay for sex?

People who don't need to pay for sex?

We're on the internet. You won't find those kinds of people here.

We're on the internet. You won't find those kinds of people here.

Ah... Where men are men, women are men, and children are police officers.

*Sniffs*

...And my toast is burning. 'Scuse me!

Ah... Where men are men, women are men, and children are police officers.

*Sniffs*

...And my toast is burning. 'Scuse me!

I'm not a man!:mad:

I'm not a man!:mad:

Silly, everyone knows there aren't any girls on the interwebs!

Ah... Where men are men, women are men, and children are police officers.

*Sniffs*

...And my toast is burning. 'Scuse me!

*children are male police officers

He means the "other" 15 year olds I'm sure. Like the ones that grow up in fundie houses and are brainwashed from birth. It takes those guys awhile to learn they've been lied to.

Ah. I see. :fluffle:

I'm not a man!:mad:

That's what they all say...

That's what they all say...

I provided photgraphic proof.

I provided photgraphic proof.

That picture was shopped. I can tell from the pixels and shopping quite a few pictures in my day.

That picture was shopped. I can tell from the pixels and shopping quite a few pictures in my day.

:eek: Vicious lies I tell you!!!!!

That's what they all say...

Exactly!

Even "her" ^

why?

isn't it their choice?

would you say the same if it's people pledging to not smoke or drink alcohol or to donate money or volunteer to help a charity/organization?

now as long as they are still taught Safe sex, or at least given the option to attend Safe Sex classes...

I would say it would be silly for the others specially at that age ... if a parent forced a elaborate dont drink ritual on a preteen to early teen I would say it is about as smart and about as likely to succeede

Not to say that the "Dont have sex" thing or the dont drink this is a bad Idea, the show and presentation is non effective

That's creepy is what that is.


its not just creepy its WICKED creepy!

its a freudian nightmare where a daughter dresses up in white, her dad in a tuxedo, he gives her a ring and she pledges her virginity to him.

the dad signs a pledge to protect his daughters purity.

*SHUDDER*

and where are the sons in all this? why dont THEY get some kind of party confirming that they will remain virgins until marriage? who is guarding THEIR purity?

and where are the sons in all this? why dont THEY get some kind of party confirming that they will remain virgins until marriage? who is guarding THEIR purity?

Fass.

its not just creepy its WICKED creepy!

its a freudian nightmare where a daughter dresses up in white, her dad in a tuxedo, he gives her a ring and she pledges her virginity to him.

the dad signs a pledge to protect his daughters purity.

*SHUDDER*

and where are the sons in all this? why dont THEY get some kind of party confirming that they will remain virgins until marriage? who is guarding THEIR purity?

yep... very creepy.

now if it was both parents involved, would that make it less creepy... with the pledge being to both parents?

and I agree with sons taking the pledge as well... after all, it take two to tango.

its not just creepy its WICKED creepy!

its a freudian nightmare where a daughter dresses up in white, her dad in a tuxedo, he gives her a ring and she pledges her virginity to him.

the dad signs a pledge to protect his daughters purity.

*SHUDDER*

and where are the sons in all this? why dont THEY get some kind of party confirming that they will remain virgins until marriage? who is guarding THEIR purity?

What kind of self respecting father would want his son to be a virgin?
also, LOL AT SOCIETY'S HYPOCRISY

its not just creepy its WICKED creepy!

its a freudian nightmare where a daughter dresses up in white, her dad in a tuxedo, he gives her a ring and she pledges her virginity to him.

the dad signs a pledge to protect his daughters purity.

*SHUDDER*

and where are the sons in all this? why dont THEY get some kind of party confirming that they will remain virgins until marriage? who is guarding THEIR purity?

Becoming men obviously. We wouldn't want to turn them into sissy's now, would we?

and where are the sons in all this? why dont THEY get some kind of party confirming that they will remain virgins until marriage? who is guarding THEIR purity?

Bah. Everyone knows adolescent boys are the picture of saintly self-restraint. :p

Personally, I think it's a pretty idiotic practice.

As a Christian I agree. Making that promise at that age is useless. One must know the temptation to that sin before making that pledge.

Becoming men obviously. We wouldn't want to turn them into sissy's now, would we?

They only have to have sex to reach manhood? Pussies.

In the real 'hard' areas of the UK a boy has to actually sire an offspring from a woman he then abandons (possibly to enjoy a stay at Her Majestys Leisure) before he is really a Man.

I provided photgraphic proof.


Sure...it was "you" in that photo...

I think we can all safely assume you're a 54 year old man who lives in his elderly mother's basement and spends all day online talking to "teenage girls" (really other middle aged men) :p

Fass.

yep... very creepy.

now if it was both parents involved, would that make it less creepy... with the pledge being to both parents?

and I agree with sons taking the pledge as well... after all, it take two to tango.

What kind of self respecting father would want his son to be a virgin?
also, LOL AT SOCIETY'S HYPOCRISY

Becoming men obviously. We wouldn't want to turn them into sissy's now, would we?

Bah. Everyone knows adolescent boys are the picture of saintly self-restraint. :p

oh.

i guess i got my answer!

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Personally, I think it's a pretty idiotic practice.

Your thoughts?
Yeah, they're idiots. Would you expect any less? Anyway, I'm just glad I'm a libertarian agnostic...

while i have no problem with the decision to wait until after marriage for sex (well i think its a bad decision but its certainly up to the individual) i think that these public pledges of virginity are a bad idea for a number of reasons.

ones virginity isnt one's parents' to guard. your virginity is yours and when you decide to give it up, your parents wont be there.

its a bad standard that amounts to pure or soiled, virgin or whore. it gives you no guidance whatsoever for the harder task which is deciding when to have sex AGAIN, who to have it with and how to conduct yourself as a non-virgin.

after all, we are only virgins until we are not, then we spend the rest of our lives as non virgins. we need to learn sexual integrity, not just purity. givng a teen the impression that its virgin or slut means that when they are not a virgin, they may as well be a slut. not a good decision.

it gives a teen all the more reason to lie to her parents about her sexual experience. its hard enough to ask for birth control, treatment for an STD or tell your parents that you are pregnant but if their image of you is one of complete purity, you may never be able to talk to them. knowing their deep disappointment may be too much to bear.

Fass.

They're screwed.
(Pun intended :p )

Sure...it was "you" in that photo...

I think we can all safely assume you're a 54 year old man who lives in his elderly mother's basement and spends all day online talking to "teenage girls" (really other middle aged men) :p

:eek:

:eek:

I knew it!

your virginity is yours and when you decide to give it up, your parents wont be there.

Hopefully.
This thread keeps making me laugh at really inappropriate comments.

But, other than that, I agree with your post.

I also think that a lot of people get worked up over this a lot more than sex deserves. *Sigh*

Not that I'll stop inappropriately laughing, of course :p

Hopefully.
This thread keeps making me laugh at really inappropriate comments.

But, other than that, I agree with your post.

I also think that a lot of people get worked up over this a lot more than sex deserves. *Sigh*

Not that I'll stop inappropriately laughing, of course :p

i feel like i should be offended by all the flip responses to my posts but they do make me laugh.

:eek:

Right, I'm curious now. Where is this now-infamous photo? It's not in the Player Info thread...

Right, I'm curious now. Where is this now-infamous photo? It's not in the Player Info thread...

It was part of smunkee's slideshow. Give me a minute.

They're screwed.
(Pun intended :p )

:eek::p

'Purity Balls'

*snorts*

This is why you will have more 18 year olds getting married, and a rise in devorces.

'Purity Balls'

*snorts*

i was imagining some verrrrry tacky jewelry before i read the link

'Purity Balls'

*snorts*

*giggle* I can see the next abstinence class.

"Now class, virginity pledges are important. Look at these Balls... they are attended by pre-pubescent girls in white dresses...."

*rofl* :D

its not just creepy its WICKED creepy!

its a freudian nightmare where a daughter dresses up in white, her dad in a tuxedo, he gives her a ring and she pledges her virginity to him.

the dad signs a pledge to protect his daughters purity.

*SHUDDER*

and where are the sons in all this? why dont THEY get some kind of party confirming that they will remain virgins until marriage? who is guarding THEIR purity?

Yeah. It's a place for closet pedophiles to excersize their fantasies.

Yeah. It's a place for closet pedophiles to excersize their fantasies.

That's going a bit far...

But they are rather silly for nine-year-olds...

It was part of smunkee's slideshow. Give me a minute.

Bedtime says I must go. I searched for Smunkee's slideshow, but found this instead:

http://www.acc.umu.se/~zqad/cats/1174329819-fail.b.jpg

Appropriate, I'm sure you'll agree ;)

Right, I'm curious now. Where is this now-infamous photo? It's not in the Player Info thread...

Here's a link (http://www.vote4urban.xmgfree.com/). It's on my very crappy website that has nothing on it at the moment.

Not my best photo. It was the end of the day so I'm grungy.

Bedtime says I must go. I searched for Smunkee's slideshow, but found this instead:

http://www.acc.umu.se/~zqad/cats/1174329819-fail.b.jpg

Appropriate, I'm sure you'll agree ;)

2 minutes late. Sorry. Had to resize and find my password.

Edit: You're still online, so I want credit.

Not my best photo. It was the end of the day so I'm grungy.
Grungy is cool.

I wonder what sort of battlefield requires purple camo....

Grungy is cool.

I wonder what sort of battlefield requires purple camo....

They're my freefly pants. Although I did pick them up at a surplus store...

Bedtime says I must go. I searched for Smunkee's slideshow, but found this instead:

http://www.acc.umu.se/~zqad/cats/1174329819-fail.b.jpg

Appropriate, I'm sure you'll agree ;)

I found this vaguely related to the thread.http://www.acc.umu.se/~zqad/cats/index.html?view=1174329819-405879020_62760c429c.jpg :p

2 minutes late. Sorry. Had to resize and find my password.

Aha! Fortunately I decided on a last F5 whilst brushing my teeth. Toothpasty hands are good for keyboards. True.

Here's a link (http://www.vote4urban.xmgfree.com/). It's on my very crappy website that has nothing on it at the moment.

Not my best photo. It was the end of the day so I'm grungy.

"This is Jack's lack of productivity" :D

Ooh, an aeroplane... And yep, definitely photoshopped... *flees bedwards, only stopping to giggle at Pancake's pic* ;)

Ta :)

They're my freefly pants. Although I did pick them up at a surplus store...
Maybe T.W.A.T has spread to some alien planet?

Wouldn't it be best if (such) Christians just remained virgins all their lives?

Yes.

Amusing thought: Where are virginal girls most sought after?

Barely legal teen porn sites.

You kick ass.

I would say it would be silly for the others specially at that age ... if a parent forced a elaborate dont drink ritual on a preteen to early teen I would say it is about as smart and about as likely to succeede

Not to say that the "Dont have sex" thing or the dont drink this is a bad Idea, the show and presentation is non effective

*Giggles at someone going by UpwardThrust talking about sex.*

who is guarding THEIR purity?

Their fundie parents who drive off every person they date.

I have not had any elaborate pledging ceremonies with my folks, but as a Christian guy, I am waiting until I get married. I do not consider myself to be a religious extremist or anything, and I am certainly not very conservative (Politically). My main reason is that it is a sign of devotion to my future wife; a way of showing that she will be my one and only. We promise to be faithful when exchanging marriage vows, and I figure it ought to hold for before the marriage as well.

Besides that, I just think it is wise to keep myself for that lucky girl, whoever she may be. Providing she does the same (Or at least uses the proper protection), it should significantly lower my STD risk. That has been a concern for my more active friends, and I am quite glad not to have that added stress in my life. In the same vein, I will not have to worry about impregnating anyone, which is otherwise a bit of a family tradition (Although I always remember how long my parents have been hitched, since it is just a few- far fewer than nine- months ahed of my own age).

Do not take me for a prude. As I see it, once I do get married, I will have to make up for lost time. I look forward to a very busy honeymoon.

'Purity Balls'

*snorts*

Oh bugger, beat me to it. :(

I have not had any elaborate pledging ceremonies with my folks, but as a Christian guy, I am waiting until I get married. I do not consider myself to be a religious extremist or anything, and I am certainly not very conservative (Politically). My main reason is that it is a sign of devotion to my future wife; a way of showing that she will be my one and only. We promise to be faithful when exchanging marriage vows, and I figure it ought to hold for before the marriage as well.

Besides that, I just think it is wise to keep myself for that lucky girl, whoever she may be. Providing she does the same (Or at least uses the proper protection), it should significantly lower my STD risk. That has been a concern for my more active friends, and I am quite glad not to have that added stress in my life. In the same vein, I will not have to worry about impregnating anyone, which is otherwise a bit of a family tradition (Although I always remember how long my parents have been hitched, since it is just a few- far fewer than nine- months ahed of my own age).

Do not take me for a prude. As I see it, once I do get married, I will have to make up for lost time. I look forward to a very busy honeymoon.

There's nothing at all wrong with that, but you have to admit it's a little fucked up to force a 9 year old into a ceremony like this.

Besides that, I just think it is wise to keep myself for that lucky girl, whoever she may be.

Trust me, she won't consider herself very "lucky" when she discovers on her honeymoon that her new husband's fairly useless in bed.

I have not had any elaborate pledging ceremonies with my folks, but as a Christian guy, I am waiting until I get married. I do not consider myself to be a religious extremist or anything, and I am certainly not very conservative (Politically). My main reason is that it is a sign of devotion to my future wife; a way of showing that she will be my one and only. We promise to be faithful when exchanging marriage vows, and I figure it ought to hold for before the marriage as well.

Besides that, I just think it is wise to keep myself for that lucky girl, whoever she may be. Providing she does the same (Or at least uses the proper protection), it should significantly lower my STD risk. That has been a concern for my more active friends, and I am quite glad not to have that added stress in my life. In the same vein, I will not have to worry about impregnating anyone, which is otherwise a bit of a family tradition (Although I always remember how long my parents have been hitched, since it is just a few- far fewer than nine- months ahed of my own age).

Do not take me for a prude. As I see it, once I do get married, I will have to make up for lost time. I look forward to a very busy honeymoon.


nothing wrong with that.

not that i recommend it

how old are you?

There's nothing at all wrong with that, but you have to admit it's a little fucked up to force a 9 year old into a ceremony like this.

Oh, certainly. My decision was one I came to on my own, and it is not written anywhere special or marked with any particular ceremony. I agree that it is ridiculous to have someone as young as nine go through something like that.


Trust me, she won't consider herself very "lucky" when she discovers on her honeymoon that her new husband's fairly useless in bed.

If she also waits, she will not be able to compare my skills in bed with anyone else's. ;-)
Besides, after the blitz of sex that will follow our vows, I am sure we will get along fine.


nothing wrong with that.
not that i recommend it
how old are you?

Twenty-three and a half.

If she also waits, she will not be able to compare my skills in bed with anyone else's. ;-)
Besides, after the blitz of sex that will follow our vows, I am sure we will get along fine.

i can assure you that for a woman, bad sex is painfully obvious.

Twenty-three and a half.


at least youre old enough to make a reasonable judgement about the wisdom
of such a vow

i can assure you that for a woman, bad sex is painfully obvious.

So what? I mean, clearly everyone has to go through a bad-sex stage of getting used to things. We will get through that, I am sure, and continue up the slope of more and more pleasure. After all, who better to do that with than one's spouse?

I AM PROUD TO BE..NOT A VIRGIN

This is unfortunately almost an ridiculous expectation. If these girls have any normal social life (given their parents, they may not) they will probably lose their virginity at 16 with the average statistic of today, or even younger.

In my experience it was often the preacher or rabbi's daughters and sons that was the wildest, in several examples, which shows just enforcing moral rules does not work at all, and sometimes causes the opposite effect.

Often these chastity balls and such religious puritism often cover up deeper family secrets such as molestation and abuse, which statistics have shown occurs actually sometimes more often in overly religious families behind closed doors. Imagine the confusion for the child if she is going through such abuse, and then told that sex is bad and has all these religious events.

i can assure you that for a woman, bad sex is painfully obvious.

Voice of personal experience? :D

Ash to Ash's partner "God damnit, you're more sexually dysfunctional than the average NSG Troll!" *turns over and goes to sleep*

Voice of personal experience? :D

Ash to Ash's partner "God damnit, you're more sexually dysfunctional than the average NSG Troll!" *turns over and goes to sleep*

who would put up with 23 years of bad sex?

who would put up with 23 years of bad sex?

You've been married 23 years? Wow. Lemme go get you a rocking chair :D

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070322/lf_afp/afplifestyleussexchastity_070322082138



Personally, I think it's a pretty idiotic practice.

Your thoughts?
I have two thoughts about this:
1. It seems a little wrong that a father should take such an interest in his daughter's sexuality.
2. This is enforcing the biblical notion that women are always owned by men. First by their fathers, then by their husbands.

Um...that's Wii Todd Ed...

So what? I mean, clearly everyone has to go through a bad-sex stage of getting used to things. We will get through that, I am sure, and continue up the slope of more and more pleasure. After all, who better to do that with than one's spouse?

don't listen to them, if you and your spouse are open and honest and willing to work then you will do fine. part of the fun is finding out what you like and learning new things.

You've been married 23 years? Wow. Lemme go get you a rocking chair :D

thank you. i need it. im going to be 50 in june.

thank you. i need it. im going to be 50 in june.

Wow. My mom just turned 50 in November. Gotst to plan out something big!

who would put up with 23 years of bad sex?

So are we o assume that Mr. Ashmoria is at least acceptable? :p

So what? I mean, clearly everyone has to go through a bad-sex stage of getting used to things. We will get through that, I am sure, and continue up the slope of more and more pleasure. After all, who better to do that with than one's spouse?
A variety of people who will generally have their own styles and will generally add a little bit of education to add to your repetoire of sexual tricks. This not only allows one to have a lot of fun before finding "Mr/Mrs Right" but when one does find said person, one will make an awesome sexual partner.

thank you. i need it. im going to be 50 in june.

Same age as my mum then, she's 50 on the 5th.

thank you. i need it. im going to be 50 in june.

I'm horrible with remembering things, so you're just going to have to save this for later:

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

=)

I have two thoughts about this:
1. It seems a little wrong that a father should take such an interest in his daughter's sexuality.
2. This is enforcing the biblical notion that women are always owned by men. First by their fathers, then by their husbands.

I don't know that it's their sexuality per se that they're interested in; at least I hope not.

As a man who at least one day, circumstances and fortune providing, will be the father of a girl, I can understand the general feeling that you are the most important man in this little person's life. She depends on you, she looks up to you, she models what she wants and expects in life on you. That's a pretty heady feeling to have, and I can understand the deep-seated desire to keep that position. Keep it even in the face of the fact that she wants some other guy to take the position of "most important man in her life" away from you.

Understand, but not accept. It's a hard thing to give up a child and let him or her become her own person, but that ultimately is the purpose of parenthood: to bring a child to a state where they don't need you any more; where they act for the sake of that which they hold dear, not what you do. They may still (and hopefully do) want you in their life, but they do so of their own volition, not yours. That I think is what disturbs me about this trend the most: one of the crucial components of teaching a child how to be an adult is to, if not directly teach, then at least allow and help them to become fully-fledged human beings, sexuality included. This kind of purity fetish, successful or no, completely undercuts this purpose. Even if you win, your child has lost because she hasn't learned anything other than to act morally for Daddy's sake, not because she has her own code of honor and lives for the sake of it.

I have other issues with it: the assumption of sex equating with evil, the practicality of the matter (seriously, if I'm going to get a secure job, I'll have to train for it until I'm about 25 to 30, and you cannot tell me that God wants me to be sexually pure till I'm older than Romeo and Juliet's parents), the reduction of women to the status of objects, etc. But this I think is the real kicker, in that even if this works, it does so only at the price of creating the fully capable, fully human, and fully adult person that parenthood is supposed to create.

So are we o assume that Mr. Ashmoria is at least acceptable? :p

that would be a reasonable assumption

wow its quite the time for women to turn 50 eh?

I'm horrible with remembering things, so you're just going to have to save this for later:

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

=)

thank you!

i doubt ill mention it at the time.

I have other issues with it: the assumption of sex equating with evil, the practicality of the matter (seriously, if I'm going to get a secure job, I'll have to train for it until I'm about 25 to 30, and you cannot tell me that God wants me to be sexually pure till I'm older than Romeo and Juliet's parents), the reduction of women to the status of objects, etc. But this I think is the real kicker, in that even if this works, it does so only at the price of creating the fully capable, fully human, and fully adult person that parenthood is supposed to create.

that sort of thing worked much better when girls reached menarche at 14-16 and got married between 16 and 20. (and similar for boys) in todays world where its not unusual for a girl to have her first period at age 9 and not get married until well older than 25, its a bit unrealistic to expect her to be a virgin on her wedding night or that if she manages it that she have enough of a sex drive to satisfy her husbands needs.

thank you!

i doubt ill mention it at the time.

Yeah, but I will.

that would be a reasonable assumption

wow its quite the time for women to turn 50 eh?

Sounds like you've found yourself the beginnings of a good man then.

1957 must have been a good year ;)

that sort of thing worked much better when girls reached menarche at 14-16 and got married between 16 and 20. (and similar for boys) in todays world where its not unusual for a girl to have her first period at age 9 and not get married until well older than 25, its a bit unrealistic to expect her to be a virgin on her wedding night or that if she manages it that she have enough of a sex drive to satisfy her husbands needs.

Exactly my point. A good husband is supposed to (note: I'm not trying to draw feminist critiques at this point, so just roll with me here) secure the material means of subsistence for his family. Sexual onset occurs occurs around 15; the time when I can reasonably help support a family comes 15 years later. You cannot square the circle in this set of facts: either I'm supposed to be deeply unhappy and frustrated for 15 years as part of God's plan, which I would only believe if I believed in an unjust God, I'm supposed to believe that our current economic system is deeply unnatural, which for different reasons I'll provisionally agree with but those who are rooting for this purity movement absolutely will not, or I'm supposed to believe that the connections between sex and marriage are subject to change when our abilities to engage in sex and marriage change. Given that triangle of options, I'll take the third option as being the most accurate.

United Kingdom: 246 persons/km
United States: 31 persons/km

And the UK isn't even that high on the list.

It depends on the area really. You have places with really dense population, for example, the Bay Area, New York City, and places with nobody for miles, examples of the latter being most of Wyoming and Alaska.

Creepy. Seriously creepy.

It depends on the area really. You have places with really dense population, for example, the Bay Area, New York City, and places with nobody for miles, examples of the latter being most of Wyoming and Alaska.

Also, it kind of ignores the percentage of the US that is uninhabitable. How much of the UK is covered by desert?

Creepy. Seriously creepy.

I wonder if they even notice the sheer stupidity of the fact that they can't be arsed to ask the same thing of their sons. I wonder if they notice how archaic the idea of a girl pledging her virginity to her father. It's disgusting in almost every way.

I wonder if they even notice the sheer stupidity of the fact that they can't be arsed to ask the same thing of their sons. I wonder if they notice how archaic the idea of a girl pledging her virginity to her father. It's disgusting in almost every way.

Yeah, that was my thought too. Imagine the reverse.

Son: And I pledge to you, mom, that I will remain chaste and pure.

Mom: And to you, my son, I pledge that I shall not cheat on your father, or view the pornography, or otherwise engage in immoral sexual behaviour.

Both: We are sexually pure.

Ewwwwwwww. But no, the boys probably just get ben-gay rubbed on their hands when caught masturbating.


Now if these were MUSLIMS, Eve Online would be frothing at the mouth in a thread bashing this.

Yeah, that was my thought too. Imagine the reverse.

Son: And I pledge to you, mom, that I will remain chaste and pure.

Mom: And to you, my son, I pledge that I shall not cheat on your father, or view the pornography, or otherwise engage in immoral sexual behaviour.

Both: We are sexually pure.

Ewwwwwwww. But no, the boys probably just get ben-gay rubbed on their hands when caught masturbating.


Now if these were MUSLIMS, Eve Online would be frothing at the mouth in a thread bashing this.

That pledge for some reason strikes me as even creepier.

That pledge for some reason strikes me as even creepier.

Yes, it does.

But the creepiness factor is really high in either scenario.

Yes, it does.

But the creepiness factor is really high in either scenario.

Agreed. I can't imagine a Hindu family doing this, but I know somewhere right now it's probably going on.

My faith in humanity is at an all-time low.

I only support chastity if it's kinky.

That's creepy is what that is.

Extremely...

Back on topic, these balls are sickening. The pledge is made to the CHILD's father at a time when the CHILD does not really understand what she's pledging. It supports the idea that a woman's chastity belongs to her father. And even some of the t-shirt's suggest such a thing. It's not a touching ceremony between father and daughter, it's a way to perpetuate a rather outdated idea of sex and to create a situation that subjugates the idea of simply having an open relationship with your teenager about their sexuality. There's a reason they are doing it before the kid knows enough to ask questions.

I like it when other people post my thoughts for me. :p

This is why you will have more 18 year olds getting married, and a rise in devorces.

Sounds about right to me.

I wonder if they even notice the sheer stupidity of the fact that they can't be arsed to ask the same thing of their sons. I wonder if they notice how archaic the idea of a girl pledging her virginity to her father. It's disgusting in almost every way.

HEY!

Get out of my head!

Saved me some typing. :)

As I said, there are statistics and studies that what happens behind closed doors in such extremist conservative families or where this kind of stuff goes on is bad. Like abuse and molestation. On one hand the girl is taught sex is bad and everything about sex is bad, then she is being molested by a family member but because of the "dirty shame" aspect she does not report it.

These kind of ceremonies enforce the idea that a girl's chastity belongs to her father, and is very creepy.

The first GOOGLED page http://generationsoflight.myicontrol.com/generationsoflight/html/PurityBall.html is very creepy if you look at it.

The recommended "pledge" in question on the #1 hit site for "Purity Ball" on search engine:

I, (DAUGHTER'S NAME)'S FATHER, CHOOSE BEFORE GOD TO COVER MY DAUGHTER AS HER AUTHORITY AND PROTECTION IN THE AREA OF PURITY. I WILL BE PURE IN MY OWN LIFE AS A MAN, HUSBAND AND FATHER. I WILL BE A MAN OF INTEGRITY AND ACCOUNTABLITY AS I LEAD, GUIDE AND PRAY OVER MY DAUGHTER AND MY FAMILY AS THE HIGH PRIEST IN MY HOME. THIS COVERING WILL BE USED BY GOD TO INFLUENCE GENERATIONS TO COME.



Wow, he just had to include the line High Priest. In the pictures his "girls" are all dolled up and have these hair styles and makeup.

Creepy. Seriously creepy.

I take it you missed Ron White's joke about his experiences with the Inuit when he was up in Alaska on tour....

I support abstinence!

Girls and boys should abstain from intravaginal sex.

Instead, there should be more emphasis on oral sex, anal sex and mutual masturbation.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070322/lf_afp/afplifestyleussexchastity_070322082138



Personally, I think it's a pretty idiotic practice.

Your thoughts?
"Idiotic" doesn't go far enough, in my opinion.

Little girls give their "purity" into the keeping of their fathers, who then pass said "purity" on to whichever man ends up buying...excuse me, marrying her some day in the future.

Eeew.

On so many levels, eeeeeeew.

1) That one's hymen is the defining aspect of one's self. One is "pure" if one still has a hymen. One is "impure" without one. A serial killer with an intact hymen would, presumably, be a more desirable bride than a model citizen who has had Teh Sex.

2) Girls are supposed to want to marry the kind of creepy fucker who would refuse to marry a girl unless he'll get to rip through a membrane and cause her pain and bleeding on their wedding night. Um, eew.

3) Girls are supposed to hand over their sexual decision-making powers to Daddy. Millions of gallons of EEEEEW. I love my dad and all, but the idea of him deciding who and when I fuck is just too damn creepy.

4) All the lock-and-key shit that they get into at these purity balls is waaaaaay to Freudian. Girl wears the "lock", and gives the "key" to her Daddy to hold on to, until it's time to let her future husband stick the "key" into her "lock." Given what the "key" clearly symbolizes, how deeply disturbing is it for "Daddy" to be hanging onto his "key" while thinking about his daughter's "purity" all those years? Yeesh.

Also, it kind of ignores the percentage of the US that is uninhabitable. How much of the UK is covered by desert?

Only East Anglia

Yeah, that was my thought too. Imagine the reverse.

Son: And I pledge to you, mom, that I will remain chaste and pure.

Mom: And to you, my son, I pledge that I shall not cheat on your father, or view the pornography, or otherwise engage in immoral sexual behaviour.

Both: We are sexually pure.

Ewwwwwwww. But no, the boys probably just get ben-gay rubbed on their hands when caught masturbating.


Now if these were MUSLIMS, Eve Online would be frothing at the mouth in a thread bashing this.

Try imagining the gender reversal of the Daddy-hands-daughter's-"purity"-to-husband thing, too.

"I, [NAME], pledge to guard my son's purity and protect it until such time as his wife claims it for her own."

Of course, you'd have to reverse the lock-and-key symbolism, since Mommy would be holding on to his "key" for him instead...

Yep, still gross.

The "Silver Ring Thing" mob came over to the UK a few years ago. Waste of time as we are the most athiest country in the world!:D (this is a fact.) Would it not be better to get people to promise to always use a condom?;)

Only East Anglia

Excuse me?:D

I remain sure that such "chastity" centred sensibiliies are ridiculous. Love is infinitely more pertinent when considering sex (well, sometimes), not a contract.

Excuse me?:D

Check your annual rainfall, I'm pretty sure it puts you in the catagory of a desert region.

Could be an urban myth though.

Check your annual rainfall, I'm pretty sure it puts you in the catagory of a desert region.

Could be an urban myth though.

From the weather we've had recently, I'd say so.;)

Anyway, while we're on about urban myths have you Mancs seen the sun this year?:D

From the weather we've had recently, I'd say so.;)

Anyway, while we're on about urban myths have you Mancs seen the sun this year?:D


It's been gorgeous the last few days, too hot in work, think I need to go get a fag.

Walking home from work last Tuesday I had sun and snow together. In Derby, of all places!

I loved it!

It's been gorgeous the last few days, too hot in work, think I need to go get a fag.

Fair enough. Currently, I'm sitting in my garden, with my laptop and a beer, sunbathing.:cool:

However, being still at school, I still have to sneak the odd fag in the alley....

However, being still at school, I still have to sneak the odd fag in the alley....


*sniggers immaturely*

*sniggers immaturely*

Thinking of that, that was rather suggestive no?:D

I agree with the idea of abstaining as a Christian, and I'm doing so myself.

Having said this, what happened to letting your yes be yes and your no be no?!?

Thinking of that, that was rather suggestive no?:D

Yup!

We'd best go to confession and whip one out.




...An Our Father, I mean.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070322/lf_afp/afplifestyleussexchastity_070322082138



Personally, I think it's a pretty idiotic practice.

Your thoughts?

I think it's great, so long as the person I'm dating isn't the one whose made this pledge. :D In which case it'd be fine dating someone who was a virgin, so long as she allowed me to penetrate her. ;) However, I think that goes against the whole "ball" thing.

I agree with the idea of abstaining as a Christian, and I'm doing so myself.

Having said this, what happened to letting your yes be yes and your no be no?!?

Fucking wierdo.:p

You really are tragic mate.

Yup!

We'd best go to confession and whip one out.




...An Our Father, I mean.

Oh dear god. The innuendo is drowning me.......;)

I personally never want to have sex. I have to reason to have sex, as I have no desire for it and no sexual feelings. Plus, it seems really gross. I wouldn't have sex even if I did get married, and that's why I'm never going to get married.

Those pledges are really creepy, though.:eek:

I personally never want to have sex. I have to reason to have sex, as I have no desire for it and no sexual feelings. Plus, it seems really gross. I wouldn't have sex even if I did get married, and that's why I'm never going to get married.



Sex aside for one moment - would you marry someone you love?

Sex aside for one moment - would you marry someone you love?

I'm aromantic as well as asexual...I'm not romantically attracted to people, either, so I probably wouldn't fall in love. Although if I ever did, I might marry them if they didn't demand sex. I wouldn't be able to compromise, though. So it might work if they were asexual as well, but even that is assuming that I change from aromanitc to something else.

Girls are supposed to want to marry the kind of creepy fucker who would refuse to marry a girl unless he'll get to rip through a membrane and cause her pain and bleeding on their wedding night. Um, eew.


Unrelated note to this topic (though this topic scares the hell out of me, mostly because fundie Christians scare me)...

Is it weird that I'd really rather -not- fuck a virgin? That shit seems like it HURTS. A lot. And kind of kills the sexy. :(

I agree with the idea of abstaining as a Christian, and I'm doing so myself.

Having said this, what happened to letting your yes be yes and your no be no?!?

Look, I'm a Christian. But I never abstained "as a Christian".

In fact, the idea of abstinence is rather silly.

Yes, you choose who you want to have sex with. And you do pass up quite a few - which might mean that you're not having sex until you feel you've found someone who will make it worthwhile.

But not because you chose "as a Christian". You choose for yourself.

I'm aromantic as well as asexual...I'm not romantically attracted to people, either, so I probably wouldn't fall in love. Although if I ever did, I might marry them if they didn't demand sex. I wouldn't be able to compromise, though. So it might work if they were asexual as well, but even that is assuming that I change from aromanitc to something else.

I've never heard of the term aromantic, and a search only really yeilded a fragrance company, but I think I know what you mean.

Of course, now I'm going to ask you, how you came to the conclusion you're aromantic, and have the ability to "change" it.

It's been gorgeous the last few days, too hot in work, think I need to go get a fag.

Fair enough. Currently, I'm sitting in my garden, with my laptop and a beer, sunbathing.:cool:

However, being still at school, I still have to sneak the odd fag in the alley....

if you guys love fags so much why dont you marry them!

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if you guys love fags so much why dont you marry them!

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We've been "drowned in them" since the last page :)

I've never heard of the term aromantic, and a search only really yeilded a fragrance company, but I think I know what you mean.

Of course, now I'm going to ask you, how you came to the conclusion you're aromantic, and have the ability to "change" it.

No, I don't have the ability to change it. That's what I'm saying. It wouldn't happen because I'm aromantic and I can't change it. It could change on it's own, I suppose, but I think it's more likely that it'll stay the same. Aromantic just means that I'm not romantically attracted to anyone, just as asexual just means that I'm not sexually attracted to anyone, and I came to that conclusion because the definition of it is true for me. The term is used by members of the Asexuality Visibility and Education Network.

if you guys love fags so much why dont you marry them!

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I'm only 2 minutes avay from the vilage, what makes you think I'm talking about cigarettes? ;)

I wonder how long it will be until these (http://www.thebritishmuseum.ac.uk/medicineman/index.html) become popular again?

if you guys love fags so much why dont you marry them!

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Maybe I will, maybe I will. Are you a fag?

I agree with the idea of abstaining as a Christian, and I'm doing so myself.

Having said this, what happened to letting your yes be yes and your no be no?!?

Ah, there's nothing better to give to your bride on the wedding night than bad, inexperienced, clumsy, painful sex and a premature ejaculation. It really is something you want to be saving for a special occasion.

Ah, there's nothing better to give to your bride on the wedding night than bad, inexperienced, clumsy, painful sex and a premature ejaculation. It really is something you want to be saving for a special occasion.

Not to mention the very real possibility (if they are both virgins) that they never figure out how to have sex that's ever any good.

Not to mention the very real possibility (if they are both virgins) that they never figure out how to have sex that's ever any good.

How could they? Chances are they'll never look at any nice porn, either, so where would they ever even get the ideas?

Why make a fuss, I must ask, about not having sex before marriage? It's certainly the right choice for some people, but crazy ceremonies like that are pretty much worthless, in my opinion.

'Purity balls' sounds like something you do to the first guy that passes out, something involving tie-rips :p

What always amazes me is that Paul took a religion descended from a religion that didn't really treat sex as something you should be completely ignorant about and pushed it into the closet. I don't remember Jesus ever saying that sex is dirty or that understanding it is bad. However, people are welcome to quote him.

As to the virginity thing, as has been pointed out before, when it was common for "men" and "women" to marry almost the moment they hit puberty saying that you should wait for marriage isn't that weird. Now when by the time people marry they would have been desiring sex for half their life and be expected to not have sex, sex play or masturbation, how could anyone possibly think that would be healthy?

What I'm curious about is if all these little boys are not masturbating or having sex, are they being taught why they're regularly waking up coated in fluid? Oh, wait, right, boys don't have to be pure.

Maybe T.W.A.T has spread to some alien planet?

T.W.A.T.'s no match for the blinding power of purple camo!

What always amazes me is that Paul took a religion descended from a religion that didn't really treat sex as something you should be completely ignorant about and pushed it into the closet. I don't remember Jesus ever saying that sex is dirty or that understanding it is bad. However, people are welcome to quote him.

As to the virginity thing, as has been pointed out before, when it was common for "men" and "women" to marry almost the moment they hit puberty saying that you should wait for marriage isn't that weird. Now when by the time people marry they would have been desiring sex for half their life and be expected to not have sex, sex play or masturbation, how could anyone possibly think that would be healthy?

What I'm curious about is if all these little boys are not masturbating or having sex, are they being taught why they're regularly waking up coated in fluid? Oh, wait, right, boys don't have to be pure.

I blame Queen Victoria. It all seems to have gone to shit under her (in the UK anyway).

Fair enough. Currently, I'm sitting in my garden, with my laptop and a beer, sunbathing.:cool:

I was planning on doing that, with by brother's laptop, but he's very inconsiderately taken it somewhere so I've ended up sitting inside all day :(

I take it you missed Ron White's joke about his experiences with the Inuit when he was up in Alaska on tour....

No idea what you're on about.

No idea what you're on about.

Ron White is a standup comedian.

As usual, when he was in Alaska on tour, he joked that the audience was pretty ugly.

They took it as a personal insult, and some leader within the Inuit wrote him a nastygram, saying that the Inuit are some of the "most racially pure" people on the planet. Ron said, "well, that makes sense, because they're so ugly looking no one wants to..."

The letter further stated that the Inuit are in a population decline, and Ron added, "and I guess we know that means that now they're so ugly, they won't even have sex with each other..."

Ron White is a standup comedian.

As usual, when he was in Alaska on tour, he joked that the audience was pretty ugly.

They took it as a personal insult, and some leader within the Inuit wrote him a nastygram, saying that the Inuit are some of the "most racially pure" people on the planet. Ron said, "well, that makes sense, because they're so ugly looking no one wants to..."

The letter further stated that the Inuit are in a population decline, and Ron added, "and I guess we know that means that now they're so ugly, they won't even have sex with each other..."

Clearly, the height of comedy.

Clearly, the height of comedy.

He's rather successful, so I suppose it is.

What always amazes me is that Paul took a religion descended from a religion that didn't really treat sex as something you should be completely ignorant about and pushed it into the closet. I don't remember Jesus ever saying that sex is dirty or that understanding it is bad. However, people are welcome to quote him.

As to the virginity thing, as has been pointed out before, when it was common for "men" and "women" to marry almost the moment they hit puberty saying that you should wait for marriage isn't that weird. Now when by the time people marry they would have been desiring sex for half their life and be expected to not have sex, sex play or masturbation, how could anyone possibly think that would be healthy?

What I'm curious about is if all these little boys are not masturbating or having sex, are they being taught why they're regularly waking up coated in fluid? Oh, wait, right, boys don't have to be pure.

He's rather successful, so I suppose it is.

Yeah, success has always been a good way to measure quality.

if girls were "good" while in high school they seem to not continue with that "goodness" when they leave home and go to college. it seems freedom is a powerfull aphrodisiac.

LOL. "Purity Balls."

I suppose I'm not the first to get a giggle out of that phrase...

LOL. "Purity Balls."

I suppose I'm not the first to get a giggle out of that phrase...

Go ahead. You know you want to lick them...

Yeah, success has always been a good way to measure quality.

Well, look at Andrew Dice Clay. If that's not an amazing sense of quality I don't know what is.

You kick ass.
Yes, yes I do.
I only support chastity if it's kinky.

See, if you encourage your daughter to remain a virgin you'll have people like Neesika coming after them!

Well, look at Andrew Dice Clay. If that's not an amazing sense of quality I don't know what is.

Who? :confused:

Who? :confused:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Dice_Clay
Andrew "Dice" Clay (born Andrew Clay Silverstein on September 29, 1957, in Brooklyn, New York) is an American comedian and actor. He is known for his profane comedy in a career that has lasted over 20 years.

Ron White is a standup comedian.

As usual, when he was in Alaska on tour, he joked that the audience was pretty ugly.

They took it as a personal insult, and some leader within the Inuit wrote him a nastygram, saying that the Inuit are some of the "most racially pure" people on the planet. Ron said, "well, that makes sense, because they're so ugly looking no one wants to..."

The letter further stated that the Inuit are in a population decline, and Ron added, "and I guess we know that means that now they're so ugly, they won't even have sex with each other..."

And what the hell does this have to do with my original comment which was:

"Creepy. Seriously creepy."

Are you that desperate to get my attention?

Clearly, the height of comedy.

No, it's actually the height of irrelevancy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Dice_Clay

Oh...seems "hilarious".

I bet DK loves him.

And what the hell does this have to do with my original comment which was:

"Creepy. Seriously creepy."

Are you that desperate to get my attention?

That was Ron's description of the people in the audience.