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http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/03/21/arnold.rush/index.html?eref=rss_latest
SACRAMENTO, California (CNN) -- Call it Round 2 in the battle between Arnold and Rush, although this time the jabs were a little more gentle -- and were thrown head to head, on Limbaugh's radio show.

The feud was launched Tuesday when California Republican Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger called the conservative radio talk show host "irrelevant" on NBC's "Today" show. The comment was in response to Limbaugh's characterization of Schwarzenegger as a "closet liberal."

"I'm not his servant," Schwarzenegger said Tuesday. "I'm the people's servant of California." (Watch Schwarzenegger call Limbaugh "irrelevant" Video)

Wednesday, in a telephone interview on Limbaugh's radio show, Schwarzenegger was asked if he didn't "get a little flustered whenever they throw my name at you." Schwarzenegger sounded anything but flustered.

"I pay very little attention if someone criticizes me or calls me, that I'm turning left, that I'm selling out or whatever," he said. "I have to stay focused on results."

So, Limbaugh asked, "Why are you selling out instead of being the true conservative you are?"

"I'm not selling out," the governor replied. "It's just doing work for the people. ... I can understand where you're coming from ideologically, but when I became governor, I became the people's governor."

Limbaugh countered that "conservatism is the best way to serve the people. Raising the minimum wage is not improving people's lives."

"But I have had hundreds of people come up to me and say it did improve their lives," Schwarzenegger shot back.

Some political observers say the conversation between these two very different Republicans is a perfect metaphor for the state of the GOP.

"The Republicans are divided," said Larry Sabato, a political analyst and professor at the University of Virginia. "They're polarized into two factions that can't agree even on the basics, and it's going to mean that it's much more difficult for Republicans to get elected to the presidency in 2008."

Still, by the time the Limbaugh-Schwarzenegger radio chat had ended, the two had agreed to smoke a stogie together.

Comments: Though I find the end bit annoying, I like that he's taking a stand against the excessive conservative commentary radio that has been going on for far too long in this country. By that I mean the constant disrespect and insulting vitrol directed at any and all political opponents of these conservatives. It's unnecessary and it's got to stop.

I respect Arnold. I have since he took office as governer of California. He's proven that not all actors are bad leaders, which is definitely a good thing.

I think Rush bit off more than her could chew. He forgot that the Govenator a. isn't a man easily intimidated and b. is more than use to dealing with talking heads trying to trip him up.

If he could run for president I'd vote for him.

Arnold is right in my view. He was elected to server the people of California. It sounds to me that is what he is doing. I am glad he stood up for himself like he did.

Governator > Limbaugh.

If he could run for president I'd vote for him.

So would I. Of course, we'd have to put up with neverending Junior and Terminator jokes during his entire reign in office, but that's the price you pay for electing someone known in the public sphere as an actor for thirty odd years.

I respect Arnold. I have since he took office as governer of California. He's proven that not all actors are bad leaders, which is definitely a good thing.

I have to agree. I thought it was all going to be a big joke when he was first elected, but he's actually shown himself to be a good leader. He's made some decisions I don't agree with, but then again, I'm not a Californian - not to mention that you'll never find a politician that fully agrees with me.

One-size fits-all political ideologies don't work if you're trying to get results. Governor Schwarzenegger knows this and it's reflected in his policies, which by and large appear to have benefitted the state of California quite significantly and are clearly supported by the people given his wide, majority margin of victory over his opponents.

Frankly, I'd prefer a politician willing to face the realities of his state and act on what's best than try to stick to a platform and placate the ideological hardliners in his party, no matter what that party is.

One-size fits-all political ideologies don't work if you're trying to get results. Governor Schwarzenegger knows this and it's reflected in his policies, which by and large appear to have benefitted the state of California quite significantly and are clearly supported by the people given his wide, majority margin of victory over his opponents.

Frankly, I'd prefer a politician willing to face the realities of his state and act on what's best than try to stick to a platform and placate the ideological hardliners in his party, no matter what that party is.

Exactly. He's the first politician I've seen that actually does this which is why I respect him so much.

I would really respect Arnold if he tossed Limbaugh's ass through a window. Then again, that would raise my respect level for most anyone.

Limbaugh countered that "conservatism is the best way to serve the people. Raising the minimum wage is not improving people's lives."

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Limbaugh made that comment before going home and getting some Oxycontin from his illegal Mexican housekeeper.

One-size fits-all political ideologies don't work if you're trying to get results. Governor Schwarzenegger knows this and it's reflected in his policies, which by and large appear to have benefitted the state of California quite significantly and are clearly supported by the people given his wide, majority margin of victory over his opponents.

Frankly, I'd prefer a politician willing to face the realities of his state and act on what's best than try to stick to a platform and placate the ideological hardliners in his party, no matter what that party is.

Thing is he tried all that hard line stuff, and even tried to do an end run around the legislature on an almost Bush like assumption of mandate and got his ass handed to him. It caused a severe change in the way Arnold opporated, almost seperating him into pre-measure Arnold and post-measure Arnold. When he beat Angelites (bah, misspelled his name) he ran on his post-measure Arnoldness where he had to reach across the aisle as they say and enact the policies that Rush is so upset about.

I've only spent flying visits to California. Is it as beautiful as people say, or is that a myth?

I have to agree. I thought it was all going to be a big joke when he was first elected, but he's actually shown himself to be a good leader. He's made some decisions I don't agree with, but then again, I'm not a Californian - not to mention that you'll never find a politician that fully agrees with me.
Agreed, its like pulling teeth to agree with some of the other posters on here but there are much much worse out there

Thing is he tried all that hard line stuff, and even tried to do an end run around the legislature on an almost Bush like assumption of mandate and got his ass handed to him. It caused a severe change in the way Arnold opporated, almost seperating him into pre-measure Arnold and post-measure Arnold. When he beat Angelites (bah, misspelled his name) he ran on his post-measure Arnoldness where he had to reach across the aisle as they say and enact the policies that Rush is so upset about.Yep. I'd imagine he's pissed off the Republicans in the state a bit too, as most of them in the Inland Empire are politically akin to Nebraska from what I've been able to gather. He'll probably never be man of the year in San Francisco, but I doubt if he'd be burned in effigy there these days either, which is an improvement if I recall correctly.

I've only spent flying visits to California. Is it as beautiful as people say, or is that a myth?
It's more beautiful. If I could land a gig out there, I'd move back in a heartbeat--to Norcal, that is. I'm not really interested in anything south of Monterey.

I respect the governor, if grudgingly. He's too conservative for me, but I do appreciate the fact that he's more concerned about serving the people than satisfying republican ideologues.

And anybody who pones Rush Limbaugh gets points in my book.

I've only spent flying visits to California. Is it as beautiful as people say, or is that a myth?
Depends on what part of California, but there are sections that are beyond myth and legend and will take your breath away.

Yep. I'd imagine he's pissed off the Republicans in the state a bit too, as most of them in the Inland Empire are politically akin to Nebraska from what I've been able to gather. He'll probably never be man of the year in San Francisco, but I doubt if he'd be burned in effigy there these days either, which is an improvement if I recall correctly.
Yeah, most people even here have come to be at least okay with him. We could do far, far worse for a governor. He's too moderate to dislike all that much.


It's more beautiful. If I could land a gig out there, I'd move back in a heartbeat--to Norcal, that is. I'm not really interested in anything south of Monterey.

*high fives*

Yeah, most people even here have come to be at least okay with him. We could do far, far worse for a governor. He's too moderate to dislike all that much.
Still, you guys provided much, much amusement and entertainment to your next door neighbors during the recall. ;)

Still, you guys provided much, much amusement and entertainment to your next door neighbors during the recall. ;)

Man, that's the only way Arnold got elected, too, was that fiasco. He'd have never survived the rigors of a real election the first time out of the gate, because the rumors of his grabbiness around women are accurate. I know one woman personally who hid during a film shoot because he cornered her in a bathroom. Early 70s, and there wasn't much she could do about it other than avoid him, but those stories that the LA Times ran close to the election were accurate, and in a long campaign would have sunk him. When he ran for re-election, he had a record to run on, so it wasn't an issue anymore.

I've only spent flying visits to California. Is it as beautiful as people say, or is that a myth?

It's beautiful enough that I'd be tempted to move back there if it weren't for the fact that while I was there the sheer humidity of the ocean screwed up my allergies to no end and gave me pneumonia, among other things.

It's more beautiful. If I could land a gig out there, I'd move back in a heartbeat--to Norcal, that is. I'm not really interested in anything south of Monterey.
I'm actually doing a gig at your old gig right now. I like the quirky mascot now that I understand it.

I'm actually doing a gig at your old gig right now. I like the quirky mascot now that I understand it.

The Cardinal? Explain it to me then, 'cuz I never figured that out.

The Cardinal? Explain it to me then, 'cuz I never figured that out.

Apparently it's not the Cardinal, it's Cardinal the color. As it was explained to me, it was to relate somehow to Harvard also being a color, Crimson I believe. I guess I could look it up instead of risking looking stupid, but meh.

Apparently it's not the Cardinal, it's Cardinal the color. As it was explained to me, it was to relate somehow to Harvard also being a color, Crimson I believe. I guess I could look it up instead of risking looking stupid, but meh.

Ahh, the "enemy".... lol

It's more beautiful. If I could land a gig out there, I'd move back in a heartbeat--to Norcal, that is. I'm not really interested in anything south of Monterey.

I've actually spent time in the Pac NW. Journeyman's tip, don't go to spokane.

But the coast and the cascades blew me away.

Ahh, the "enemy".... lol
Hehe, I've always liked that the college of dirty hippies gets the support of its sister college of even dirtier hippies.

Hehe, I've always liked that the college of dirty hippies gets the support of its sister college of even dirtier hippies.

Lol, you mean the college of nerds gets the support of its sister college of more laid back nerds. Well, yeah, there are some hippies.

My unwavering support though probably has to do more with the fact that my family all went to Cal except for a couple who went to other UC's and my aunt, the black sheep of the family who went to 'furd.

I would really respect Arnold if he tossed Limbaugh's ass through a window. Then again, that would raise my respect level for most anyone.

Something is rotten in Denmark... and this time, Hamlet is taking out the trash!

Lol, you mean the college of nerds gets the support of its sister college of more laid back nerds. Well, yeah, there are some hippies.

My unwavering support though probably has to do more with the fact that my family all went to Cal except for a couple who went to other UC's and my aunt, the black sheep of the family who went to 'furd.

You needed to spend more time at Porter...

So would I. Of course, we'd have to put up with neverending Junior and Terminator jokes during his entire reign in office, but that's the price you pay for electing someone known in the public sphere as an actor for thirty odd years.

I'm waiting for a truly great Junior/abortion joke... then I can die a hapy man

It doesn't take a genius to see Arnold isn't a conservative, I voted for the libertarian mostly for Arnolds stance on immigration. I personally hate arnold and regret him ever getting elected. He says he is the peoples gov..Yeah right. He is not mine and I must say my whole family hates him, most of all my gay sister...Who wanted to move when he won a 2nd term.

Limbaugh countered that "conservatism is the best way to serve the people. Raising the minimum wage is not improving people's lives."

"But I have had hundreds of people come up to me and say it did improve their lives," Schwarzenegger shot back.Hahahahahaha :D

Some political observers say the conversation between these two very different Republicans is a perfect metaphor for the state of the GOP.

"The Republicans are divided," said Larry Sabato, a political analyst and professor at the University of Virginia. "They're polarized into two factions that can't agree even on the basics, and it's going to mean that it's much more difficult for Republicans to get elected to the presidency in 2008."I disagree, considering that the Democrats don't really know who they are either. It just means that should they get elected, the Republican party will be that much more ineffective at leading the country.

You needed to spend more time at Porter...

Hey, I live in Porter. But I hang with the metal/punk crowd mostly.

So would I. Of course, we'd have to put up with neverending Junior and Terminator jokes during his entire reign in office, but that's the price you pay for electing someone known in the public sphere as an actor for thirty odd years.The idea of the "Schwarzenegger Library" foreshadowed in Demolition Man scares me, personally...

Something is rotten in Denmark... and this time, Hamlet is taking out the trash!

What's that from? It seems...familiar.

Laerod: Meh...it doesn't really bother me either way...but I honestly don't see the point. Why are we dedicating libraries to all of our Presidents? Waste of space and resources if you ask me.

Thing is he tried all that hard line stuff, and even tried to do an end run around the legislature on an almost Bush like assumption of mandate and got his ass handed to him. It caused a severe change in the way Arnold opporated, almost seperating him into pre-measure Arnold and post-measure Arnold. When he beat Angelites (bah, misspelled his name) he ran on his post-measure Arnoldness where he had to reach across the aisle as they say and enact the policies that Rush is so upset about.
This sounds about like what I remember. All in all though, I don't think he's been a bad governor.

I've only spent flying visits to California. Is it as beautiful as people say, or is that a myth?
California is gorgeous. There's something here for everyone.

Apparently it's not the Cardinal, it's Cardinal the color. As it was explained to me, it was to relate somehow to Harvard also being a color, Crimson I believe. I guess I could look it up instead of risking looking stupid, but meh.
Yep, the colour, not the bird. It was chosen as a team colour back when Stanford was the Indians, and even after that mascot was dropped and the teams were officially the Cardinals, it referred to the colour (not the bird, despite the plural form). Now it's just the Cardinal, singular. I still like the name Robber Barons though, which is one of the names suggested a few decades ago. Yeah, I'm a big nerd. Or my former roommate is, she's the one who wrote a paper on the subject.

If he could run for president I'd vote for him.

So would I. Of course, we'd have to put up with neverending Junior and Terminator jokes during his entire reign in office, but that's the price you pay for electing someone known in the public sphere as an actor for thirty odd years.

The only trouble with that, guys, is that he would bring along the Republican Party, the party of Karl Rove and Cheney and Ann Coulter and Rush and Tom Delay. All those Neo-Cons you can't stand would be up there shouting their triumph and they'd expect to be paid off with cabinet posts and appointments and legislation. No, I can't in good conscience encourage even an apparently moderate Republican as Arnold. Now, if he'd like to abandon the Dark Side and become a Democrat, that would be a different story.

The only trouble with that, guys, is that he would bring along the Republican Party, the party of Karl Rove and Cheney and Ann Coulter and Rush and Tom Delay. All those Neo-Cons you can't stand would be up there shouting their triumph and they'd expect to be paid off with cabinet posts and appointments and legislation. No, I can't in good conscience encourage even an apparently moderate Republican as Arnold. Now, if he'd like to abandon the Dark Side and become a Democrat, that would be a different story.

There is that problem, though unlike my fellow Coloradan here I would not exactly find him being a Democrat an improvement. Perhaps if he were an independent...it's a nice dream, isn't it? Of course in a world where an immigrant can run for President of the United States an Independent could probably win, so you never know.

I think Rush bit off more than her could chew. He forgot that the Govenator a. isn't a man easily intimidated and b. is more than use to dealing with talking heads trying to trip him up.

Too true. People underestimate his intelligence due to his simple word structures and accent. Let's not forget that he's a 'Kennedy'. :p

Limbaugh made that comment before going home and getting some Oxycontin from his illegal Mexican housekeeper.

YAY! :D

Too true. People underestimate his intelligence due to his simple word structures and accent. Let's not forget that he's a 'Kennedy'. :p
And can toss pundits out windows if he so desires.

There is that problem, though unlike my fellow Coloradan here I would not exactly find him being a Democrat an improvement. Perhaps if he were an independent...it's a nice dream, isn't it? Of course in a world where an immigrant can run for President of the United States an Independent could probably win, so you never know.

Arnold as an Independent, yeah, I could get behind that. And as long as we're redrawing the Universe ... well, we'll not go there, that'll hijack the thread.

Arnold as an Independent, yeah, I could get behind that. And as long as we're redrawing the Universe ... well, we'll not go there, that'll hijack the thread.

Legal gay marriage, of course.

You know, we'd have that if it weren't for the rabid conservatively religious base in this country. A large portion of the anti-gay Republicans would be pro-gay otherwise. It's a disgusting reason for why super-parties are horrible.

And can toss pundits out windows if he so desires.

Lord knows I would. ;)

Hey, I live in Porter. But I hang with the metal/punk crowd mostly.

I lived at Kresge. We probably passed each other dozens of times and never knew...

Legal gay marriage, of course.

You know, we'd have that if it weren't for the rabid conservatively religious base in this country. A large portion of the anti-gay Republicans would be pro-gay otherwise. It's a disgusting reason for why super-parties are horrible.
Well, Arnold had his chance at that, didn't he? The legislature passed a same-sex marriage act I believe, and I think he vetoed it.

Well, Arnold had his chance at that, didn't he? The legislature passed a same-sex marriage act I believe, and I think he vetoed it.

I'll bet you it's for no other reason than the bloody base. Again, I tell you, American Super-Parties are bad bad bad bad bad. You should really split the Republican and the Democratic parties into three parties each at the very least.

I lived at Kresge. We probably passed each other dozens of times and never knew...

How recently did you leave?

How recently did you leave?

I finished the graduate thing in 2005.

I'll bet you it's for no other reason than the bloody base. Again, I tell you, American Super-Parties are bad bad bad bad bad. You should really split the Republican and the Democratic parties into three parties each at the very least.

Yes, but I think that'd only happen if we had proportional representation rather than winner takes all.

Ideally, we'd have several major parties that would form coalitions based on issues and each be concerned mainly with a particular area. For example, the Greens would obviously be most concerned with environmental issues.

Yes, but I think that'd only happen if we had proportional representation rather than winner takes all.

Ideally, we'd have several major parties that would form coalitions based on issues and each be concerned mainly with a particular area. For example, the Greens would obviously be most concerned with environmental issues.
That'd be fine with me. The more I hear about proportional representation and parliamentary systems the more I like it...them...ithem.

That'd be fine with me. The more I hear about proportional representation and parliamentary systems the more I like it...them...ithem.

I'm completely in favor of it, proportional representation seems much more democratic to me.

What's that from? It seems...familiar.

Last Action Hero, in a commercial parody scene featuring Ahnuld as Hamlet. And in a key moment he's throwing one of the conspirators out through a window. The quote was all too appropriate.

:D

Yay for the Governator!

I suppose some people will use this as an excuse to paint California as "liberal" still. Pfah.

Yay for the Governator!

I suppose some people will use this as an excuse to paint California as "liberal" still. Pfah.

Yeah, while failing to see that the governor is still a Republican, he's just a practical one. It's not to say that there are no hardcore conservatives in this state, just that the moderate to extreme liberals have enough of an edge so that if you try to please the Republican base rather than the whole state or at least the moderates of both sides, you will lose every time.

I'm completely in favor of it, proportional representation seems much more democratic to me.
It certainly does...frankly I'm surprised we didn't set up a system like that in the U.S. to begin with.

Question is, would it be possible for us to alter our system of government it one with proportional representation?

Last Action Hero, in a commercial parody scene featuring Ahnuld as Hamlet. And in a key moment he's throwing one of the conspirators out through a window. The quote was all too appropriate.

:D

Oh that's right...now I remember...

Schwarzeneggar in the white house... i'd vote for him. The likes of Letterman, Ferguson, Leno, Stewart etc etc would be happy, the jokes would be writing themselves for 4/8 years. Not that theres anything wrong Arnie...but the name...and certain amusing movie roles...

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/03/21/arnold.rush/index.html?eref=rss_latest
SACRAMENTO, California (CNN) -- Call it Round 2 in the battle between Arnold and Rush, although this time the jabs were a little more gentle -- and were thrown head to head, on Limbaugh's radio show.

The feud was launched Tuesday when California Republican Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger called the conservative radio talk show host "irrelevant" on NBC's "Today" show. The comment was in response to Limbaugh's characterization of Schwarzenegger as a "closet liberal."

"I'm not his servant," Schwarzenegger said Tuesday. "I'm the people's servant of California." (Watch Schwarzenegger call Limbaugh "irrelevant" Video)

Wednesday, in a telephone interview on Limbaugh's radio show, Schwarzenegger was asked if he didn't "get a little flustered whenever they throw my name at you." Schwarzenegger sounded anything but flustered.

"I pay very little attention if someone criticizes me or calls me, that I'm turning left, that I'm selling out or whatever," he said. "I have to stay focused on results."

So, Limbaugh asked, "Why are you selling out instead of being the true conservative you are?"

"I'm not selling out," the governor replied. "It's just doing work for the people. ... I can understand where you're coming from ideologically, but when I became governor, I became the people's governor."

Limbaugh countered that "conservatism is the best way to serve the people. Raising the minimum wage is not improving people's lives."

"But I have had hundreds of people come up to me and say it did improve their lives," Schwarzenegger shot back.

Some political observers say the conversation between these two very different Republicans is a perfect metaphor for the state of the GOP.

"The Republicans are divided," said Larry Sabato, a political analyst and professor at the University of Virginia. "They're polarized into two factions that can't agree even on the basics, and it's going to mean that it's much more difficult for Republicans to get elected to the presidency in 2008."

Still, by the time the Limbaugh-Schwarzenegger radio chat had ended, the two had agreed to smoke a stogie together.

Comments: Though I find the end bit annoying, I like that he's taking a stand against the excessive conservative commentary radio that has been going on for far too long in this country. By that I mean the constant disrespect and insulting vitrol directed at any and all political opponents of these conservatives. It's unnecessary and it's got to stop.

I respect Arnold. I have since he took office as governer of California. He's proven that not all actors are bad leaders, which is definitely a good thing.

Rush Limbaugh just got OWNED! (http://rush.limbaugh.justgotowned.com)

Rush Limbaugh just got OWNED! (http://rush.limbaugh.justgotowned.com)

That is astonishingly obnoxious.

That is astonishingly obnoxious.

Well, if the shoe fits...