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Venezuelan dickhead Hugo Chavez's sympathizers are upset that a new videogame being released will challenge players to topple a Venezuelan dictator. I guess it hits too close to his supporters' paranoid delusions. Anyway, in response They're putting together a petition to get Bono from U2 involved in trying to get the game banned.

Chavez may have been able to get the starving masses in his nation to go along with censorship and to give him absolute power, but I seriously doubt anyone, especially Bono, can make the American people censor a video game on behalf of a foreign dictator.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6167814.html?tag=latestnews;title;2

But Just Cause is hilarious. God damn government vehicles appearing literally out of nowhere then running you off the road. And I don't mean out of the horizon, I mean appearing in the middle of the road in front of you like a damn David Copperfield trick.

Pah. Mercs 2? Ridiculous.

Venezuelan dickhead Hugo Chavez is upset that a new videogame being released will challenge players to topple a Venezuelan dictator. I guess it hits too close to his paranoid delusions. Anyway, in response he's putting together a petition to get Bono from U2 involved in trying to get the game banned.

Chavez may have been able to get the starving masses in his nation to go along with censorship and to give him absolute power, but I seriously doubt anyone, especially Bono, can make the American people censor a video game on behalf of a foreign dictator.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6167814.html?tag=latestnews;title;2I am against censorship.
We Americans have a god-given-rigth to mock-kill any Foreign President.

just ask Pat Roberstson.

Venezuelan dickhead Hugo Chavez is upset that a new videogame being released will challenge players to topple a Venezuelan dictator. I guess it hits too close to his paranoid delusions. Anyway, in response he's putting together a petition to get Bono from U2 involved in trying to get the game banned.

Chavez may have been able to get the starving masses in his nation to go along with censorship and to give him absolute power, but I seriously doubt anyone, especially Bono, can make the American people censor a video game on behalf of a foreign dictator.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6167814.html?tag=latestnews;title;2

And this is one reason why I do not like Chavez. I am as anti-censorship as you can get. Let the game be made! Hell, let a game be made that directs you to assassinate the American president for all I care!

Venezuelan dickhead Hugo Chavez is upset that a new videogame being released will challenge players to topple a Venezuelan dictator. I guess it hits too close to his paranoid delusions. Anyway, in response he's putting together a petition to get Bono from U2 involved in trying to get the game banned.

Chavez may have been able to get the starving masses in his nation to go along with censorship and to give him absolute power, but I seriously doubt anyone, especially Bono, can make the American people censor a video game on behalf of a foreign dictator.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6167814.html?tag=latestnews;title;2

Who makes the game? I should go buy lots of their stock because those puppies are going to be flying off the shelves.

Venezuelan dickhead Hugo Chavez is upset that a new videogame being released will challenge players to topple a Venezuelan dictator. I guess it hits too close to his paranoid delusions. Anyway, in response he's putting together a petition to get Bono from U2 involved in trying to get the game banned.

Chavez may have been able to get the starving masses in his nation to go along with censorship and to give him absolute power, but I seriously doubt anyone, especially Bono, can make the American people censor a video game on behalf of a foreign dictator.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6167814.html?tag=latestnews;title;2

I almost could hear the american whinings should a foreign company release a game called "Juba the Liberator", where you need to kill those marine oppressors with your sniper rifle, then travel to the US and finally placing a round through that president "GWB" of yours...

Chávez is not a dictator, first and foremost. I do oppose him in a more direct manner than you do, and yet I don't claim the nonsense you are spitting on this thread.

As if plenty of Americans wouldnt try to ban a South American video-game in which you were encouraged to assassinate the US President.

And as for if the issue were a game sold in Iran where the main character you play as is a fundamental Islamist terrorist whose mission is to assassinate the US President, we'd hear the US outcry in the Southern hemisphere without any need for it being broadcast over modern communications mediums.

I dont go in for censorship, and frankly I hope Chavez doesnt get his way on this, but to react as though if the boot were on the other foot, there wouldnt be an outcry and even attempts to get the video game banned or censored, is frankly a flight into dellusion.

This is not an issue of Chavez trying to impose censorship on the US, it's just a matter of someone offended by offensive material trying to do away with the source of their offence. Just as in most such cases, it is probably an effort that should be defended against, but trying to make the issue out to be anything less mundane than it is, isnt helpful or productive.

Let the game be made! Hell, let a game be made that directs you to assassinate the American president for all I care!Yeah I also think we should send-in the US Secret service.. If Eminem decided to finish-and-release this song:


NEW YORK (CNN) -- The Secret Service is trying to determine if any action needs to be taken regarding a lyric from rapper Eminem that may be a threat to President Bush.

The lyric comes from a bootleg Eminem recording -- one of several from the rapper making rounds on the Internet over the past week.

In the song called "We Are American," Eminem sings: "(Expletive) money, I don't rap for dead presidents. I'd rather see the president dead."

Dennis Dennehy, a spokesman for the Grammy- and Academy Award-winning rapper, told CNN the song was not ready for release.

"This was an unfinished song, either lost or stolen" Dennehy said. "There was no determination where, when, how or if it was going to be used."

A Secret Service probe is routine when something that could be construed as a threat to the president is brought to agents' attention.

"Dead presidents" is slang for cash because of the depiction of several presidents on currency.

The reference to seeing the president dead does not specify the president of the United States.

"We are aware of the lyric and are in the process of determining what action, if any, will be taken," said Secret Service spokesman John Gill.

The music has been circulating on fan sites, on peer-to-peer networks and in hip-hop chat rooms.

There is no indication that the rapper was complicit in the release of the bootleg song.

Venezuelan dickhead Hugo Chavez is upset that a new videogame being released will challenge players to topple a Venezuelan dictator. I guess it hits too close to his paranoid delusions. Anyway, in response he's putting together a petition to get Bono from U2 involved in trying to get the game banned.

Chavez may have been able to get the starving masses in his nation to go along with censorship and to give him absolute power, but I seriously doubt anyone, especially Bono, can make the American people censor a video game on behalf of a foreign dictator.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6167814.html?tag=latestnews;title;2Well, while Hugo Chavez' move looks pretty damn stupid, it would be foolish to assume that that kind of censorship is new to America.

What he apparently is trying to do is getting Bono to use his power as a board member of a stakeholder to put an end to what Chavez disagrees with.

I honestly don't see what's so novel about the idea of quashing opposition through involvement of higher ups in the executive branch of a company...

But Just Cause is hilarious. God damn government vehicles appearing literally out of nowhere then running you off the road. And I don't mean out of the horizon, I mean appearing in the middle of the road in front of you like a damn David Copperfield trick.

Pah. Mercs 2? Ridiculous.
Agreed. I'm renting Just Cause now, and although I usually support Chavez even I'll agree he's off his rocker here.:headbang: If anything, the dictator of San Esperito resembles Cuba's Fulgencio Batista or Chile's Augusto Pinochet more than anybody leftist; and the game's guerrillas definitely have their Guevarismo going, as a look at their radical-chic dress and populist rhetoric evidences.
I know less about Mercenaries 2's political line, but I'd say this to Chavez. Even if Mercs 2 is taking an anti-socialist line (appropriate for a game about free-market warfare:p) in contrast to Just Cause's arguable anti-fascist line, do remember that LucasArts is probably parodying Bush Administration policy as much as parroting it (if not more, in fact almost certainly so given Lucas' general liberalism IIRC). I've played Mercs 1, and I detected more veiled sarcasm about the whole "Axis of Evil" premise regarding North Korea than advocacy of it. Essentially, the game seemed to show how absurd the Bushite rhetoric really was, by running with it in all its self-parodying dramaturgy and America-centric cynicism; and thus letting the absurdities speak for themselves.
In short, I think Chavez needs to grow a thicker skin to match his paratrooper's swagger; and learn the difference between sarcasm and sincerity in political messages by the entertainment industry. Not to mention also learning the fact that, yes, we Gringos consider blowing up whole simulated Third World nations and skullduggering around while doing it fun; and aren't going to stop any time soon.:D

Nothing wrong with a person trying to raise a stink over something they don't like and calling for a ban. Otherwise, you all have a few words to send to some nice people like PETA, Focus on the family and I guess about every pressure group there is.

Also, there is something comical in seeing a country claiming the right to create whatever game it want about the death of a head of state when you know that the same country censored a movie about the deah of his own president. Free speach exist only when you do it, right?

That being said, Chavez is barking at the wrong tree on that one.

I almost could hear the american whinings should a foreign company release a game called "Juba the Liberator", where you need to kill those marine oppressors with your sniper rifle, then travel to the US and finally placing a round through that president "GWB" of yours...

Chávez is not a dictator, first and foremost. I do oppose him in a more direct manner than you do, and yet I don't claim the nonsense you are spitting on this thread.

You know, I totally agree with you. No, wait, I like some of the things I know about Chavez (at least, from what I get from the media, I don't live there). Anyway some US opinion is widely known as having double moral standards.

Yeah I also think we should send-in the US Secret service.. If Eminem decided to finish-and-release this song:g.

Where did I say we should send in the Secret Service? All I said was that if someone wanted to make a game about killing the American President they're more than welcome to do so in my mind. I don't care because unlike some overreactors I'm able to separate video game fantasy from reality. I've played many a violent game but I personally am a pacifist. I'll defend myself if necessary but I will never, ever kill anyone, even though I kill people all the time in video games.

I am against censorship.
We Americans have a god-given-rigth to mock-kill any Foreign President.

just ask Pat Roberstson.

wasnt there a little squabble over a movie being made,depiciting President Bush being assasinated a few months ago?


If Chavez was really concerned, maybe he'd behave a little better.

Paranoid delusions?

I think not, somehow. Why? Because it's not paranoia if people really are out to get you.

You may have forgotten that in 2002, the US State Department sponsored a coup d'etat against Chavez. Fortunately, it wasn't very successful - Chavez was back in office only two days later.

Just because they tried once (and failed), doesn't mean they haven't tried again or are going to try again in the future. Just consider how many times the CIA has tried to overthrow Fidel Castro (also unsuccessfully, I might add).

A good analogy would be if someone made a game where you had to hijack airliners and crash them into skyscrapers on purpose - because that too has actually happened.

Yes, it's only a video game, but metaphorically it's a lot more than that, so it's not too surprising that Chavez has reacted in this way.

You know, I totally agree with you. No, wait, I like some of the things I know about Chavez (at least, from what I get from the media, I don't live there). Anyway some US opinion is widely known as having double moral standards.

As implied by most posters on this thread, yeah, the problem is the said american "double standard".

The problem with Chávez is that he gets a lot of media cover by his speeches about the international situation, and not about his internal policies.

I even like some policies of my goverment. I despise most, although.

Venezuelan dickhead Hugo Chavez is upset that a new videogame being released will challenge players to topple a Venezuelan dictator. I guess it hits too close to his paranoid delusions. Anyway, in response he's putting together a petition to get Bono from U2 involved in trying to get the game banned.

Chavez may have been able to get the starving masses in his nation to go along with censorship and to give him absolute power, but I seriously doubt anyone, especially Bono, can make the American people censor a video game on behalf of a foreign dictator.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6167814.html?tag=latestnews;title;2

This is funny as hell. He's almost as bad as Hillary Clinton is but I doubt even Hillary will support his cause.

Chavez! News Flash: we have freedoms in this country that your population can only dream of.

Where did I say we should send in the Secret Service? All I said was that if someone wanted to make a game about killing the American President they're more than welcome to do so . Let me translate my last post.

Kyronea: "its Morally & Legally OK to make a game about killing Bush.
Occean: "How'bout a song ??"

Chavez! News Flash: we have freedoms in this country that your population can only dream of.

Which ones? I want to dream about those too.

Chavez! News Flash: we have freedoms in this country that your population can only dream of.yeah, like the freedom to have fair Presidential elections.

In your face!!! damn Venezuelians :D

And this is one reason why I do not like Chavez. I am as anti-censorship as you can get. Let the game be made! Hell, let a game be made that directs you to assassinate the American president for all I care!

They've come close. They've had a game where you meet the president himself, who at the time was captured by terrorists and actually cooperated with them. He tells you that the presidency is just a puppet show, and then he asks you to kill him, but before you can do that he's killed by a fake Russian with a cowboy obsession who was working for the Ex-President...or so it SEEMS!

I will give one of my cookies to whoever names the game first.

yeah, like the freedom to have fair Presidential elections.

In your face!!! damn Venezuelians :D

That was sarcasm or what?

yeah, like the freedom to have fair Presidential elections.

In your face!!! damn Venezuelians :D

:rolleyes:

Meh. More bullshit from bullshit politicians who can only think about their egos. How dare the private citizens of the USA portray Chavez as the dictator he is. After all, he's never called our President a devil or anything worse than that, ever (that's our job, thank you very much). Fucking hypocrite.

And I'm amused about that Eminem song, because there are bands that have released songs like, "Kill a President, DIY" (may have been talking about a non-American leader, though) or other songs that threaten violence against the President, and they've never gotten shit over it(mostly because they weren't produced by the Hollywood pop-shit machine).

Either way, I think everyone is being stupid. There is nothing wrong with media depicting a simulated assassination, so long as they do not call for that assassination.

That was sarcasm or what?yes.. massive amounts of sarcasm.

that is why Corny replied like this:
:rolleyes:

I almost could hear the american whinings should a foreign company release a game called "Juba the Liberator", where you need to kill those marine oppressors with your sniper rifle, then travel to the US and finally placing a round through that president "GWB" of yours...

Chávez is not a dictator, first and foremost. I do oppose him in a more direct manner than you do, and yet I don't claim the nonsense you are spitting on this thread.

I've got no problem with a video game that depicts the shooting of GWB. I'm an American and I believe in free speech.

Chavez has censored the media and has pushed for the right to make laws all by himself without having to answer to any kind of parliament or court. Sounds like a dictator to me.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6277379.stm

Human rights watch letter concerning freedom of the press in Venezuela
http://hrw.org/press/2003/06/venezuela062303-ltr.htm

I almost could hear the american whinings should a foreign company release a game called "Juba the Liberator", where you need to kill those marine oppressors with your sniper rifle, then travel to the US and finally placing a round through that president "GWB" of yours...

Chávez is not a dictator, first and foremost. I do oppose him in a more direct manner than you do, and yet I don't claim the nonsense you are spitting on this thread.

Ha...ha ha...ha ha...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAA! XD

And this is one reason why I do not like Chavez. I am as anti-censorship as you can get. Let the game be made! Hell, let a game be made that directs you to assassinate the American president for all I care!

JFK Reloaded. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JFK_Reloaded)

I almost could hear the american whinings should a foreign company release a game called "Juba the Liberator", where you need to kill those marine oppressors with your sniper rifle, then travel to the US and finally placing a round through that president "GWB" of yours...


Yes, I'd be interested to see how people would react to that...


Chávez is not a dictator, first and foremost. I do oppose him in a more direct manner than you do, and yet I don't claim the nonsense you are spitting on this thread.

Well put. When a Venezuelan opponent of Chavez says anti-Chavez foreigners are talking nonsense, the latter really should realise they haven't got a leg to stand on.

Either way, I think everyone is being stupid. There is nothing wrong with media depicting a simulated assassination, so long as they do not call for that assassination.my questions are:

Is there anything wrong with someone releasing a song about killing Bush?
Is There anything ilegal?

If not ilegal, should americans try to Ban/boycot the singer.

I've got no problem with a video game that depicts the shooting of GWB. I'm an American and I believe in free speech.

Chavez has censored the media and has pushed for the right to make laws all by himself without having to answer to any kind of parliament or court. Sounds like a dictator to me.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6277379.stm

Human rights watch letter concerning freedom of the press in Venezuela
http://hrw.org/press/2003/06/venezuela062303-ltr.htm

While I agree with you on the problems with freedom of the press in Venezuela, I must point out that Chavez is not attempting to censor this video game. According to your link, it is some leftist support group in the USA:

The Venezuelan Solidarity Network is asking for help to stop production of Pandemic Studios' upcoming game Mercenaries 2: World in Flames.

It is a bit of a stretch to say that the actions of this group are the actions of the Venezuelan President. The closest thing I could find was a protest by a
Venezuelan congressman:
Venezuelan congressman Ismael Garcia, a supporter of Mr Chavez, said the computer game was preparation work for a real invasion.

"I think the US government knows how to prepare campaigns of psychological terror so they can make things happen later," he said.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/5016514.stm

To me, this does not add up to censorship by anyone who is part of the Venezuelan government. There are much more real and important problems taking place in Venezuela right now with regards to censorship.

my questions are:

Is there anything wrong with someone releasing a song about killing Bush?
Is There anything ilegal?

If not ilegal, should americans try to Ban/boycot the singer.

Nope-just dont buy the shit if you dont like it.

my questions are:

Is there anything wrong with someone releasing a song about killing Bush?

Directly calling for the assassination? Yes. Generally, calling on people to kill someone is considered bad form. Expressing a desire to? No, although it isn't mature.

Is There anything ilegal?

Once again, it is illegal to call for anyone to be killed in real life. The second case, I'm not sure, you'd have to ask a lawyer.

If not ilegal, should americans try to Ban/boycot the singer.

Depends? I don't really care about what Americans do or do not do to our music industry. Most of the musicians in the American music industry suck anyway. The ones who actually have opinions wouldn't lose listeners if Americans boycotted them.

Depends? I don't really care about what Americans do or do not do to our music industry. Most of the musicians in the American music industry suck anyway. The ones who actually have opinions wouldn't lose listeners if Americans boycotted them.
Unless of course their opinion happened to be self-shame at coming from the same state as the President of the US....

I've got no problem with a video game that depicts the shooting of GWB. I'm an American and I believe in free speech.

Chavez has censored the media and has pushed for the right to make laws all by himself without having to answer to any kind of parliament or court. Sounds like a dictator to me.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6277379.stm

Human rights watch letter concerning freedom of the press in Venezuela
http://hrw.org/press/2003/06/venezuela062303-ltr.htm

I've no problem with the video game, actually, but I am just pinpointing a few facts about this "outrage".

I am a venezuelan journalist, sorry if I sound a bit arrogant with this, but I think I know a bit more about the current status of the venezuelan media than you, and sorry again. We are limited, and it is starting to get worse, but to claim that we don't have free speech is totally out of the question. I am here, and I am saying whatever I want. I do on my show too, every day, and on my column each week, on the newspaper, and most of what I say is against the goverment, because I am truly a Chávez opposer.

The parliament gave him that right, the "Ley Habilitante". I don't like it, I don't approve it, but it is not a "dictatorial" measure as you claim. It is perfectly legal, and sadly he has the approval of the people regarding that, check the results of last december elections, and that makes that law perfectly legitimate too. Oh, and it happened before several times, but those times, well, seems like FOX news wasn't aware back then to arm the international fuss about it. If you actually compare Bush's last policies, well, the comparison is clear.

Human Right Watch and Amnesty International have their office in the same building as the radio station where I work. Sadly, those offices are filled with spiderwebs as far as I know. From time to time, they pull something like that out of their butts.

Next time, fill yourself with more background and stop helping to spread the notion that most americans are just people with their heads deeply imbibed inside their asses, not knowing anything outside their countries and spitting things from their mouths without thinking them first. It gives your fellow citizens a bad name. In your defense, international news services are not complete or accurate sources. Then again, the BBC tries to.

Again, sorry and thanks.

Chavez is not attempting to censor this video game.

Perhaps the OP could be edited to reflect this? Unless DCD is more interested in spreading lies than in recognising that his own statement is untrue.

Unless of course their opinion happened to be self-shame at coming from the same state as the President of the US....

The Dixie Chicks were happy to retreat from that position, having received the attention that it earned them.

I've no problem with the video game, actually, but I am just pinpointing a few facts about this "outrage".

I am a venezuelan journalist, sorry if I sound a bit arrogant with this, but I think I know a bit more about the current status of the venezuelan media than you, and sorry again. We are limited, and it is starting to get worse, but to claim that we don't have free speech is totally out of the question. I am here, and I am saying whatever I want. I do on my show too, every day, and on my column each week, on the newspaper, and most of what I say is against the goverment, because I am truly a Chávez opposer.

The parliament gave him that right, the "Ley Habilitante". I don't like it, I don't approve it, but it is not a "dictatorial" measure as you claim. It is perfectly legal, and sadly he has the approval of the people regarding that, check the results of last december elections, and that makes that law perfectly legitimate too. Oh, and it happened before several times, but those times, well, seems like FOX news wasn't aware back then to arm the international fuss about it. If you actually compare Bush's last policies, well, the comparison is clear.

Human Right Watch and Amnesty International have their office in the same building as the radio station where I work. Sadly, those offices are filled with spiderwebs as far as I know. From time to time, they pull something like that out of their butts.

Next time, fill yourself with more background and stop helping to spread the notion that most americans are just people with their heads deeply imbibed inside their asses, not knowing anything outside their countries and spitting things from their mouths without thinking them first. It gives your fellow citizens a bad name. In your defense, international news services are not complete or accurate sources. Then again, the BBC tries to.

Again, sorry and thanks.


If you're a Venezuelan journalist I'm sure you do have a better understanding of the situation in Venezuela than I do, but you did make two assumptions that aren't justified.

1) I don't watch FOX.

3) I don't get all of my info from news services. I get some of my information on Venezuela from friends living in Florida who frequently speak to their family in Venezuela.

The Dixie Chicks were happy to retreat from that position, having received the attention that it earned them.
Assertion = US musicians voicing opinions will not result in loss of losers
Counter point = Dixie Chicks
You comment = Utterly irrelevent to the assertion and the counterpoint being made.

While I agree with you on the problems with freedom of the press in Venezuela, I must point out that Chavez is not attempting to censor this video game. According to your link, it is some leftist support group in the USA:

It is a bit of a stretch to say that the actions of this group are the actions of the Venezuelan President. The closest thing I could find was a protest by a
Venezuelan congressman:


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/5016514.stm

To me, this does not add up to censorship by anyone who is part of the Venezuelan government. There are much more real and important problems taking place in Venezuela right now with regards to censorship.

Aaand, quoted for truth. Chávez hasn't said anything about this, actually.

Perhaps the OP could be edited to reflect this? Unless DCD is more interested in spreading lies than in recognising that his own statement is untrue.

Done.

If you're a Venezuelan journalist I'm sure you do have a better understanding of the situation in Venezuela than I do, but you did make two assumptions that aren't justified.

1) I don't watch FOX.

3) I don't get all of my info from news services. I get some of my information on Venezuela from friends living in Florida who frequently speak to their family in Venezuela.

1) I didn't say you do. I did say that FOX started a fuss about that, and spreaded to other international news services. You could had read about it anywhere.

2) I wonder why they left the country, for sure they are heavy patriots :rolleyes: Let me guess, do they live in Weston? Just guessing.

Assertion = US musicians voicing opinions will not result in loss of losers
Counter point = Dixie Chicks
You comment = Utterly irrelevent to the assertion and the counterpoint being made.

Well the keyword here may have been the assertion that the Dixie Chicks had anything to do with music.

However, your point stands. It is, however, the exception that prooves the rule, rather than visa-versa.

1) I didn't say you do. I did say that FOX started a fuss about that, and spreaded to other international news services. You could had read about it anywhere.

2) I wonder why they left the country, for sure they are heavy patriots :rolleyes: Let me guess, do they live in Weston? Just guessing.

Orlando. And most of the family is still in Venezuela.

Orlando. And most of the family is still in Venezuela.

They are establishing a beach head? Or studying?

Done.

Thank you. Good for you.

They are establishing a beach head? Or studying?

One is married to one of my closest friends and the other is just living here. I'm sensing a bit of hostility. Why? I never said anything bad about the Venezuelan people or about you.

Well the keyword here may have been the assertion that the Dixie Chicks had anything to do with music.

However, your point stands. It is, however, the exception that prooves the rule, rather than visa-versa.
If the US's most popular musician were to announce tomorrow that they approved of legalising sex with minors as young as 3 years old, do you really think they wouldnt loose any listeners? How about if the 'Prussian Blue' girls started advocated the inferority of the white aryan race? It seems to me that if a person is deeply offended by a particular artist's public opinions, they very well might refuse to contribute to their financial well-being. If opinions are either sufficiently controversial in general, or anathema to an artist's particular audiance, so that a significant number of their usual listeners are sufficiently offended, then I fail to see what would prevent them from loosing listeners.

I've no problem with the video game, actually, but I am just pinpointing a few facts about this "outrage".

I am a venezuelan journalist, sorry if I sound a bit arrogant with this, but I think I know a bit more about the current status of the venezuelan media than you, and sorry again. We are limited, and it is starting to get worse, but to claim that we don't have free speech is totally out of the question. I am here, and I am saying whatever I want. I do on my show too, every day, and on my column each week, on the newspaper, and most of what I say is against the goverment, because I am truly a Chávez opposer.

The parliament gave him that right, the "Ley Habilitante". I don't like it, I don't approve it, but it is not a "dictatorial" measure as you claim. It is perfectly legal, and sadly he has the approval of the people regarding that, check the results of last december elections, and that makes that law perfectly legitimate too. Oh, and it happened before several times, but those times, well, seems like FOX news wasn't aware back then to arm the international fuss about it. If you actually compare Bush's last policies, well, the comparison is clear.

Human Right Watch and Amnesty International have their office in the same building as the radio station where I work. Sadly, those offices are filled with spiderwebs as far as I know. From time to time, they pull something like that out of their butts.

Next time, fill yourself with more background and stop helping to spread the notion that most americans are just people with their heads deeply imbibed inside their asses, not knowing anything outside their countries and spitting things from their mouths without thinking them first. It gives your fellow citizens a bad name. In your defense, international news services are not complete or accurate sources. Then again, the BBC tries to.

Again, sorry and thanks.What do you mean "filled with spiderwebs"?

If the US's most popular musician were to announce tomorrow that they approved of legalising sex with minors as young as 3 years old, do you really think they wouldnt loose any listeners? How about if the 'Prussian Blue' girls started advocated the inferority of the white aryan race? It seems to me that if a person is deeply offended by a particular artist's public opinions, they very well might refuse to contribute to their financial well-being. If opinions are either sufficiently controversial in general, or anathema to an artist's particular audiance, so that a significant number of their usual listeners are sufficiently offended, then I fail to see what would prevent them from loosing listeners.

I'm simply asserting that none of the US's popular "musicians" has the stones to actually have an opinion, let alone a controvercial one.

Not against you. I just don't feel comfortable with the "stalwart" opposers of Chávez living outside. It is not even hostility, it is just "disapproval". I am a citizen of the EU, and yet I am not leaving because I really want to fight for what I think it is my homeland before it goes down the drain, exactly where I think the Chávez administration is sending it. If you just go coward and leave the boat because you think it is sinking, stop talking about it.

I just said you were misinformed, as actually most american people are. Otherwise I would just said you are an idiot. You don't look like one, so I didn't said that.

One is married to one of my closest friends and the other is just living here. I'm sensing a bit of hostility. Why? I never said anything bad about the Venezuelan people or about you.

dont be led on.

What do you mean "filled with spiderwebs"?

Noone goes ever in there. Always empty. Empty offices tend to have lots of spiderwebs. From time to time, you see someone. That's all, not exactly "hard work" in my opinion.

I'm sensing a bit of hostility. Why? I think he is trying to figure.. what is the background of those Venezuelans.

the opinion of one Venezuela (Iraqi/Iranian) Family, does NOT necessarily reflects the opinion of the people of Venezuela (or Iraq/Iran).

I think he is trying to figure.. what is the background of those Venezuelans.

the opinion of one Venezuelan/Iraqi/Iranian Family, does necessarily reflects the opinion of their people.

She, she, not he.

I am trying to figure why are they there, and not here, that's all.

Ethnic points...Tch, tch. Not at all related. You missed the target wide, try again.

We don't have lots of iraqi or iranian related people. We have lots of lebanese, although.

wasnt there a little squabble over a movie being made,depiciting President Bush being assasinated a few months ago?

Ayup, English docudrama-somethingorother.

Ethnic points...Tch, tch. Not at all related. hmm.. what ethnic points?

You missed the target wide, try again..oye mi amor.. no te me pongas Guapa ;)


We don't have lots of iraqi or iranian related people. We have lots of lebanese, although. I did NOT say you have.

I'm simply asserting that none of the US's popular "musicians" has the stones to actually have an opinion, let alone a controvercial one.
Which would be odd indeed if having an opinion didnt expose one to the risk of losing listeners....
Fair enough.

She, she, not he.nice, dicen que las venezolanas son muy lindas.

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=18e3718f-61ec-4bf6-a785-89f8e8da2e14

This is a link to an article about a game wherein the Canadian Prime Minister gets assassinated. Very popular. No PM Harper sponsored groups ion the states are crying about it. It’s just a game.

But, there is a game allowing you to re-enact the assasination of JFK, and his family was quite upset about it, but in this case, this was a real life event, a murder.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/11/23/jfk_game/


WWJD
Amen.

I did not say you have.

Just clarifying a point :)

Just clarifying a point :)for you.. I am available to clarify anything .. anytime..

except office hours.. and Sundays.. I am just a part time shagger ^^

:rolleyes:

I prefer to be labeled as "smart" than "beautiful"

And you people wonder why girls are not common here.

:rolleyes:

I prefer to be labeled as "smart" than "beautiful"

And you people wonder why girls are not common here.
I don't wonder much at all about that, really. Especially with peoples like The Sim Circus and Verdigroth.

:rolleyes:

I prefer to be labeled as "smart" than "beautiful"
it is clear for me that you are smart..
and your English skill are better than most of US (dudes born in the USA)



And you people wonder why girls are not common here.
#1 We (the men of NS) do not worry about that..
#2 There is lots of girls here at NSG.

my questions are:

Is there anything wrong with someone releasing a song about killing Bush?
Is There anything ilegal?

Advocating the death of the President is a no no if you are an American.

Bush and Chavez will always hate each other. Venezuala can prevent the games from being imported into the country for sale and that just about is the end of it.

Getting upset about it doesn't matter one whit.

I don't like either one of the "dickheads" in question and I wish they would both go away.

Advocating the death of the President is a no no if you are an American.

Legally you are 100% correct.

We have elevated our Presidents to Mount Olympus. It is sad however to note that disagreeing vociferously with a President seems to be as large as sin as advocating their violent removal. I disagree with Bush on almost every subject and I wish he would go away before he does anymore damage to the Constitution of the United States, but that won't happen and as a loyal US citizen I would never advocate anything violent being done to the President's person. I may wish him ill, and that I most certainly do. He is an arrogant dickhead who is not worthy to embrace the mantle of "conservative."

The President, while in office is above the law and can't be arrested. He is structurally "above the law" no matter how hideous the crime he commits. I have always had moral and ethical reservations about that immunity.

The President, while in office is above the law and can't be arrested. He is structurally "above the law" no matter how hideous the crime he commits. I have always had moral and ethical reservations about that immunity.

Between you and me, I have to agree with you on this.

The President...
is structurally "above the law" no matter how hideous the crime he commits. Between you and me, I have to agree with you on this.http://site.www.umb.edu/forum/1/AMST206/res/crook.jpg
I am not a crook !!

Between you and me, I have to agree with you on this.

Mark the calendar, sir. :)

http://site.www.umb.edu/forum/1/AMST206/res/crook.jpg

Nixon was a very bad man who happened to have one of the most brilliant Geopolitical minds on the earth. When he resigned, I thought he should immediately be arrested and stand trial for his crimes.

Gerry Ford pardoned him...<sigh>, and the United States is too weak willed to treat it's former Chief Executives like other men.

Throwing Nixon in prison would have been harsh medicine for this country, but it would have been much needed medicine.

#1 We (the men of NS) do not worry about that..
#2 There is lots of girls here at NSG.

You actually don't worry so much that you spark a thread about it on a monthy basis or even more.

And regarding the male population, not so much, although I would like to see it increase

The article from the OP had me laughing my ass off...

While no real names are used, protestors see the plot as a clear parallel to the Unites States' troubled relationship with Venezuelan leader Hugo Chavez, and are labeling the shooter as anti-Venezuela propaganda.

Propaganda...targeting the most apathetic voting block??

What...are they worried all the gamers will suddenly volunteer for the Marine Corps or something??

The letter from the Venezuelan Solidarity Network to Bono reads: "The aim of the video game is full devastation, so any 'person' who moves should be 'shot,' and all the buildings, such as the headquarters of PDVSA, the Venezuelan public oil company, can be 'destroyed.' Our concern is that this game will only deepen an already antagonistic relationship between the U.S. and Venezuelan governments.

The U.S. government, collectively, doesn't give a flying fuck about a video game.

If the Venezuelan government does, well...tough cookies.

Millions of Venezuelans fear an invasion from the U.S.;

Millions of Venezuelans are idiots for not realizing that the U.S. military is too overextended to do anything to anybody...if they weren't, then Iran and NoKo would't be the issues that they are currently.

...knowing that a company that works for the US military has created a game in which their country is completely destroyed will increase those concerns."

Wow....

Fucking....wow.

"A private company that was contracted to do some work for the US Military has made a game where our country sucks...the F-15's cannot be far behind!"

:rolleyes:

One month before that, a member of the Venezuelan government publicly decried the game, calling it a "justification for an imperialist aggression."

Are you fucking serious??

A video game is justification for war now?

Give me some of whatever this guy is smoking, cause it must be fucking great.

Fuck Chavez. The first Mercenaries is actually one of my all-time favorite games. It's like GTA, but in a war-zone.

I bet Kim Jong Ill never complained about the original Mercenaries, which was set in Korea. Shit, I bet he played it.

I bet Kim Jong Ill never complained about the original Mercenaries, which was set in Korea.

Indeed...I never heard a peep regarding the utter destruction of NK in the first game.

Sounds like some people in Venezuela need a big lesson in "STFU".

Shit, I bet he played it.

Wouldn't shock me. :p

Millions of Venezuelans are idiots for not realizing that the U.S. military is too overextended to do anything to anybody...if they weren't, then Iran and NoKo would't be the issues that they are currently.
:rolleyes:

A lot of people in each and every country are idiots too. A lot of millions, I would say, but usually saying that out loud in that way is more than unpolite.

Don't become a number, too, stay as an individual.

Venezuelan dickhead Hugo Chavez's sympathizers are upset that a new videogame being released will challenge players to topple a Venezuelan dictator. I guess it hits too close to his supporters' paranoid delusions. Anyway, in response They're putting together a petition to get Bono from U2 involved in trying to get the game banned.

Chavez may have been able to get the starving masses in his nation to go along with censorship and to give him absolute power, but I seriously doubt anyone, especially Bono, can make the American people censor a video game on behalf of a foreign dictator.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6167814.html?tag=latestnews;title;2



don't worry, if they can't get GTA banned they can't get this one either.

Done.

DCD, you are a pleasure to disagree with. Thank you.

Venezuelan dickhead Hugo Chavez's sympathizers are upset that a new videogame being released will challenge players to topple a Venezuelan dictator. I guess it hits too close to his supporters' paranoid delusions. Anyway, in response They're putting together a petition to get Bono from U2 involved in trying to get the game banned.

Chavez may have been able to get the starving masses in his nation to go along with censorship and to give him absolute power, but I seriously doubt anyone, especially Bono, can make the American people censor a video game on behalf of a foreign dictator.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6167814.html?tag=latestnews;title;2

Well, Iran wants us to censor the movie "300" because they're offended.

I mean, they can have a Holocaust denial conference, and a cartoon contest to make fun of the Holocaust, but perish forbid anyone should make a movie showing ancient Persians in a bad light.