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I hate people who don't shovel. Ticket them!

I see at least one of my neighbor's who still hasn't shoveled. Walking to and from school in a foot of snow three days after it snowed is going to be fun. Grr....

Since it just snowed, or sleeted rather, here in New Jersey, I as the oldest child...well as one of the childs had to clear the sidewalk and cars because it is illegal if you don't. They can ticket you apparently if you don't. So I happily cleared the sidewalk and cars and noticed the next day(today) that about half the houses are still uncleared. Now if half the town is uncleared, how can they deal with all the tickets they give out. And I don't recall ever seeing police cars roam around looking for uncleared sidewalks. Wouldn't that be a waste of money to send a few officers around just to ticket uncleared sidewalks? Most people will clear it anyway because they need to or it's just the right thing to do. Then again, who in their right mind would take a walk around the block after it just snowed?

Time for an anecdote. This arsehole kid a few houses down said his mom once called the cops because someone didn't have their sidewalk cleared. What an arsehole! I strongly dislike that weird family. The kid always threatens to take you to guidance if you think about punching him...

So yeah...what was I talking about again?

Poll Ahoy

i hate people who don't shovel. Ticket them!

@warp: NICE JOB COMRADE!

Well, where I live (Ohio), I don't clear the sidewalk. The reason being:

1) Snow is an 'Act of God', and in this state, you're not held responsible for clearing it, or for someone injuring themselves because the walk was not cleared.

2) However, if you do decide to clear the walk, and you don't do a good enough job, you can be held responsible if someone injures themselves because of your shoddy-ass shovel job.

Figure that one out. :rolleyes:

@warp: NICE JOB COMRADE!

Damn commies.



:p

It would make much more sense to deal with the snowplow aggravation. Sure, even if you do a spotless job of shoveling your driveway, when they plow the roads it gives you a nice thick barrier of snow blocking your driveway! :headbang:

Snow is a blessing. Dont mess with snow. Wait ten years without it and you'll understand.

People own the pavement outside their houses?

Well, no, but it's the law here to clear the snow off of them, cause the local gov. doesn't have the resources to clear all of them and people need to be able to walk outside, or something.

What's snow? :p

I live the tropics. Moving liquid snow isn't nice ...

People own the pavement outside their houses?

Well, no, but it's the law here to clear the snow off of them, cause the local gov. doesn't have the resources to clear all of them and people need to be able to walk outside, or something.

So the government owns the pavement, but makes you clear it or else fines you?

So the government owns the pavement, but makes you clear it or else fines you?

As far as i can tell, yeah. But I'm sure they have ways of making it sound nicer than that. I think the official reason is so that mail can be delivered everyday, but I'm not sure where I heard that.

Time for an anecdote. This arsehole kid a few houses down said his mom once called the cops because someone didn't have their sidewalk cleared. What an arsehole! I strongly dislike that weird family. The kid always threatens to take you to guidance if you think about punching him...

Fucking snitches.. I hate them.
Poll Ahoy

Well now I just want cookies. Great job.






Em.. yeah, we don't have sidewalks in this little village.

So the government owns the pavement, but makes you clear it or else fines you?

I don't know about New York, but in PA, you own the sidewalk in front of your house. You have to shovel, you have to keep it safe.

I hate people who don't shovel. Ticket them!

I see at least one of my neighbor's who still hasn't shoveled. Walking to and from school in a foot of snow three days after it snowed is going to be fun. Grr....

When I read the title, I thought someone boinked a sidewalk.

That's a relief. Gravel burns would probably suck. :p

I don't know about New York, but in PA, you own the sidewalk in front of your house. You have to shovel, you have to keep it safe.

A quick wiki-ing (that doesn't sound as good as googling) says this: "In some countries, such as the United States, sidewalks are sometimes constructed on private land that the government has obtained an easement to use. Ordinary responsibility for maintaining safe passage of the public, such as snow and ice removal, remains with the property owner."

So, I'm not as sure about my earlier statements....

Snow is a blessing. Dont mess with snow. Wait ten years without it and you'll understand.

QFT.

A quick googling provides this insightful and almost interesting article on the nature of sidewalks in New York.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=990DE7D6163EF936A25751C1A960958260

What a crazy world.

No sidewalk laws around here. When it does snow, it really is an act of god. The last time we had enough snow to worry anoyone on the sidewalk was.... 5 years ago? 10? something like that. I can barely remember it.

The groundspeople for the homeowner's association clears the snow.

I wonder what they do if you secede from the town...

When the snowing stops, however, the city has a ''reasonable time'' to insure that the sidewalks are cleared.

It's great to know the NY Times doesn't know the difference between insure and ensure. Then again, the mistake is so common that it might not be a mistake. English has no de iure standard, just conventions(Oxford, Merriam-Webster,...).

Well take your pick. Don't shovel your sidewalk, and get a fine...and possibly a lawsuit if someone hurts themselves on your unshoveled walk.

Or just get off your ass and clean it.

Anywhere I've lived, there were kids willing to do it for you for like $5 a shot. Clearly less expensive than the aforementioned fine/lawsuit, hmmm?

You'd think it would be a common sense, polite thing to do. But people are assholes, so bylaws kick in.

on the bright side, its been sunny here every day since the year began and 80ish every day for the past week.

i love bad weather in other places.

Well, where I live (Ohio), I don't clear the sidewalk. The reason being:

1) Snow is an 'Act of God', and in this state, you're not held responsible for clearing it, or for someone injuring themselves because the walk was not cleared.

2) However, if you do decide to clear the walk, and you don't do a good enough job, you can be held responsible if someone injures themselves because of your shoddy-ass shovel job.

Figure that one out. :rolleyes:

I hear that's true here as well.

I wonder what they do if you secede from the town...

Like that guy from Lethal Weapon 3...

People own the pavement outside their houses?

I know here in my town you're responsible for the sidewalk that runs across your property. Shoveling and repairs are the property owner's problem, not the city.


Lot of the sidewalks here are really shitty.

I can't stop laughing at the idea of clearing sidewalks back in Michigan. Just walk through the freakin' snow. I mean, seriously, the place you started at is covered again by the time you get to the other side.

Growing up I not only cleared our sidewalk but also the much bigger part of our elderly neighbors. Didn't kill me, but more importantly, nobody broke their neck because the sidewalk was iced over.

It really isn't that big of a deal and I always considered it a good workout before breakfast and school.

(And yes, I am the older sibling. :p)

Well, where I live (Ohio), I don't clear the sidewalk. The reason being:

1) Snow is an 'Act of God', and in this state, you're not held responsible for clearing it, or for someone injuring themselves because the walk was not cleared.

2) However, if you do decide to clear the walk, and you don't do a good enough job, you can be held responsible if someone injures themselves because of your shoddy-ass shovel job.

Figure that one out. :rolleyes:

In Denver home owners have 24 to clear their sidewalks, businesses have 6. Something like that. We had so much snow from December to early February I think they actually did hand out summonses, he first time in a really long time.

Seriously, though, shoveling the sidewalk is the neighborly thing to do. It's not like you get all that much exercise anyway.

My town has neither sidewalks nor snow. Muah ha ha.

My town has neither sidewalks nor snow. Muah ha ha.

That's the good part. The bad part is, your town is in North Carolina. Muah ha ha, yerself. :p

My town has neither sidewalks nor snow. Muah ha ha.
That is sad and even sadder.

(Talking of snow, last night around 00:45 I rode my bike home through a snowstorm!)

That's the good part. The bad part is, your town is in North Carolina. Muah ha ha, yerself. :p

Yes, but fortunately North Carolina does not tolerate noise pollution nor any other type of pollution.

Then again, it is the state of abstinence-only....

Since it just snowed, or sleeted rather, here in New Jersey, I as the oldest child...well as one of the childs had to clear the sidewalk and cars because it is illegal if you don't. They can ticket you apparently if you don't. So I happily cleared the sidewalk and cars and noticed the next day(today) that about half the houses are still uncleared. Now if half the town is uncleared, how can they deal with all the tickets they give out. And I don't recall ever seeing police cars roam around looking for uncleared sidewalks. Wouldn't that be a waste of money to send a few officers around just to ticket uncleared sidewalks? Most people will clear it anyway because they need to or it's just the right thing to do. Then again, who in their right mind would take a walk around the block after it just snowed?

Time for an anecdote. This arsehole kid a few houses down said his mom once called the cops because someone didn't have their sidewalk cleared. What an arsehole! I strongly dislike that weird family. The kid always threatens to take you to guidance if you think about punching him...

So yeah...what was I talking about again?

Poll Ahoy

They manage to ticket cars. Sidewalks are easier to spot.

I can't stop laughing at the idea of clearing sidewalks back in Michigan. Just walk through the freakin' snow. I mean, seriously, the place you started at is covered again by the time you get to the other side.

You clear AFTER the snow stops.

My town has neither sidewalks nor snow. Muah ha ha.

I hate when there are no sidewalks or path...

Whether you clear the snow or not, your stretch of pavement is still going to be wet and slippery after a while (unless you are expected to sit there all day with a cordless hair-dryer ensuring it stays at a stable temperature), and thus, passersby are just as likely to trip or fall, when there is actually a few inches of snow there then that will cushion that fall, but if its all been cleared then you are just going to smack yourself onto the hard concrete.

So really, clearing your pavement seems to be the bigger threat to public safety.