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So I just received this odd new e-mail that confuses me...I was very briefly tempted by it as I am currently jobless but I figured it was actually a scam, so I turn to NationStates:

Hello,

Would you like to work online from home and get paid without affecting your present job if you have one?

Peter Adams Limited, UK.. needs an individual in the United States of America/Canada who will be working for the company and I am willing to pay for every transaction, which wouldn't affect your present state of work. Someone who will receive payments on my behalf from my customers in the United States of America/canada. These payments are in form of a Money Order or otherwise and it will be made payable to your name, so all you need do is cash the Money Order deduct your 10% percentage and wire the rest back to me via Western Union money transfer.

I presently run a Premier Furnishing Company I inherited from my late father in the United Kingdom and we need someone to work for the company as a representative/bookkeeper in the USA/CANADA.

I am specialised in making all furnishings demonstrating creative ideas, colors, textures and styles for every room, orthopaedic chairs and high seats. We offer a high degree of personal service, on everything from an individual item to a complete interior design scheme, which has really expanded that I furnished overseas now. Our reputation as a premier furnishing store has been achieved by searching throughout the UK and Europe for the best ranges available. We have found unusual and original pieces from traditional French farmhouse furniture to clean Scandinavian design plus leading UK.. brands to suit every lifestyle. I have been selling my furnishings for the last four years. I have sold in showrooms and to private collectors from all around the world. I am always facing serious difficulties when it comes to selling my furnishings to people in the United States of America, some of my customers offers to pay with a UNITED STATES POSTAL MONEY ORDER OR OTHERWISE, which is difficult for me to cash here in United kingdom.

So I need someone in the USA/CANADA to work as our representative and assist us in processing the payments from our clients and I will pay on every transaction.

JOB DESCRIPTION
1. Receive payment from Clients
2. Cash Payments
3. Deduct 10% which will be your percentage/pay on Payment processed.
4. Forward balance after deduction of percentage/pay to our office in the United Kingdom (Payment is to be forwarded by
Western UnionTransfer).


It wouldn't cost you any CHARGES, you are to receive payments which will be sent to you via Fedex courier services or UPS from my clients, which would come in form of a Money Order/Certified Cashier's Check in US PAYMENT then you are to cash it and send the cash to the Company via Western Union Transfer , all transfer fees should be deducted from the capital you are sending so you have nothing to lose.

Your e-mail has
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If you are interested, respond immediately by sending:

FIRST NAME:
SURNAME:
HOME ADDRESS (PHYSICAL ADDRESS ONLY, NO P.O. BOXES):
APT #:
CITY:
STATE:
ZIP CODE:
COUNTRY:
PHONE NUMBER (S):
CELL NUMBER:
HOME NUMBER:
WORK NUMBER:
GENDER:
MARITAL STATUS:
AGE:
NATIONALITY:
CURRENT JOB:
Do you have a current account Yes/NO
Do you have line of credit account Yes/No
What is your prefared mode of communication Phone/e-mail

so that my clients will start making payments to you as the company's representative in the USA.

I WILL E-MAIL YOU A LETTER OF EMPLOYMENT FROM OUR COMPANY WHICH YOU HAVE TO REPLY WITH AN ACCEPTANCE LETTER.

AS SOON AS WE CONFIRM ANY PAYMENT COMING TO YOU, I WILL LET YOU KNOW AND I WILL GIVE YOU THE INFORMATION TO SEND THE FUNDS THROUGH TO THE COMPANY VIA WESTERN UNION MONEY TRANSFER.


I AWAIT YOUR PROMPT RESPONSE.

Warmest Regards,
Peter Adams Jr.
Peter Adams Limited,
United Kingdom
peteradams.co.uk.
NB: Reply to peteradamsjr@hot.ee


So, what do you think? Scam or no? I'm turning up a bunch of stuff in Google by searching for Peter Adams Limited but that doesn't necessary mean anything, because I don't see why Peter Adams Jr. would personally e-mail me.

They forgot to ask for your ssn :p

if it sounds too good to be true it usually is....

Less of a scam and more of a "hand me your identity noob" kinda thing.

what happens is that the guy sends you an international money order. your bank decides its good, cashes it, you send him the 90%, keeping your 10% fee.

it turns out that the money order is a forgery, the bank duns YOU for the money, he is never heard from again.

They forgot to ask for your ssn :p

Well the e-mail address it was sent from is mkalice@m33access.com which is part of why I'm pretty sure this is a scam.

So I just received this odd new e-mail that confuses me...I was very briefly tempted by it as I am currently jobless but I figured it was actually a scam, so I turn to NationStates:



So, what do you think? Scam or no? I'm turning up a bunch of stuff in Google by searching for Peter Adams Limited but that doesn't necessary mean anything, because I don't see why Peter Adams Jr. would personally e-mail me.

1. Did you ever sign up for monster.com or monster.co.uk?

2. What host is hot.ee?

3. Never trust any random email that mentions Western Union Money Transfer.

4. I suggest we prank them.

Looks like a scam. And they can't spell.

The "NB: Reply to peteradamsjr@hot.ee" makes me sure it's a scam; if you go to peteradams.co.uk you can see it's got "info@peteradams.co.uk" as an email address. So why doesn't Peter Adams Jr. have his own company email at their domain, hmm?

If I were you I'd email the real peteradams.co.uk and let them know someone's up to something.

Edit:
Well the e-mail address it was sent from is mkalice@m33access.com which is part of why I'm pretty sure this is a scam.
Scam deffo.

Fleckenstein:
1. Nope
2. Never heard of it
3. Hai.
4. You can if you want.

Compulsive Depression: Aye. I'm already drafting an e-mail as we type.

2. What host is hot.ee?


Yeah, an Estonian host?!


4. I suggest we prank them.

Very good idea, any plans?

Okay, I sent an e-mail informing Peter Adams Limited about the scam. I'll let you guys know what they say when they get back to me on it, if they do.

Yeah, an Estonian host?!



Very good idea, any plans?

Claim to be a Nigerian princess, who would gladly go into business with him if he just sends you $100,000

Sounds like a scam.
Money orders can go through at first, then get recalled a month later (after you forwarded the money) when the check bounces, and suddenly you're out of money.

Yes, that's a scam. A company would set up business the proper way, and find proper employees. They wouldn't simply email strangers for 'help', and they certainly wouldn't rely on such strangers to send on the money to them.

This is money laudering. Clear and simple. They want the money from payments (ebay auctions) to disappear untracedly. You will be the one who ends up in court.

Yes, that's a scam. A company would set up business the proper way, and find proper employees. They wouldn't simply email strangers for 'help', and they certainly wouldn't rely on such strangers to send on the money to them.
Aye. Hell, the only reason I was even briefly tempted was the subject header before I even opened the e-mail because I've been receiving a newsletter for a while about legitimate work-at-home jobs.

This is money laudering. Clear and simple. They want the money from payments (ebay auctions) to disappear untracedly. You will be the one who ends up in court.
And that would not be fun. It would, in fact, be quite unpleasant.

In the off chance that you are very desparate for a job, you could do this. Go to China and get ~$20,000 USD, and turn it into their RMB. Then wait two years and turn it back into US money. Right now the rate is about one dollar to 8 RMB. But it is going down. Soon it will be 1 to 7. And I love the prank email things. I was actually personally invited into a pyramid scam while on an airplane, the guy was pretty convincing.

Thank you for advising us and I can confirm the e-mail did not come from us.

Peter Adams
Well, that says it. It was, in fact, an e-mail scam, and the company managed to cover themselves from those who would shame them. All's well that ends well.

This has been an ongoing scam here in the US. The fake money orders are so good, that they are not detected until the banks send them to the place of issue. Also, why do you want to convert a foreign money order to your local currency, then reconvert it back to that currency to sent it.

Worst part is that once that money leaves your country, there is nothing that law enforcement can do to help you.

Vic

There is only one 'Peter Adams Limited' registered with Companies House in the UK (all companies must register with Companies House). It last submited an annual report to Companies House in 1989 and is subject to a Winding Up Order (forced liquidation).

Yeah, I'd say the email was fraudulent.

It's either:

1. Identiry Theft
2. Money Laundering.
3. Fake money orders that will screw you over
4. Any combination of the above.



Think - how often do people you have never met normally offer you a lot of money to do something very easy for them that they could do much more cheaply through more normal and trustworthy (for them) means?

sounds to me like some way of transfering illicitly acquired funds. considering there are perfectly simple ways of internationally transfering legitimate funds this seems a little odd. i don't know if you'd necessarily loose money for it but you might be implicated in money laundering or something.

sounds to me like some way of transfering illicitly acquired funds. considering there are perfectly simple ways of internationally transfering legitimate funds this seems a little odd. i don't know if you'd necessarily loose money for it but you might be implicated in money laundering or something.

Out of curiosity, how much jail time would I be looking at if I were actually prosecuted for money laundering by being foolish enough to take this e-mail up on its offer?

If you are interested, respond immediately by sending:

FIRST NAME:
SURNAME:
HOME ADDRESS (PHYSICAL ADDRESS ONLY, NO P.O. BOXES):
APT #:
CITY:
STATE:
ZIP CODE:
COUNTRY:
PHONE NUMBER (S):
CELL NUMBER:
HOME NUMBER:
WORK NUMBER:
GENDER:
MARITAL STATUS:
AGE:
NATIONALITY:
CURRENT JOB:
Do you have a current account Yes/NO
Do you have line of credit account Yes/No
What is your prefared mode of communication Phone/e-mail
IN other words every last bit of information about you, so we can then steal your identity and then, no doubt, open several dozen credit cards in your name, then spend up large. Sucker.

IN other words every last bit of information about you, so we can then steal your identity and then, no doubt, open several dozen credit cards in your name, then spend up large. Sucker.

You have to admit, though, that the information listed there is actually required to be entered on most applications, at least in the U.S. anyway.

I wonder...should I try sending information back to this scam artist to try to fool them and waste as much of their time as possible, perhaps saving others from them?

Out of curiosity, how much jail time would I be looking at if I were actually prosecuted for money laundering by being foolish enough to take this e-mail up on its offer?

heh! i wouldn't know, but i can understand how tempting it might be. really need to win the lottery right now.

In the off chance that you are very desparate for a job, you could do this. Go to China and get ~$20,000 USD, and turn it into their RMB. Then wait two years and turn it back into US money. Right now the rate is about one dollar to 8 RMB. But it is going down. Soon it will be 1 to 7.
you realise that's only 1.069% APR - hardly worth the hassle really. And 6.9% is only if the PRC do indeed open the RMB to float.

That said, converting your US$ to any other non-US-pegged currency is a good idea right now. The US$ is expected to drop over the coming months.
I wish I'd had some ready cash last year. About 9 months ago, the NZ$ was worth $0.6US. Since then, the US$'s been spiralling downwards. The NZ$ is now worth $0.72 and going up (it was $0.68 less than 2 months ago).
So your $20K US converted to NZ$ in June 2006 and then back again today would have gained you around $3700US - an APR equivalent of nearly 25%.
Hell - just changing it back in January would have netted you almost $1200 - an APR equivalent of 35%.


A scam I was asked about a few weeks back was from another teacher who received an email telling her that her email address had been randomly picked and she'd won $1 million Euros. She thought it was on the level and contacted them . I told her that they'll ask her for some personal information and tell her there's some lawyers fee or some such b/s that needs paying for and, as such, they'll need some money upfront and her bank a/c details to deposit the prize into.
Sure enough, that's pretty much what their next email said.
I told her to email back saying her distant relative had died recently, leaving a fortune locked up in a Swiss bank and with their bank details she'll be able to transfer the money out and give them a healthy commission.

Remember the three rules of the internet:
1. If it's sounds too good to be true, it is
2. Everybody lies on the interweb
3. There's only 3 types of people on internet sex chat rooms: Guys, Guys pretending to be chicks, and FBI agents pretending to be 15 yr-old chicks.

You have to admit, though, that the information listed there is actually required to be entered on most applications, at least in the U.S. anyway.

I wonder...should I try sending information back to this scam artist to try to fool them and waste as much of their time as possible, perhaps saving others from them?
It's also all the information a bank asks for when opening an account.

I wouldn't bother replying. It's not going to waste much of their time, as it's mostly automated replies. All it would do is let them know yours is a valid email address and you'll soon be bombarded with all sorts of crap from then on.

It's also all the information a bank asks for when opening an account.

I wouldn't bother replying. It's not going to waste much of their time, as it's mostly automated replies. All it would do is let them know yours is a valid email address and you'll soon be bombarded with all sorts of crap from then on.

Game, set, and match.

So, another question, then: what's the best currency to convert my money to right now? I'd like to convert at least a significant portion of my current savings to another currency. Is that doable online, though?

what happens is that the guy sends you an international money order. your bank decides its good, cashes it, you send him the 90%, keeping your 10% fee.

it turns out that the money order is a forgery, the bank duns YOU for the money, he is never heard from again.

*Ding ding ding*

We have a winner!

She is correct as it is modeled after the Nigerian scam.

Game, set, and match.

So, another question, then: what's the best currency to convert my money to right now? I'd like to convert at least a significant portion of my current savings to another currency. Is that doable online, though?
I'm not sure, but definitely not the Zimbabwean dollar.

Game, set, and match.

So, another question, then: what's the best currency to convert my money to right now? I'd like to convert at least a significant portion of my current savings to another currency. Is that doable online, though?
best ask someone more in the know.
All I can say is nothing pegged to the US$ (like the HK$ :mad: ). News reports I read a couple of months back said it would fall this year, and so far they've been spot on. The same reports also said the NZ$ would rise, and it most definitely has (as I already mentioned). I think the Oz$ is doing well too.

However...There's an election coming up in Aussie this year, and that might have some impact (negative or positive). So converting to Oz$ could be a bit of a risk.
And you can never tell with the NZ$. THe NZ$ economy is too small and too dependent on primary resources (butter, meat, wood) which can be volatile. Also NZ wouldn't want the NZ$ moving much past $0.70US as this would hurt the exporter markedly. There's a housing bubble going on in NZ that's been predicting to pop for months now. If it does, I expect the dollar to drop again. I hope it does, as it's recent rise has meant my NZ student loan has risen by 20% in the last year in HK$ terms!

I wouldn't put anything on the RMB. You never know what the PRC will do regards the pegging to the US$. Even if it does go down, it won't be significant.

No idea about the Euro or the pound.

I have some money sitting on term deposit in NZ$, as I get a decent rate of interest (6%) and of course, the value of the rise in the NZ$ if I ever change it back. When I set up the account, the NZ$ was worth $5.10HK. So as long as I change it back when it's higher, I come out ahead (as well as the compounded interest of course).
Right now though I have my tax bill to pay off, which is two years worth of tax. So saving money is not much of a priority right now.

Understood. I'll be sure to ask someone else, then. In any case, thank you.

Buy gold:p

Originally Posted by E-mail
Hello,

Would you like to work online from home and get paid without affecting your present job if you have one?errr.. funny how it says w/o affecting your present job IF you have one? most Internet companies won't affect current IR jobs.

Peter Adams Limited, UK.. needs an individual in the United States of America/Canada who will be working for the company and I am willing to pay for every transaction, which wouldn't affect your present state of work. Someone who will receive payments on my behalf from my customers in the United States of America/canada. These payments are in form of a Money Order or otherwise and it will be made payable to your name, so all you need do is cash the Money Order deduct your 10% percentage and wire the rest back to me via Western Union money transfer.identifies himself as a company, but uses "I" instead of "We". and as a company, why need an intermediary to to the cash conversion?

I presently run a Premier Furnishing Company I inherited from my late father in the United Kingdom and we need someone to work for the company as a representative/bookkeeper in the USA/CANADA.Premier? every company considers itself "premier" so this sounds more like icing on a cake. fattening. especially if they need someone to convert cash.

I am specialised in making all furnishings demonstrating creative ideas, colors, textures and styles for every room, orthopaedic chairs and high seats. We offer a high degree of personal service, on everything from an individual item to a complete interior design scheme, which has really expanded that I furnished overseas now. Our reputation as a premier furnishing store has been achieved by searching throughout the UK and Europe for the best ranges available. We have found unusual and original pieces from traditional French farmhouse furniture to clean Scandinavian design plus leading UK.. brands to suit every lifestyle. I have been selling my furnishings for the last four years. I have sold in showrooms and to private collectors from all around the world. I am always facing serious difficulties when it comes to selling my furnishings to people in the United States of America, some of my customers offers to pay with a UNITED STATES POSTAL MONEY ORDER OR OTHERWISE, which is difficult for me to cash here in United kingdom.the hard sell... only trying too hard. and what's the difficulty? don't banks in the UK convert currency?

So I need someone in the USA/CANADA to work as our representative and assist us in processing the payments from our clients and I will pay on every transaction. someone? right...

JOB DESCRIPTION
1. Receive payment from Clients
2. Cash Payments
3. Deduct 10% which will be your percentage/pay on Payment processed.
4. Forward balance after deduction of percentage/pay to our office in the United Kingdom (Payment is to be forwarded by
Western UnionTransfer).Cash payments a job description? #3 is also not a job description. I smell money laundering/fraud.

It wouldn't cost you any CHARGES, you are to receive payments which will be sent to you via Fedex courier services or UPS from my clients, which would come in form of a Money Order/Certified Cashier's Check in US PAYMENT then you are to cash it and send the cash to the Company via Western Union Transfer , all transfer fees should be deducted from the capital you are sending so you have nothing to lose.why the emphesis on Charges? and why specifically UPS/Fedex?

Your e-mail has
been forwarded by monster.co.uk at our request,because you or somebody else has subscribed for the delivery of the job offers on the internet.


If you are interested, respond immediately by sending:

FIRST NAME:
SURNAME:
HOME ADDRESS (PHYSICAL ADDRESS ONLY, NO P.O. BOXES):
APT #:
CITY:
STATE:
ZIP CODE:
COUNTRY: WHY do they... need to know this? since he specified US/Canada?
PHONE NUMBER (S):
CELL NUMBER: WHY do they... need to know this?
HOME NUMBER: WHY do they... need to know this?
WORK NUMBER: WHY do they... need to know this?
GENDER: WHY do they... need to know this?
MARITAL STATUS: WHY do they... need to know this?
AGE: WHY do they... need to know this?
NATIONALITY: WHY do they... need to know this?
CURRENT JOB: WHY do they... need to know this?
Do you have a current account Yes/NO WHY do they... need to know this?
Do you have line of credit account Yes/No WHY do they... need to know this?
What is your prefared mode of communication Phone/e-mail WHY do they... need to know this?
Comments in bold.

so that my clients will start making payments to you as the company's representative in the USA.

I WILL E-MAIL YOU A LETTER OF EMPLOYMENT FROM OUR COMPANY WHICH YOU HAVE TO REPLY WITH AN ACCEPTANCE LETTER. usually it's sent via fax or snail mail because a physical, proof of non-alterated form is needed for leagailites.

AS SOON AS WE CONFIRM ANY PAYMENT COMING TO YOU, I WILL LET YOU KNOW AND I WILL GIVE YOU THE INFORMATION TO SEND THE FUNDS THROUGH TO THE COMPANY VIA WESTERN UNION MONEY TRANSFER. again, specifically mentions Western Union...


I AWAIT YOUR PROMPT RESPONSE.

Warmest Regards,
Peter Adams Jr.
Peter Adams Limited,
United Kingdom
peteradams.co.uk.
NB: Reply to peteradamsjr@hot.ee you know. I'm kinda tempted to repling with false information (a method to test the validity of scammers.)

Less of a scam and more of a "hand me your identity noob" kinda thing. which is still a scam.

You have to admit, though, that the information listed there is actually required to be entered on most applications, at least in the U.S. anyway.not over the internet.

I wonder...should I try sending information back to this scam artist to try to fool them and waste as much of their time as possible, perhaps saving others from them?if you do, let us know what happens.

Next time you get a 419 scam email send this scammer's info instead of your own. Hilarity ensues.

Next time you get a 419 scam email send this scammer's info instead of your own. Hilarity ensues.

Now there's a good idea.

JuNii: Haihai. I'm not sure what kind of information to send him though...maybe we should all try and come up with a funny bit of information for each entry listed.

JuNii: Haihai. I'm not sure what kind of information to send him though...maybe we should all try and come up with a funny bit of information for each entry listed.

FIRST NAME: Jack
SURNAME: Miov
HOME ADDRESS (PHYSICAL ADDRESS ONLY, NO P.O. BOXES): (your address, or one of a friend.)
APT #:
CITY: (your City)
STATE: (Your State)
ZIP CODE: (Your Zip Code)
COUNTRY: United States of America
PHONE NUMBER (S):
CELL NUMBER: N/A
HOME NUMBER: (area code) 328-7448 (eat shit)
WORK NUMBER: Unemployed
GENDER: Male
MARITAL STATUS: (up to you.)
AGE: make up something
NATIONALITY: Nigerian
CURRENT JOB: Unemployed
Do you have a current account Yes/NO No, unemployeed
Do you have line of credit account Yes/No No, Unemployeed
What is your prefared mode of communication Phone/e-mail E-mail (make up a yahoo/g-mail account. and send him that one.)

or you can open a small savings account with the minimum balance inside (it will make a swell nest egg) and use that.

When you start getting those Money Orders, deposit them into the account and wait. that way if they do turn out to be fraudulant, you won't loose anything and if he sends you an email asking what's taking so long, you can tell them your bank is having some trouble verifying the MO's.

FIRST NAME: Jack
SURNAME: Miov
HOME ADDRESS (PHYSICAL ADDRESS ONLY, NO P.O. BOXES): (your address, or one of a friend.)
APT #:
CITY: (your City)
STATE: (Your State)
ZIP CODE: (Your Zip Code)
COUNTRY: United States of America
PHONE NUMBER (S):
CELL NUMBER: N/A
HOME NUMBER: (area code) 328-7448 (eat shit)
WORK NUMBER: Unemployed
GENDER: Male
MARITAL STATUS: (up to you.)
AGE: make up something
NATIONALITY: Nigerian
CURRENT JOB: Unemployed
Do you have a current account Yes/NO No, unemployeed
Do you have line of credit account Yes/No No, Unemployeed
What is your prefared mode of communication Phone/e-mail E-mail (make up a yahoo/g-mail account. and send him that one.)

or you can open a small savings account with the minimum balance inside (it will make a swell nest egg) and use that.

When you start getting those Money Orders, deposit them into the account and wait. that way if they do turn out to be fraudulant, you won't loose anything and if he sends you an email asking what's taking so long, you can tell them your bank is having some trouble verifying the MO's.

Hmm...you know...with my current situation, this is too risky for me to do at the moment, but if anyone else wants to try this they're more than welcome to.

Thanks for suggesting ways to do it, though. I'm just not willing to risk it.