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Tired of Star Wars vs. Star Trek? But not tired of geeky threads in general? Well, take a gander at this one.

Assuming a war between these three species/machines/whatever, who would you bet on?

My personal money has to go to the Daleks, both for history and for sheer attitude. Consider- the Dalek have survived at least three events that were meant to destroy all Daleks. The end of the Time War, Rose Tyler's goddiness, and the Doctor opening the void to suck them all in. As far as attitude- "This is not war! This is pest control!"

Replicators. They have all the real advantages: they never have to really die, but retain individuality; largely immune to most weapons; highly adaptable. The Borg would be slaughtered, though the Daleks would probably survive via their temporal control technologies.

Zerg Rush for the win.

The Dalek Empire is one of the few races capable of challenging the might (and technology) of the Timelords. They cannot truly die due to their time manipulation tech. If you kill them in one timeline, they'll appear in another.

I voted Dalek because I was feeling patriotic. But I think it would be a hard fight to call.

I vote borg because I think theyre cool

The replicators would win because they can make them selves out of anything and BECOME the technology they take apart and use to make more of them selves. This is one reason. The other reason is the sheer numbers would win by over whelming their opponent. Plus they are tough and very resistant to most weapons. So if they take apart a DALEK, the ability to time travel would be built into then and can use like the way a human breathes. Borg would lose against them because they would take apart their ships and control it and most likely be able to take over the controls that control the borg.

The replicators would win because they can make them selves out of anything and BECOME the technology they take apart and use to make more of them selves. This is one reason. The other reason is the sheer numbers would win by over whelming their opponent. Plus they are tough and very resistant to most weapons. So if they take apart a DALEK, the ability to time travel would be built into then and can use like the way a human breathes. Borg would lose against them because they would take apart their ships and control it and most likely be able to take over the controls that control the borg.

They wouldn't be able to take apart a Dalek. Their shields are impassable.

They wouldn't be able to take apart a Dalek. Their shields are impassable.

Several of them were destroyed, shields and all, by the Ann Droid though.

Tired of Star Wars vs. Star Trek? But not tired of geeky threads in general? Well, take a gander at this one.

Assuming a war between these three species/machines/whatever, who would you bet on?

My personal money has to go to the Daleks, both for history and for sheer attitude. Consider- the Dalek have survived at least three events that were meant to destroy all Daleks. The end of the Time War, Rose Tyler's goddiness, and the Doctor opening the void to suck them all in. As far as attitude- "This is not war! This is pest control!"

Agreed.
Also, they're just the pwnage anyway. I mean, come on: several hundred Daleks against five million Cybermen and the Cybermen get utterly destroyed?
I'd imagine anything that's that powerful could quite easily take down anything they wanted...
Apart from the Doctor.

Ilaer

Ok here comes the geeky time! Two were destroyed in that episode, one by captain jack with somesort of space bazooka, blew the top off, and the anndroid fires a transmat beam. The dalek may not have been destroyed by this as it was moved. It could however have been moved into something deadly to daleks, like the sun or the centre of the earth. One more after extremely persistant fire of the future machine guns had its eye stalk broken. The cybermen came close to destroying one in the end of series 2, but didnt manage it in time.

Ok here comes the geeky time! Two were destroyed in that episode, one by captain jack with somesort of space bazooka, blew the top off, and the anndroid fires a transmat beam. The dalek may not have been destroyed by this as it was moved. It could however have been moved into something deadly to daleks, like the sun or the centre of the earth. One more after extremely persistant fire of the future machine guns had its eye stalk broken. The cybermen came close to destroying one in the end of series 2, but didnt manage it in time.

I know. :D
They're still the pwnage no matter what you may say.

Ilaer

Ok here comes the geeky time! Two were destroyed in that episode, one by captain jack with somesort of space bazooka, blew the top off, and the anndroid fires a transmat beam. The dalek may not have been destroyed by this as it was moved. It could however have been moved into something deadly to daleks, like the sun or the centre of the earth. One more after extremely persistant fire of the future machine guns had its eye stalk broken. The cybermen came close to destroying one in the end of series 2, but didnt manage it in time.

Wait, the Anndroid fired a transmat beam? I thought it was pretty clear that the contestants were being disintergrated, not transmatted.

The purpose of the gamestation was to provide humans to the daleks for construction of new daleks and also to produce a cloaking beacon, to disguise the daleks from their enemies. Therefore the beam is a transmat.

The purpose of the gamestation was to provide humans to the daleks for construction of new daleks and also to produce a cloaking beacon, to disguise the daleks from their enemies. Therefore the beam is a transmat.

This is just inference then?

Borg, cos I clicked randomly.

Consider- the Dalek have survived at least three events that were meant to destroy all Daleks.

Good ratings and a lack of writer's imagination will do that.

The purpose of the gamestation was to provide humans to the daleks for construction of new daleks and also to produce a cloaking beacon, to disguise the daleks from their enemies. Therefore the beam is a transmat.

I just noticed your name and sig.
I assume you're a fan of Terry Pratchett then? :D

Although Night Watch was brilliant, you should've quoted from Thud!.
It was such a good book it's unbelievable.

Ilaer

Good ratings and a lack of writer's imagination will do that.

Yes, because the continued use of Borg is entirely due to their merits.

Yes, because the continued use of Borg is entirely due to their merits.

Most of Star Trek is god awful as well.

I suppose it all depends on which Daleks youre talking about. The original ones were pretty pathetic, but I suppose they had to be for the first doctor to defeat them.

When you get up to the most current series, they are the most powerful creatures in existence. They managed to defeat the time lords plus all the other species involved in the great time war (there were a lot of mentions of many races being involved).

Daleks kick ass - nothing more to it. Nearly impenetrable shielding, powerful weapons, massive regeneration, and just amazing power. Throw in the ability to time travel plus the ability to build a voidship, which was beyond even the time lords (they just thought they were theoretical).

The Borg are pretty pathetic. They might be able to defeat a few starships (which are very primitive technology compared to what the Daleks face) but the only fear the borg could generate would be based upon the thought that they assimilate people (and thus your friends and family could come back to face you as borg). They are made irrelevant simply by technological limitations.

I dont know all that much of the replicators, but they dont seem like much of a problem. Far more dangerous than the borg, but still nothing compared to the advanced Daleks.

Still... the Borg may be the least dangerous of the three, but they are by far the coolest. Resistance in futile.

When you get up to the most current series, they are the most powerful creatures in existence.

http://www.interocitor-media.com/tardis/dalek/schem_front.jpg

Oh isn't British television so delightfully zanny! Look how they don't even try to make a shows main villain appear menacing at all. It's so clever!!!!11!! HAHAHAHA!!!1!!!1!JOP@iopj2iopjio
:rolleyes:

I hardly think the daleks would stand a chance against the other two : can you really see something as small as a dalek standing a chance against the gigantic force of the borg, which possesses millions of ships (borg cubes) with superior power and technology? Not to mention the borg would be able to adapt. Even as a ig fan of star trek, and the borg (i dedicated my nation to them) i would have to give this win to the replicators, however, My vote still goes to the borg for how cool they are ;)
On a side note, the Species 8472 from star trek would be able to defeat all three of these forces combined, if anyone knows about them, they'll most likely agree with me.

The Borg? Which ones? Next Generation or Voyager? If it's Voyager, then definitely the Replicators, but if we're talking Next Generation Borg, then you'd better start running because everyone's turning into Borg faster than you can say "Oh holy shit they're TNG Borg!"

As for the Daleks...I know nothing of them.

Imagine if they all fused... The assimilation of the Borg + the replicator's replication + the Dalek's time powers...

The Borg are Cybermen Light and the Federation has developed ways to kick their ass over time. So they'd be third place.

The Daleks are deadly as long as they're sitting pretty in their chassis with their time technology. Outside of it, a sushi chef could kick their asses. Second place.

Which leaves the Replicators. A species of advanced nanobots that can't be truly destroyed. In fact the only way they were "killed" is by having the nanobot network disrupted to the point where the colonies could no longer function as a collective and so shut down. Find a way to re-establish the network and there's hell to pay.

don't know much about the replicators nor the daleks... except from the EARLY doc Who stories...


but what you dont' realize is that all three will be destroyed.

take the situation...

the borg will adapt to the Dalek's sheilding. all they need is one Dalek. also, they can adapt to the Dalek and replicator's weapons.

the Replicators are only as good as their materials. (they once absorbed the materials of an old russian sub, and so automatic weapons could destroy them.)

can't say much about the Daleks, but they are Butt Kicking in their own way...

so what happens. Aall three aborb and adapt to each other... forming a new race/entity... the Repliboreks.

Aall three aborb and adapt to each other... forming a new race/entity... the Repliboreks.

For a second I saw "Repliborats". Now that would be scary.

The Daleks would win, the borg and replicators have nothing on mobile trash cans with plungers.

For a second I saw "Repliborats". Now that would be scary.

*Shudders...*

then keep praying that the Earth doesn't fail to stop them...

Well the Borg would have the advantage over the Daleks as they could adapt to the energy weapons that the Darleks use, however the Darleks would be difficult to assimilate, but not impossible. The Darleks would also have difficulty with the replicators, as their energy weapons would just be absorbed by them, in the same way they were with Zat niktatal blasts and staff blasts. We are somewhat uncertian about the Borg's ability to adapt to chemical weapons, but I would imagine that its not beyond the wit of the Borg. The replicators could proberbly eat at the Daleks, the same way they can with ships etc and kill the aliens inside. So I think the Daleks come last, then the replicators and the borg have a stand off...

Edit
And though the Borg could assimilate the bug replicators made of macroscopic pieces, the humanoid replicators could indeed give the Borg a run for their money.

This is just inference then?

No, it was clearly established in that episode. The whole purpose was to transmat them - as demonstrated when it happened to Rose.

As for the question... Daleks, of course. When one of them said a single Dalek could take on 5 million Cybermen and win, I don't think it was kidding. It could probably do the same with a few hundred thousand Borg.

I just noticed your name and sig.
I assume you're a fan of Terry Pratchett then? :D

Although Night Watch was brilliant, you should've quoted from Thud!.

Ah, Terry Pratchett, him diamond!

Ah, Terry Pratchett, him diamond!



'Him who hold him head above him heart,
Him diamond.'

'Where's my cow?
Is that my cow?
It goes 'HRRRUNGH'!
It is a pig!
That's not my cow!'



Ilaer

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TNG Borg would assimilate the replicators and use that technology to conquere the Daleks. Voyager Borg would get eaten by the replicators who'd then eat the Daleks. Voyager ruined the Borg!

The purpose of the gamestation was to provide humans to the daleks for construction of new daleks and also to produce a cloaking beacon, to disguise the daleks from their enemies. Therefore the beam is a transmat.

The Emperor didn't need living humans, though; just genetic material to sift through. I don't think it's a particularly sensitive transmst beam...

The Daleks would win.

You can't beat tin cans with laser guns and hovertech who time-travel! :p

You can't beat tin cans with laser guns and hovertech who time-travel! :p

Time travel, eh? I've got seven people who could stop them.

You can't beat tin cans with laser guns and hovertech who time-travel! :p

Tell that to the guy in the phone booth :p

http://www.zeigermann.com/cartoonist/images/2005/06/18/daleks.jpg
WE ARE THE DALEKS! WE WILL EXTERMINATE YOU ALL! YOU WILL ALL BOW TO THE DALEKS! EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!

Tell that to the guy in the phone booth :p

Not everyone lives in a time machine and has a chicky babe as a constant companion. :D

I choose reavers. :)

I'll go with Daleks. I was reading something about the Daleks the other day, it was either from one of the radio shows or some other possibly/probably non-canonical fare - but they had "conquered" an entire other galaxy by triggering off some event (black holes? radiation? can't remember) that killed all life in that galaxy prior to their colonizing it. I mean, you've got to hand it to them, the Daleks always think BIG.

And that's why I'll choose the Daleks. 'Cause they don't fuck around.

I choose reavers. :)

Nah. The Reavers are scary, but a big part of that is reputation. Though it wasn't explicity stated, it was pretty clear from the fact that the Alliance members weren't all dead that they came out ahead of the Reavers in that big fight, and the Alliance is relatively low-tech compared to the other options here.

Of course, the Borg have time travel as well (First Contact), but I don't expect that to be a major problem for the Daleks. As a matter of fact, contact with a time traveler can be beneficial for Daleks.

Here's a question- have we ever seen the Borg absorb technology directly? The Queen didn't just assimilate Data, and general Borg practice seems to be to kill/assimilate the people on a ship, and then to transform the ship into a Borg ship. Would they even be able to assimilate the replicators/Dalek shells?

Here's a question- have we ever seen the Borg absorb technology directly? The Queen didn't just assimilate Data, and general Borg practice seems to be to kill/assimilate the people on a ship, and then to transform the ship into a Borg ship. Would they even be able to assimilate the replicators/Dalek shells?

I don't recall seeing them absorb it directly.

I think assimilating a Dalek through its' casing would be any extraordinarily difficult proposition, though. Funny - both are cybernetic beings, but the basic Dalek design (metal shell outside, soft squidgy mutant inside) vs. the Borg design(bipedal hodge-podge) would seem unassailable.

Dalek weapons seem thoroughly effective at killing organic tissues - I wonder if the Daleks would simply kill the organic portions of approaching Borg drones en masse, and be done with it.

Reavers are wimps. And they have no means of replication, so they'll die out in a generation or so (which is why Firefly's Federation hasn't bothered going after them - it's a self solving problem).

The Borg use nanotech injections to assimilate enemies quickly. The Replicators are nanotech, and so would be immune. Daleks would be immune unless the injectors could reach the mutant inside - through a thick dalekinium shell? Fat Chance!

Oh, goddess. Going geek mode:
The Borg, dispite their reputation, loose consistantly to Starfleet, when there are encounters. They couldn't distroy or assimilate a light cruiser (Voyager) that was in their space for years, and that had disssed the Quean personaly (don't say 'they let Voyager escape', becaues that is only true up till Dark Fronter in Season 5). There are species in the Delta Quadrent with only one planet that have withstood Borg attacks for centuries. The Borg are, in scale, a power that controls one corrner of a single galaxy. Their fearsome assimilation tech is so weak it couldn't assimalate Data, a run of the mill android. /Sarcasam/ Naturaly it could take tech beyond the Asgard, and a species that not only survived, but beat the Time War era Time Lords (to the semi-geek, let's just say this is like beating the Q, or better, and leave it at that) /Sarcasam/.
The Relecators (durring season 8 of SG-1) are an intergalactic power with tech beyond that of the Asgard. They can asssimilate tech the way Borg are only wanked to be able to do. They do loose to tech built by the Ancents, who barely have time travel tech, and were wiped out by a simple Prior Plague (a mite behind the Time Lords, then).
The Daleks, on the other hand, beat the Time War era Time Lords. 'Nuf said. Seriously, just look up what that means.
I'm a Yank, and (mostly) have a liking for American SciFi (can't get Dr. Who or Blake's 7 DVDs over here!), but in the catagory of most wank, I've got to give it to the Brits amoung us. :p

Reavers are wimps. And they have no means of replication, so they'll die out in a generation or so (which is why Firefly's Federation hasn't bothered going after them - it's a self solving problem).

The series seemed to suggest that people could be made Reavers through prolonged exposure.

The series seemed to suggest that people could be made Reavers through prolonged exposure.

"They'll rape us to death, sew our skins into their clothing, and eat us. And if we're very lucky, it'll be in that order."

Prolonged Exposure?

"They'll rape us to death, sew our skins into their clothing, and eat us. And if we're very lucky, it'll be in that order."

Prolonged Exposure?

No, no, he's right. In 'Bushwacked' they left one member of the attacked transport alive, but forced him to witness the horrible demise of the others. As a result he went crazy, mutilated himself, and basically became a Reaver.

For a second I saw "Repliborats". Now that would be scary.
*dies* My imagination is way too vivid.


As for the answer, I can't decide between the Daleks and the Replicators.

The Borgs have the hottest outfits, and the Daleks the coolest voices (not to mention intonation), but the Replicators are just plain nasty.

No, no, he's right. In 'Bushwacked' they left one member of the attacked transport alive, but forced him to witness the horrible demise of the others. As a result he went crazy, mutilated himself, and basically became a Reaver.

Good point, I had forgotten that (been a while since I saw the series). Doesn't look very efficient, though.

It is good that you specified we were talking about Stargate's Replicators...

Although it would be hilarious to see what some of Star Trek's replicators would do if they suddenly turned evil.

Although it would be hilarious to see what some of Star Trek's replicators would do if they suddenly turned evil.

I vaguely recall a DS9 episode in which the station itself tried to defend itself against the "non-Cardassian invaders". The replicators created beamweapons to shoot them ;)

Of the races mentioned in the poll, The Borg are the obvious losers. Daleks vs humanform Replicators would be interesting though.

It is good that you specified we were talking about Stargate's Replicators...

Although it would be hilarious to see what some of Star Trek's replicators would do if they suddenly turned evil.

that would be frightening...

After all, the Replicators in Star Trek are so ingrained that society would fail.

I just noticed your name and sig.
I assume you're a fan of Terry Pratchett then? :D

Although Night Watch was brilliant, you should've quoted from Thud!.
It was such a good book it's unbelievable.

Ilaer

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