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Just heard on CNN International, apparently the police just held a press conference and said that his death was the result of manual strangulation. :o

Who, what, where, when, why...

Out of curiosity, has there been many/any reports about this in America? Fair enough either way...

It's horrible, really, that someone could do that over something as insignificant as sport. However, it's sad to say that he's not the first person, and nor will he be the last person, to die because of sport.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/6482981.stm

damn!

I just saw this too. It's going to cast a huge shadow over the rest of the World Cup.

If it was to silence him because of Pakistani match fixing, as is being alleged, then I hope the ICC takes the strongest possible measures against the PCB. After they unanimously 'cleared' their own top bowlers of drug use earlier this year, I think it's about time cricket told them to clean up their act.

It's horrible, really, that someone could do that over something as insignificant as sport. However, it's sad to say that he's not the first person, and nor will he be the last person, to die because of sport.

It's not the sport.

It is money. Betting money. It's huge and the mafia D-company (headed by Dawood Ibrahim - declared an international terrorist) is involved in it.

There are even rumors about Hansie Cronje's death.

I just saw this too. It's going to cast a huge shadow over the rest of the World Cup.

If it was to silence him because of Pakistani match fixing, as is being alleged, then I hope the ICC takes the strongest possible measures against the PCB. After they unanimously 'cleared' their own top bowlers of drug use earlier this year, I think it's about time cricket told them to clean up their act.

Indeed. Apparently he was writing his memoirs and might have been close to revealing something- an affair, bookmaking etc- but it is all just rumours right now.

Leaving out the bit about the strangulation marks I assume was a delibrate tactic by the police with the idea to maybe trick someone into confessing.

Do have to wonder how much someone (or someones) in the Pakistani team knows. Would certainly make their whole contriteness and mournfulness a tasteless exercise.
Indeed, considering how much they're laying it on at the moment* one does now start to wonder if it's nothing more than an attempt to fool the police (a la Ian Huntley)

*From BBC:
"We dedicate this game (vs Zimbabwe) to Bob because he was a wonderful person and every Pakistani and every cricket lover is sad about his death," said Inzamam.
Batsman Younis Khan, a leading candidate to take over the Pakistan captaincy, said the players could feel the spirit of Woolmer in the dressing room.
"This performance is for Bob and his family," he said. "It was very difficult for us, like playing without our father, he was like that for us.

like playing without our father, he was like that for us :rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSYxV_zcheU

Chuckthar pushing Woolmer.

Wow! :eek: And here I was, thinking cricket was a dull sport.

FYI, I have seen nothing of this in the US, but then we've been rather preoccupied with an ill-conceived/ill-managed/illegal war, and fascists taking over our country, and Anna Nicole Smith dying, and American Idol. I'd rather be following this than American Idol, I can tell you that.

From the sound of it, the Police are concentrating on this being a member of the Pakistani squad/coaching team.

Shields, who is leading the investigation, said: "It seems highly unlikely a Jamaican has walked off the street, gone up to the 12th floor in a secure lift, gone along to his room, got into his room without any sign of forced entry, murdered him and then not stolen anything at all."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6494969.stm

I'm not entirely convinced by the theories regarding match fixing. It seems highly unlikely that anyone would choose that particular moment to kill him.

But then, it also seems odd that a team member would murder him for their own failure...

I hope they get to the bottom of this soon.

Wow! :eek: And here I was, thinking cricket was a dull sport.

FYI, I have seen nothing of this in the US, but then we've been rather preoccupied with an ill-conceived/ill-managed/illegal war, and fascists taking over our country, and Anna Nicole Smith dying, and American Idol. I'd rather be following this than American Idol, I can tell you that.

I'd rather vote Bush into a third term than follow American Idol.

That show is so overrated, it's not even funny. It's also AMERICAN Idol with a British judge- WTF?!

At any rate, I hadn't heard about this in the US, though to my knowledge nobody in the US cares about or plays cricket.

At any rate, I hadn't heard about this in the US, though to my knowledge nobody in the US cares about or plays cricket.
Actually, the American cricket governing body (whatever it's called) lobbied for at least one match of the current world cup to be played in Florida. But the idea was rejected.

Actually, the American cricket governing body (whatever it's called) lobbied for at least one match of the current world cup to be played in Florida. But the idea was rejected.

No dip, a very small percentage of Americans give a rat's arse about cricket.

Actually, the American cricket governing body (whatever it's called) lobbied for at least one match of the current world cup to be played in Florida. But the idea was rejected.

I can imagine that such a match would have got at least, oh, two spectators. :p

No dip, a very small percentage of Americans give a rat's arse about cricket.

Well, there are an awful lot of leagues, so clearly some people are interested.

http://www.americancricket.net/leagues/index.asp

Well, there are an awful lot of leagues, so clearly some people are interested.

http://www.americancricket.net/leagues/index.asp

Which is why i said "very small percentage".

A football related murder, there's a shocking surprise.

Probably some hardcore Paki fan who took it to the extreme.

A football related murder, there's a shocking surprise.

Probably some hardcore Paki fan who took it to the extreme.

Would you like to read it all again before someone embarrasses you by pointing out where you're going wrong? :)

A football related murder, there's a shocking surprise.

Probably some hardcore Paki fan who took it to the extreme.

Would you like to read it all again before someone embarrasses you by pointing out where you're going wrong? :)
Oooh, oooh, can I, can I?!?! :p ;)

A football related murder, there's a shocking surprise.

Probably some hardcore Paki fan who took it to the extreme.

I'd like to thank mah teachers fer learn'm me ta read!
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Oooh, oooh, can I, can I?!?! :p ;)

Too slow. :p

Too slow. :p

Those who dare win! LOL

Would you like to read it all again before someone embarrasses you by pointing out where you're going wrong? :)

Who said the two agendas are mutually exclusive? If anything it would serve the same purpose and leave the hands of the real bastards clean of the murder.

Encourage some rabid football fan (and don't tell me there's no such thing) to "take revenge for Pakistan" and all the cops have to go on is a lone nutter who committed murder because his team got washed out of the tournament.

Who said the two agendas are mutually exclusive? If anything it would serve the same purpose and leave the hands of the real bastards clean of the murder.

Encourage some rabid football fan (and don't tell me there's no such thing) to "take revenge for Pakistan" and all the cops have to go on is a lone nutter who committed murder because his team got washed out of the tournament.
Again, read the thread. In particular, there may be one detail you might want to pay attention to. That being, and this is kinda key here, so really do pay attention, what sport we're talking about.

Dammit, soccerball, rugbye, crickut, who gives a shit? It's no baseball, I know that.

Again, read the thread. In particular, there may be one detail you might want to pay attention to. That being, and this is kinda key here, so really do pay attention, what sport we're talking about.

So because I got the sport wrong does that mean what I said about covering up a corruption has no point? Wow, what an insightful crowd.

:rolleyes:

it's just not cricket when someone resorts to murder is it? it's only a fucking sport anyway, i fail to see how any game outcome is worth a life, even if there's money on it. some people are just totally fucked up :(.

So because I got the sport wrong does that mean what I said about covering up a corruption has no point? Wow, what an insightful crowd.

:rolleyes:

You may have a point. You may not have a point. You certainly don't seem to know whereof you speak though, so if you do it's probably a fluke.

So because I got the sport wrong does that mean what I said about covering up a corruption has no point? Wow, what an insightful crowd.

:rolleyes:

No...not at all..I was just ribbing you is all...

Sadly there is too much corruption around.

If people want to play Agatha Christie games (I know I do), I suggest they look at the members of the Pakistani team who lost most personally from the defeat to Ireland, rather than theorising about corruption and match-rigging. This does not strike me as a premeditated murder, and Pakistan-Ireland doesn't strike me as a rigged match either.

Edit: I'll elaborate if anybody's THAT interested in the inner workings of my depraved mind.

If people want to play Agatha Christie games (I know I do), I suggest they look at the members of the Pakistani team who lost most personally from the defeat to Ireland, rather than theorising about corruption and match-rigging. This does not strike me as a premeditated murder, and Pakistan-Ireland doesn't strike me as a rigged match either.

Edit: I'll elaborate if anybody's THAT interested in the inner workings of my depraved mind.

I surmised the actual murder would have been carried out by an individual who took Pakistan's elimination personally. The fact that it silenced Woolmer is merely icing on the cake and a nice alibi for the corrupt Pakistani officials.

I surmised the actual murder would have been carried out by an individual who took Pakistan's elimination personally. The fact that it silenced Woolmer is merely icing on the cake and a nice alibi for the corrupt Pakistani officials.

Precisely. Furthermore, there were no signs of a struggle - either two people were involved and it was a hit (with the CCTV coverage of the hotel this should be easy enough to ascertain), or Woolmer knew his assailant.
It's easy to imagine a humiliated cricketer, severely embarassed and already with a grudge against Woolmer (and there were and are massive tensions within the team), losing his head in the aftermath of the defeat.

Speculation? Of course. But significantly less prurient than some of the speculation in the British tabloids, and it's only a tinternet forum anyhow.

The Jamaican Police are saying it wasn't a local who dun it, as their favourite weapons are knives or guns, not bare hands.
Of course, they might say this to fool the killer into thinking he's safe.

Imran Khan dismissed the theory about the murder being linked to match-rigging. But really, what other explanantion is there? Really think one of the players would have done just because he was upset over losing? If that was the case, the police would have uncovered the killer long ago.

"Bob 'dies of drugs and booze overdose': EXCLUSIVE. Cricket legend Bob Woolmer died last night of a suspected overdose of prescription drugs and alcohol." - Daily Mirror, 19 March, page 1.

"IT'S MURDER. OFFICIAL: WOOLMER WAS STRANGLED." - Daily Mirror, 23 March, page 1.

A little something from Private Eye showing the quality of the newspapers in this country. :)

"Bob 'dies of drugs and booze overdose': EXCLUSIVE. Cricket legend Bob Woolmer died last night of a suspected overdose of prescription drugs and alcohol." - Daily Mirror, 19 March, page 1.

"IT'S MURDER. OFFICIAL: WOOLMER WAS STRANGLED." - Daily Mirror, 23 March, page 1.

A little something from Private Eye showing the quality of the newspapers in this country. :)
It's a bit of a stretch calling the Mirror a newspaper.

It's a bit of a stretch calling the Mirror a newspaper.

True. Wasteofpaper might be more accurate.

It's a bit of a stretch calling the Mirror a newspaper.
It's not even absorbent enough to be of an other use either.

It's now been confirmed Woolmer was poisoned before he was strangled.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/6606175.stm

The Police say that this explains why he didn't appear to offer any resistance at all - he had already been incapacitated by that point.

I'm amazed that they still haven't made any arrests, though.