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For all you Star Wars fans. For Courasant , a Quadrillion people live there. Okay. So lets assume that one person east ten pounds of food a week, rounded.. A mile long starship can hold 4,000 tons of food. 4,000 tons is enough to feed 800,000 people. So in order to feed a quadrillion, you would need 1.25 trillion starships a week to deliver the needed food.

*Eh* It's already been noted that George Lucas played fast and lose with Courasant and didn't let the numbers bother him; unlike Isaac Asimov's Trantor.

OCC: This isn't negative, per say, thats just a lot of ships! Plus its Extra Credit for my math class ;)

OCC: This isn't negative, per say, thats just a lot of ships! Plus its Extra Credit for my math class ;)

so they use lots in WW2

For all you Star Wars fans. For Courasant , a Quadrillion people live there.

According to which source, then? Pulling up the wikipedia article, it says:

1 trillion+ (according to literature). Based on a diameter of 1,444 km, it may be as high as 2,861,006,000,000

One quadrillion, by extension, is 1,000,000,000,000,000. That's substantially greater than 2,861,006,000,000.

For all you Star Wars fans. For Courasant , a Quadrillion people live there. Okay. So lets assume that one person east ten pounds of food a week, rounded.. A mile long starship can hold 4,000 tons of food. 4,000 tons is enough to feed 800,000 people. So in order to feed a quadrillion, you would need 1.25 trillion starships a week to deliver the needed food.
now factor in dehydration and the possibility of "Star Trek" Replicator Technology (no matter how fast one thinks one can go, food will probably be travelling for days/months before reaching Courasant... so some preserving method has to be used. and realize, the ONLY time you see someone actually cooking was on Tatooine... a rimworld planet.) that 4,000 tons of foodstuff cargo could actually equate to 400,000 tons of food.

I am not anti-Star wars. The same Wikipedia article I recall, said there was a great difference and some fans pointed out that it could by a quadrillion. I was just pointing out the vast numbers of resources needed to feed a population that big.

I am not anti-Star wars. The same Wikipedia article I recall, said there was a great difference and some fans pointed out that it could by a quadrillion. I was just pointing out the vast numbers of resources needed to feed a population that big.

Yeah, I just read that part. But there's no generally accepted canon number.

And meh...it's not like Star Wars ever let the practicalities of the real universe disrupt a good story anyway. :P

Im not trying to bash Star Wars XD I was just like "Wow, look at the numbers needed for a Galatic Empire."

for my point, I never thought you were bashing anything. but I also think you forgot to factor in technology. they could have preserving methods that vastly reduce the weight of organic cargo to a mere fraction of it's original weight. a very influential condition that could alter your results by an order of magnitude.

Im not trying to bash Star Wars XD I was just like "Wow, look at the numbers needed for a Galatic Empire."

Yeah, I just read that part. But there's no generally accepted canon number.

And meh...it's not like Star Wars ever let the practicalities of the real universe disrupt a good story anyway. :P

... Star Wars had a GOOD Story? :eek:
I kid
:D
Really, I kid... except the first three episodes SUCKED!!!
*Runs and Hides*

:headbang: ugghh, you idiots, you are assuming that the people in star wars are humans like ourseslves its a long time ago in a galaxy far far away you are a bunch of idiots

WOOT, FTW
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"Kill of be killed":sniper:

Practically speaking: that's just how it has to be. How can you NOT use an idea like a world-spanning city when it comes to your head? But yeah, the numbers are pretty staggering when you think about it. Still, you could theoretically pull it off.

I remember reading about whole planets given over to agriculture. That could create a huge bulk of food, and if you had technology like hyperdrives to move it to market... Probably wouldn't hurt to have hypdroponic crap on the planet itself, supplement stuff a bit.

for my point, I never thought you were bashing anything. but I also think you forgot to factor in technology. they could have preserving methods that vastly reduce the weight of organic cargo to a mere fraction of it's original weight. a very influential condition that could alter your results by an order of magnitude.

Righto, Sorry. xD

:headbang: ugghh, you idiots, you are assuming that the people in star wars are humans like ourseslves its a long time ago in a galaxy far far away you are a bunch of idiots

WOOT, FTW
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"Kill of be killed":sniper:

Ah, bite me. we're having fun. (Not meant seriously, though, dude.)

Here's a good one for ya, where does all the shit go? Do they take it back up in the ships? If so then where and when do the ships refuel, it takes a lot more to climb out of a gravity well than to fall into it.

Really, I kid... except the first three episodes SUCKED!!!


I think episode three is about as good as Return of the Jedi, but episodes one and two were crap. (which is unfortunate, because it wouldn't have taken drastic improvements to make them at least passable).

:headbang: ugghh, you idiots, you are assuming that the people in star wars are humans like ourseslves its a long time ago in a galaxy far far away you are a bunch of idiots

Actually, since ET has appeared in the Star Wars canon (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/ET), there's fan speculation that within the Star Wars universe, Earth is actually an extra-galactic lost colony of sorts. :)

A mile long starship can hold 4,000 tons of food.

You're vastly underestimating the amount of food a ship that size could carry.

A modern day container ship can carry 12,000 (20 ft) containers, each of which can carry 24 metric tons of weight.

That's 288,000 tons for a ship that's 0.24 miles long and limited by the force of gravity and 21st century engineering.

Even if nothing else changed but the scale, a mile long ship could carry 1,200,000 tons of food. Which is 2,400,000,000 pounds of food, assuming short tons. That's enough to feed, according to you, 240,000,000 million people for a week. So, the planet would need only 4,166,666 such ships a week. Not that many given the size of the Star Wars universe.

And, given also that bulk starships are very likely to be able to carry vastly more food than a modern container ship, the number is probably in the tens of thousands - easily doable.

Actually, since ET has appeared in the Star Wars canon (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/ET), there's fan speculation that within the Star Wars universe, Earth is actually an extra-galactic lost colony of sorts. :)
Why not? The Millennium Falcon showed up to fight the Borg after all.
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Starships_at_the_Battle_of_Sector_001

Why not? The Millennium Falcon showed up to fight the Borg after all.
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Starships_at_the_Battle_of_Sector_001

...what the...

See, this is why we stick to canon and not let fanon/EU/Star Trek books/speculation rule the debate.

And I can't see it in there anyway, unless it's that odd grey object.

EDIT: But bah. I no longer care anyway. So, my final answer, Regis:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5ecfuj2LFw

I am through with the versus debate.

...what the...

See, this is why we stick to canon and not let fanon/EU/Star Trek books/speculation rule the debate.

And I can't see it in there anyway, unless it's that odd grey object.

yes, the grey blob that appeared in the MOVIE.

but what is canon?

Studio's stance on Canon. (http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/help/faqs/faq/676.html)
seems like they are allowing elements of the animated series and books.

yet Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_(Star_Trek)) has the Creator constantly changing his mind. including Movies.

To further complicate matters, it has been noted that Roddenberry was something of a revisionist when it came to canon. People who worked with Roddenberry remember that he used to handle canon not on a series-by-series basis nor an episode-by-episode basis, but point by point. If he changed his mind on something, or if a fact in one episode contradicted what he considered to be a more important fact in another episode, he had no problem declaring that specific point non-canon.
...
Adding confusion to the issue is the fact that Roddenberry is quoted as saying he didn't like the movies, and "didn't much consider them canon". Unfortunately, there exists no definitive list of which movies in particular Roddenberry disliked, or what elements in them he didn't consider canon. However, the movie Star Trek V: The Final Frontier is most often singled out, along with unverified claims that Roddenberry called it "apocryphal at best". and Wiki also lists some novels as canon.

then there is Memory Alpha (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Canon)

The Star Trek canon is generally defined as all live-action television series and feature films released by Paramount Pictures. With the release of the Animated Series on DVD release, the studio appears to have changed its stance, and is now listing the cartoon series (aired 1973–1974), as a part of established canon.

Right, yeah, whatever. I don't care anymore. I used to, for a while. Back when I owned a website(www.digital-breakdown.com) I used it to host a forum for Darkstar's website for a few months. But eventually I just stopped caring.

As noted in the video link I provided, it's about the story, not the technology, not any stupid reasons we might invent for why the Empire would fight the Federation, or the Klingons or the Borg compete against the Galactic Republic, or anything else that we, as fans, might think occur. It's about the story, and Star Trek wins. That is my opinion. I will not budge from it nor do I care about debating the damned thing anymore. Have fun with your galaxy far far away. I'mma go where no one has gone before.

Right, yeah, whatever. I don't care anymore. I used to, for a while. Back when I owned a website(www.digital-breakdown.com) I used it to host a forum for Darkstar's website for a few months. But eventually I just stopped caring.

As noted in the video link I provided, it's about the story, not the technology, not any stupid reasons we might invent for why the Empire would fight the Federation, or the Klingons or the Borg compete against the Galactic Republic, or anything else that we, as fans, might think occur. It's about the story, and Star Trek wins. That is my opinion. I will not budge from it nor do I care about debating the damned thing anymore. Have fun with your galaxy far far away. I'mma go where no one has gone before.

no complaints. I like the non cannon SW stuff as well as the Non Cannon ST stuff. (I still say the Book Federation should've been the Generation movie.) ;)

A quadrillion people couldn't actually FIT on a planet.

no complaints. I like the non cannon SW stuff as well as the Non Cannon ST stuff. (I still say the Book Federation should've been the Generation movie.) ;)

I prefered the reimagining shone in First Contact to the version of Cochrane in Federation, if only because he seemed more realistic that way. The odd world shone in Federation confused the hell out of me and really did not make any sense. No offense to the Reeves-Steven's of course, as they're fantastic authors to be sure. (I really enjoyed their non Trek books. Nice stuff.)

It's a movie.

A quadrillion people couldn't actually FIT on a planet.

it depends. Courasant is supposed to be layers built upon layers, upon layers of city levels. the bottom most layer (which actually sits on the planet itself) is the slums.

so a multi-layerd urbanized planet could hold a quadrillion people...

I prefered the reimagining shone in First Contact to the version of Cochrane in Federation, if only because he seemed more realistic that way. The odd world shone in Federation confused the hell out of me and really did not make any sense. No offense to the Reeves-Steven's of course, as they're fantastic authors to be sure. (I really enjoyed their non Trek books. Nice stuff.)

well, that Cochrane was based off of the TOS series Cochrane more than the First Contact version.

I just like the line...
"Change the rules. Don't concentrate on your weakness, concentrate on theirs."

GO KIRK! :D

well, that Cochrane was based off of the TOS series Cochrane more than the First Contact version.

I just like the line...
"Change the rules. Don't concentrate on your weakness, concentrate on theirs."

GO KIRK :D
Where's that "awesome" picture when you need it...

Meh, I prefered Picard over Kirk any day anyway. But then I literally grew up on the Next Generation, so I'm biased.

Where's that "awesome" picture when you need it...

Meh, I prefered Picard over Kirk any day anyway. But then I literally grew up on the Next Generation, so I'm biased.

To me. Kirk and Picard are different. You really cannot compare the two.

and that line was Kirk's suggestion to Picard... I like how Picard put that line to good use.

Kirk (Series) is the new kid. the YOUNGEST starship captain. Picard (series) is the seasoned vet. so of course they're different.

also, the ships were different. the Enterprise was a ship of the line. the Enterprise-D was supposidly the FLAGSHIP of the line. thus the duties were different.

Why not? The Millennium Falcon showed up to fight the Borg after all.
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Starships_at_the_Battle_of_Sector_001

LOL :p

To me. Kirk and Picard are different. You really cannot compare the two.

and that line was Kirk's suggestion to Picard... I like how Picard put that line to good use.

Kirk (Series) is the new kid. the YOUNGEST starship captain. Picard (series) is the seasoned vet. so of course they're different.

also, the ships were different. the Enterprise was a ship of the line. the Enterprise-D was supposidly the FLAGSHIP of the line. thus the duties were different.
Hence why I said prefer, rather than saying which one is better. Each have their own captain styles, their own duties, their own responsibilities, and all that neat stuff. I prefer Picard, but that does not make him better than Kirk. They're equal in my eyes.

If anyone is a poor captain, it's Janeway. She's freaking psychotic.

What everyone is leaving out of their calculations is the fact that most of the people on Coruscant are only computer-generated animated figures, and as such do not consume food. They do require electricity, but that's not such a hard thing to come by in a fantasy-based economy.

While we're pondering the imponderable, I also know how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. :p

For all you Star Wars fans. For Courasant , a Quadrillion people live there. Okay. So lets assume that one person east ten pounds of food a week, rounded.. A mile long starship can hold 4,000 tons of food. 4,000 tons is enough to feed 800,000 people. So in order to feed a quadrillion, you would need 1.25 trillion starships a week to deliver the needed food.

Cripes, people, it's Coruscant (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Coruscant).

What everyone is leaving out of their calculations is the fact that most of the people on Coruscant...

At least someone got it right. Finally.

For all you Star Wars fans. For Courasant , a Quadrillion people live there. Okay. So lets assume that one person east ten pounds of food a week, rounded.. A mile long starship can hold 4,000 tons of food. 4,000 tons is enough to feed 800,000 people. So in order to feed a quadrillion, you would need 1.25 trillion starships a week to deliver the needed food.

And your sources would be?

Wiki says:
"A sister design to the civilian GR-45 model, the GR-75 was used by freight drivers and shipping firms to haul cargo.

The transport's outer hull was like a thick shell with the interior entirely open for cargo pods. This open-space design could fit up to 19,000 metric tons of cargo into the 90 meter long ship. Modular cargo pods greatly sped up loading and unloading procedures. "
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/GR-75_medium_transport

If person needs 4 kg food/week, then quadrillion people would need 4 quadrillions kg food = 4 trillions tons food = 210 millions such ships (GR-75) of food per week. Or less but bigger ships. On other hand there would be a lot more ships needed for other goods (including luxury goods) and passengers.

At the end of the day there is no shortage of ships in SW Galaxy. At each moment of films, every portion of skie is littered with hundreds of ships. And that is a whole planet of such population. Serving tens of millions of ships each day is not a such problem.

I assume they would produce food on planet to meet some of their needs (think massive urban agriculture, possibly stretching for thousands of feet down to the surface) and import the difference. That could be pretty significant, especially when you consider not only the fact that they would have huge amounts of building space to use and the help of a few hundred thousand years of technological innovation in agriculture.

Using contemporary agricultural production figures, the US produces roughly 8,400 pounds of corn from a single acre of land (going with corn because of its flexibility and number of potential uses). If, for example, Coruscant were to have factory farms consisting of only 100 layers on that single acre, they could produce easily 420 of corn per year per acre.

Also, the planet is pretty much equal to Earth in terms of size, so if we were to extrapolate that figure it would be possible for the planet to produce 5.3 trillion tons of food using only 10% of surface area at each level. That would feed about 2.9 trillion people for a year, or roughly 0.3% of the population. If you boost productivity to say 4,200 tons per acre and were to increase the amount of area devoted to food production at the lower levels, you could possibly feed 10-15% or more of the population on planet. The rest could be imported.

So, in conclusion it's possible but damn difficult to do. And yes, I took the time to work this out.

I assume they would produce food on planet to meet some of their needs (think massive urban agriculture, possibly stretching for thousands of feet down to the surface) and import the difference. That could be pretty significant, especially when you consider not only the fact that they would have huge amounts of building space to use and the help of a few hundred thousand years of technological innovation in agriculture.

Using contemporary agricultural production figures, the US produces roughly 8,400 pounds of corn from a single acre of land (going with corn because of its flexibility and number of potential uses). If, for example, Coruscant were to have factory farms consisting of only 100 layers on that single acre, they could produce easily 420 of corn per year per acre.

Also, the planet is pretty much equal to Earth in terms of size, so if we were to extrapolate that figure it would be possible for the planet to produce 5.3 trillion tons of food using only 10% of surface area at each level. That would feed about 2.9 trillion people for a year, or roughly 0.3% of the population. If you boost productivity to say 4,200 tons per acre and were to increase the amount of area devoted to food production at the lower levels, you could possibly feed 10-15% or more of the population on planet. The rest could be imported.

So, in conclusion it's possible but damn difficult to do. And yes, I took the time to work this out.

And Wikipedia supports you in general (regarding self-contained ecosystems in large buildings):
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Since there are no bodies of water available to feed and water its trillion inhabitants (despite the fact that it rains on Coruscant, as seen in Revenge of the Sith), Coruscant's architects along with many others from around the galaxy worked together to build a self-contained eco-system in the massive buildings set all over the planet. Engineers also developed a complex series of huge pipes through which polar ice is pumped through to the cities of Coruscant. Almost everything on the planet, from clothes to packaging and machinery is recyclable. Another problem for a world like Coruscant is the unimaginable amounts of carbon dioxide that its trillion being population generates each day, so atmospheric scrubbers were put into place in orbit to remove it.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coruscant

For all you Star Wars fans. For Courasant , a Quadrillion people live there. Okay. So lets assume that one person east ten pounds of food a week, rounded.. A mile long starship can hold 4,000 tons of food. 4,000 tons is enough to feed 800,000 people. So in order to feed a quadrillion, you would need 1.25 trillion starships a week to deliver the needed food.

This reminds me of the calculations required to ship the billions of frozen aliens to Earth (see your Scientology bullshit for this one).

Cripes, people, it's Coruscant (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Coruscant).



At least someone got it right. Finally.

I didn't really think it was worth commenting upon.

I didn't really think it was worth commenting upon.

I'm just picky like that, especially when it comes to Star Wars stuff. :p

Where's that "awesome" picture when you need it...
Here you go.
http://echosphere.net/star_trek_insp/insp_captkirk.jpg

Cripes, people, it's Coruscant (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Coruscant).



At least someone got it right. Finally.

Want to know the really funny part? I actually don't care that I spelled it correctly. :p

I'm just picky like that, especially when it comes to Star Wars stuff. :p

:p

I just thought they ate food pills.

I just thought they ate food pills.

Nope (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Food).

This thread is actually far nerdier than the "Hottest Star Wars Babe" thread. :p

Hey, I enjoyed that thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=520598). But then, I'm sorta biased. ;)

This thread is actually far nerdier than the "Hottest Star Wars Babe" thread. :p

it depends. Courasant is supposed to be layers built upon layers, upon layers of city levels. the bottom most layer (which actually sits on the planet itself) is the slums.

so a multi-layerd urbanized planet could hold a quadrillion people...

It's theoretically possible, I suppose...those layers would have to be fricking huge, though, and Coruscant (yes Cluich, I spelled it correctly) would have to be a fricking huge planet.

To give a frame of reference, Earth has about 148,940,000 square kilometers of land. (Arg, I am forcing myself to use metric for this...) For our purposes, I will assume that areas such as the Arctic, Antarctica, Greenland, and any island smaller than, say, 10,000 square kilometers will be left off (this excludes such islands as O'ahu, Manhattan, and probably a few others, but for our purposes, they can be ignored, not that this is very scientific anyway.) Also, any land that is unusable due to being way the hell up on mountains, accessible only by helicopter, or likely to be underwater in 50 years is left off (though Coruscant's residents would probably just build walls.)

Anywho, we'll just say that this leaves us with about 50,000,000 square kilometers. One square kilometer is one million square meters. Therefore, we have 50 trillion square meters to work with - which may not be much, considering that Earth's human population is about 6.5 billion, a far cry from the quadrillion Coruscantians (did I get that right?)

50 trillion divided by 6.5 billion is about 7,692.3 square meters per person. Consider that 100 square meters can probably create a somewhat comfortable residence for a family of four in an industrial setting (between 900-1.000 square feet, for you Americans.) Also consider that a well-planned city will likely divide residence areas from commerical, industrial, business, agricultural, and other areas, so not all of it will be available for residence. Not all of it will be needed, I don't think.

Depending on the type of food, one acre of land can produce varying amounts of food. We'll start with crops, and for average, we'll say that one acre (about 4,000 square meters) can produce about 10,000 kilograms of food. If the average person eats five kilograms of food a week, wel''s round that to 250 kilograms a year. So it takes 1,000 square meters of agricultural land to feed a person for a year. Multiply that by 6.5 billion, and we're looking at needing 6.5 trillion square meters of land in order to feed the world - probably more, considering that people's diets are not all crops, PLUS there's probably a very large industrial component in this. Mark off 10 trillion square meters just for food.

I'll also assume a sophisticated form of public transportation funded entirely by taxes that people can use to go wherever they want in the world. Therefore, no one uses cars, but in order to transport people, there probably will be some sort of capsule system on guided tracks. Moving sidewalks and simple walking would provide transport within areas; to go from one area to another, some sort of train system would be used. This will inevitably take up space as well. We'll assume that the average moving sidewalk is 1 meter wide and 200 meters long. If there are 5 million of them in use, that's a billion square meters of land taken up just on moving sidewalks alone.

Now, if everyone lives in one of these 100-square-meter residences, four to a residence on average, the 6.5 billion people on Earth would take up 162.5 billion square meters. Theoretically, assuming that everyone on Earth lives in one of these residences, everyone could fit into 162,500 square kilometers (probably closer to 200,000 factoring in walls and everything and 250,000 factoring in transport.) So, in an area that's 500 square kilometers by 500 square kilometers, everyone in the world could theoretically live. To give some idea, the entire human population could fit into less than two-thirds of California at this rate. Sustaining all of humanity on this level would be no problem. A quadrillion people? Much harder.

A quadrillion people in such a setup would take up probaly 40 quadrillion square meters of space to live. We've already established that the entire land surface area of the Earth is 148,940,000,000,000 square meters. If every square meter is used, the Earth would have to be layered 268 times, PLUS one layer for the bottom on land - and that's if we use everything. Including land that will be underwater in 50 years. If we use only the 50 trillion square meters, the Earth has to be layered 800 times. If we use 4 meters per layer, that puts people at 3,200 meters above the ground. For those in Santa Fe, New Mexico, that's more than 5,300 meters above sea level. And that's just for residential land - let's say that we can get away with using half as residential land. That means that those poor schmos in Santa Fe will be living as high above sea level as some airplanes fly - 8,500 meters. Needless to say, I hope they have a good heating system.

As for Coruscant? I hope that planet is fricking huge.

Even in an urban environment, some food can be produced. Also, the experience of having to feed people on long starship journeys might have provided some experience to help with the denizens of the capital planet.

Basically, I think it is possible that not all their food would have to be imported.


Also, what about moons or other planets in the system? Perhaps there are some 'breadbasket-planets' close enough not to require interstellar ships. That would be much better for delivering fresh fruit, after all.

There is debate over its population. I accept the figure of around one trillion.

so a multi-layerd urbanized planet could hold a quadrillion people...

Dude, people are talking about humans overpopulating here on Earth with 6.5 bil people. Coruscant's supposed population is about 160000x that. For that many people, you'd need so many layers that it would take about three years to get from the top to the bottom.

There is debate over its population. I accept the figure of around one trillion.

Honestly, even that's really, really pushing it.

Dude, people are talking about humans overpopulating here on Earth with 6.5 bil people.

The entire surface of the Earth isn't covered with skyscrapers.

The entire surface of the Earth isn't covered with skyscrapers.

Even then, I can't a fricken quadrillion happening anywhere.

I just thought they ate food pills.

Those are only for Jedis. And various military, etc.

Even then, I can't a fricken quadrillion happening anywhere.

Which is why sites like Wookieepedia go with 1 trillion.

It's theoretically possible, I suppose...those layers would have to be fricking huge, though, and Coruscant (yes Cluich, I spelled it correctly) would have to be a fricking huge planet.
[snippage]
As for Coruscant? I hope that planet is fricking huge.

Dude, people are talking about humans overpopulating here on Earth with 6.5 bil people. Coruscant's supposed population is about 160000x that. For that many people, you'd need so many layers that it would take about three years to get from the top to the bottom.

1) do they ever say how BIG Coruscant is and is it Canon?

2) considering the fact that Episode II has one platform in the upper Stratosphere...

3) each level would gain room. Coruscant is supposidly completely urbanized. no nature sites anywhere. so each level, while not completely covering the one below, will sill gain some room and space. and while not knowing how how big or high each level is...

4) Endor's Moon around a gas giant (appearace wise anyway) supported life. so we know some suspension of belief is needed.

Which is why sites like Wookieepedia go with 1 trillion.

simple... with all this dependancy on technology, one power outage...


and nine months later... :D

:headbang: ugghh, you idiots, you are assuming that the people in star wars are humans like ourseslves its a long time ago in a galaxy far far away you are a bunch of idiots

WOOT, FTW
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"Kill of be killed":sniper:

wow excellent first post. have a cookie. :rolleyes:

1) do they ever say how BIG Coruscant is and is it Canon?


12,240 km with less than 5% covered by water, and yeah, I do believe that's canon.

Also, not all of the area is housing.

Well, no, of course not.

12,240 km with less than 5% covered by water, and yeah, I do believe that's canon.

Also, not all of the area is housing.

12,240 km with less than 5% covered by water, and yeah, I do believe that's canon.so calculate it. assume what... 10 meters per level. that would allow a double story, maybe 3 story building while still allowing room for those air speeders/cars to maneuver.

Also, not all of the area is housing.... look it up. I believe it's ALL Urbanized... including that 5% of water.

While I will Admit a quadrillion is too much, a trillion or so is possible. in that situaton.

... look it up. I believe it's ALL Urbanized... including that 5% of water.

While I will Admit a quadrillion is too much, a trillion or so is possible. in that situaton.

Urban doesn't mean housing only. See the "points of interest" section here (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Coruscant).

... look it up. I believe it's ALL Urbanized... including that 5% of water.


There's still industry, commercial areas, museums, etc.

Urban doesn't mean housing only. See the "points of interest" section here (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Coruscant).

There's still industry, commercial areas, museums, etc.

and what is also not said is how many of those commercial areas, businesses also double as housing areas for employee's and owners.

with space as a premium, such arraingements would not be unheard of.

also, your link contains alot of information from the novels. are they canon? (I would perferre that they are, but for some reason alot of people care about what is canon... :p )

I can’t believe I'm weighing in on this subject… though it’s really not because of the whole starwars geekdom, just the academic exercise of advanced urban planning.

Anyway…

There are several things to take into consideration if you want to ponder an entirely urbanized planet. One thing, that at least someone mentioned, is the amount of waste a population produces.

Biological waste could be easily used to feed hydroponically grown plants and used in mushroom beds to grow fungus. This both deals with processing waste matter and produces food for people to consume. Plants can grow in this waste very efficiently and advanced horticulture coupled with access to wide varieties of plantlife (from other planets or just engineered to suit the conditions) could conceivably pack a lot of plant matter into a small space.

Additionally you can grow various types of fungus in beds of waste – current mushroom beds can be stacked with one layer taking only 8 inches in total. Stack them high enough and you can produce a lot with little land area. Exotic fungal types could grow significant amounts of food in ever smaller spaces.

Terrestrial bacteria, in optimal growing conditions (appropriate temperature, moisture, and food), can grow fast enough to break down waste and possibly even be a food source. Bacterial culturing on a large scale could provide another source of food. Additionally, we have the technology today to use bacteria to produce a wide variety of polymers and even some that feed on crude oil to clean up any waste. Advanced genetic engineering techniques could create bacteria to do just about anything.

This takes care of whatever problems you have with disposing of waste, generating oxygen, and removing carbon dioxide.

Given the inherent loss in any system, plus the desire for specialty items, some food would still be imported. This does not necessarily have to be a very significant amount depending on the efficiency of the system – which given the level of technology would likely be extremely high.


Imported foodstuffs could be in any variety of forms. It could come in a highly compressed package of basic macronutrients. This would bring the volume of the foodstuffs down considerably, allowing the food to be transported in a much smaller number of vessels (assuming volume would be a greater limiting factor than mass – and given that they could move huge ships, even one the size of a small moon, I doubt engine power is that significant a problem for bulk freight). It would then have to be reprocessed to be edible again, but in terms of transport it would greatly facilitate freight.


4) Endor's Moon around a gas giant (appearace wise anyway) supported life. so we know some suspension of belief is needed.
How do you figure? The suspension of belief is a given, it is fiction after all, but there is no reason why a moon around a gas giant cannot support life. In fact, Europa is widely considered capable of supporting life and the best possibility of finding extraterrestrial life in our own solar system.

Simply by virtue of orbiting a gas giant does not preclude it being habitable.
If the moon were large enough it could hold an atmosphere (especially if there were either some volcanic activity or perhaps even gases picked up floating around the system to replenish what might be lost due to it being too small to permanently hold sufficient atmosphere), and a combination of multiple suns (have no idea if it was a multiple star system, have to ask a true devotee) or simple tidal forces from the planet it orbits (which is given as a reason why Europa has liquid water under its crust) could generate the heat. This would theoretically allow a moon to be as shown.

For all you Star Wars fans. For Courasant , a Quadrillion people live there. Okay. So lets assume that one person east ten pounds of food a week, rounded.. A mile long starship can hold 4,000 tons of food. 4,000 tons is enough to feed 800,000 people. So in order to feed a quadrillion, you would need 1.25 trillion starships a week to deliver the needed food.

A mile long ship could probably carry more like a 4 million tons of food or more. However, Lucas didn't really think it through very well when he made coruscant. He didn't think out a lot of things well, either.

Even then, I can't a fricken quadrillion happening anywhere.

Well, if we work it out:

Coruscant is effectively Earth-sized (going by its diameter), so if we subtract 5% due to water that leaves us with 485 million square kilometers of surface area per "layer" built up upon the surface. That works out to a population density of a little over 2 million per square kilometer.

Now, looking in to it, the Huangpu district of Shanghai in the PRC has a population density of 126,542 people per square kilometer. This is with present technology using surface land, so it would be entirely possible to fit 2 million people per kilometer square using only 20 layers built upon the surface with this method, let alone the ultraadvanced architecture and urban planning of the Star Wars galaxy.

For all you Star Wars fans. For Courasant , a Quadrillion people live there. Okay. So lets assume that one person east ten pounds of food a week, rounded.. A mile long starship can hold 4,000 tons of food. 4,000 tons is enough to feed 800,000 people. So in order to feed a quadrillion, you would need 1.25 trillion starships a week to deliver the needed food.

That's assuming that all the citizens of Coruscant have the same dietary requirements as humans. :-P

>> 4) Endor's Moon around a gas giant (appearace wise anyway) supported life. so we know some suspension of belief is needed.

How do you figure? The suspension of belief is a given, it is fiction after all, but there is no reason why a moon around a gas giant cannot support life. In fact, Europa is widely considered capable of supporting life and the best possibility of finding extraterrestrial life in our own solar system.

Simply by virtue of orbiting a gas giant does not preclude it being habitable.
If the moon were large enough it could hold an atmosphere (especially if there were either some volcanic activity or perhaps even gases picked up floating around the system to replenish what might be lost due to it being too small to permanently hold sufficient atmosphere), and a combination of multiple suns (have no idea if it was a multiple star system, have to ask a true devotee) or simple tidal forces from the planet it orbits (which is given as a reason why Europa has liquid water under its crust) could generate the heat. This would theoretically allow a moon to be as shown.


I believe the assumed inhospitability of a gas giant's moons is based on our observations of the Jupiter system, where the geological stresses exerted by tidal forces and the lethal radiation belt around the gas giant would make things pretty nasty for humans to try and establish a presence.

I believe the assumed inhospitability of a gas giant's moons is based on our observations of the Jupiter system, where the geological stresses exerted by tidal forces and the lethal radiation belt around the gas giant would make things pretty nasty for humans to try and establish a presence.

Geological stresses I can understand, but radiation belt? I know there's some areas in the solar system where radiation from the sun is greater due to lack of micro debris/gas clouds to block them, but I haven't heard of it being planetary type specific. Can you elaborate?

and what is also not said is how many of those commercial areas, businesses also double as housing areas for employee's and owners.


Got a reference for that? As far as I know that's not the case.

Anyways, Coruscant's population is around one or two trillion, not one quadrillion, so the point is pretty moot.

For all you Star Wars fans. For Courasant , a Quadrillion people live there. Okay. So lets assume that one person east ten pounds of food a week, rounded.. A mile long starship can hold 4,000 tons of food. 4,000 tons is enough to feed 800,000 people. So in order to feed a quadrillion, you would need 1.25 trillion starships a week to deliver the needed food.

What does it mean, a "mile long starship holds blah blah"? The cargo hold capacity depends on width and height also, not just lenght. Your calculations look flawed to me...

And I do think that it is "Coruscant", not "Courasant", neither "Curaçao". ;)

For all you Star Wars fans. For Courasant , a Quadrillion people live there. Okay. So lets assume that one person east ten pounds of food a week, rounded.. A mile long starship can hold 4,000 tons of food. 4,000 tons is enough to feed 800,000 people. So in order to feed a quadrillion, you would need 1.25 trillion starships a week to deliver the needed food.
As it's been pointed out, Coruscant only has about a trillion people. But what's to say they can't grow food there? *coughhydroponicscough*