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BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Iraqi insurgents used two children as cover to get through a checkpoint in Baghdad and then blew up the car while the kids were still inside, a U.S. general said Tuesday.

The car went through a checkpoint Sunday and parked by a market across the street from a school, said Maj. Gen. Michael Barbero, deputy director for regional operations in the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Two adults jumped from the car, leaving the children in the back. Moments later, the car exploded, witnesses said. (Watch Barbero describe how insurgents are interested only in slaughter )

The two children and three bystanders died in the blast, and seven others were hurt, Pentagon officials said.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/03/20/iraq.main/index.html

These people are just going to piss off the Iraqis more if the insurgency continues to do this.

Your flag waving buddy already had a thread on this.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/03/20/iraq.main/index.html

These people are just going to piss off the Iraqis more if the insurgency continues to do this.

Watch it, you're starting to say disparaging things about our peace-loving Muslim friends. Remember, there is nothing that a Muslim could possibly do to deserve a comment that could be considered critical.

Actually this is the third thread on this very article.

No-its going to piss everyone off that we are MAKING them do this. :rolleyes:

Attention: In case you just got off the shuttle from La-La land, I am being sarcastic.

Watch it, you're starting to say disparaging things about our peace-loving Muslim friends. Remember, there is nothing that a Muslim could possibly do to deserve a comment that could be considered critical.

Well, as one of those who cries out "bad apple" whenever you hear the words "Abu Ghraib", you shouldn't cast stones. You can't have your cake and eat it too, if the Abu Ghraib rapists aren't representatives of the soldiers, neither are the terrorists representatives of the muslims.

No-its going to piss everyone off that we are MAKING them do this. :rolleyes:

How one can make people use children in this way is beyond me. Nice try, though. :rolleyes:

No-its going to piss everyone off that we are MAKING them do this. :rolleyes:

Because the US military is so bored that it runs around handing out car-bomb making kits to Iraqi's (and the assorted people running across the border.

How one can make people use children in this way is beyond me. Nice try, though. :rolleyes:

I was being sarcastic. You have to know that.

I was being sarcastic. You have to know that.

Sorry, to be honest, I missed the sarcasm, probably because I'm so used to hearing on NSG that everything from terrorism to famine to explosive diarrhea is the fault of the US. My apologies, CL.

Sorry, to be honest, I missed the sarcasm, probably because I'm so used to hearing on NSG that everything from terrorism to famine to explosive diarrhea is the fault of the US. My apologies, CL.

Well occasionaly it has been...except maybe for the explosive diaorrhea...And even then, I remember once Bush meeting Ariel Sharon and yammering on about their 'shared culture of life' - that did make me puke so much I nearly shit myself....

Well occasionaly it has been...except maybe for the explosive diaorrhea...And even then, I remember once Bush meeting Ariel Sharon and yammering on about their 'shared culture of life' - that did make me puke so much I nearly shit myself....

Damn, I wish you had. You might've imploded.

Damn, I wish you had. You might've imploded.


Lifes just a pisser when people won't do what you hoped they would. I'd say Vietnam and Iraq fall in that category too...

Sorry, to be honest, I missed the sarcasm, probably because I'm so used to hearing on NSG that everything from terrorism to famine to explosive diarrhea is the fault of the US. My apologies, CL.

No problem. I thought that little green head would have made it clear, but I'm not really a good forum-er.

I wonder if Eve and Corny who also posted this article (now posted 3 time here on NSG...the third person made it clear it was not posted to make a political statement) are as concerned about the use of child soldiers in conflict as they make out.

It seems to me that they are using the deaths of these kids to make a political point is as revolting as their slaying. Yet I have rarely heard them make mention of the use of children in other conflicts.

I wonder if Eve and Corny who also posted this article (now posted 3 time here on NSG...the third person made it clear it was not posted to make a political statement) are as concerned about the use of child soldiers in conflict as they make out.

It seems to me that they are using the deaths of these kids to make a political point is as revolting as their slaying. Yet I have rarely heard them make mention of the use of children in other conflicts.
Of course not, it wouldn't reflect well upon the peace-loving people of Iran, in this case. From (http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=20060424&s=kuntzel042406) the New Republic...

uring the Iran-Iraq War, the Ayatollah Khomeini imported 500,000 small plastic keys from Taiwan. The trinkets were meant to be inspirational. After Iraq invaded in September 1980, it had quickly become clear that Iran's forces were no match for Saddam Hussein's professional, well-armed military. To compensate for their disadvantage, Khomeini sent Iranian children, some as young as twelve years old, to the front lines. There, they marched in formation across minefields toward the enemy, clearing a path with their bodies. Before every mission, one of the Taiwanese keys would be hung around each child's neck. It was supposed to open the gates to paradise for them.

Lifes just a pisser when people won't do what you hoped they would. I'd say Vietnam and Iraq fall in that category too...

Y'know, I'm sick of people trying to compare the two. Check the difference in casualties, genius.

Of course not, it wouldn't reflect well upon the peace-loving people of Iran, in this case. From (http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=20060424&s=kuntzel042406) the New Republic...

This makes no sense to me. Sorry Myrmidonisia...can you elaborate?

It seems to me that they are using the deaths of these kids to make a political point is as revolting as their slaying. Yet I have rarely heard them make mention of the use of children in other conflicts.

Thats totally reasonable-make an assumption as to their true intentions, make it as bad as actually using children for this purpose,then fault them for not having a history of defending children that you're aware of.

Any idea how insane this is? Just being so deperately against individuals that you make the 7 degrees of Kevin Bacon in every thing the OP presents?

Thats totally reasonable-make an assumption as to their true intentions, make it as bad as actually using children for this purpose,then fault them for not having a history of defending children that you're aware of.

Any idea how insane this is? Just being so deperately against individuals that you make the 7 degrees of Kevin Bacon in every thing the OP presents?

I thought it was 6 degrees....but meh.

I thought it was 6 degrees....but meh.

It is six, yes.

if you're correct on that, it only makes things worse....

Of course not, it wouldn't reflect well upon the peace-loving people of Iran, in this case. From (http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=20060424&s=kuntzel042406) the New Republic...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phan_Th%E1%BB%8B_Kim_Ph%C3%BAc

Of course not, it wouldn't reflect well upon the peace-loving people of the USA, in this case.

Now make this discussion worthy of myself or admit your defeat.

Now make this discussion worthy of myself or admit your defeat.


Think quite highly of yourself, do you? :rolleyes:

Think quite highly of yourself, do you? :rolleyes:

I do, but "worthy of myself" here means simply "stop using fallacies".

if you're correct on that, it only makes things worse....

Or maybe if you did not get that bit right maybe the rest is not entirely apt as well...

Or maybe if you did not get that bit right maybe the rest is not entirely apt as well...

No. Unfortunately,the one fact has nothing to do with the other reference.

Your statement still appears insane.

If a child is getting in the way of America and Iraqi Freedom, it's just supporting terrorism and that's wrong.

Clearly, we need to stop refraining from shooting at kids!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phan_Th%E1%BB%8B_Kim_Ph%C3%BAc

Of course not, it wouldn't reflect well upon the peace-loving people of the USA, in this case.

Now make this discussion worthy of myself or admit your defeat.

Did you mean the peace loving people of South Vietnam?

If a child is getting in the way of America and Iraqi Freedom, it's just supporting terrorism and that's wrong.

Clearly, we need to stop refraining from shooting at kids!

We didn't. They were blown up by the Insurgency.

No. Unfortunately,the one fact has nothing to do with the other reference.

Your statement still appears insane.

Do I have to pull the Baron and the Sultan out again? I am loathed to repeat myself.

Do I have to pull the Baron and the Sultan out again? I am loathed to repeat myself.

I'm reluctant to observe you pull anything out.

This makes no sense to me. Sorry Myrmidonisia...can you elaborate?
You wanted to hear about the use of children in other conflicts. I quoted an article that described how children were widely used in another conflict.

Sultan or Baron?

I do, but "worthy of myself" here means simply "stop using fallacies".
What's the fallacy? All we ever read about is how 99 and 44/100 percent of all Muslims are just a bunch of peace-loving folks that are misunderstood. I point to an example of where a national leader conscripts children to "clear" minefields and you can't accept that maybe, only 50 percent of all Muslims are the peace-loving sort? That maybe some actually intend to do awful things in the name of God?

Worthy of you? You're not worthy.

I'm reluctant to observe you pull anything out.

Cheeky :p

I'm reluctant to observe you pull anything out.
I just had a Blazing Saddles vision... "Excuse me while I whip this out".

Cheeky :p

so...we can agree to chuckle on that?

I just had a Blazing Saddles vision... "Excuse me while I whip this out".

"Its true! Its true!"

You wanted to hear about the use of children in other conflicts. I quoted an article that described how children were widely used in another conflict.

Sultan or Baron?

Which of course is not the case.

Cannonball ;)

Cheeky :p

I just had a Blazing Saddles vision... "Excuse me while I whip this out".

Brilliant film. Not quite on a par to The Producers but in the ballpark...

so...we can agree to chuckle on that?

Why can we not chuckle? It was funny...

Y'know, I'm sick of people trying to compare the two. Check the difference in casualties, genius.

I was referring to the simlarity of neither Iraqi nor Vietnamese lying down for the US. As for casualties, its not really US losses that are big on my "worry" list, save for their relative scarcity.

Clearly, we need to stop refraining from shooting at kids!.

Indeed. A bit of rigorous training in co-ordination with the IDF and I daresay no game of hop-scotch will ever again safely take place in view of an American patrol.

"Its true! Its true!"

"Sorry to disappoint you ma'am, but you're licking my arm."

You know, a thread about Mel Brooks movies would be a lot better than a third thread on this subject (and the second one made for the sole reason of telling us how evil Muslims are).

"Sorry to disappoint you ma'am, but you're licking my arm."

You know, a thread about Mel Brooks movies would be a lot better than a third thread on this subject (and the second one made for the sole reason of telling us how evil Muslims are).
There's a way to do that, but a man's got to know his limitations. Sorry that wasn't Mel Brooks.

I posted this on an islamic website, and i have had only 2 people decry it. 1 person said it was the mossad that did it.

I just don't understand. I thought they would be angry and realize that these extremists are evil, but they can only blame Israel, when it has nothing to do with it.:(

I posted this on an islamic website, and i have had only 2 people decry it. 1 person said it was the mossad that did it.

I just don't understand. I thought they would be angry and realize that these extremists are evil, but they can only blame Israel, when it has nothing to do with it.:(

Israel's responsible for acne, too. Didn't you know that?

What's the fallacy? All we ever read about is how 99 and 44/100 percent of all Muslims are just a bunch of peace-loving folks that are misunderstood. I point to an example of where a national leader conscripts children to "clear" minefields and you can't accept that maybe, only 50 percent of all Muslims are the peace-loving sort? That maybe some actually intend to do awful things in the name of God?

You have nothing to back that up. Not a statistic, not a fact, not anything but sheer, abject trolling.

Worthy of you?

Yes. Worthy of me. I'm arguing below my league here.

You're not worthy.

Right, I only studied deeply the very foundations of arguing, along with linguistics and discourse analysis. Your reasoning is flawed, your points are weak and your ideas are wrong. You bring up absolutely nothing but emotionally-charged "examples" of three to four people to try and back up a claim against a billion people. You against me in an argument are the equivalent of a person in a coma fighting Mike Tyson. You have no skill, no point and no reason to argue with.

Do we honestly need a new thread on this every other day?

Yes. Worthy of me. I'm arguing below my league here.

I'll request that the mods set up a forum to serve as a temple in your honour. You're clearly too good for us.

I'll request that the mods set up a forum to serve as a temple in your honour. You're clearly too good for us.

I never said that, I said I'm too good for HIM.

I posted this on an islamic website, and i have had only 2 people decry it. 1 person said it was the mossad that did it.

I just don't understand. I thought they would be angry and realize that these extremists are evil, but they can only blame Israel, when it has nothing to do with it.:(

Post it on Stormfront, and you might get a few creative responses too...

I posted this on an islamic website, and i have had only 2 people decry it. 1 person said it was the mossad that did it.

I just don't understand. I thought they would be angry and realize that these extremists are evil, but they can only blame Israel, when it has nothing to do with it.:(

Because to a Muslim, Israel is the root of all of their problems regardless. Does not matter to them if they didn't.

Because to a Muslim, Israel is the root of all of their problems regardless. Does not matter to them if they didn't.

Would that apply to every single Muslim? I gotta know quick, because I want to go yell at my Muslim friend for being so short sighted and ask him to change religions.

Would that apply to every single Muslim? I gotta know quick, because I want to go yell at my Muslim friend for being so short sighted and ask him to change religions.

No not every single one.

No not every single one.

The majority perhaps?

The majority perhaps?

Just the fundies which makes up a minority of it.

Just the fundies which makes up a minority of it.

And you couldnt have added that Caveat in the first post because...?

Just the fundies which makes up a minority of it.

Thank you. Now, can you please be a little more accurate in the future, so we can skip going through these five posts to get from "All muslims" to "Actually, just a small (albeit loud) minority"? Thanks again.

Thank you. Now, can you please be a little more accurate in the future, so we can skip going through these five posts to get from "All muslims" to "Actually, just a small (albeit loud) minority"? Thanks again.

I said "To A muslim" but the point is taken :)

And you couldnt have added that Caveat in the first post because...?

because to a conservative right-wing Christian, Muslims are merely.... oh I see what you did there...

This is all that the so called escalation 'surge' will do, force insurgents to take up in more extreme tactics of warfare. More US troops on the ground justifies the insurgency under a sectarian nationalist anti-occupation justification. With more US troops patrolling through Baghdad, will only make it easier for insurgents to find easy targets. Without the foreign occupation, the sectarian groups would eventually have to come to an agreement, with the occupation they have every reason to continue it. Remember of course the enormous power vacuum toppling the Baathist regime in Iraq caused.

This is all that the so called escalation 'surge' will do, force insurgents to take up in more extreme tactics of warfare. More US troops on the ground justifies the insurgency under a sectarian nationalist anti-occupation justification. With more US troops patrolling through Baghdad, will only make it easier for insurgents to find easy targets. Without the foreign occupation, the sectarian groups would eventually have to come to an agreement, with the occupation they have every reason to continue it. Remember of course the enormous power vacuum toppling the Baathist regime in Iraq caused.

They eventually have to come to an agreement? Funny. I do not see Somalia (even after the pull out of the UN) do that. They are still fighting one another. WHat makes you so sure that they have to come to an agreement if the forces leave? I highly doubt that they will for a long time to come.

They eventually have to come to an agreement? Funny. I do not see Somalia (even after the pull out of the UN) do that. They are still fighting one another. WHat makes you so sure that they have to come to an agreement if the forces leave? I highly doubt that they will for a long time to come.

A UN partition is the best way, it's the only way the Balkan problem was much worst than current Iraq and it's now calmed because of partition, and it seems to be holding now quite well. The fact is, the US screwed up big time in invadin Iraq, not only did it violate the sovereignty of another country and international law, but it has created a civil war which was held together under Saddam (despite his methods, more people are dying now than under Saddam on a daily period).

A recent Iraq Intelligence Report indicated that 85% of the insurgency were Iraqi, that is sectarian nationalist groups, most created by the CPA US in 'debaathisation' with sacking the army and civil service, and pretty much loosing all of Iraqs billions in aid through dodgy privatisation deals and the like. This created the nationalist ethnic strife, or unleashed it at least. The other 15% are foreign terrorists that are only able to fight if they join existing nationalist groups really. Fact is, the US cannot blame Iran, Syria or even the Iraqis themselves for this bloody mess, they only have one person to blame, Bush.

A UN partition is the best way, it's the only way the Balkan problem was much worst than current Iraq and it's now calmed because of partition, and it seems to be holding now quite well.

Really? What's your proof?

The fact is, the US screwed up big time in invadin Iraq, not only did it violate the sovereignty of another country and international law, but it has created a civil war which was held together under Saddam (despite his methods, more people are dying now than under Saddam on a daily period).

Ok. but this is not proving the fact that if we leave, things will settle down. Also remember that alot of this violence is IRAQI ON IRAQI. Terrorists blowing up shopping districts and marketplaces. What makes you think this will settle down if we do leave?

Fact is, the US cannot blame Iran, Syria or even the Iraqis themselves for this bloody mess, they only have one person to blame, Bush.

Yes you can blame Iran as evidence is pointing out that they are giving weapons and training to the insurgency and that al Sadr fled to where? IRAN!!!

Now care to prove that us leaving will make things settle down?

Well in the former Yugoslav states their is still tension, but no mass killings like in Iraq these days, that is a fact.

Also, their is NO proof whatsover for Iran supplying arms, just some Whitehouse spin to try and escalate the conflict.

Also, it's great to see supporters of Bush and his policy basically saying 'It doesn't matter how we go into Iraq, we have to fix it now', it is totally irresponsible, as Bush is obviously trying to cover up th blatant lies and propagnada he spewed to get into Iraq, and the way in which the CPA totally screwed the country and creating the insurgency in a few months.

It is the CPA's fault that Iraqs billions in aid were squandered and that they have an ill-equipted and under funded civil service and army. Nice try to deflect attention from the failings of the neocons in Iraq. The fact is, whatever the solution, the Bush admin and it's cronies simply cannot be trusted based on what they have already done to fix the problem. I don't have a problem with alternate opinions on how to get out, a UN partition is just my opinion, but that should never deflect attention from that Bush and his cronies have NO credibility whatsover to fix this.

Meh. How many kids did the US Air Force kill when they bombed Baghdad?

Meh. How many kids did the US Air Force kill when they bombed Baghdad?

lol

I imagine that the coldblooded killing of children is not really 'meh', no matter who does it.

In a way though I think those kids probably got the better end of the deal... I imagine death is better than living day to day in Iraq in it's current state.

Yes you can blame Iran as evidence is pointing out that they are giving weapons and training to the insurgency and that al Sadr fled to where? IRAN!!!


Pot. Kettle.

Iran has as much right to interfere in Iraq's internal affairs as the US/UK troops have.

I said "To A muslim" but the point is taken :)

The implication of which is that it applies to ANY Muslim one encounters, i.e. ALL Muslims.

You have nothing to back that up. Not a statistic, not a fact, not anything but sheer, abject trolling.



Yes. Worthy of me. I'm arguing below my league here.



Right, I only studied deeply the very foundations of arguing, along with linguistics and discourse analysis. Your reasoning is flawed, your points are weak and your ideas are wrong. You bring up absolutely nothing but emotionally-charged "examples" of three to four people to try and back up a claim against a billion people. You against me in an argument are the equivalent of a person in a coma fighting Mike Tyson. You have no skill, no point and no reason to argue with.
Yet you concern yourself with me at every opportunity. I'm flattered. Now, learn a little humility, or no one is going to ask you to the prom.

Also, their is NO proof whatsover for Iran supplying arms, just some Whitehouse spin to try and escalate the conflict.

Now prove that it is spin.

Here's an ABC News article about it: Intelligence Links Iran to Iraqi Insurgent Weapons (http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=2866573&page=1)

Some snippits:

U.S. officials have already disclosed some of the evidence — shaped charges, or explosively formed projectiles. When they explode, a molten core of copper can pierce some of the heaviest armor, even an Abrams tank.

So far, the evidence has focused on markings and serial numbers recovered from bomb fragments — markings that indicate the charges were made in Iran.

Gates has cited other evidence of Iranian involvement, including documents captured when U.S. forces conducted a raid last month in northern Iraq and arrested six Iranians.

May not implicate the government directly but apparently the Iranians are indeed helping the insurgency. However this is a discussion for another thread.

Pot. Kettle.

Iran has as much right to interfere in Iraq's internal affairs as the US/UK troops have.

Big difference between putting a nation back together and destablising it.

Pot. Kettle.

Iran has as much right to interfere in Iraq's internal affairs as the US/UK troops have.

Exactly right, in fact it has more a right considering Iraq borders Iran and Iraq is a traditional enemy of Iran. It is Iran's direct national interest.

-snip-

Corny, how many weapons/munitions being used on US troops are made in say.... I dunno, the US? Or China? Or Russia? Or France? Or Israel? Or Britain? Or South Africa?

Shit - just invade all of the above because we all know weapons from a country means the same thing as "OMFG!1!! They're attacking us!!"

Big difference between putting a nation back together and destablising it.

...and who destabilised it in the first place? Hmm? ;)

...and who destabilised it in the first place? Hmm? ;)

Pot. Kettle.

Iran has as much right to interfere in Iraq's internal affairs as the US/UK troops have.

Exactly right, in fact it has more a right considering Iraq borders Iran and Iraq is a traditional enemy of Iran. It is Iran's direct national interest.

Big difference between putting a nation back together and destablising it.

Umm no, as I said earlier and you so conveniently avoiding my inevitable point, Iraq is in a worst position now than at the height of the Iran/Iraq war, even when Basra was under siege, it is still worst now.

But the fact is, the US aren't rebuilding Iraq at ALL, they(CPA) squandered Iraq's billions as I have already said, so they haven't done anything as far as infrastructure or the like is concerned. The only thing the US is doing these days are kicking down doors and rolling tanks through the streets, they haven't any rebuilding for about 3 and half years now. And also the fact that it needs to be 'rebuilt' means the US destroyed it in the first place, and we all know the initial justification of the war was patently false.

Yet you concern yourself with me at every opportunity. I'm flattered. Now, learn a little humility, or no one is going to ask you to the prom.

A cat "concerns" itself with a mouse it catches until it grows bored of said mouse. I address your points because they need my correction. You are right, though, you should be flattered that I occupy my time with yourself. And I find humility to be needed when one faces in an argument, at least, their equals.

I imagine that the coldblooded killing of children is not really 'meh', no matter who does it.
You ask the average Texan what they think of all the Iraqi children killed and made homeless by the war, the typical response is,
"That's what happens in war."

I posted this on an islamic website, and i have had only 2 people decry it. 1 person said it was the mossad that did it.

I really don't get this idea that people are obligated to "decry" things. Muslims who don't "decry" terrorism get labelled as terrorist sympathizers, supporters or just terrorists. It's like someone invented the whole concept of "terrorism" as a sort of codeword/password.

Interviewer: "Terrorism!"

Responder 1: "Oh! How horrible! Those nasty terrorists!"

Interviewer: "Pass. TERRORISM!"

Responder 2: "Meh."

Interviewer: "Fail. TERRORIST!"

I mean I haven't once decried 9/11.But I'm not a Muslim so people don't seem to think I am a terrorist supporter. I'm not of Middle Eastern descent either. I have it lucky.

What's the fallacy? All we ever read about is how 99 and 44/100 percent of all U.S. soldiers are just a bunch of peace-loving folks that are misunderstood. I point to an example of where a national leader conscripts soldiers to torture and rape P.O.W.s and you can't accept that maybe, only 50 percent of all U.S. soldiers are the peace-loving sort? That maybe some actually intend to do awful things in the name of Bush?

Fixed for being just as accurate.

I really don't get this idea that people are obligated to "decry" things. Muslims who don't "decry" terrorism get labelled as terrorist sympathizers, supporters or just terrorists. It's like someone invented the whole concept of "terrorism" as a sort of codeword/password.

Interviewer: "Terrorism!"

Responder 1: "Oh! How horrible! Those nasty terrorists!"

Interviewer: "Pass. TERRORISM!"

Responder 2: "Meh."

Interviewer: "Fail. TERRORIST!"

I mean I haven't once decried 9/11.But I'm not a Muslim so people don't seem to think I am a terrorist supporter. I'm not of Middle Eastern descent either. I have it lucky.

Islamaphobia is a cultural highlight of Western nations, and the United States in particular. And such samples as we see in NSG are the kind of ignorant blather that drives impressionable Muslim youths to join up with the jihadis simply because the "|\/|05l3|\/|5 r 3b1l B@b33 3371|\|G 5@\/@G35" rants from one side and the "True Muslims wage Jihad and kill the infidels" propaganda from the other cannot help but make sense to them in combination.

I hope we stay in Iraq until everyone of these fuckers is dead.

I hope we stay in Iraq until everyone of these fuckers is dead.

Nuking the country would save time and effort.

I hope we stay in Iraq until everyone of these fuckers is dead.
Yeah, that'll work.

I hope we stay in Iraq until everyone of these fuckers is dead.

And by "we" you mean soldiers who fullfill your need for vicarious deathsport?

Islamaphobia is a cultural highlight of Western nations, and the United States in particular. And such samples as we see in NSG are the kind of ignorant blather that drives impressionable Muslim youths to join up with the jihadis simply because the "|\/|05l3|\/|5 r 3b1l B@b33 3371|\|G 5@\/@G35" rants from one side and the "True Muslims wage Jihad and kill the infidels" propaganda from the other cannot help but make sense to them in combination.

It's only Islamophobia right now. Thing is, I believe there is a great underswell of hate. Based on the general misery of daily life in the US, most people are repressing vast amounts of anger which can be easily directed by the government. With 9/11 it was against Muslims, but another 'event' could direct it against any other group. No one is safe.

I hope we stay in Iraq until everyone of these fuckers is dead.

Do you mean the insurgents or Iraqis as a whole?

Considering how with every tactical and political fuckups the coalition makes in Iraq means more Iraqis join the insurgency though, I suppose you do mean Iraqis in general.

No surprise at all.

Do you mean the insurgents or Iraqis as a whole?

Considering how with every tactical and political fuckups the coalition makes in Iraq means more Iraqis join the insurgency though, I suppose you do mean Iraqis in general.

No surprise at all.

I meant every no good rotten one of those SOBs. Nobody wants to kill good Arabs. If you think that is what the war is about you haint the brightest.

Do you mean the insurgents or Iraqis as a whole?

Considering how with every tactical and political fuckups the coalition makes in Iraq means more Iraqis join the insurgency though, I suppose you do mean Iraqis in general.

No surprise at all.

You know what I think that you are a troll. Only a troll could look at a situation where some terrorists murdered two little kids and say that the guys fighting them are the bad guys. Go to hell!

You know what I think that you are a troll. Only a troll could look at a situation where some terrorists murdered two little kids and say that the guys fighting them are the bad guys. Go to hell!

As opposed to the wishing for "every one of those fuckers", and I'm pretty sure you meant all Arabs, to be "dead"?

It's funny how this turned out. Originally, it was about a terrorist who killed 2 children because he wanted to kill people. Then, it was morphed into how US soldiers were the ones who killed the kids, not whoever placed the car bomb in the car. Now, it's about how the situation is America's fault. As if the Sunnis and Shiites didn't already hate eachother when the US got there.

As opposed to the wishing for "every one of those fuckers", and I'm pretty sure you meant all Arabs, to be "dead"?

Not all Arabs are terrorists. If they were we would have nuked em. The trick is separating the bad from the good. I can vouch that there are some good Arabs. Some of my friends were Arabs back in High School. The Saudis and Pakis and Afghans are better than the Palestinian ones though although there were even a few cool Pales. They have some hot girls too but I am not sure if they are good lovers though because they are all hung up on sex so if you are into the vag they might not be the right type fer ya.

Not all Arabs are terrorists. If they were we would have nuked em. The trick is separating the bad from the good. I can vouch that there are some good Arabs. Some of my friends were Arabs back in High School. The Saudis and Pakis and Afghans are better than the Palestinian ones though although there were even a few cool Pales. They have some hot girls too but I am not sure if they are good lovers though because they are all hung up on sex so if you are into the vag they might not be the right type fer ya.

Hot girls? The vag?

Can I argue with someone other than Joey Tribbianni here?