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Apart from the sheer bigotry and arrogance, this is really dumb if you think about it. Haven't these mullahs learnt their lesson from the Rushdie episode.

This sort of nonsense, only makes the author popular and makes more sales for their books.

http://zeenews.com/articles.asp?aid=360261&sid=NAT
Muslim body announces Rs 5 lakh for Taslima`s head
Bareilly, March 15: President of All India Muslim Personal Board (Jadeed) Maulana Tauqeer Raza Khan today announced a reward of Rs 5 lakh on Bangladeshi writer Tasleema Nasreen's head if New Delhi does not restrict her entry into the country.

Addressing the board's annual meeting here, Tauqeer alleged the Centre was deliberately hurting sentiments of Muslims by not banning her entry to the country.

Noting that Nasreen had made "derogatory references against Prophet Mohammad in her writings", Tauqeer said, "We demand that the government should ban her entry into the country. If it is not done, anyone who beheads her will be given a reward of Rs five lakh," he announced.:mad:

The board had earlier elected Maulana Tauseef Raza Khan as its new President.

Bureau Report


Kaffirs don't have to slander Islam. Muslims like this guy do a pretty good job of it themselves.

I don't think we can call Muhammad a 'prophet'.

His life was a little too, how shall we say, non-prophet-like for that.

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I'm afraid I'm not familiar with the situation. What did she do that has these folks so riled?

Way to be intolerant.

You are not familiar with the "prophet's" life?

I'm afraid I'm not familiar with the situation. What did she do that has these folks so riled?

Doesn't really matter to me. They should pipe down and not be issuing calls for murder.

I don't think we can call Muhammad a 'prophet'.

His life was a little too, how shall we say, non-prophet-like for that.

Way to be intolerant.

I don't think we can call Muhammad a 'prophet'.

His life was a little too, how shall we say, non-prophet-like for that.

How exactly was his life non-prophet like?

I don't think we can call Muhammad a 'prophet'.

His life was a little too, how shall we say, non-prophet-like for that.

I disagree. During his life, Muhammed captured cities and took enemy soldiers for ransom. That definitely suggests that he did in fact make a prophet. Unless you have evidence of tax records showing his non-prophet status, your statement is baseless.

How exactly was his life non-prophet like?

According to the Hadith and the Qur'an, Muhammad and his henchmen plundered their way to power and prosperity. And by putting the Qur'an in chronological order and correlating it with the context of Muhammad's life, you will find that Muhammad's "Allah" mirrored his "prophet's" character (not a coincidence because "Allah" was a figment of Muhammads imagination). Muhammad boasts about being a terrorist. He claims to have deceived men, to have stolen their property, to have enslaved women and children, to having committed acts of murder, genocide, and sadistic tortures.

Quite different from Jesus.

Apart from the sheer bigotry and arrogance, this is really dumb if you think about it. Haven't these mullahs learnt their lesson from the Rushdie episode.

This sort of nonsense, only makes the author popular and makes more sales for their books.

http://zeenews.com/articles.asp?aid=360261&sid=NAT


Kaffirs don't have to slander Islam. Muslims like this guy do a pretty good job of it themselves.

Assholes.

According to the Hadith and the Qur'an, Muhammad and his henchmen plundered their way to power and prosperity. And by putting the Qur'an in chronological order and correlating it with the context of Muhammad's life, you will find that Muhammad's "Allah" mirrored his "prophet's" character (not a coincidence because "Allah" was a figment of Muhammads imagination). Muhammad boasts about being a terrorist. He claims to have deceived men, to have stolen their property, to have enslaved women and children, to having committed acts of murder, genocide, and sadistic tortures.

Quite different from Jesus.

Very true. Jesus was a pot smoking hippy.

Of course, Jesus isn't the only prophet. Moses was a prophet. He boasts about killing the first born of an entire city, destroying their livestock and leading his people on a wild goose chase for fourty years. And he got all of his wisdom from a bush some kid lit on fire while he wasn't looking, though it could easily be a reference to all the hash he must have smoked.

Genocide? Murder? Slavery?

Hm, I think this is also part of the bible...

I honestly used to try and say that everything was even, all things considered and Christians were as bad as Muslims and everyone misunderstands Muslims and all that other stuff.


But now, in all honesty, anyone that acts like this needs to be shot. Plain and simple. The world would be a lot better if every single person that tried to put their religion on someone else was just shot.


I have no sympathy for any person of any religion now.

I'm afraid I'm not familiar with the situation. What did she do that has these folks so riled?

She is educated and writes books....criticizing the ills of the society around her. Unthinkable and outrageous to the misogynistic pricks under the garb of "holy men".

Look up the book "Lajja". That was her first famous book.

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She was a Bangladeshi citizen and is now in exile and lives in West Bengal of India. The wussies that are in the Indian govt cannot muster up enough backbone to grant her citizenship.

She is educated and writes books....criticizing the ills of the society around her. Unthinkable and outrageous to the misogynistic pricks under the garb of "holy men".

Look up the book "Lajja". That was her first famous book.

Are you kidding me?

God, what a bunch of assholes.

Very true. Jesus was a pot smoking hippy.

Of course, Jesus isn't the only prophet. Moses was a prophet. He boasts about killing the first born of an entire city, destroying their livestock and leading his people on a wild goose chase for fourty years. And he got all of his wisdom from a bush some kid lit on fire while he wasn't looking, though it could easily be a reference to all the hash he must have smoked.

Muhammad's life was a long history of rape, murder, plunder, racism and warmongering (amongst other things)?

I don't recall Jesus telling his followers to raze villages to the ground, wipe out the male population and take the females and children for slaves.

Muhammad's life was a long history of rape, murder, plunder, racism and warmongering (amongst other things)?
I never heard of racism or rape before, can you provide a source?

I don't recall Jesus telling his followers to raze villages to the ground, wipe out the male population and take the females and children for slaves.

Jesus was not the only prophet, can you read?

She is educated and writes books....criticizing the ills of the society around her. Unthinkable and outrageous to the misogynistic pricks under the garb of "holy men".

Look up the book "Lajja". That was her first famous book.

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She was a Bangladeshi citizen and is now in exile and lives in West Bengal of India. The wussies that are in the Indian govt cannot muster up enough backbone to grant her citizenship.
ah, so she committed the most heineous of crimes then: Being an indeoendent woman with an opinion.

no wonder they're so angry. And quite right too.

Am I the only one who finds the title of this thread hilarious?

Muhammad's life was a long history of rape, murder, plunder, racism and warmongering (amongst other things)?

I don't recall Jesus telling his followers to raze villages to the ground, wipe out the male population and take the females and children for slaves.

Ok, since you apparently didn't get it, I'll have to supply it to you in a more direct manner.

prophet

• noun (fem. prophetess) 1 an inspired teacher or proclaimer of the will of God. 2 a person who predicts the future. 3 a person who advocates a new belief or theory.

Taken from the Oxford English Dictionary.

Where does it say that he can't murder, rape, or pillage?

Am I the only one who finds the title of this thread hilarious?

You were, until I looked at it again.

• noun (fem. prophetess) 1 an inspired teacher or proclaimer of the will of God. 2 a person who predicts the future. 3 a person who advocates a new belief or theory.


G.W. Bush is a prophet!

G.W. Bush is a prophet!

Yup. Though the God he speaks for doesn't like him much.

Way to be intolerant.

How so? There is nothing wrong with having an opinion negative, or positive of an individual based on his actions. Nearly all my family memer except me are Muslim and they have no problems with anyone else excercising their right of free speech to criticize Muhammad. Not all Muslims are that ridiculously sensitive.

As for Muhammad being non-prophet like, define what constitutes prophet like? Didn't Lot offer his daughters to be raped, Abrahams faithfulness was such that he was willing to sacrafice his own son and didn't Moses kill a man? Now I've read the Hadith and the Quran, and yes there is a lot of orders and examples set for violence in both these texts, it's one of the many reasons I'm no longer Muslim (the main reason actually is that I beleive in evolution). I honestly think that Muhammad started out as a good man trying to improve his community but in his later years, he started following his desires for lust and conquest. I would advise anyone to read the Quran and the hadith and compare how he treated women in his earlier days to how he treats women in his later years. I think Muhammad had somewhat of a split personailty and thats why Islam can be interprted in both a moderate and a fundemenatlist context.

Now what I dont understand is why Christians should be apalled as such by Muhammad, now granted that Islam and Christianity share many of the same prophets but it isn;t like some of Gods representatives (Or indeed God himself) in the Bible were the pinnacle of tolerance and Morality.

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By any chance are you named after the forum?

Am I the only one who finds the title of this thread hilarious?

I also find it hilarious. What kind of idiot came up with a title like that? :p








Actually I copied the link title..so there...

Actually I copied the link title..so there...

The best humor is unintended humor.

I never heard of racism or rape before, can you provide a source?


According to the bible, Jesus was not a prophet, but the son of God.

As for islam and racism:

Tabari II:11 "Shem, the son of Noah was the father of the Arabs, the Persians, and the Greeks; Ham was the father of the Black Africans; and Japheth was the father of the Turks and of Gog and Magog who were cousins of the Turks. Noah prayed that the prophets and apostles would be descended from Shem and kings would be from Japheth. He prayed that the African's color would change so that their descendants would be slaves to the Arabs and Turks."

Tabari II:21 "Ham [Africans] begat all those who are black and curly-haired, while Japheth [Turks] begat all those who are full-faced with small eyes, and Shem [Arabs] begat everyone who is handsome of face with beautiful hair. Noah prayed that the hair of Ham's descendants would not grow beyond their ears, and that whenever his descendants met Shem's, the latter would enslave them."

Tabari IX:69 "Arabs are the most noble people in lineage, the most prominent, and the best in deeds. We were the first to respond to the call of the Prophet. We are Allah's helpers and the viziers of His Messenger. We fight people until they believe in Allah. He who believes in Allah and His Messenger has protected his life and possessions from us. As for one who disbelieves, we will fight him forever in Allah's Cause. Killing him is a small matter to us."

Ishaq:450 "It is your folly to fight the Apostle, for Allah's army is bound to disgrace you. We brought them to the pit. Hell was their meeting place. We collected them there, black slaves, men of no descent.

Ishaq:374 "The black troops and slaves of the Meccans cried out and the Muslims replied, ‘Allah destroy your sight, you impious rascals.'"

By any chance are you named after the forum?

the F1 Insanity forum you mean? ;)

And so Mohammed was just as much a prophet as Moses.

Muhammad was a phoney.

According to the bible, Jesus was not a prophet, but the son of God.

As for islam and racism:

Fetch me the acid and fire. And tacos. I'm hungry.

According to the bible, Jesus was not a prophet, but the son of God.

As for islam and racism:

And so Mohammed was just as much a prophet as Moses.

And so Mohammed was just as much a prophet as Moses.

Yeah. And Moses commited genocide against all those egyptian boys.

According to the Hadith and the Qur'an, Muhammad and his henchmen plundered their way to power and prosperity. And by putting the Qur'an in chronological order and correlating it with the context of Muhammad's life, you will find that Muhammad's "Allah" mirrored his "prophet's" character (not a coincidence because "Allah" was a figment of Muhammads imagination). Muhammad boasts about being a terrorist. He claims to have deceived men, to have stolen their property, to have enslaved women and children, to having committed acts of murder, genocide, and sadistic tortures.

Quite different from Jesus.

EXACTLY! THAT is the point I have tried to get across in other Islam-related threads:
1. That Mohammed's life was unbecoming of a "prophet"
2. That he was unable to tell the future (something a prophet is supposed to be able to do: prophesy)
3. That he is NOT a good role model for Muslims to follow.

They would do MUCH better to pattern their lives after that of Jesus; HE never went about KILLING people, or violating them, or stealing from them; He, according to the Scriptures, "went about doing good".

She is educated and writes books....criticizing the ills of the society around her. Unthinkable and outrageous to the misogynistic pricks under the garb of "holy men".

Look up the book "Lajja". That was her first famous book.

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She was a Bangladeshi citizen and is now in exile and lives in West Bengal of India. The wussies that are in the Indian govt cannot muster up enough backbone to grant her citizenship.

ISLAM, as it is set forth in the "Qu'ran" (Koran), is a misogynistic RELIGION.

Another reason not to adhere to it.

Genocide? Murder? Slavery?

Hm, I think this is also part of the bible...

Yes it is a part of the Bible. What's your point?

According to the bible, Jesus was not a prophet, but the son of God.

You are wrong about Jesus not being a prophet.

He WAS indeed the Son of God, but also a prophet, according to Acts 3:22: "For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you."

Am I the only one who finds the title of this thread hilarious?

No. I think it's funny too; when I saw it I wondered what was so special about "Taslima's head". Also how a "Muslim body", which I presumed to be the dead corpse of a Muslim (get it? lol), could announce ANYTHING.

Muhammad was a phoney.

Riiiight. Thanks for supplying us with your opinion, boy.

the F1 Insanity forum you mean? ;)

The very one (if it's even still going?)

I am sick of comparison threads. Go fight somewhere else.

Why does a thread criticizing mullahs have to degenerate into this nonsense ?

Riiiight. Thanks for supplying us with your opinion, boy.

So I gather you agree with Reagan that 'facts are stupid things'.

Islamic scriptures are very clear on who Muhammad was and what he did. All you need to do is read them properly. All stuff I know about Muhammad and his imaginary friend "Allah" comes straight from the quran, the hadiths, Bukhari etc...

The very one (if it's even still going?)

The Insanity name will live on forever. And it's still going today, though quite a few have left.

How do you know Insanity? :cool:

Have you read 'The cockroach a fare'?
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Campy_Dooly/index.php?showtopic=12

You are wrong about Jesus not being a prophet.

He WAS indeed the Son of God, but also a prophet, according to this book I read

You know what?

There is no more reason to believe that than there is to believe the "there is no god by allah and mohammed is his last prophet" proclamation by muslims.

They too claim miracles and such shit by their prophet. Between you and them, there is not really much difference. Both of you make claims and insist to impose it upon others. They are still violent, while the evanjihadis are smart and are subtle.

Here's the deal. You fundies go fight with them fundies and leave us alone.

So.. how much exactly is 5 lakh, in dollars?

I'm asking for a friend, you see.. :p

The Insanity name will live on forever. And it's still going today, though quite a few have left.

How do you know Insanity? :cool:

Former GPMer, joined Insanity back in the day and posted a bit every now and then.

Have you read 'The cockroach a fare'?
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Campy_Dooly/index.php?showtopic=12

Ah CT. What's he doing now that he dumped GPM?

So I gather you agree with Reagan that 'facts are stupid things'.

Islamic scriptures are very clear on who Muhammad was and what he did. All you need to do is read them properly. All stuff I know about Muhammad and his imaginary friend "Allah" comes straight from the quran, the hadiths, Bukhari etc...

Still doesn't prove he wasn't a prophet.

Still doesn't prove he wasn't a prophet.

The burden of proof is on those who say he was. One cannot prove something wasn't true.

But yes, he could have been a prophet, perhaps he was the messenger of the dark lord himself?

So.. how much exactly is 5 lakh, in dollars?

5 lakh Rs = 5,00,000 Rs ~ (500,000/45) dollars = $ 11,111.

I'm asking for a friend, you see.. :p

It's ok. Don't worry.

I just asked my friend to call the cops. :D

Former GPMer, joined Insanity back in the day and posted a bit every now and then.

Ah CT. What's he doing now that he dumped GPM?

We're not sure what the perverted scout master'ss doing these days, he's been talking up his dotcom enterprises last year but so far nothing has come of it, to our great amusement. If you ever have contact with him ask him about the Silverstone petition :D And about HOT KARL :D

What was your screen name on the old Insanity?

5 lakh Rs = 5,00,000 Rs ~ (500,000/45) dollars = $ 11,111.



It's ok. Don't worry.

I just asked my friend to call the cops. :D

Well it's good to see the exchange rate's at 45. When I went to India back in August 2k3 it had dipped to 48. We were happy, as it meant things cost less for us, but it sucked for everyone else.

Well it's good to see the exchange rate's at 45. When I went to India back in August 2k3 it had dipped to 48. We were happy, as it meant things cost less for us, but it sucked for everyone else.

Not sure how much it actually is now since I haven't sent any money there for a coupla months now. :D

We made a skit at my college about this. Imagine if the exchange rate is reversed and 1 Rs = 45 dollars. A lot of American students are flocking to India to study in a University there...it was funny......I think..:p

Not sure how much it actually is now since I haven't sent any money there for a coupla months now. :D

We made a skit at my college about this. Imagine if the exchange rate is reversed and 1 Rs = 45 dollars. A lot of American students are flocking to India to study in a University there...it was funny......I think..:p

It actually is pretty funny.

I honestly used to try and say that everything was even, all things considered and Christians were as bad as Muslims and everyone misunderstands Muslims and all that other stuff.


But now, in all honesty, anyone that acts like this needs to be shot. Plain and simple. The world would be a lot better if every single person that tried to put their religion on someone else was just shot.


I have no sympathy for any person of any religion now.

Thank god! Somebody who finally fucking GETS IT!

Well, not entirely. But close enough.

5 lakh Rs = 5,00,000 Rs ~ (500,000/45) dollars = $ 11,111.

What a shitty pay for an assasination. I would take nothing less than 50k.

I don't think we can call Muhammad a 'prophet'.

His life was a little too, how shall we say, non-prophet-like for that.Which prophets do you prefer then? Elijah? Isaiah? Jeremiah? Joseph Smith? Tom Cruize?

So I gather you agree with Reagan that 'facts are stupid things'.

Islamic scriptures are very clear on who Muhammad was and what he did. All you need to do is read them properly. All stuff I know about Muhammad and his imaginary friend "Allah" comes straight from the quran, the hadiths, Bukhari etc...

Bub, the bible (http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=500913&lastnode_id=0) is very clear about the violence, blood-lust, misogyny and depravity of some of its prophets, too.
In fact, it would seem that the more violent, the more they pleased god...

The burden of proof is on those who say he was. One cannot prove something wasn't true.

But yes, he could have been a prophet, perhaps he was the messenger of the dark lord himself?

Ok, you go ahead then and prove that Moses was a prophet and Jesus was the son of god.

And "the bible says so" doesn't count as prove, any more then "The Q'ran says so".

Some members of a religion want to be complete tossers and force their lifestyle on to everybody else and stifle opiunions that go against their religion? No shit!

Still, I wouldn't judge the actions of every Indian Muslim (or any other) based on the actions of a few extremely silly (and best) and down right dangerous (at the worst) people. That's the important thing here, I think.

Muhammad was a phoney.

Yeah, I mean who'd believe the shite that comes from some guy wandering round the desert with some hangers on....The heat drives them mad, I reckon...

How exactly was his life non-prophet like?

Prophecy is knowing the future, right? So did Muhammad ever win the lottery or something? No.

I never heard of racism or rape before, can you provide a source?
And the Quran explicitly and implicitly condones slavery in dozens of suras (chapters). Muhammad himself took numerous slaves, mostly women, as spoils of war. Some of the women Muhammad took for himself he called concubines, hardly a consolation to the helpless enslaved women.
http://www.amilimani.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=55&Itemid=2

I once also posted an explanation of the Maliki interpretation of Islamic law which also condoned taking female slaves as concubines. The female slaves don't have a choice of wheather or not they want to fuck their owner. Their husbands were killed in battle trying to protect the family, then Muhammad and his bandits took the women as slaves to be raped at their leisure. It's a fact that cannot be disputed. Look it up.

I am sick of comparison threads. Go fight somewhere else.

Why does a thread criticizing mullahs have to degenerate into this nonsense ?

Islamophobia.

But yes, he could have been a prophet, perhaps he was the messenger of the dark lord himself?

We can say the same things about Jesus, Moses, and Tom Cruise.

And in only ONE of those instances is the accusation true.

Prophecy is knowing the future, right? So did Muhammad ever win the lottery or something? No.

Yes, but by that token, neither did any of the other prophets. They never made profits, either.

Yes, but by that token, neither did any of the other prophets. They never made profits, either.

Fucking false prophets. I'm going to start following the teachings of lottery winners.

Fucking false prophets. I'm going to start following the teachings of lottery winners.

I'd recommend the ones that have all their teeth. It'd be a good place to start.

Amusingly, many modern Jews actually say that Moses may have not existed at all, at least not as a person. What is and isn't a prophet is kind of fuzzy when your so called prophet may have not even existed in the first place.

Strangely enough, if we assume that the atheists are right and there is no God, then that really does beg the question of what the hell was Mohammed doing on that mountain. Yanno, when the angel Gabriel came to deliver him the word of God over the years? No God, no angel, no message, no prophet.

Why can't a murderous, misogynistic, racist, lying bastard just be a murderous, misogynistic, racist, lying bastard?

It's our fault for being stupid enough to believe him. Or, more likely, it's the fault of the aristocrats of Mecca for not offing his head when they had the change. Fucking rabble rouser.

I think I'm going to start a religion called the Annoyatarians. We hook up gigantic sound systems and build our temples right next to churches, synagogues, mosques, and similar structures. Then we schedule our services at the same time as those people. Then we turn on the sound system and a have a giant orgy. And the people in the holy place next to us are welcome to leave their service and join us. We'll turn off the speakers for $500 a week. We will use the money to buy an even bigger sound system. Every time we get all the worshippers to leave, we jack up the price $25.

:D

I think I'm going to start a religion called the Annoyatarians. We hook up gigantic sound systems and build our temples right next to churches, synagogues, mosques, and similar structures. Then we schedule our services at the same time as those people. Then we turn on the sound system and a have a giant orgy. And the people in the holy place next to us are welcome to leave their service and join us. We'll turn off the speakers for $500 a week. We will use the money to buy an even bigger sound system. Every time we get all the worshippers to leave, we jack up the price $25.

:D

Where do I sign up? :D

To end all religious argument, i think that they should replace all holy books with scripts from the life of Brian, it may put a stop to these threads.

Here's the deal. You fundies go fight with them fundies and leave us alone.

... I'll sell tickets for those fights... maybe WWE can sponsor a world tour or something...

anyone wants to work the concessions?

Depends, what's the pay?

you keep the *ahem* prophets! :p

... I'll sell tickets for those fights... maybe WWE can sponsor a world tour or something...

anyone wants to work the concessions?

Depends, what's the pay?

-SNIP-


You know, the fact that the site calls Islam a menace and calls for the complete destruction of the religion kind of throw its neutrality into question.

You know, the fact that the site calls Islam a menace and calls for the complete destruction of the religion kind of throw its neutrality into question.

OK, didn't really look at the site. How about you just go and get some Hadiths and read through them. Muslims nowadays mostly play down the history of slavery and concubinage in the religion. You're more likely to find it on anti-muslim sites, but it remains in the Hadith. Do your own research.

anyway, here's an explanation of slavery and concubinage in Islam accordint to Maliki Islamic law. I know it's not PC to point out that Islam condoned slavery and screwing one's slaves, but it's fact. Note that most Muslims now don't condone slavery.

http://history.osu.edu/students/PhiAlphaTheta/review/2006/Dulles_Higley.pdf

OK, didn't really look at the site. How about you just go and get some Hadiths and read through them. Muslims nowadays mostly play down the history of slavery and concubinage in the religion. You're more likely to find it on anti-muslim sites, but it remains in the Hadith. Do your own research.

anyway, here's an explanation of slavery and concubinage in Islam accordint to Maliki Islamic law. I know it's not PC to point out that Islam condoned slavery and screwing one's slaves, but it's fact. Note that most Muslims now don't condone slavery.

http://history.osu.edu/students/PhiAlphaTheta/review/2006/Dulles_Higley.pdf

Oh, I know full well that it did condone slavery. It doesn't really matter anyway, I regre even disputing it.

OK, didn't really look at the site. How about you just go and get some Hadiths and read through them. Muslims nowadays mostly play down the history of slavery and concubinage in the religion. You're more likely to find it on anti-muslim sites, but it remains in the Hadith. Do your own research.

anyway, here's an explanation of slavery and concubinage in Islam accordint to Maliki Islamic law. I know it's not PC to point out that Islam condoned slavery and screwing one's slaves, but it's fact. Note that most Muslims now don't condone slavery.

http://history.osu.edu/students/PhiAlphaTheta/review/2006/Dulles_Higley.pdf

And on the topic of slavery, I think those who point to that and say "See, Islam is bad, mkay?" Should work on getting a good helping of "Judge not, lest ye be judged." Just look at the history of slavery in Catholic-controlled Europe throughout the Middle Ages, and Protestant-majority America before the 1860s.

anyway, here's an explanation of slavery and concubinage in Islam accordint to Maliki Islamic law. I know it's not PC to point out that Islam condoned slavery and screwing one's slaves, but it's fact. Note that most Muslims now don't condone slavery.

http://history.osu.edu/students/PhiAlphaTheta/review/2006/Dulles_Higley.pdf

Nothing to do with political correctness. It's hypocrisy. The old texts condoned slavery, duh. But you have similar passages or worse in the Bible, yet only Muslims are held to the old tired "If you don't condemn it you condone it" false dilemma time and time again.

Nothing to do with political correctness. It's hypocrisy. The old texts condoned slavery, duh. But you have similar passages or worse in the Bible, yet only Muslims are held to the old tired "If you don't condemn it you condone it" false dilemma time and time again.

no, I've seen and heard Christians accused of that also.

however, I have seen more Christians standing up against what other Christians are fighting... Same Sex Marriages, Abortion, Christan baised violence than Muslims vocally standing up against Muslim baised violence.

but that I blame more on media than the people.

Nothing to do with political correctness. It's hypocrisy. The old texts condoned slavery, duh. But you have similar passages or worse in the Bible, yet only Muslims are held to the old tired "If you don't condemn it you condone it" false dilemma time and time again.

I'm not arguing that Muslims today condone slavery. I was just responding to someone who asked for a source that Islam at one time condoned slavery and the rape of slaves.

no, I've seen and heard Christians accused of that also.

however, I have seen more Christians standing up against what other Christians are fighting... Same Sex Marriages, Abortion, Christan baised violence than Muslims vocally standing up against Muslim baised violence.

but that I blame more on media than the people.

Nice, moderate and proactive Muslims don't make for sensational news headlines.

The "Death to America" Jihadi Choir always does.

Counter bounty!

I will give US$50 to the person who delivers me the hands, tongue, and reproductive organs (to ensure he doesn't procreate) of this imam.

no, I've seen and heard Christians accused of that also.

however, I have seen more Christians standing up against what other Christians are fighting... Same Sex Marriages, Abortion, Christan baised violence than Muslims vocally standing up against Muslim baised violence.

but that I blame more on media than the people.

Part of the reason is that fundie christians cannot muzzle other christians' views. They cannot use the threat of violence like in the medieval days.

Not so in traditional muslim societies. There is a very real threat of violence if you dissent openly against religious/societal authorities. Even in immigrant populations in the west.

Some christian bishop doesn't like Harry Potter and DaVinci code books. They burn them and make noises. That is the limit.

Khomeini didn't like Rushdie's book. He put a bounty on his head. Same in Taslima's case. And Theo Van Gogh. In these circumstances, it is dangerous for muslims to openly voice their dissent if they disagree with fundies.

That's why it is more important to not give a pass to fundies under PC or cultural relativism and vote bank (this happens in India) and ensure law and order and protection of dissenters and encourage an environment of freedom to dissent.

Nice, moderate and proactive Muslims don't make for sensational news headlines.

The "Death to America" Jihadi Choir always does.

Plus they may not speak english.