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Since 1962 the US has an embargo against Cuba which is preventing american companies or people to do business with Cuba. It's also preventing americans from travelling to Cuba if I've understood it correctly. The intention with this embargo is to bring "democracy" to Cuba but the only thing it does is that it's hurting the Cuban economy big times and the ones suffering are the Cuban people, not Castro. The UN general assembly has condemned the embargo many years in a row, year 2003 with the numbers 179-3, but the US is still not ending it.

The Cuban people is getting hurt from it, american companies surely would to business in Cuba if it was allowed, Castro is probably just getting more popular because he has the strenght to stand up to america and the UN-GA has condemned it. So why is the US acting like a stubborn kid in this matter? Is it worth doing this just to impress a couple of exile-cubans in Florida?

40 year pissing contest with Fidel Castro.

So why is the US acting like a stubborn kid in this matter?

cause if nation-states were people, that is exactly what usia would be

40 year pissing contest with Fidel Castro.

And Castro still has the best piss even though he's probably dieing.

I imagine the emargo will end once Castro dies and the civil war gets over with. Depending on who comes out on top, of course.
Meh, maybe Cuba'll be the 51st US state or something.
They certainly wouldnt be poor anymore. They could make a bundle selling their vintage cars to US collectors.

Is it worth doing this just to impress a couple of exile-cubans in Florida?

it is when those Cuban exiles in Florida can determine who is the next President of the USA....

The Cuban population of Florida would punish the party of any politician who pushes for ending the embargo. Florida is a swing state with 27 electoral votes.

Because if the embargo ended that would make getting Cuban cigars so much easier, and then they wouldn't as much fun to smoke. :(

And Castro still has the best piss even though he's probably dieing.

we cannot stand it than castro has a bigger dick than any US president since truman. (dont ask)

The embargo is the only reason Cuba was not successful. The US does not want to admit defeat.

Since 1962 the US has an embargo against Cuba which is preventing american companies or people to do business with Cuba. It's also preventing americans from travelling to Cuba if I've understood it correctly. The intention with this embargo is to bring "democracy" to Cuba but the only thing it does is that it's hurting the Cuban economy big times and the ones suffering are the Cuban people, not Castro. The UN general assembly has condemned the embargo many years in a row, year 2003 with the numbers 179-3, but the US is still not ending it.

The Cuban people is getting hurt from it, american companies surely would to business in Cuba if it was allowed, Castro is probably just getting more popular because he has the strenght to stand up to america and the UN-GA has condemned it. So why is the US acting like a stubborn kid in this matter? Is it worth doing this just to impress a couple of exile-cubans in Florida?


The Cuban lobby are a relativly powerful one in American politics. And of course, it is made up of Castro's enemies. Their logic is that if Cuba remains weak until Castro is gone, then they will be in a position to set themselves up as the Cuban elite once Cuba's government, centralized on Castro, disintegrates.

The embargo is the only reason Cuba was not successful. The US does not want to admit defeat.

Yeah, they have a real problem with that. :p

The Cuban lobby are a relativly powerful one in American politics. And of course, it is made up of Castro's enemies. Their logic is that if Cuba remains weak until Castro is gone, then they will be in a position to set themselves up as the Cuban elite once Cuba's government, centralized on Castro, disintegrates.

I can't imagine Cubans will welcome back the exiles that have caused them so much hardship and even less likely they will allow them to govern Cuba...

The embargo is the only reason Cuba was not successful. The US does not want to admit defeat.

I don't know if you can say that it's the only reason. After all, it only denies them access to the US market. They can still trade with Canada, Europe, the whole rest of the world. There's got to be something else holding them back.

There's got to be something else holding them back.

how held back are they compared to the rest of the caribbean and latin america?

I don't know if you can say that it's the only reason. After all, it only denies them access to the US market. They can still trade with Canada, Europe, the whole rest of the world. There's got to be something else holding them back.

trade is still primarily regional, Canada trades with Europe but most of it's trade is with the USA because it's more economical...for a poor country like Cuba Euro products are to costly and Cuba does not have a lot of products the Euro's need...If the USA had a trade embargo with Canada the damage to the Canadian economy would be crippling...

trade is still primarily regional, Canada trades with Europe but most of it's trade is with the USA because it's more economical...for a poor country like Cuba Euro products are to costly and Cuba does not have a lot of products the Euro's need...If the USA had a trade embargo with Canada the damage to the Canadian economy would be crippling...

Sugar. Cuba gets a very good price for any sugar it sells to Europe. And, if ethanol continues to be in high demand, that price should only get higher.

Sugar. Cuba gets a very good price for any sugar it sells to Europe. And, if ethanol continues to be in high demand, that price should only get higher.

I believe half of Cuba's sugar goes to Canada....northern countries really mostly on home grown sugar beets rather than cane produced sugar...ethanol can be made from grass anywhere so Cuban cane isn't all that important...Cuba is a resource poor country it's best hope is tourism from the USA...

Because the US is silly.

The Cuban population of Florida would punish the party of any politician who pushes for ending the embargo. Florida is a swing state with 27 electoral votes.

Very correct, and it has been going on for a very long time. And there is no way that you can win Florida if the Cubans are against you. Of course, the exile community does not really give a damn about Cuba. If we had opened free market trade a long time ago, the initial taste of economic freedom on the Cubans would have gone a long way.

Vic

we cannot stand it than castro has a bigger dick than any US president since truman. (dont ask)

He also has an artificial anus. (Don't ask.)

becuz we don't have to...

becuz we don't have to...

Uh, huh...

Yes please open up cuba to the US so we can have them make our $40 khaki pants for 10 cents a day!!!

Because both sides, particularly the mighty 300 million large USA, do not want to admit defeat. A first world superpower admitting defeat to a second-world communist nation? Yeah, like that's going to happen.

If we ended the Embargo then the Cuban cigar I smuggled back from Canada wouldn't taste as smooth and mild as it is. :D

The US can keep saying Cuba is in economic ruin, but the fact is, that's what they said in 1967 and every subsequent year, sure the collapse of Soviet markets hurt them, that's obvious. But what's most important is that Cuba has developed a second to non state social health system, one that far exceeds the 'survival of the richest' one that resides in the US. Cuba has some of the best professional doctors in the world, it just shows how out of touch the US is when the rest of the world are trading with Cuba. And what can you say about the Florida Cuba opposition? Not much, they don't want democracy for Cuba or anything like that, they want more money from the US, most of them are a run down the ladder from mercenary and organized criminal. The fact is, their brothers in Cuba aren't living in ghetto slums with rampant crime and no social support, they are.

http://www.quaylargo.com/Transformation/McCelvey.html

Don't worry, Cuba's found oil so an exemption bill is on its way...

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/03/19/8402339/index.htm?postversion=2007030709

You'll have your Cuban cigars soon

Yes please open up cuba to the US so we can have them make our $40 khaki pants for 10 cents a day!!!

Eh, wouldn't happen. Cubans have pretty decent lives actually, and can get jobs provided(Albiet sometimes shitty jobs). An American company just wouldn't be affordable to set up a factory there, as the populace just wouldn't work for the slave wages they desire. There seems to be some misconception that Cuba is some sort of third world country, which is completely untrue. They live remarkably good lives, and are very well educated(People are encouraged to go to college). So really, that statement is untrue. In all likely hood, though, the Cubans would actually have an increase in the standard of living, as they would have a large economic boom shortly after(And as I hear it, clothing is a bit a luxury, and a pair of jeans can cost a up to a month's worth of salary, however some foods we consider luxuries are actually dirt cheap. Wierd, huh?).

So really, that scenario wouldn't happen.

oh Cuba and your fine cigars!

Watched a thing on history channel a couple nights ago that talked about tobacco. When the US hit Cuba with the embargo a lot of Cuban tobacco farmers headed to south america.. the earth was similar and they didn't have them pesky embargoes. Cuba got fucked when we shitted em, but they survived.

There was a $1k cigar and when you would buy it , you got an aged bottle of whisky. Interesting. also learned that cigerettes were nothing but scrap off the floor not usalbe for cigars, pipes and chew. Half of the cigerette is fillers basically.. but all tobacco users have a higher risk of cancers.. But I just gotta think.. did the American Indians get cancer from their use? I bet they didn't. It's the shit we put in it.

Eh, wouldn't happen. Cubans have pretty decent lives actually, and can get jobs provided(Albiet sometimes shitty jobs). An American company just wouldn't be affordable to set up a factory there, as the populace just wouldn't work for the slave wages they desire. There seems to be some misconception that Cuba is some sort of third world country, which is completely untrue. They live remarkably good lives, and are very well educated(People are encouraged to go to college). So really, that statement is untrue. In all likely hood, though, the Cubans would actually have an increase in the standard of living, as they would have a large economic boom shortly after(And as I hear it, clothing is a bit a luxury, and a pair of jeans can cost a up to a month's worth of salary, however some foods we consider luxuries are actually dirt cheap. Wierd, huh?).

So really, that scenario wouldn't happen.

Cuba has rocketed downwards since 2001...

Living conditions in Cuba have deteriorated, as evinced by an acute housing shortage estimated at 1.66 million dwellings;

At least 13% of the population is clinically undernourished, as the state food rationing system now provides for only a week to 10 days of basic alimentary needs;

Unemployment reached 12%, based on official data, and as many as 30% of workers are displaced or underemployed;

With real wages down nearly 50% since 1989, and average salaries of $10 per month, university enrollment has fallen 46% as would-be college students opt for more lucrative jobs in the tourism industry;

Cuba is projected to have Latin America oldest population by 2025 with the island demographic growth rate now at 0.2%. The elderly are already the most vulnerable as real pensions have declined by 42% and most pensioners survive on the equivalent of $4 per month.

Why won't the US end it's embargo against Cuba?
'cause we're douchebags. Haven't you learned that by now?

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a pair of jeans can cost a up to a month's worth of salary,
Well... to be fair, that's true in America.

[QUOTE=Naturality;12466863]Interesting. also learned that cigerettes were nothing but scrap off the floor not usalbe for cigars, pipes and chew.[QUOTE]

Not only cigarettes....if you've ever picked apples/oranges etc, at the end of the day you'll be asked to pick up all the ground fruit, that is, the shite stuff that's fallen to the ground already. They use that for fruit juice and baby food.

I think we still have previous presidents ideas with the whole "Communism will kill us all!!!!" thing. If people would actually just admit that different policies doesn't make them evil, I'm pretty sure this won't take long before we trade with everyone.

'cause we're douchebags. Haven't you learned that by now?


Speak for yourself

I think it's just a ruse to get the Americans to buy inferior cigars. :p
But seriously, why do they have a base there but still have an embargo?

If we ended the Embargo then the Cuban cigar I smuggled back from Canada wouldn't taste as smooth and mild as it is. :D

the two things that make everything taste better:

1.) It's Illegal
OR
2.) It's Free :D

There's no economic or political incentive to reverse the trade embargo - until there is, it will remain in place

Because if the embargo ended that would make getting Cuban cigars so much easier, and then they wouldn't as much fun to smoke. :(

They aren't that good anymore. Many of the makers moved to other islands.

You can get them in Canada! ;)

Part of the problem is the cuban exiles.

I think there are a few companies, etc., that want holdings they lost in the revolution restored which will never happen.

The embargo needs to end.

The US can keep saying Cuba is in economic ruin, but the fact is, that's what they said in 1967 and every subsequent year, sure the collapse of Soviet markets hurt them, that's obvious. But what's most important is that Cuba has developed a second to non state social health system, one that far exceeds the 'survival of the richest' one that resides in the US. Cuba has some of the best professional doctors in the world, it just shows how out of touch the US is when the rest of the world are trading with Cuba. And what can you say about the Florida Cuba opposition? Not much, they don't want democracy for Cuba or anything like that, they want more money from the US, most of them are a run down the ladder from mercenary and organized criminal. The fact is, their brothers in Cuba aren't living in ghetto slums with rampant crime and no social support, they are.

http://www.quaylargo.com/Transformation/McCelvey.html

Things are so great in Cuba that thousands of people a year try to float across 90 miles of open ocean to Florida on fucking rafts just to get away. The ones that don't get machine gunned gun trying to leave of course.

Quite a paradise indeed.

But anyway, lifting the embargo would likely bring Castro down pretty quickly.