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Race War in USA

Nova Magna Germania
21-03-2007, 23:40
Yeah, there are violence everywhere. I know but reading these kinda stories still make you angry. They were emailed me today. "Race war in LA" was in the Guardian article, seeing the Beverly Park article, I extended it to US, to make the title get more attention.

What the fuck is wrong with these people? Killing a 14 yo black girl and beating up a 14 yo white boy for no reason??? We are supposed to be in the 21st century! Do you think these stuff will get better or worse as time passes?



Gang mayhem grips LA


A bloody conflict between Hispanic and black gangs is spreading across Los Angeles. Hundreds are dying as whole districts face the threat of ethnic cleansing. Paul Harris reports from the epicentre of America's new urban warfare

Sunday March 18, 2007
The Observer

Father Greg Boyle keeps a grim count of the young gang members he has buried. Number 151 was Jonathan Hurtado, 18 - fresh out of jail. Now the kindly, bearded Jesuit mourns him. 'The day he got out I found him a job. He never missed a day. He was doing really well,' Boyle says.

But Hurtado made a mistake: he went back to his old neighbourhood in east Los Angeles. While sitting in a park, Hurtado was approached by a man on a bike who said to him: 'Hey, homie, what's up?' He then shot Hurtado four times. 'You can't come back. Not even for a visit,' says Boyle, who has worked for two decades against LA's gang culture.

Boyle's Los Angeles, where daily slaughter is a grim reality, is a world away from the glamorous Hollywood hills, Malibu beaches and Sunset Strip - the celebrity-drenched city that David Beckham and Posh Spice will soon make their home.

Boyle's Los Angeles is where an estimated 120,000 gang members across five counties battle over turf, pride and drugs. It is a city of violence as a new race war escalates between new Hispanic gangs and older black groups, each trying to ethnically cleanse the other. Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, who has referred to his city as 'the gang capital of America', has launched a crackdown on the new threat.

The latest front is the tiny strip of turf known as Harbor Gateway, a nest of streets between malls and office blocks. It was here, just before Christmas, that Cheryl Green, a 14-year-old fond of junk food and television, died. At school she had just written a poem beginning: 'I am black and beautiful. I wonder how I shall live in the future.' She never found out. As she stood on a corner talking with friends, two Hispanic members of the neighbourhood's notorious 204th Street gang walked up and opened fire, killing Green and wounding three others. They were targeted because they were black. Traditionally the outside view of LA gangs has been of black youths like the Bloods and the Crips and their countless subsets. It focused on the streets of Compton and South-Central and the culture of gangsta rap. But Hispanic gangs are in the ascendant, spreading across America.

They have names such as Mara Salvatrucha, La Mirada Locos and Barrio Van Nuys, and now the 204th Street gang - who made it clear that they will kill innocent girls to force black families off their turf.

Last year there were 269 gang-related killings in LA. Gang-related crime leaped 15.7 per cent last year, as most other types of crime fell. Hate crimes against black people have surged. With a rapidly growing Hispanic population, LA's gang culture is shifting. It means that being black in the wrong neighbourhood can get you killed.

Green's murder was the latest in a line of killings by the 204th Street gang. In 1997, 11-year-old Marquis Wilbert was killed on his bike. In 2001, Robert Hightower, 19, was killed. In 2003, Eric Butler, 39, was shot dead trying to protect his daughter from being harassed. There are streets that blacks have been forbidden to cross.

Green's death brought the gang war between 'brown and black' to public awareness. Next week a summit will be held called the Black and Brown Strategy Meeting which aims to head off a race war. 'All of the signs are there that a racial war is going to explode in this city,' says Khalid Shah, director of Stop the Violence, one of the groups organising the meeting. Memories of the 1992 Rodney King riots, which claimed 53 lives, remain fresh, but Shah believes that worse is ahead. 'It will be 10 times bigger than what happened after King. You are looking at an event which could not only paralyse an entire city but an entire state,' he warns.

Green's death sparked Villaraigosa's crackdown. The police took the unprecedented step of publishing a list of the 11 worst gangs, including 204th Street. They vowed to go after them with police, FBI agents and injunctions to prevent members meeting. An extra 50 police were assigned to anti-gang duties in San Fernando Valley. In south LA, a team of 120 detectives and 10 FBI agents has been set up. An extra 18 officers have been put into Harbor Gateway. But Angelenos have seen it all before. The city's history is littered with anti-gang initiatives, and what the new effort shows is just how widespread the gangs have become. They have spread into the San Fernando Valley, an area previously famed for suburban prosperity. Last year one area of the north Valley saw a 160 per cent rise in gang crime.

Publishing the 'hit list' could backfire. In the warped gang sub-culture, being on the list is a badge of pride. The lesson of the 204th Street gang seems apt. They number only a few dozen members in a tiny strip of city that was open fields half a century ago, but killing blacks has propelled them from obscurity to enviable notoriety.

'Putting out a list was a bad idea. Groups that don't make the list will want to be on it. They don't exactly think rationally,' said Alex Alonso, a gang historian who has testified in more than 100 court cases.

Yet there is hope. Alfonso 'Chino' Visuet, 23, was sucked into the gang life as a teenager. There was the lure of excitement and riches, the push of a difficult home life. 'People who join a gang are always running away from something. They flee to the gang,' Visuet says.

Visuet is not running any more. He works for Father Boyle's Homeboy Industries (homeboy-industries.org), a project that helps people leave gang life. It provides jobs, an education, pays to have gang tattoos removed and gives counselling. It aims to remove the circumstances that lead to crime: poverty, abuse and unemployment. It is staffed almost entirely by former gang members and has spun off a bakery, a silk-screen printers and a restaurant. 'You have to address the lethal absence of hope. I have never seen a hopeful person join a gang,' Boyle says.

It worked for Visuet. He starts college this autumn and wants to be a probation officer. 'I was on the edge of doing something that would ruin my life, either by doing violence or having it done to me. That's over now,' he says.

For the moment it is organisations like Homeboy Industries that pick up the slack. Father Boyle has a catchphrase: 'Nothing stops a bullet like a job.' But that can be a hard message to get across in a city whose political classes see gangs as primarily a police issue. That is not the way it is on the street.

Visuet despairs at the conflict. 'A brown gang member now just sees a black gang member. What they don't see is how that person comes from the same place they do. They might have a mother who is an alcoholic as well or a father who beats on them. They have the same story,' he says.

Boyle and others have mixed feelings about the crackdown. The road to LA's problems is littered with failed plans and policing, and incompetence. Over the past decade the main anti-gang scheme, LA Bridges, has spent more than $100m yet keeps no record of whether those it helps leave gang life or return to it.

Then there is political scheming. The list of 11 gangs, critics say, was drawn up deliberately to present a 'balance' by covering the whole city. Politicians use the presence of a high-profile gang to act tough on law and order and police chiefs use it as a way of upping manpower. 'It is a ridiculous list,' says Alonso.

LA is a city of two worlds - Hollywood and gangs. On a two-lane highway that roars through the middle of Harbor Gateway, a few hundred yards from where Cheryl Green was gunned down, there is a billboard for a new TV show called Sons of Hollywood. It shows three rich young men against a backdrop of palm trees. It claims to be a 'reality' show, but for most of the impoverished, racially torn citizens it is nothing more than a fantasy.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,2036580,00.html


Beaten Beverly boy testifies

March 20, 2007
By Chris Hack Staff writer

Ryan Rusch, the 14-year-old boy brutally beaten in Beverly Park last summer, testified Monday he doesn't remember anything between seeing a group of three boys approaching him from behind and waking in a hospital bed four days later.

The diminutive eighth-grader -- who'd had three heart valve-replacement surgeries before the July 16 attack -- took the witness stand in the trial of the only one of three suspects in the case to be charged as an adult.

Micha Eatman, 18, faces charges of attempted murder, aggravated battery and robbery. Eatman waived his right to a jury trial and decided to have his case heard by Circuit Judge Joseph Kazmierski.

A half-dozen residents of Chicago's Beverly community were called to testify about what happened on the scorching summer afternoon in the park near 102nd Street and Maplewood Avenue.

Rusch, who was walking through the park to get to a cousin's house, said he initially was approached by a group of three boys sharing two bikes. They asked what he was up to and then went their own way.

An off-duty Chicago police officer driving through the area watched the encounter and asked Rusch what the boys had wanted; Rusch said they hadn't bothered him, and he continued on his way. But Rusch's cousin wasn't home, and he soon was tracing his steps back through the park.

Neighborhood resident Sean Coleman, 18, testified he had just hopped into a friend's car outside his house when he noticed the same three boys making their way back toward the park. Coleman and his buddy tailed the teens and watched as they eventually started following Rusch.

"We pulled over just to see what they were going to do," Coleman said. "It was quite a distance, but they were on bikes, and (Rusch) was walking. They were getting closer."

"You guys thought there might be trouble with three black kids in the park, so you kept an eye on them, correct?" defense attorney Steve Greenberg said.

"Right," Coleman replied.

As retired high school teacher Tom Joyce was walking his greyhound through the park, he passed Rusch and soon afterward, the trio of boys behind him.

"It just didn't seem kosher -- three fellows on two bikes," Joyce said, explaining why he turned a few moments later to check on Rusch. "I was worried about the little fellow because he was quite a bit smaller.

"And when I turned, it had already happened: He was down."

Rusch said he had become increasingly worried as the boys he'd run in to minutes before started following him. As they closed in, they hopped off their bikes.

"I turned my head, then I turned my head again -- and that's all I remember," Rusch said.

Joyce, 62, said he ran screaming across a football field in the park as one of the three boys continued kicking Rusch in the head. Current college freshman Tom Harrington Jr. was tossing a football around in the park with a buddy when he saw the commotion and also ran toward the scene.

Joyce starting tending to Rusch -- who was covered in blood, convulsing violently and foaming at the mouth -- while Harrington and his football pal ran after the three assailants.

Harrington said they followed the trio across Western Avenue and soon were joined in the chase by an acquaintance in a car and the off-duty cop who had talked to Rusch earlier. The group eventually caught one of the suspects, who later was charged in the case as a juvenile, near 99th Street and Prospect Avenue.

Meanwhile, Rusch was rushed to Christ Medical Center in Oak Lawn in the throes of violent seizures. Inside the ambulance, paramedic Patrick O'Connell said, it took three men to hold down Rusch so an IV could be administered.

Rusch, who's just over 5 feet tall and weighs about 100 pounds, said he suffered a broken nose in the attack and has lost peripheral vision in his right eye. He spent 10 days in the hospital -- the first few in a coma -- and nearly a month afterward in rehabilitation.

Testimony in Eatman's trial is scheduled to resume Wednesday. The two juveniles charged in the case are awaiting trial.

http://www.dailysouthtown.com/news/304456,201NWS1.article
Pyotr
21-03-2007, 23:45
This really doesn't surprise me, humans are naturally brutal, vicious, and murderous evil beings.
Andaras Prime
21-03-2007, 23:46
Correction: Class War in USA
Nova Magna Germania
21-03-2007, 23:49
Correction: Class War in USA

No.
Andaras Prime
21-03-2007, 23:52
No.

Lol, so your saying socio-economic conditions have absolutely nothing to do with this, pleeease...
Nova Magna Germania
21-03-2007, 23:54
Lol, so your saying socio-economic conditions have absolutely nothing to do with this, pleeease...

Socio-economic reasons also have something to do with Global Warming. But we dont call it class pollution.
Soheran
21-03-2007, 23:55
Lol, so your saying socio-economic conditions have absolutely nothing to do with this, pleeease...

"A race (or at least gang) war caused by the class system" and a "class war" are vastly different things.
Drunk commies deleted
21-03-2007, 23:55
Correction: Class War in USA

Neither of those two articles mentioned anything about class. It's just fucking crime. It's neither class war or race war.
Drunk commies deleted
21-03-2007, 23:56
Lol, so your saying socio-economic conditions have absolutely nothing to do with this, pleeease...

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/class+war
Andaluciae
21-03-2007, 23:57
Neither of those two articles mentioned anything about class. It's just fucking crime. It's neither class war or race war.

QFT

It's bullshit if you stick the word 'war' behind it. This is just garden variety thuggery the LAPD can easily handle.
The Psyker
21-03-2007, 23:58
Neither of those two articles mentioned anything about class. It's just fucking crime. It's neither class war or race war.

I don't know you could probably make a case for the first article since that seems to be motivated by race to an extent.
Nova Magna Germania
21-03-2007, 23:58
I don't know you could probably make a case for the first article since that seems to be motivated by race to an extent.

And second article isnt?
Nova Magna Germania
22-03-2007, 00:00
QFT

It's bullshit if you stick the word 'war' behind it. This is just garden variety thuggery the LAPD can easily handle.

*cough*

"Boyle's Los Angeles is where an estimated 120,000 gang members across five counties battle over turf, pride and drugs."

120 000!!!!!!!
IL Ruffino
22-03-2007, 00:00
This thread fails.
The Psyker
22-03-2007, 00:04
And second article isnt?

Nothing in the article seemed to sugest that it was motivated by race so no.
Christmahanikwanzikah
22-03-2007, 00:05
you cant really make a "race" case against the first one, either. i mean, its LA. for crying out loud, its LA. there are gangs of all kinds running around the joint. i mean, sure, you can say that there are racial tensions between hispanics and blacks and try to relate that to gang warfare...

but to say that gang warfare is based solely on race? thats just plain uninformed.
Nova Magna Germania
22-03-2007, 00:05
Nothing in the article seemed to sugest that it was motivated by race so no.

What else was it motivated by? There is no rubbery or something like that.
South Lizasauria
22-03-2007, 00:07
Yeah, there are violence everywhere. I know but reading these kinda stories still make you angry. They were emailed me today. "Race war in LA" was in the Guardian article, seeing the Beverly Park article, I extended it to US, to make the title get more attention.

What the fuck is wrong with these people? Killing a 14 yo black girl and beating up a 14 yo white boy for no reason??? We are supposed to be in the 21st century! Do you think these stuff will get better or worse as time passes?



http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,2036580,00.html


http://www.dailysouthtown.com/news/304456,201NWS1.article

*Draws a swastika on the part of my globe with Los Angeles on it*

Which other US places have nazis in them?
Nova Magna Germania
22-03-2007, 00:08
you cant really make a "race" case against the first one, either. i mean, its LA. for crying out loud, its LA. there are gangs of all kinds running around the joint. i mean, sure, you can say that there are racial tensions between hispanics and blacks and try to relate that to gang warfare...

but to say that gang warfare is based solely on race? thats just plain uninformed.

Try this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/17/us/17race.html?ei=5090&en=a34ac77e3d9a409f&ex=1326690000&partner=r&pagewanted=print
Christmahanikwanzikah
22-03-2007, 00:11
Try this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/17/us/17race.html?ei=5090&en=a34ac77e3d9a409f&ex=1326690000&partner=r&pagewanted=print

okay, thats a gang of latinos not engaged in gang warfare with other criminals. this article is racially motivated; your first two arent.

if you want to make any sort of claim as to a "race war in usa," use articles that make a direct inference to racial bias and racial tension, like this one.
The Psyker
22-03-2007, 00:12
What else was it motivated by? There is no rubbery or something like that.Assholes need to have motives?
Nova Magna Germania
22-03-2007, 00:13
okay, thats a gang of latinos not engaged in gang warfare with other criminals. this article is racially motivated; your first two arent.

if you want to make any sort of claim as to a "race war in usa," use articles that make a direct inference to racial bias and racial tension, like this one.

Guardian article and NY Times article were talking about the same 14 yo.
Christmahanikwanzikah
22-03-2007, 00:13
*Draws a swastika on the part of my globe with Los Angeles on it*

Which other US places have nazis in them?

... wait, what?!
Greater Trostia
22-03-2007, 00:14
I think NMG's main point of this thread is to highlight and emphasize his own racist tendencies.

He's aiming at "those dirty nonwhites! barbarians!" but can't come out and say it.

Needless to say, there is no "war" occuring in LA, and I oughtta know a bit better than some scaremongering racists who've never even been here.
Christmahanikwanzikah
22-03-2007, 00:18
disregard my other statement about newspapers and racial war. because, upon further dissection:

The Latino gang members were looking for a black person, any black person, to shoot, the police said, and they found one...

which the police said followed a confrontation between the gang members and a black man...
South Lizasauria
22-03-2007, 00:22
... wait, what?!

They're acting like nazis. Only their hatred is against hispanics or blacks if we're reffering to the hispanic gangs. Their actions relate to nazism, they killed people just because they weren't Aryan, and now these bastards are killing kids just because of ethnicity. All this should have been history after the end of WWII and here we are dealing with the same shit only from different bastards. And ironically its in the US, the land which fought to stop this behavior half a century earlier in the first place.
Nova Magna Germania
22-03-2007, 00:26
I think NMG's main point of this thread is to highlight and emphasize his own racist tendencies.

He's aiming at "those dirty nonwhites! barbarians!" but can't come out and say it.

Needless to say, there is no "war" occuring in LA, and I oughtta know a bit better than some scaremongering racists who've never even been here.

Reported for flame.
Andaras Prime
22-03-2007, 00:44
Reported for flame.

lol, reporting flame on nsg
Pyotr
22-03-2007, 00:54
Reported for flame.

Wow.
New Genoa
22-03-2007, 01:01
Race War's on everybody! It's going down! Shit is going down!
New Genoa
22-03-2007, 01:03
Correction: Class War in USA

Yesterday the middle class managed to assault the upper class fortress at Boston. They destroyed our onagers but we scaled the walls and took the city. Millions died.
CthulhuFhtagn
22-03-2007, 02:21
Yesterday the middle class managed to assault the upper class fortress at Boston. They destroyed our onagers but we scaled the walls and took the city. Millions died.

Heh. Awesome.
South Lizasauria
22-03-2007, 03:05
Yesterday the middle class managed to assault the upper class fortress at Boston. They destroyed our onagers but we scaled the walls and took the city. Millions died.

LOL
Dukarbana
22-03-2007, 03:30
Another event caused by the corrupt masses of the United States.
Jocabia
22-03-2007, 04:17
Race war? I don't see how a couple of examples of racism means there will be a race war. This stuff is nothing compared to the widespread racism fifty years ago.
Pepe Dominguez
22-03-2007, 04:47
Race War's on everybody! It's going down! Shit is going down!

Hah. Cartman's great. :p

On a serious note, the term "race war" is pretty accurate in describing the whole black/hispanic thing going on in L.A. County and in prisons across the state.. a friend of mine works for the L.A. County district attorney's office and, judging by his stories, it's basically that simple. Thank God I live a mile East of the county line.. nothing ever goes wrong in San Bernadino County.. ;)
Proggresica
22-03-2007, 05:30
Socio-economic reasons also have something to do with Global Warming. But we dont call it class pollution.

Umm... Okay.
Zexaland
22-03-2007, 07:31
*cough*

"Boyle's Los Angeles is where an estimated 120,000 gang members across five counties battle over turf, pride and drugs."

120 000!!!!!!!

"Vegeta! What does the scouter say about LA's gang membership level?"
UnHoly Smite
22-03-2007, 08:33
I live near LA, there is violence all over the place and some racial tension. It's not a race war, but if something isn't done to fix problems it could become one. There have been racial conflicts after the mayor was elected, it would be wise to pay attention to it.
Bubabalu
22-03-2007, 17:54
Race war? I don't see how a couple of examples of racism means there will be a race war. This stuff is nothing compared to the widespread racism fifty years ago.

This is reall no different than the mafia turf wars years ago. In the 60's and 70's you had the fights, mostly in New York area with the Mafia gangs fighting for control of the drug market that was being established. Which is no different than the mafia wars in the 50's when they were establishing the gambling markets, or the 20's during the era of prohibition.

And lets not forget the 80's, when the mob was involved in the turf wars when the cocaine market was being established.

All the mob wars are the same, fighting over turf/market protection. The only big difference is that the mafia has learned to operate as a business. True, we are seeing some integrations of the several gangs, they have just not learned to make it a business enterprise like the mafia.

Vic
Lunatic Goofballs
22-03-2007, 18:03
You know what we need?

A Musical! 'East Side Story' FTW! :D
Big Jim P
22-03-2007, 18:37
You know what we need?

A Musical! 'East Side Story' FTW! :D

*sings poorly*

"I kissed a girl named Maria"

:D
F1 Insanity
22-03-2007, 19:03
Yeah, there are violence everywhere. I know but reading these kinda stories still make you angry. They were emailed me today. "Race war in LA" was in the Guardian article, seeing the Beverly Park article, I extended it to US, to make the title get more attention.

What the fuck is wrong with these people? Killing a 14 yo black girl and beating up a 14 yo white boy for no reason??? We are supposed to be in the 21st century! Do you think these stuff will get better or worse as time passes?



but but but, the liberals (democrats) have political control in LA, surely this kind of thing only happens in the south where whites still lynch blacks?

/sarcasm
Greater Trostia
22-03-2007, 19:07
but but but, the liberals (democrats)

I suppose you think republicans are conservative too.
F1 Insanity
22-03-2007, 19:09
I suppose you think republicans are conservative too.

I know for a fact most are not. Bush certainly isn't conservative. He's pro illegal immigrant, pro big spending etc...
Greater Trostia
22-03-2007, 19:12
I know for a fact most are not. Bush certainly isn't conservative. He's pro illegal immigrant, pro big spending etc...

So what makes you think Democrats are "liberal?"

As a country we really need to move away from this us versus them mentality, where you're either "liberal" (according to some half-assed definition) or "conservative" (again) or "left" or "right."

Maybe we could actually get a real third party, but not until people stop thinking that if not X, Y.
Lunatic Goofballs
22-03-2007, 19:35
*sings poorly*

"I kissed a girl named Maria"

:D

*throws guacamole at you* :p