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Only today did I learn a most interesting fact about my past.

My Great Grandfather was in the Waffen-SS. He was a German and was in the SS. He reached the rank of Oberst (Colonel). On June 12th 1944 he was ordered to be part of a mass execution of Russian prisioners on the Eastern front and didnt comply. The next month went by ok, thanks to help from Von Mannstein. He defended my great grandfather allowing him to keep his rank, but eventually Hitler learned about this from a snitch (who was actually shot himself) and got some MP or something to take him away from the front. He went willingly and met with a general that ordered him shot. To make this worse he was taken to Hamburg and my Opa (Grandfather) was taken out of school and forced to watch.

His men eventually fought under Haussar from then on. Im proud of him for taking a bullet instead of mass murder, and the fact that he reached an Oberst in the SS.

PS:I have a deep hatred for Hitler, not his foreign policies (Sudentland, Rhineland)

Good for him and you.

My grandfather shot a bunch of Germans.

My other grandfather shot a bunch of Koreans.

My dad blew up a TON of vietnamese with bombs.

Those that survived that war usually killed others to do it and those that refused to kill usually were.

My dad kept the two Koreans apart

My Grandpa help defeat the Nazis in the European and African theater.

and as far as I know, on my mom side, we had someone fight for the Confederacy.

My family fought for the North during the Civil War.

My grandfather sank a couple of Japenese ships and shot down a few small planes.

What's the point of listing the military accomplishments of your relatives?

I had a chicken pie for lunch.

My family fought for the North during the Civil War.

My grandfather sank a couple of Japenese ships and shot down a few small planes.

What's the point of listing the military accomplishments of your relatives?

To show that you're proud of them?

My only claim to fame is Ulysses S Grant.

Better General than president.

My only claim to fame is Ulysses S Grant.

Better General than president.

Wait, one of your ancestor was Ulysses S. Grant?

http://www.historyplace.com/civilwar/cwar-pix/grant3.jpg

This Ulysses S. Grant? ^^

Shoot, your great grandfather probably killed some of my Russian relatives, who killed some of my German relatives, and both of whom killed my Polish ones...

I'm an Eastern European melting pot of war.

Shoot, your great grandfather probably killed some of my Russian relatives, who killed some of my German relatives, and both of whom killed my Polish ones...

I'm an Eastern European melting pot of war.

Hell my Grandpa on my dad side probably shot some of our German relatives too!

my Great Grandfather fought Johnny Turk at Gallipoli and the Huns on the
western front

When I was little my parents told me that we were closely related to one of the last dynasties of Vietnam. With much pride I told everyone in my class the next day to impress them. When I came home, my parents told me that they were just messing with me...

My Austrian relatives were probably involved in the persecution of some of my Jewish relatives, who later emigrated to Great Britain, only to then fight against my Irish relatives ;/. Also, Ukranians... somewhere in there...

Good for him and you.

My grandfather shot a bunch of Germans.

My other grandfather shot a bunch of Koreans.

My dad blew up a TON of vietnamese with bombs.

How many of them civilians ?

My mum was a member of Nelson Mandala's Black Consciousness Movement...

It evens out my grand-mother hatred of every race, including our own...

Both my grandfathers were convinved and faithful Nazis. One in the Waffen SS, the other one in the Wehrmacht.

The only good thing to ever come of that is a very very deep mistrust and hatred of all things military in their children and grandchildren. And hopefully one day, their great-grandchildren, too.

my Great Grandfather fought Johnny Turk at Gallipoli and the Huns on the
western front

It always irritated me that the Germans got nicknamed that when it would have been more geographically descriptive of the Austro-Hungarians.

In any case, I had an ancestor in the revolutionary war, in the Green Mountain Boys, and one in the Civil War (union side, my ancestors were still in New England at that point) and three great grandfathers in WWI. The one in the Infantry never wanted to go back to France, ever.

It always irritated me that the Germans got nicknamed that when it would have been more geographically descriptive of the Austro-Hungarians.

In any case, I had an ancestor in the revolutionary war, in the Green Mountain Boys, and one in the Civil War (union side, my ancestors were still in New England at that point) and three great grandfathers in WWI. The one in the Infantry never wanted to go back to France, ever.

all i know is the British called them that, so we used it along side what other names we had given

My dad blew up a TON of vietnamese with bombs.
Did he weigh them before or after he blew them up?

My dad drank beer and stole military petrol to drive 200km and visit his girlfriend when he was on weekend leave.

Also, once he was chauffeured around in a Gepard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flugabwehrkanonenpanzer_Gepard) anti-air tank when it went on maneuvres. He says it's very loud and uncomfortable.

I've got a whole bunch of other relatives who fought in various wars (one got wounded in Stalingrad, three other ones are dead in France and Russia somewhere), but that doesn't count because I hardly know those guys.

Im proud of him for taking a bullet instead of mass murder, and the fact that he reached an Oberst in the SS.


You're right to be proud of a person who chose his own death instead of committing a massacre. I would be less proud of his SS membership - I doubt that an Oberst (even in the SS-Waffen) wasn't aware of what other branches of the same organisation (SS-Totenkopf) were doing back in the occupied territories and in Vaterland.
I'm pretty sure that he was arrested and executed by fellow SS on the order of the GeStaPo. The german military justice had no jurisdiction over members of the SS - they were handled by Himmler.

...I doubt that an Oberst (even in the SS-Waffen)...
Actually, there isn't even such a thing as an SS-Oberst. It would have been called "Standartenführer" as "Oberst" was the Wehrmacht rank.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_rank

Actually, there isn't even such a thing as an SS-Oberst. It would have been called "Standartenführer" as "Oberst" was the Wehrmacht rank.


Righty-ho. It slipped my mind. My memory is going to bits lately.

Let's say that I doubt that a Standartenführer was totally unaware of the glorious deeds of the SS-Totenkopf.

I have some respect for the SS-Waffen because they were fighting forces, although fervent Nazis. At least, they had the courage to fight for what they believed - even if it was one of the most unjust causes in history.
I have no respect for the SS-Totenkopf, they were a bunch of criminals who used to hide in the shadows and torture civilians and POWs while german youth died fighting all around Europe and North Africa.

Did he weigh them before or after he blew them up?

Nope, but he planned more bomber sorties than I care to imagine... I would vouchsafe 2000lbs of vietnamese were exploded to death as a result.

It always irritated me that the Germans got nicknamed that when it would have been more geographically descriptive of the Austro-Hungarians.

In any case, I had an ancestor in the revolutionary war, in the Green Mountain Boys, and one in the Civil War (union side, my ancestors were still in New England at that point) and three great grandfathers in WWI. The one in the Infantry never wanted to go back to France, ever.

all i know is the British called them that, so we used it along side what other names we had given

The root of that name can be found in emperor William II's "speech of 27 July 1900 exhorting German troops sent to quell the Boxer Rebellion in China to emulate the ancient Huns is another example of his unfortunate propensity for impolitic public utterances."
Linky (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_II%2C_German_Emperor#Foreign_affairs)

The root of that name can be found in emperor William II's "speech of 27 July 1900 exhorting German troops sent to quell the Boxer Rebellion in China to emulate the ancient Huns is another example of his unfortunate propensity for impolitic public utterances."
Linky (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_II%2C_German_Emperor#Foreign_affairs)

thank you CW
side note Australia all so had a part in the Boxer Rebellion

Why on earth you would be proud of something your ancestors did doesn't make sense to me - it was their experience, not yours, and you didn't have any part in it. Respect, sure, but pride? Not really.


PS:I have a deep hatred for Hitler, not his foreign policies (Sudentland, Rhineland)

Yes, they were absolutely wonderful. Lebensraum, and all that.

My dad drank beer and stole military petrol to drive 200km and visit his girlfriend when he was on weekend leave.


Speaking of wartime beer, my great-grandfather was in the ANZAC supply corps while stationed in North Africa. He was in charge of the beer tent. :)

My grandfather once busted out of the brig on the HMS Devonshire hidden in a kitbig in order to play in a football match for the Navy against the Army during WW2.

my grandfather was in the german army in WW2, worked with the dutch resistance, got found out, put in prison camp, and was liberated by the english (upon which he found himself in a POW camp in a hospital, where he met my grandmother, later moving back to germany, having my mum, moving back to england, and the rest is history... :))


i don't think my grandfather on the other side fought in the war.

Good for him and you.

My grandfather shot a bunch of Germans.

My other grandfather shot a bunch of Koreans.

My dad blew up a TON of vietnamese with bombs.

Hmmmm. How many Vietnamese consitute a ton? And given average heights, are there more Koreans per bunch than Germans (on average)?

Being Irish, its fairly safe to assume my ancestors primary target was each other, with the odd break fighting everyone else.

I can't remember his regiment, but my great grandfather was a sergeant who fought in France during the First World War, and was gassed by chlorine. He survived but spent the rest of the war, sickly in his house, ridiculed by his peers. Then he fell on a sheet of ice and became mentally disabled, I believe.

His son, my grandfather, was a sergeant of the Royal Army Ordnance Corps during the Second World War and served in Africa, Eastern Europe and Germany during and a while after the war. He has never killed anyone in battle, but has been shot at a few times. When he was serving in the Balkans, his Brigadier was actually shot by a peasant women right in front if him. He was also heavily involved in the Berlin airdrops after the war, and his unit went to Belsen concentration camp. He doesn't mention Belsen except when he's drunk.

I'm pretty proud of both of them. I actually wanted to join the navy for quite a while, but I'm not eligible for medical reasons.

His men eventually fought under Haussar from then on. Im proud of him for taking a bullet instead of mass murder, and the fact that he reached an Oberst in the SS. The latter is hardly something to be proud of since it kind of requires you to volunteer for a racist organization. My Greatgrandfather managed to dodge the Wehrmacht's draft. That's something to be proud of.
PS:I have a deep hatred for Hitler, not his foreign policies (Sudentland, Rhineland)You know that WWII was part of Hitler's foreign policy and it isn't considered such a smart move by many...

i'm not sure, but i don't think any of my ancestors fought in a war.
wich is very good imo.

M great grandfather commanded a flying column for a while. He quit when the civil war broke out, claiming that he didn't want to kill his fellow Irishmen. So he became a policeman. After surviving being shot at while in the station he quit and moved to the town where I now reside to be a farmer(I think)

Going further back my family were with the vikings that invaded and settled in Normandy, among the Normans who invaded England, and among the English who invaded Ireland.

Our next target is Iceland, then on to Canada. China will be a challenge, as will Russia, but the Eastern European countries should fall like dominoes after that. Then on to reclaim Scandinavia for our own once more. And maybe Germany if we have the time.

Actually, there isn't even such a thing as an SS-Oberst. It would have been called "Standartenführer" as "Oberst" was the Wehrmacht rank.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_rankWell, that confirms my suspicion that it was just a "we hid Jews, too, but now we can't find them anymore" story.

My uncle was killed by Saladin while he was serving with The Knights Templar.

My uncle was killed by Saladin while he was serving with The Knights Templar.

He's with the Illuminati, get him!

Wait, one of your ancestor was Ulysses S. Grant?

http://www.historyplace.com/civilwar/cwar-pix/grant3.jpg

This Ulysses S. Grant? ^^

yes my great grandfather x5.(or 6)

My grandfather was forced to join the german army during WWII, but he was lucky: he was first send to a sort of trainingcamp and then, the day before he was due to be send to the front, we were liberated by the americans and he could finally return home...
My greatgrandmother had to flee to France together with my grandmother and a lot of other luxemburgers

M great grandfather commanded a flying column for a while. He quit when the civil war broke out, claiming that he didn't want to kill his fellow Irishmen. So he became a policeman. After surviving being shot at while in the station he quit and moved to the town where I now reside to be a farmer(I think)

Going further back my family were with the vikings that invaded and settled in Normandy, among the Normans who invaded England, and among the English who invaded Ireland.

Our next target is Iceland, then on to Canada. China will be a challenge, as will Russia, but the Eastern European countries should fall like dominoes after that. Then on to reclaim Scandinavia for our own once more. And maybe Germany if we have the time.


Remember that we are Indo-Europeans, and as such the Punjab is rightfully ours. We (will) have a holy book that says so.

My grandfather was forced to join the german army during WWII, but he was lucky: he was first send to a sort of trainingcamp and then, the day before he was due to be send to the front, we were liberated by the americans and he could finally return home...
My greatgrandmother had to flee to France together with my grandmother and a lot of other luxemburgers

Now that sounds like a "we hid Jews, too, but now we can't find them anymore" story.

Remember that we are Indo-Europeans, and as such the Punjab is rightfully ours. We (will) have a holy book that says so.

And our Holy Book cannot be wrong!

Those that survived that war usually killed others to do it and those that refused to kill usually were.

Those that survived war usually weren't in combat positions, and never killed anyone.

Those that survived war usually weren't in combat positions, and never killed anyone.

The best way to survive a war:
Be as far away as possible

This tactic allowed many billions of people to survive the Iraq War.

And our Holy Book cannot be wrong!


Of course not. Its the root of the one true faith, divinely inspired, and obviously true. Or it will be, when I'm finished it.

The best way to survive a war:
Be on the other side of the world.

apart from that The best way to survive a war is to be Staff Officer

Of course not. Its the root of the one true faith, divinely inspired, and obviously true. Or it will be, when I'm finished it.

All hail Nodinia, Prophet of the Ages!

*looks for suicide bomb belt*

Of course not. Its the root of the one true faith, divinely inspired, and obviously true. Or it will be, when I'm finished it.

Excellent. Soon the world will recognise our right to take over the world!

Those that survived war usually weren't in combat positions, and never killed anyone.

So were a good deal of those who didn't. The majority of WWII casualties were civillians.

So were a good deal of those who didn't. The majority of WWII casualties were civillians.

Depends on what country the civilians were in, eh?

Excellent. Soon the world will recognise our right to take over the world!


And let he who seeks to gainsay us be known as a famine denier, and shunned amongst respectable society.

And let he who seeks to gainsay us be known as a famine denier, and shunned amongst respectable society.

What do we want?
MORE POTATOES!
When do we want them?
DURING THE FAMINE!


Also:
Trinity
SHITE!

*hoards potatoes*

Now that sounds like a "we hid Jews, too, but now we can't find them anymore" story.

No, it's actually more of a "my grandfather was nearly forced to fight for those who had occupied our country" story...

Only today did I learn a most interesting fact about my past.

My Great Grandfather was in the Waffen-SS. He was a German and was in the SS. He reached the rank of Oberst (Colonel). On June 12th 1944 he was ordered to be part of a mass execution of Russian prisioners on the Eastern front and didnt comply. The next month went by ok, thanks to help from Von Mannstein. He defended my great grandfather allowing him to keep his rank, but eventually Hitler learned about this from a snitch (who was actually shot himself) and got some MP or something to take him away from the front. He went willingly and met with a general that ordered him shot. To make this worse he was taken to Hamburg and my Opa (Grandfather) was taken out of school and forced to watch.

His men eventually fought under Haussar from then on. Im proud of him for taking a bullet instead of mass murder, and the fact that he reached an Oberst in the SS.

PS:I have a deep hatred for Hitler, not his foreign policies (Sudentland, Rhineland)


So it's not really your past that you learned about, then.

Also:
Trinity
SHITE!


Trinity....went to a trinity students party once. (years ago)..there was a few standing round and everybody appeared friendly...Somebody asked me what I di,d to which I replied (as was true at the time)"labourin" and they parted like the red sea. The UCD lads I was with thought it hilarious.

My grandfather was German and was in the Wehrmacht and was captured by the British and put in a prisoner of war camp. After the war, he returned to Germany and died last year from lung cancer cos he smoked too much. I just find it funny how he survived world war 2 but died from smoking.

My grandfather was German and was in the Wehrmacht and was captured by the British and put in a prisoner of war camp. After the war, he returned to Germany and died last year from lung cancer cos he smoked too much. I just find it funny how he survived world war 2 but died from smoking.

Well nowadays, a lot of people die from causes other than war.

Let's take the US for example.

More young black men are killed in the US every year by other young black US men than the total number of US soldiers of any race who die in Iraq.

Funny, I don't see any protests in the street about this...

Well nowadays, a lot of people die from causes other than war.

Let's take the US for example.

More young black men are killed in the US every year by other young black US men than the total number of US soldiers of any race who die in Iraq.

Funny, I don't see any protests in the street about this...

That may just be because the people protesting are not protesting because of the armed, trained, well-equipped US soldiers who are being killed, but because of the more than 50 000 dead Iraqi civilians... or are you now claiming that the number of blacks killed by blacks in the US every year is in its ten thousands?

That may just be because the people protesting are not protesting because of the armed, trained, well-equipped US soldiers who are being killed, but because of the more than 50 000 dead Iraqi civilians... or are you now claiming that the number of blacks killed by blacks in the US every year is in its ten thousands?

Half of the 16,000 murders (roughly) in the US are young black males killed by young black males.

Pretty close to 10,000 (if we take it as 8,000).

My great-grandfather fought for the Wehrmacht on the Eastern Front. Never heard from him again.

My grandfather fought for the Hitler Youth in France. Got captured before he could actually do anything.

My father fought for Australia in Vietnam.

Well from what I recall my great grandfather was a communist who spent most of his time in prison, my grandmother spent the war in a concentration camp (though she could have been released any time if she renounced being a Jehovah witness)

my outer family has been quite involved in communist movements in South/central America and Europe (the worse news is all the black sheep of the family tend to be or end up neo-nazis:( )

Other stuff is the serving on the HMS Prince of Wales and allot of conflicts in the far east

Funny, I don't see any protests in the street about this...That's because they're cleverly disguised as anti-gun violence rallies ;)

I hope none of you boasting about acts by your ancestors are the same ones who were bitching about generational guilt.

My grandmother's uncle or someone like that (I dont know the exact englih terms for family members) served as a Gunner in a Russian bomber in WWII, he was also one of the first men to storm the Reichstag, and got a medal for it.

My grandfather was a judge, because of this I now have a good name that gets me places and connections.

I have connections because of both sides of my family, actually.

It suck though, because if you fuck up somehow, you have to worry about parents finding out, or something.

Only today did I learn a most interesting fact about my past.
's not really your past as such, you know... Oh well, carry on :)
Well nowadays, a lot of people die from causes other than war.

Let's take the US for example.

More young black men are killed in the US every year by other young black US men than the total number of US soldiers of any race who die in Iraq.

Funny, I don't see any protests in the street about this...
So how many protests about this have you organized? Have you written your congressman yet? Surely you know people and can get people together? Maybe a candlelight vigil?
My grandfather was a judge, because of this I now have a good name that gets me places and connections.

I have connections because of both sides of my family, actually.

It suck though, because if you fuck up somehow, you have to worry about parents finding out, or something.

Mob ties are fun, aren't they? :cool:

My one grandfather was a rumrunner. We had a family reunion recently and an old feud over a lost shipment nearly resulted in a brawl.

Meh. I'm proud of my own past, not somebody elses, even though they might share genetic information with me.

Meh. I'm proud of my own past, not somebody elses, even though they might share genetic information with me.

So, ergo, you mean a father can't be proud of his son?

My paternal grandad was an army chef in al-Iskandriyya. He would have done more but his Irish citizenship made him unable to enlist.

I've never heard any war stories about my maternal grandfather, I don't think he was in the War.

Further back, my mum's mum's family were all Raj officers.

I'm part Russian, French, and Native American. I just know there's a joke there somewhere, but I'm too drunk, lazy and marginalized to make it.

So, ergo, you mean a father can't be proud of his son?

I don't know... I guess I'd be happy for them when they are happy. Is that the same?

Mob ties are fun, aren't they? :cool:

.. how did you know he.. er..!

;)

Only today did I learn a most interesting fact about my past.

My Great Grandfather was in the Waffen-SS. He was a German and was in the SS. He reached the rank of Oberst (Colonel). On June 12th 1944 he was ordered to be part of a mass execution of Russian prisioners on the Eastern front and didnt comply. The next month went by ok, thanks to help from Von Mannstein. He defended my great grandfather allowing him to keep his rank, but eventually Hitler learned about this from a snitch (who was actually shot himself) and got some MP or something to take him away from the front. He went willingly and met with a general that ordered him shot. To make this worse he was taken to Hamburg and my Opa (Grandfather) was taken out of school and forced to watch.

His men eventually fought under Haussar from then on. Im proud of him for taking a bullet instead of mass murder, and the fact that he reached an Oberst in the SS.

PS:I have a deep hatred for Hitler, not his foreign policies (Sudentland, Rhineland)

That's a great fact for you to know. My great grandfather was a village doctor in India. My grandfather ran a drugstore in a different village. Now, one of my uncles runs the store.

Great. My great grandfather was a village doctor in India. My grandfather ran a drugstore in a different village. Now, one of my uncles runs the store.

Isn't your father a doctor?

Wait, one of your ancestor was Ulysses S. Grant?

http://www.historyplace.com/civilwar/cwar-pix/grant3.jpg

This Ulysses S. Grant? ^^

His grandfather and great-great-grandfather. :D

Isn't your father a doctor?

Yeah. He's the epitome of the American rags-to-riches story. Youngest of seven, wanted to be a doctor all his life, went to med school, then New York. He then went back to India to find a date, then married and came back here. His brothers (my uncles) are still in India. Their home willage, to be exact.

Nice. My 1700th post.

Yeah. He's the epitome of the American rags-to-riches story. Youngest of seven, wanted to be a doctor all his life, went to med school, then New York. He then went back to India to find a date, then married and came back here. His brothers (my uncles) are still in India.

Very cool.

Will you be following in his footsteps (.. not to India, but to become a doctor?)?

My grandmother's uncle or someone like that (I dont know the exact englih terms for family members) served as a Gunner in a Russian bomber in WWII, he was also one of the first men to storm the Reichstag, and got a medal for it.
A member of a bomber crew suddenly became an infantryman in a frontline unit?

Trinity....went to a trinity students party once. (years ago)..there was a few standing round and everybody appeared friendly...Somebody asked me what I di,d to which I replied (as was true at the time)"labourin" and they parted like the red sea. The UCD lads I was with thought it hilarious.

I approve of this. UCD is made of win.

My great-Uncle surrendered to the Japanese in the Philippines, survived the Bataan death march, and died on a Japanese POW ship.

He's with the Illuminati, get him!

Wait, which one? Bavarian?:confused:

My great grandfather fought in the Easter Rising.

One of my great-grandfather's served in the Pacific and helped liberate the Phillipines. He never talked about it and would tell you to fuck off if you asked him, but I heard a few of his stories from my grandfather.

He and a few other soldiers were sent out for recon and, on the way back, found a Japanese soldier in a tree. An argument broke out, as one of the marines wanted to shoot him out of the tree while another wanted to bayonet him. A coin flip was in favor of the bayonet-guy, so they all waited while he ran off to find an axe. The tree was chopped down and the Japanese soldier killed with a bayonet thrust.

Another time they managed to capture a Japanese soldier and were walking him back to camp which was a long, long walk. They had a Philipino soldier who was with them as a guide, and they left him to guard the prisoner while they ran ahead to fetch a jeep. On the way back they found their guide walking, alone. When questioned about the prisoner, the guide kind of shrugged, utterly unashamed, and said "He no coming. He seek. Ver' seek."
They eventually found the prisoner, beheaded and disembowled.

Ahhh war! Brings out the best in us.

My Grandfather was in the Seabees in the Pacific and the navy made him change his first name because it looked German. My Great-Grandfather was a blacksmith in the German Cavalry he retired and moved here two years before WWI. During the thirties he helped people escape from Nazi Germany by claiming them as relatives so they could get pappers easier. My dad was active in the Civil Rights movment.

yes my great grandfather x5.(or 6)

http://www.superdeluxe.com/sd/contentDetail.do?id=D81F2344BF5AC7BB475B3DBDB2452FF4AF0B932878BD152C

To show that you're proud of them?
Why be proud of family participation in the government killing machine?

Grandpa Don was in the navy, on an LST (Big landing craft thing), drove one of those little boats full of marines to the shores of Normandy. We know he was there because when my Dad asked him what he saw, he said, "I never looked up."

One time a German bomber dropped a bomb right in the middle of his LST at night. The bomb bounced off and fell into the ocean. The pilot of the bomber turned the light on. Granpa Don claimed he heard the command, "Fire!"

I saulte the pilots of that plane.

Grandpa Jack was a waist gunner in a B-24 and bombed the Italians. He even had the honor of bailing out over the base when the landing gear didn't work properly. He flew over 30 missions.

God bless America.

Very cool.

Will you be following in his footsteps (.. not to India, but to become a doctor?)?

Nah. I'm going to a city in California, to get involved in computers.

My family's great "claim to fame" is that if you go to any Civil War monument in the Northeast, there's at least one of us on it. Yay, family of piss-poor rock farmers! :p

Aside from all the dead germans, koreans and vietnamese I have in my blood, a distant relative managed to marry the sister of a certain dearly departed young democratic president, and to marry his daughter to a certain charismatic california governor cum movie star.

I approve of this. UCD is made of win.

I should point that I am not former UCD, I was actually a full time labourer. I have none of your book learned third level edukshun. I learnt from the book of life. Or would have, if I hadn't coloured it in and tore out the nudie pics.

A member of a bomber crew suddenly became an infantryman in a frontline unit?

*Shrugs*

I was as surprised as you are.

Oh, and my grandmother's family also participated in WWI (for the russians too).

A member of a bomber crew suddenly became an infantryman in a frontline unit?

if i recall right they did a lot of things like that