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..... thats just wrong. and anyone who would stand by watching our wounded soldiers being spat upon is also wrong.


I agree. If I witnessed someone spit on a soldier,my reaction would be immediate and unpleasant.

If someone spit on me,I consider that assault. Again-the reaction would be immediate and overwhelming.

Plus-I'm a really good spitter.

Our soldiers should be provided with the best care,medication and procedures available.
They should be treated with dignity and respect by their care-givers.

They should expect and recieve the best follow-up care and therapy/rehab.

They should also be able to enter & leave the care facility without being assaulted or harrased.



If anyone opposes the military actions or simply hates the military, take it up with the bosses-not the grunts. Not the ones that REALLY sacraficed.

Your cause will get no positive attention or respect from me,or anyone else with a functioning mind, if you think directing abuse toward a soldier,wounded or not, will further your cause and get your point across.

You're much more likely to bring me down to your level,where I would consider yelling at you,insulting you...and maybe degrade to threats and ultimately violence. Maybe at your home or job. Or likewise a place that makes it more inconvenient or uncomfortable for you.

im thinking that that is the opinion of the vast majority of people no matter how they feel about the war in iraq.

and anyone who disagrees and acts to abuse a wounded soldier needs to be shown that this is unacceptable behavior. it might be different in the civilized east but here in new mexico it would be hard to find a jury who would convict someone of assault for striking an asshole who spit on a wounded soldier.

it might be different in the civilized east but here in new mexico it would be hard to find a jury who would convict someone of assault for striking an asshole who spit on a wounded soldier.

I'd go further than that - I doubt they'd even be charged, let alone taken to court.
In the UK, spitting on someone is classed as common assault, and you are entitled to protect yourself or another person from being assaulted. I doubt that US law is very different in this respect.

Frankly, if this was actually happening then surely the police would be there to sort it out in no time? Otherwise, a massive fight would be the only possible outcome.

I'd go further than that - I doubt they'd even be charged, let alone taken to court.
In the UK, spitting on someone is classed as common assault, and you are entitled to protect yourself or another person from being assaulted. I doubt that US law is very different in this respect.

Frankly, if this was actually happening then surely the police would be there to sort it out in no time? Otherwise, a massive fight would be the only possible outcome.

i think youre right. if the protestors were that aggressive there would be constant physical fights unless the police were there to keep everyone in line.

"Only spit in a man's face if his mustache is on fire." *nod*

Spit on the ground. That's been reported before. It's not common, but it happens. I wouldn't do it personally, but by the same token, I wouldn't spit on Sparling if he were on fire either. Got to be consistent, after all.

I have to agree. Sorry, Eve, but spitting on the ground is worlds away from spitting directly on a person. Also, you were supposed to have images from WR, where you say that protesters are spitting ON soldiers CONSTANTLY.

I remain completely serious in what I said before: if you have evidence that what you claim is really going on, and if you remain unwilling or unable to come forward to the media or authorities about it, I will do so personally. Give me your photos or your footage of the constant spitting and harassment in front of WR, and I will stand forward with it.

I strongly urge you to treat this matter with the seriousness it deserves. If you are really witnessing these kinds of harassment (bordering on assault) constantly occuring in front of WR, then please don't just stand by.

Now, now, let's not nitpick. after all, spitting at someone doesn't mean hitting them with saliva, it means spitting at them, hit or miss.

However, that's ONE account. not the widespread account that was maintained. (tho I can see where ONE could wildfire out to everywhere with retelling and so forth.)

and the NYTimes link points to Iraq War. now about the claim of this happening during Vietnam?

and happening all over the world?

Now, now, let's not nitpick. after all, spitting at someone doesn't mean hitting them with saliva, it means spitting at them, hit or miss.

However, that's ONE account. not the widespread account that was maintained. (tho I can see where ONE could wildfire out to everywhere with retelling and so forth.)

and the NYTimes link points to Iraq War. now about the claim of this happening during Vietnam?

and happening all over the world?

the difference to me was that it wasnt some protestor spitting at a soldier minding his own business. they were in a confrontation started by the vet that escalated until both men spit on the ground towards the other.

the stories that matter are those where a soldier is walking down an airport concourse or otherwise trying to mind his own business and some piece of shit protestor spit right on him with no provocation.

the stories that matter are those where a soldier is walking down an airport concourse or otherwise trying to mind his own business and some piece of shit protestor spit right on him with no provocation.

Quite so. I've never really understood that 'you're in uniform; you're a baby killer' attitude. If we accept that war is evil and that only lies and propaganda get people to participate in it, then surely the soldiers are victims of those lies, and as such they deserve compassion and understanding.

the difference to me was that it wasnt some protestor spitting at a soldier minding his own business. they were in a confrontation started by the vet that escalated until both men spit on the ground towards the other.

the stories that matter are those where a soldier is walking down an airport concourse or otherwise trying to mind his own business and some piece of shit protestor spit right on him with no provocation.

agreed. and that, like the claim that it was widespread, is not what I am cautioning against, when one starts nitpicking about "it was on the ground and not on the soldier" then their argument looses something.

any word on those video's yet?

Quite so. I've never really understood that 'you're in uniform; you're a baby killer' attitude. If we accept that war is evil and that only lies and propaganda get people to participate in it, then surely the soldiers are victims of those lies, and as such they deserve compassion and understanding.

I walked into one of my classes this semester for the first time in uniform. The TA took a glance at me, and proceeded to ask if they taught me to kill women and children.

True story.

any word on those video's yet?

I think we'll be waiting a long time for those.

I walked into one of my classes this semester for the first time in uniform. The TA took a glance at me, and proceeded to ask if they taught me to kill women and children.

True story.

Bizarre, and depressing. What country are you in, and do they have an equivalent of the Poppy Appeal?
http://www.poppy.org.uk/
With very few exceptions, even staunch pacifists can be seen wearing red poppies around Remembrance Day.

Bizarre, and depressing. What country are you in, and do they have an equivalent of the Poppy Appeal?
http://www.poppy.org.uk/
With very few exceptions, even staunch pacifists can be seen wearing red poppies around Remembrance Day.

US of A. Haven't heard of the Poppy Appeal, though it's a good idea from what I can tell.

Honestly, I laughed at her and said no. She replied that her father told her that's what they taught him.

She stopped talking to me after I said I'm going to go out on a limb and say that he was dishonorably discharged from service. Wonder why?

interesting link. thanks for posting it.

i was beginning to worry that these people were some kind of westboro baptist types who blame the troops and harass wounded soldiers. i was starting to make plans of my own to go over this summer when ill be in the area and devote one day of my vacaton to busting these assholes.

but i see that they try to avoid unpleasant confrontation with those patients who obviously feel passionately the other way. the blogger doesnt like it but at least they are avoiding unnecessary fights.

And they very well may turn out to be--if ANSWER is involved, all bets are off. I've refused to go to protests they were involved with in the past because they often go to an extreme I'm uncomfortable with. But one thing is for sure--they're not even close to the majority of the 60% or so that wants the US out of Iraq in a year.

Now, now, let's not nitpick. after all, spitting at someone doesn't mean hitting them with saliva, it means spitting at them, hit or miss.

Right. But spitting at THEIR BODY is different from intentionally spitting NEAR them but not on them.

It's like the difference between flipping somebody off and pushing them. With the first, you do not in any way contact another person's body, nor are you trying to do so. With the second, you are intentionally making physical contact with another person's body.

Context also matters. If you've got two people on different sides at a protest, and they're hollering and going back and forth, and then one of them spits at (or on) the other, I consider that quite different than if you've got a protester spitting on somebody who was simply trying to walk home or go into a hospital or something.

Right. But spitting at THEIR BODY is different from intentionally spitting NEAR them but not on them.

It's like the difference between flipping somebody off and pushing them. With the first, you do not in any way contact another person's body, nor are you trying to do so. With the second, you are intentionally making physical contact with another person's body.

Context also matters. If you've got two people on different sides at a protest, and they're hollering and going back and forth, and then one of them spits at (or on) the other, I consider that quite different than if you've got a protester spitting on somebody who was simply trying to walk home or go into a hospital or something.true, but then for all the Spitting stories I heard here, only a fraction mentioned no arguments. the rest didn't touch upon cause.

and TBH... I wouldn't get mad enough to spit at anyone... why would I give them genetic material...

I notice that despite saying he already had two videos supporting his claim Deep Online - I mean Eve Kimchi - whoever - still hasn't actually POSTED them.

I notice that despite saying he already had two videos supporting his claim Deep Online - I mean Eve Kimchi - whoever - still hasn't actually POSTED them.
... they're going through post production work now...

I notice that despite saying he already had two videos supporting his claim Deep Online - I mean Eve Kimchi - whoever - still hasn't actually POSTED them.

maybe he's spending the day in jail since he went to walter reed to get video of those protestors spitting on patients and lost control.

the difference to me was that it wasnt some protestor spitting at a soldier minding his own business. they were in a confrontation started by the vet that escalated until both men spit on the ground towards the other.

the stories that matter are those where a soldier is walking down an airport concourse or otherwise trying to mind his own business and some piece of shit protestor spit right on him with no provocation.

And to think I've been missing out on this thread. Protestors and soldiers spitting at each other? Sounds like something to make the newsies drool. :p

I notice that despite saying he already had two videos supporting his claim Deep Online - I mean Eve Kimchi - whoever - still hasn't actually POSTED them.

You'll be waiting quite sometime for those videos.