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I'm sure this type of thread has arisen before, but I'm going to go ahead and rehash the subject, as it's one I'm fascinated with and I've yet to see it brought up on NSG. Many of you are aware of the apocalypse, the end times, armageddon...and I'm sure (especially on NSG) these are ideas that are pelted with skepticism and total disbelief. However, I know there are some believers scattered here and there, who can't just very well ignore entire passages from the bible. What are your thoughts? Do you think we're living in the end times now, and if so, why? And if you don't believe we'll see an apocalypse this lifetime, do you think we'll see one eventually? Excuse me if I haven't put a lot of thought into this thread or these questions, as I'm rather tired (it's two in the morning here). I just got done reading all this prophecy stuff online and I'm a little weirded out. My mind's kind of on the fritz, but it'd be mucho appreciated if you guys humored me.

Oh, and this thread will also discuss the total awesomeness of Apocalypse, X-Men villain and destructor.

Technically speaking, the "End Times" is all of existence after the resurrection of Jesus.

So yes, we are.

That doesn't mean we're all about to be judged in the next ten minutes... but we might be.

You ready?

Technically speaking, the "End Times" is all of existence after the resurrection of Jesus.

So yes, we are.

That doesn't mean we're all about to be judged in the next ten minutes... but we might be.

You ready?

I dunno. I'm not religious myself, not so much because I don't believe in a God but because I feel like at this point in my life, it'd be difficult to make a legitimate committment.

It is kind of scary when you look around and you start to see shit line up though. There's a big part of me that says, "bah, whatever", but than there's that little voice saying all this stuff that's happening may not just be coincidental.

Well, technically speaking we're in the end times...

However I see nothing that remotely corosponds to the Biblical end times.

I feel I must paraphrase Ghost Busters in that every culture has its own myth of the end of the world. These myths always seem to be vauge enough that you can find the 'signs' of the end times in just about every disaster or event that happens, allowing them to be used to rally the faithful (or earn bukoo bucks by writing bad novels) anytime said faithful is feeling unsure of themselves.

I seriously doubt the world is going to end any time soon.

Again, in theory nothing is true coincidence.

By way of example, if you run on the assumption that the laws of physics are stable (which we generally assume to be the case) or predictable at any rate, and knew with perfect clarity the state of existence at the moment of the big bang, then, if you had a powerful enough supercomputer you could work out exactly how each and every piece of matter and energy would interract with each and every other component.

That doesn't mean that you aren't responsible for your actions.

If I am beating someone at, say, chess, then I know what they are going to do, but it's still their choice to make it. I'm just aware of what their choice will be before they are.

And yes, these are the end times. Maybe in the next 30 seconds, maybe in the next year, maybe not for another 40 millennia.

We don't know for sure. Jesus even said that only the Father knows.

I await the moment with delight and terror.

You?

Reminds me of this...

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/53256

I lol the 3rd answer

I'm sure this type of thread has arisen before, but I'm going to go ahead and rehash the subject, as it's one I'm fascinated with and I've yet to see it brought up on NSG. Many of you are aware of the apocalypse, the end times, armageddon...and I'm sure (especially on NSG) these are ideas that are pelted with skepticism and total disbelief. However, I know there are some believers scattered here and there, who can't just very well ignore entire passages from the bible. What are your thoughts? Do you think we're living in the end times now, and if so, why? And if you don't believe we'll see an apocalypse this lifetime, do you think we'll see one eventually? Excuse me if I haven't put a lot of thought into this thread or these questions, as I'm rather tired (it's two in the morning here). I just got done reading all this prophecy stuff online and I'm a little weirded out. My mind's kind of on the fritz, but it'd be mucho appreciated if you guys humored me.

I don't believe that we're in the end times. I believe that's all past and we're in Hell.

I'm sure this type of thread has arisen before, but I'm going to go ahead and rehash the subject, as it's one I'm fascinated with and I've yet to see it brought up on NSG. Many of you are aware of the apocalypse, the end times, armageddon...and I'm sure (especially on NSG) these are ideas that are pelted with skepticism and total disbelief. However, I know there are some believers scattered here and there, who can't just very well ignore entire passages from the bible. What are your thoughts? Do you think we're living in the end times now, and if so, why? And if you don't believe we'll see an apocalypse this lifetime, do you think we'll see one eventually? Excuse me if I haven't put a lot of thought into this thread or these questions, as I'm rather tired (it's two in the morning here). I just got done reading all this prophecy stuff online and I'm a little weirded out. My mind's kind of on the fritz, but it'd be mucho appreciated if you guys humored me.which apocalypse (=revelation,disclosure) ? there are many in the bible. at least its authors claim that these are revelations, although one might think those folks just had too many beers

Jesus even said that only the Father knows. that is, that some author wrote that Jesus doesn't know and the "Father" does.
although the Christian core belief of trinity has it that Jesus is the "Father" also.

I await the moment with delight and terror.


So did all these people, nations and random crackpots:
http://www.abhota.info/end1.htm

although the Christian core belief of trinity has it that Jesus is the "Father" also.

That would be a resounding "no". God, yes, but the Father, no. Conventional trinitarian doctrine holds that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all seperate, yet tri-unitary.

Counter-intuitive, perhaps, but true as far as the systematic theological research goes.

What the fuck are you on? Don't you know that the jotuns are going to join with legions of undead souls, the midgard serpent, Fenris the Wolf, and be led by Loki from the horror ship Naglfar (made of fingernails and other nasty things) to do battle with the Aesir gods and the legions of dead heroes who reside in Valhalla (this being their very purpose)? Most of the gods will die, but all of the jotuns and other fell creatures will.

Geez, get with the program.

What the fuck are you on? Don't you know that the jotuns are going to join with legions of undead souls, the midgard serpent, Fenris the Wolf, and be led by Loki from the horror ship Naglfar (made of fingernails and other nasty things) to do battle with the Aesir gods and the legions of dead heroes who reside in Valhalla (this being their very purpose)? Most of the gods will die, but all of the jotuns and other fell creatures will.

Geez, get with the program.

Ah. Sorry. I will recheck my facts for references to Loki, Odin and Thor within the book of Revelations...

Apologies to all for my error...

Or, something :P

Ah. Sorry. I will recheck my facts for references to Loki, Odin and Thor within the book of Revelations...

Apologies to all for my error...

Or, something :P

You won't find them in than half-rate fantasy novel.

Ah. Sorry. I will recheck my facts for references to Loki, Odin and Thor within the book of Revelations...

Apologies to all for my error...

Or, something :P

Ragnarok rocks. And armageddon tired of all this end times chat.

(note to self - do not post when exhausted)

You won't find them in than half-rate fantasy novel.

Oh.

*puts down "Norse Mythology Reference Guide"*

Fair enough then...

How did you know what I was checking?

Oh.

*puts down "Norse Mythology Reference Guide"*

Fair enough then...

How did you know what I was checking?

Odin= badass without peer. Neo crossed with Sid Vicious crossed with a third badass component.

Jesus= carpenter.

We don't know for sure. Jesus even said that only the Father knows. Funny how that makes for a "The telescreens are on, but you don't know if they're watching" effect, isn't it?

I await the moment with delight and terror.

You?Considering that there's probably only going to be one end of the world, it's far more likely that humans and not God will be responsible, so dread is the proper emotion.

The most likely quasi-apocalyptic event will be orbiting weapons, either relavistic bombardment devices or anti-matter bombardment devices.

I have always wondered what the Hellenistic/Romanic apocalypse was. Nothing beats Ragnarok in european apocalypse.

I also wonder if you could be part of the christian apocalyptic belief and still be an eternalist (you believe that the past, present and future have already existed).

so what role does Martin Sheen have in all this?

so what role does Martin Sheen have in all this?

Leader of the armies of darkness?

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the real apocalypse is what we're doing to the web of life our own species depends upon with our own hands. not by offending some big daddy in the sky.

going out with a bang by making big holes in the ground full of unhappy dead people seems to be the option one lone nut and the conscousless economic interests that support him seem to be attempting to provoke.

both are none the less human options and entirely up to members of our species collectively.

we also have a very real option of doing neither and actualy surviving.

whatever gods exist, and i'm certainly not dismissing nor rejecting the possibility, have demonstrably and observably refrained from micro-managing the situation.

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Now I can't remember whether I gave the signal or not.

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Mmh. Looks like those guys don't really remember, either.

I know some of you have heard about 2012, but I've yet to see it mentioned. Any thoughts?

I thought this thread was going to be about this guy (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4e/Apoc34.jpg).

I thought this thread was going to be about this guy (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4e/Apoc34.jpg).

Did I forget to put that in the OP? I'll go back and edit it.

Did I forget to put that in the OP? I'll go back and edit it.

LOL! I like how you tacked it on there at the end of the OP. You really didn't have to do that, though. I was just being a smartass. :p

LOL! I like how you tacked it on there at the end of the OP. You really didn't have to do that, though. I was just being a smartass. :p

Look, bub. This is the apocalypse thread. We need to cover all the bases, no matter how controversial some of them may seem.

isnt the book of revelations a rant about the roman empire and how it would end?

isnt the book of revelations a rant about the roman empire and how it would end?

Nuh-uh:
A magic mushroom-induced rant about the roman empire and how it would end.

At least, that's the most credible explanation I've ever come across.

I'm sure this type of thread has arisen before, but I'm going to go ahead and rehash the subject, as it's one I'm fascinated with and I've yet to see it brought up on NSG. Many of you are aware of the apocalypse, the end times, armageddon...and I'm sure (especially on NSG) these are ideas that are pelted with skepticism and total disbelief. However, I know there are some believers scattered here and there, who can't just very well ignore entire passages from the bible. What are your thoughts? Do you think we're living in the end times now, and if so, why? And if you don't believe we'll see an apocalypse this lifetime, do you think we'll see one eventually? Excuse me if I haven't put a lot of thought into this thread or these questions, as I'm rather tired (it's two in the morning here). I just got done reading all this prophecy stuff online and I'm a little weirded out. My mind's kind of on the fritz, but it'd be mucho appreciated if you guys humored me.

Oh, and this thread will also discuss the total awesomeness of Apocalypse, X-Men villain and destructor.

Personally I don't see that happening. The undergraduate physicist in me says that universe is going to progressively expand to a point where it either undergoes a Big Rip (wherein the acceleration outwards due to "dark energy" is greater than the acceleration due to gravity and the other fundamental forces, causing matter to literally rip apart,) or will continue to expand but at a slow enough speed such that our local portion of the universe will undergo a Heat Death.

The lapsed Hindu turned-agnostic in me says the world's going to go on and on and on in a cyclic fashion, and if there ever is an end, it'll merely also be the start or a new universe.

I have always wondered what the Hellenistic/Romanic apocalypse was.

Then you should have followed the link I posted earlier today.
[Sulks.]

Then you should have followed the link I posted earlier today.
[Sulks.]

But it doesn't mention how Rome will be destroyed, only when *pouts*. Not even a mention of hellenistic apocalypse either :(

However, entertaining link all round!

But it doesn't mention how Rome will be destroyed, only when *pouts*. Not even a mention of hellenistic apocalypse either :(


Oh I see.
Well, Roman religion was more like spirit/nature worship than what we think of as a religion. Basically they believed in beings which lacked form and didn't follow human motivations, therefore were likely to do highly unpredictable things for no obvious reason. So most Romans probably wouldn't have bothered to speculate too much about the whole thing.

As for the Greeks, I'm not sure they had a concept of the apocalypse. The disreputable gang of Mount Olympus misfits portrayed in their legends would hardly have wanted to let humanity die out - there'd be no-one left for them to have illicit affairs with.
The Greeks did have a Great Flood legend, though, so that would seem to be a logical choice if they did have any such worry.

The Book of Revelations has always been controversial, even when it was accepted as part of the Bible (rather than into the fairly miscellaneous body of "early Christian literature").

It's a book of prophecy. The key to reading isn't in exactly the words it says, but in the meaning its trying to convey, in this particular book more than any other (with the possible exception of the first couple of chapters of Genesis).

The gist of it as explained to me is that the Father knows when the end will come (in whatever form that may be), has always known, in fact, and that whether the event is man-made, cosmic or supernatural, it will come. Every species in existence has had its end, and we are likely to be no exception.

Revelations is saying that when the end of existence (for us anyway) comes, He will know about it, and it won't just be events in the physical world that are occurring, although that may be all that many of us are aware of at the time.

Well, hopefully, I'll be able to gtfo this planet or this universe before the shit hits the fan, but it's a good 9 billion to 100 trillion years away at least. I don't have too much to worry about right now.

I know some of you have heard about 2012, but I've yet to see it mentioned. Any thoughts?

The Mayan calendar does not end in 2012. We all know this already.

A history teacher i know averaged out everyone's (Maya, Nostradamus, Inca etc.) end of the world date and it has come out to April 12, 2024

have fun til then ;)

Apocalypse sucks. Magneto ripped him in half.

Apocalypse sucks. Magneto ripped him in half.

Say what?

Nuh-uh:
A magic mushroom-induced rant about the roman empire and how it would end.

At least, that's the most credible explanation I've ever come across.

well it did come to an end. not quite in the time frame suggested or in the way suggested but i guess the writer was vindicated after a fashion.

as apocalypse means a revelation, one might prefer the apocalypse of peter. its full of discussion of what heaven and hell are like. turns out that in heaven you get a great hair do and wicked nice clothes and in hell....well stuff like suspended by your tongue over a burning lake of fire.

http://www.gnosis.org/library/apocpeter.htm

A history teacher i know averaged out everyone's (Maya, Nostradamus, Inca etc.) end of the world date and it has come out to April 12, 2024
have fun till then
but start trek says we'll meet the vulcans in 2063

Say what?

During some comic event called Age of Apocalypse, Magneto rips Apocalypse in half. Dunno if it's canon or not.

but start trek says we'll meet the vulcans in 2063

Maybe because of star trek (which was in fact someone going back in time to give us that information in video form) time has been altered, and the vulcans are pissed that one of our descendants went back in time and altered the timeline, and are now headed to earth, planning to arive in 2042, and wipe us out.

They're coming! :eek: :D

A history teacher i know averaged out everyone's (Maya, Nostradamus, Inca etc.) end of the world date and it has come out to April 12, 2024


Nostradamus did not predict the end of the world. At all. That's just something which the authors of books with titles like: 'Nostradamus Decoded' made up in an attempt to sell more books.

I'm sure this type of thread has arisen before, but I'm going to go ahead and rehash the subject, as it's one I'm fascinated with and I've yet to see it brought up on NSG. Many of you are aware of the apocalypse, the end times, armageddon...and I'm sure (especially on NSG) these are ideas that are pelted with skepticism and total disbelief. However, I know there are some believers scattered here and there, who can't just very well ignore entire passages from the bible. What are your thoughts? Do you think we're living in the end times now, and if so, why? And if you don't believe we'll see an apocalypse this lifetime, do you think we'll see one eventually? Excuse me if I haven't put a lot of thought into this thread or these questions, as I'm rather tired (it's two in the morning here). I just got done reading all this prophecy stuff online and I'm a little weirded out. My mind's kind of on the fritz, but it'd be mucho appreciated if you guys humored me.

Oh, and this thread will also discuss the total awesomeness of Apocalypse, X-Men villain and destructor.



Will there be an apocolypse? Absolutely. Of that there is no doubt - any physicist can tell you of the heat death of the universe, or the big crunch, or any number of other apocolyptic scenarios.

Are we living in the end times now?

Not hardly.

People have been predicting that for millenia, and they've been wrong 100% of the times (barring the unlikely possibility that we're all dreaming this and the world has ended without our knowledge, or some other such, in which case what difference does it make?)

There are billions of years to go for humanity, provided we don't screw it up, and if we do, then the universe will belong to whatever evolves next.

Are we living in the end times now?

Not hardly.


Well... we could be. All it would take is a meteor. Maybe even a really big volcanic eruption would do it. Sooner or later this planet will be rendered incapable of sustaining human life.
As far as I can see, it's purely a question of whether we've expanded to another planet, and preferably another solar system, when that happens.

Will there be an apocolypse? Absolutely. Of that there is no doubt - any physicist can tell you of the heat death of the universe, or the big crunch, or any number of other apocolyptic scenarios.

Are we living in the end times now?

Not hardly.

People have been predicting that for millenia, and they've been wrong 100% of the times (barring the unlikely possibility that we're all dreaming this and the world has ended without our knowledge, or some other such, in which case what difference does it make?)

There are billions of years to go for humanity, provided we don't screw it up, and if we do, then the universe will belong to whatever evolves next.


Begging your pardon, but you mistake my meaning of "end times". I hardly profess to be a doomsayer chanting 'the end is nigh' while self-flagellating, but technically, as Jesus has come and gone, we are in the "end times". That doesn't mean, necessarily, that we are all about to die. It means that, theologically speaking, we have had our last revelation.

Thus, theologically speaking, God may choose to wipe us out tomorrow...

But I highly doubt it'll be tomorrow. Or this year. Or next year.

It will happen though, at some point. By our own hand, or that of something else, we will die, and that will have been the end, as prophesised.

Not that we'll be around to appreciate the biblical literature and go "oh, yeah, that's what they meant". But I'm confident that, at the end, no one will be able to say "we didn't know..."

Begging your pardon, but you mistake my meaning of "end times". I hardly profess to be a doomsayer chanting 'the end is nigh' while self-flagellating, but technically, as Jesus has come and gone, we are in the "end times". That doesn't mean, necessarily, that we are all about to die. It means that, theologically speaking, we have had our last revelation.

Thus, theologically speaking, God may choose to wipe us out tomorrow...

But I highly doubt it'll be tomorrow. Or this year. Or next year.

It will happen though, at some point. By our own hand, or that of something else, we will die, and that will have been the end, as prophesised.

Not that we'll be around to appreciate the biblical literature and go "oh, yeah, that's what they meant". But I'm confident that, at the end, no one will be able to say "we didn't know..."

Or, is more likely the case based on scientific data, the sun will expand and consume the earth, and if we're still on it, we're baked. If not, well we move somewhere else and either continue to kill each other or die anyway when either the new star we move to burns out/consumes the planet we're on, or we run out of new stars to go to and die in the cold. Then the universe undergoes a heat death.

If we are in the end time it will be of are own doing it will be the beginning of www3 and end in a whole bunch mushroom clouds.The only thing that servives is the cockroach and it it become the dominant life form. That how i see the end times if it ever happens.:sniper:

If we are in the end time it will be of are own doing it will be the beginning of www3 and end in a whole bunch mushroom clouds.The only thing that servives is the cockroach and it it become the dominant life form. That how i see the end times if it ever happens.:sniper:

Post-Apocalypse: Cockroaches in a sea of styrofoam cups and swizzle sticks. Oh, and Keith Richards, crawling out from under all that mess, guitar in hand. "I saw a bright light, and I thought we were on."

Post-Apocalypse: Cockroaches in a sea of styrofoam cups and swizzle sticks. Oh, and Keith Richards, crawling out from under all that mess, guitar in hand. "I saw a bright light, and I thought we were on."

...and Iggy Pop and scorpions might join Keef.

If we are in the end time it will be of are own doing it will be the beginning of www3 and end in a whole bunch mushroom clouds.The only thing that servives is the cockroach and it it become the dominant life form. That how i see the end times if it ever happens.:sniper:

I believe the bible is crap, and we can't trust a word of it, especially when it talks about the end of the world.

That aside, the end days might be soon, if some crazy nuclear shit happens and we go MAD on everyone.

Somebody said something about the Mayan calendar not ending in 2012...I'd like them to expand on that.

Well... we could be. All it would take is a meteor. Maybe even a really big volcanic eruption would do it. Sooner or later this planet will be rendered incapable of sustaining human life.
As far as I can see, it's purely a question of whether we've expanded to another planet, and preferably another solar system, when that happens.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellowstone_National_Park (Volcano)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/433_Eros (Astroid)

Somebody said something about the Mayan calendar not ending in 2012...I'd like them to expand on that.

It will just start a new countdown. It is not the first time it reaches zero ;)

Somebody said something about the Mayan calendar not ending in 2012...I'd like them to expand on that.

Technically, it doesn't mean anything. All it marks is the start of the next era of the calendar.

The last time it happened was in 1613 or some time around that; IIRC, nothing particularly interesting happened then although the Thirty Year's War would start about four years later. That was a pretty rough time for the people of Central Europe, but hardly the end of the world.

Somebody said something about the Mayan calendar not ending in 2012...I'd like them to expand on that.


Wikipedia says all you need to know. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_Long_Count_Calendar#2012_and_the_Long_Count)

Start an apocalypse you say? Well I have a few plans taken from this website
http://qntm.org/destroy

My personal favourite idea is the "Overspin the earth" idea. All we need to do is accelerate the earth's rotation until it breaks apart under the strain. Good idea?

Odin= badass without peer. Neo crossed with Sid Vicious crossed with a third badass component.

Jesus= carpenter.

To be fair, I was making a point (though the posters to whom we are responding I hope were just too drunk or tired to see it). That being, that I regard their Yahweh/Jehovah/whoever with the same disdain that they regard the Norse gods. I don't actually worship Odin or Thor or any of those folks. I just don't give any more credibility to the bible or Christianity than I give them.

And as to which is more fun, obviously the Aesir gods win that.

My whole thing was that I find the Christian notions of apocalypse to be just as fictional as they see Ragnarok as being. And much more silly, since their god is supposed to be omnipotent, none of it has to happen anyway. To me, they're both interesting myths, with the Norse one being a bit moreso.