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What’s the difference between Anarchists and Libertarians??

Libertarians are anarchists with money.

Anarchists believe property is theft. Libertarians believe everything
is property.

Libertarians are bosses; anarchists work for them when they run out of
other options.

Libertarians buy more guns, but anarchists use more ammo.

Libertarians ride in stretch limos; anarchists throw bricks through
their windshields.

Libertarians go shopping; anarchists go shoplifting.

Libertarians go to the police after they’ve been mugged; anarchists
get mugged by the police.

A libertarian wants to marry another libertarian, but only after
sleeping with enough anarchists.

Anarchists ignore the IRS; Libertarians hire accountants and attorneys
to fight them.

Libertarians think the government is trying steal the property they
rightfully own; anarchists think the government is trying to defend
property that nobody rightfully owns.

Libertarians are organized in a political party; anarchists aren’t
organized in anything.

Anarchists ignore elections; Libertarians run for office, vote and
lose.

Libertarians think anarchists are naive and unrealistic; anarchists
don’t care what libertarians think.

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What’s the difference between Anarchists and Libertarians??

Trick question. True Libertarians are anarchists/communists/syndicalists.

Next!

So what your saying is that Libertarians are smarter, more mature versions of anarchists, who might actually get something done?

Sounds about right to me.

So what your saying is that Libertarians are smarter, more mature versions of anarchists, who might actually get something done?

Sounds about right to me.

No, its a joke upon both our houses.

I'm an anarcho-capitalist. Does that mean I throw a brick through my own windshield?

I suppose this is real funny among communist cliques.

What’s the difference between Anarchists and Libertarians??

Libertarians are anarchists with money.

Most communist/anarchists are the intellectual type who spend little time worrying about money.

Anarchists believe property is theft. Libertarians believe everything
is property.

The glaring exclusion of the upper crust philosophers, Proudhon, took from his humble beginnings a reverence for property that caused him to also declare that property is freedom.

Libertarians are bosses; anarchists work for them when they run out of
other options.

Libertarians are far more often to work for bosses than the anarchists who can typically afford to avoid them.

Which do you honestly think is more prevalent among the working class, libertarianism or anarchism?

Libertarians go to the police after they’ve been mugged; anarchists
get mugged by the police.

We all get mugged by the police.

Anarchists ignore the IRS; Libertarians hire accountants and attorneys
to fight them.

They shouldn't be fought?

Libertarians think the government is trying steal the property they
rightfully own; anarchists think the government is trying to defend
property that nobody rightfully owns.

They are both right.

Libertarians are organized in a political party; anarchists aren’t
organized in anything.

Bullshit.

Anarchists ignore elections; Libertarians run for office, vote and
lose.

There is a large libertarian movement that thinks that political action is pointless or corrosive to the movement.

My understanding is that anarchists, barring anarcho-capitalists, are anti-capitalists, whereas libertarians aren't.

And don't give me any flak about anarcho-capitalism not being anarchism; I don't care.

What is the difference between libertarians and anarchists?

A few logic extensions of consistency, I suppose. I consider most Libertarians to be proto-anarchists, having already recognised the state as a negative entity, and already dallying with the concept that they may not be as indispensible as we have been taught to think.

And yes, anarcho-capitalism is the pwnage.

... literally, anarcho-capitalism is a system in which property rights (i.e. pwnage) are the paramount order upon which society is based.

What is the difference between libertarians and anarchists?

A few logic extensions of consistency, I suppose. I consider most Libertarians to be proto-anarchists, having already recognised the state as a negative entity, and already dallying with the concept that they may not be as indispensible as we have been taught to think.

Do you think logical consistency in anarchist/libertarian thought necessarily rejects capitalism?

I'm an anarcho-capitalist. Does that mean I throw a brick through my own windshield?
Maybe they just pretend we don't exist. :p

Maybe they just pretend we don't exist. :p

No, we just don't consider you anarchists. Of course, we don't consider you libertarians either.

Hmm, we could always go with the inhabitants of Anarres and call you propertarians.

Hmm, we could always go with the inhabitants of Anarres and call you propertarians.
If it pleases you guys - it makes no difference to me. :)

Do you think logical consistency in anarchist/libertarian thought necessarily rejects capitalism?
I speak exclusively of socio-economic systems not principally comprised of fail. As such, the only anachism i acknowledge is market anarchism, or anarcho-capitalism (which I see as the logical extention of libertarianism, and indeed even classic liberalism).

No, we just don't consider you anarchists. Of course, we don't consider you libertarians either.

Hmm, we could always go with the inhabitants of Anarres and call you propertarians.

Soheran, if you don't watch it, i'll enforce my illegitimate property rights all over your arse. Then i'll use your blood to oil the machinery of my profits, built upon the newly aquired capital inherent in your newly claimed/exploited property.

After that i may go and eat some live kittens and shoot members of the proletariat. *guzzles down a wad of $50 notes*

*burp*

Libertarians = minarchists

Anarchists = want no state

Libertarians = minarchists
Well, tell that to Tom Palmer and CATO. They seem to think centrism/ centre-right are as libertarian as you can get. I have no respect for that guy - idiotic viper that he is.

Do you think logical consistency in anarchist/libertarian thought necessarily rejects capitalism?

Not at all, as the basis of any anarchist society ought to be the concept of free associations, whatever those associations may be.

Well, tell that to Tom Palmer and CATO. They seem to think centrism/ centre-right are as libertarian as you can get. I have no respect for that guy - idiotic viper that he is.

Same.

Libertarians = minarchists

Anarchists = want no state

Right, but if libertarians acknowledge that as small of a state as is possible is a good thing, than they are just an epiphany away from realising that no state is better.

No, we just don't consider you anarchists. Of course, we don't consider you libertarians either.

I recognize anarcho-capitalists as anarchists.

It's just with no government they're going to have a hard time enforcing property rights, and when they hire private police/armies, we'll unionise them and they'll go on strike.

The difference between an anarchist and a libertarian is this:
A libertarian recognizes that what's yours is yours and believes that what's his is his. To an anarchist, what's yours is his and he hopes you don't think the same of what he considers his.

A libertarian recognizes the need for some structure and the right to claim territory and property but that authority needs to be very limited. An anarchist doesn't want anyone to be able to tell them what to do; they want to be free to do anything, any time, to anyone, for any reason.

Libertarianism is possible. Anarchism is fantasy not even displayed in nature. There is always some structure in any community of animal life.

Soheran, if you don't watch it, i'll enforce my illegitimate property rights all over your arse. Then i'll use your blood to oil the machinery of my profits, built upon the newly aquired capital inherent in your newly claimed/exploited property.

After that i may go and eat some live kittens and shoot members of the proletariat. *guzzles down a wad of $50 notes*

*burp*

*Shakes head despairingly*

Looks like we need to add yet another to the re-education list.

I recognize anarcho-capitalists as anarchists.

I won't until they recognize that privately-owned states are still states.

If some rich capitalist buys up the world and forms a private military to enforce his or her rule, it's still statism - even if it's consistent with property rights.

If some rich capitalist buys up the world and forms a private military to enforce his or her rule, it's still statism - even if it's consistent with property rights.

You missed how that was setting up my lame joke. :(

I don't have much experience with either group, really.

I had a friend once that claimed that he was a Libertarian. He didn't want to have to pay any taxes to the government at all. I asked him if his money should be responsible for keeping the road in front of his house repaired, and if he wanted to have to pay private school fees for his kids' education - cause those two things alone I'm pretty sure would make up a much larger bill than his yearly tax payment. He blew over me in a stream of 'well I don't want those illegal immigrants/people on welfare/lazy homeless people getting education or health care off my buck' and we didn't talk about it again.

So is he a libertarian or a selfish upper-middle class white jerk? I haven't spoken to him for years for very complicated reasons, but I think about this conversation now and then and get curious.

Trick question. True Libertarians are anarchists/communists/syndicalists.

Next!

This thread should have ended after this post. Shame on you all*. Shame.








*Especially Vittos.

private school fees for his kids' education - cause those two things alone I'm pretty sure would make up a much larger bill than his yearly tax payment.s.

Don't know. My private school fees as a kid made a much smaller fee then my parents' tax bill. Or my tax bill, and I work below minimum wage.

I recognize anarcho-capitalists as anarchists.

It's just with no government they're going to have a hard time enforcing property rights, and when they hire private police/armies, we'll unionise them and they'll go on strike.
Go ahead, i'll just hire non-union law enforcement. You know, the kind that want money.

Right, but if libertarians acknowledge that as small of a state as is possible is a good thing, than they are just an epiphany away from realising that no state is better.

They are a Quantum Leap in difference!

.... someone had to say that.....

I might add that not all libertarians believe that capital is the be all and end all. People like Libertarian Socialists.

I've never met a poor libertarian. Have you?

I don't think I have ever met a libertarian in real life.

Also being socialist usually doesn't mean you have to be dirt poor.

I've never met a poor libertarian. Have you?

i've never met a libertarian.

I suppose this is real funny among communist cliques.

And don't you forget it!

Most communist/anarchists are the intellectual type who spend little time worrying about money.

True, but its meant to be funny.

The glaring exclusion of the upper crust philosophers, Proudhon, took from his humble beginnings a reverence for property that caused him to also declare that property is freedom.

I think this more deals with modern anarchists.

Libertarians are far more often to work for bosses than the anarchists who can typically afford to avoid them.

Which do you honestly think is more prevalent among the working class, libertarianism or anarchism?

I'm pretty sure anarchism (particularly left-wing anarchism) is much more prevalent among the working class. I'm working class, and I know quite a few other working class anarchists in the area.

We all get mugged by the police.

That's true.

They shouldn't be fought?

Jokes are meant to be funny.

They are both right.

:)

Bullshit.

I know. It's supposed to be a joke.

There is a large libertarian movement that thinks that political action is pointless or corrosive to the movement.

I know. Tell that to the Libertarian Party USA.

I've never met a poor libertarian. Have you?
I have. Most I've met are middle class though, like myself. Not rich nor poor.

Libertarians aren't batshit crazy.

I know. Tell that to the Libertarian Party USA.

I have little respect for the Libertarian Party.

*Especially Vittos.

You are probably right, but I had to put my two cents in.

I hate libertarians.

Anarchists (at least rational, logical ones) believe that we should strive towards a time when genuine anarchy (i.e., pure communism) will be possible, because people will be ready to live a life of mutual help and mutual responsability, without greed or selfishness, and hence without the need of a State. T'is a noble goal, but clearly impossible within our lifetimes, except on a very small scale.

"Extreme" libertarians (anarcho-capitalists) are, in my opinion, utterly irrational, since they believe that man in his present condition - and, what is more, with an emphasis on capitalist selfishness - is ready for anarchy, or may be one day while retaining a capitalist mindset.

Interestingly, the word "libertaire" in French usually refers to "left-wing anarchists".

I'm an anarcho-capitalist. Does that mean I throw a brick through my own windshield?

Please do.

Libertarians aren't batshit crazy.

Indeed. They are bat guano crazy. Important distinction.

:p

Kidding, kidding...

What's the difference between libertarians and anarchists?

Hmmm.... Libertarians like to create (businesses), while anarchists like to destroy?

I dunno. Both seem naive though.

I would have to say I dislike both anarchists and libertarians.