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My dog eats only the finest aborted fetuses. I want her to be healthy.

Has anybody noticed that a large number of animal rights supporters are also supporters of the Pro-Choice movement?

Oh, how I chuckle at the contradiction of beliefs!

Where's the contradiction, except in your pointed little head?

Where's the contradiction, except in your pointed little head?

:p

has anyone noticed that a lot of the pro-life crowd are omnivores?

Has anybody noticed that a large number of animal rights supporters are also supporters of the Pro-Choice movement?

Oh, how I chuckle at the contradiction of beliefs!

Yeah please point out the contradiction here?

Yeah, it's funny how thinking animals have rights sometimes coincides with thinking that women have rights. Obviously, it would make a great deal more sense to support the rights of chickens and embryos, but not those of actual human persons.

there is no contradiction provided you have the intellectual capacity to understand the differences here.

Here's a hint

the animal in question isn't living in someone elses body without their consent. I am truly unaware of how many animal rights people who are also pro choice would bemoan the killing of an implanted tapeworm

If you are aware of any please let me know.

it is frankly no more a contradiction for a pro choice person to also be for animal rights than it is a pro life person to eat meat.

It's not, by any means, contradictory to support both. I find it contradictory though to NOT let a human being decide whether she will have a baby or not.

I'd like some statistics because I always thought animal rights activists couldn’t get laid :p

Has anybody noticed that a large number of animal rights supporters are also supporters of the Pro-Choice movement?

Oh, how I chuckle at the contradiction of beliefs!

I'm still pro-choice when it comes to animals. I know of a few loud, annoying canines that I would enjoy seeing aborted ...

I'd like some statistics because I always thought animal rights activists couldn’t get laid :p

Ohh it's like a gang thing, you're called a human, and then whipped if you try to cop off with one of them, unless you are one of course.

It's great but it does bring out the inner pervert, must be the whipping!

I'd like some statistics because I always thought animal rights activists couldn’t get laid :p

I don't think Pamela Anderson is having any problems on that front.

I don't think Pamela Anderson is having any problems on that front.

The exception that proves the rule.

maybe if they were prochoice but against pet sterilization programs....

Has anybody noticed that a large number of animal rights supporters are also supporters of the Pro-Choice movement?

Oh, how I chuckle at the contradiction of beliefs!

I give the OP a 10% chance of coming back to elaborate on this silly observation. Then we give him a n00b wedgie.

I agree that a Pro-life person eating meat is a contradiction. However, lobbying for the right of animals to pursue their own happiness, free from human use for food, research, etc., while contending that a woman has the right to kill a human fetus, is a contradiction to the "right" of life.

Why would someone contend that an animal should not be eaten, or used for research, or clothing, or.......be killed by human means, then contend that it's OK to decide the fate of a human?

I am actually a supporter of Pro-Choice, I am an animal eater, and I support the use of animals for medical research.

If anybody takes medication, is diabetic, has any ailment that requires medical attention, thank the animal research.

I give the OP a 10% chance of coming back to elaborate on this silly observation. Then we give him a n00b wedgie.

Yeah I agree, post number nine and no responce yet. We have either scared it orf, or it lives under a bridge.

Doug Stanhope once said something interesting about abortion. He was talking about getting his girl an abortion and he said "We didn't do it for frivolous reasons. We didn't just get an abortion because a baby would be inconvenient. We just really wanted to see what it was like to kill a baby."

Do you mean animal rights activists being against euthanasia of cats, dogs etc? If we were going to draw a parallel than you can't say it is some kind of hypocrisy because they also support abortion. We aren't talking about aborting animal fetuses and we aren't talking about killing children. So I fail to see what one has to do with the other.

Damn man, can you not see we are animals too?

Do you mean animal rights activists being against euthanasia of cats, dogs etc? If we were going to draw a parallel than you can't say it is some kind of hypocrisy because they also support abortion. We aren't talking about aborting animal fetuses and we aren't talking about killing children. So I fail to see what one has to do with the other.

Four legs good, two legs bad :p

Four legs good, two legs bad :p

Heh never heard of doggie style?

I give the OP a 10% chance of coming back to elaborate on this silly observation. Then we give him a n00b wedgie.

10%? So generous!

Heh never heard of doggie style?

Surely that's six legs? ;p

*growls like an animal*

Fine, in the spirit of the utmost accuracy, I will simply say "non-human" in the future.

Naaaa not all, I also do a nice line in sacrasm, I can get ya some whit, and some times just sometimes I endulge in a spot of honest debate!:eek:

Damn man, can you not see we are animals too?

*growls like an animal*

Fine, in the spirit of the utmost accuracy, I will simply say "non-human" in the future.

When I speak of animal rights activists, I speak mainly of the PETA supporters that believe animals should live and die of their own free will. These people also tend to have strong Pro-Choice affiliations, thus, not giving a living being the right to live and die of their own free will.

Are you PETA supporters?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9ijLulwUTY

Way to support terrorism!

Way to kill more animals than you save! Hope the supporters of an animals right to live don't find out.

:p

has anyone noticed that a lot of the pro-life crowd are omnivores?

They eat that which is life God made...

:p

has anyone noticed that a lot of the pro-life crowd are omnivores?You so should have made that a copycat thread.

Can I have some irony to go with all that?

Hehe certianly but by all accounts(which boils down to the misinformation I have about Americans) you'll not get it!

Bahwhahahahah;)

Naaaa not all, I also do a nice line in sacrasm, I can get ya some whit, and some times just sometimes I endulge in a spot of honest debate!:eek:

Can I have some irony to go with all that?

Hehe certianly but by all accounts(which boils down to the misinformation I have about Americans) you'll not get it!

Bahwhahahahah;)

That is misinformation spread by October3. That is all, believe me. ;)

Has anybody noticed that a large number of animal rights supporters are also supporters of the Pro-Choice movement?

Oh, how I chuckle at the contradiction of beliefs!

This is really going to fuck you up then.

I support the right to choose abortion.
I support animal rights.
I hunt.
And I never, ever wear green on St. Patrick's Day.

OMG THE CONTRADICTIONS!!!!:eek:

That is misinformation spread by October3. That is all, believe me. ;)

You do know of course what is full of irony?




Spinich!:)

This is really going to fuck you up then.

I support the right to choose abortion.
I support animal rights.
I hunt.
And I never, ever wear green on St. Patrick's Day.

OMG THE CONTRADICTIONS!!!!:eek:

All of that is irrelevant, as long as you drink and enjoy the craic on paddy's day?

Where did the original poster go?

All of that is irrelevant, as long as you drink and enjoy the craic on paddy's day?

I do that the rest of the year, what the fuck makes St. Paddy's Day special?

If you're really Irish (being as I can claim that too), you don't wait for one day out of the year to upchuck on the blarney stone...

I am proud to be in the kill 'em all crowd.

Where did the original poster go?

Back into the toy box of whichever puppetmaster pulled him out.

Where did the original poster go?

Back under its bridge, to await the billy goats?

*pinches*


And that's the reason why. I like it.

I do that the rest of the year, what the fuck makes St. Paddy's Day special?

If you're really Irish (being as I can claim that too), you don't wait for one day out of the year to upchuck on the blarney stone...


Me naaaa mate I'm English! Which gives me the God given right to take and use as my own any cultural practice that i want to!

And I never, ever wear green on St. Patrick's Day.

*pinches*

You do know of course what is full of irony?




Spinich!:)

Indeed. :)

And that's the reason why. I like it.

I suppose it would all depend on who is doing the pinching. ;)

Where did the original poster go?

Back into the toy box of whichever puppetmaster pulled him out.

You noticed, huh?

*wonders if she can pinch Neesika and get away with it, too*

Apparently, some of us need a moderater to look over our posts. I suppose mine will appear sometime between.......when my ideals agree with theirs......and......well.......never.

You better make sure this post is OK too.....or will this not be posted either?

Apparently, some of us need a moderater to look over our posts. I suppose mine will appear sometime between.......when my ideals agree with theirs......and......well.......never.

You better make sure this post is OK too.....or will this not be posted either?

Are you just typing words randomly? Are your sentences a matter of sheer luck?

You noticed, huh?

*wonders if she can pinch Neesika and get away with it, too*

The answer is of course yes.

Apparently, some of us need a moderater to look over our posts. I suppose mine will appear sometime between.......when my ideals agree with theirs......and......well.......never.

You better make sure this post is OK too.....or will this not be posted either?

It's standard practice to prevent adspam. Be patient, young n00b. It'll go away and you'll be able to spout this tripe at the speed of light. Meanwhile, you ready to elaborate on your ridiculous claims?

I'd like some statistics because I always thought animal rights activists couldn’t get laid :p

I couldn't agree with you more Cal to power. I work as an environmental engineer in the South Charlotte area. I've never worked with so many single women in my life.

P.S. Is this an acceptable post moderhaters?

P.S. Is this an acceptable post moderhaters?

What's not acceptable is starting a thread by making a bizarre statement that you then fail to support. I'm telling you this on the off-chance that you really are new to NSG, and aren't just a puppet set up by someone who should know better.

How is it a contradiction? You're not going to find many animal rights activists that will argue against your right to kill off an animal growing in your body, like one of these (http://collectibleshop.tripod.com/alien-movie-creature.gif) for example.

I understand the point - I've often heard the phrase 'Animal rights campaigners don't love animals, they hate humans' and 'Pro-life people don't love fetus rights, they hate humans'.

The idea is that a fundamental position on anything is actually a burning hatred of other people (Fred Phelps doesn't love Christ, he hates gays) and the position is simply a means of expressing it.

You'll be moderated for the first 10 posts, it's a formality, I'm not sure the mods even check the content

Has anybody noticed that a large number of animal rights supporters are also supporters of the Pro-Choice movement?

No, I can't say that i've ever actually compared the rights of women with the rights of animals before.

Havn't you noticed how most pro-life people are also pro-death penilty, what a contradiction in belifs...

I agree that a Pro-life person eating meat is a contradiction. However, lobbying for the right of animals to pursue their own happiness, free from human use for food, research, etc., while contending that a woman has the right to kill a human fetus, is a contradiction to the "right" of life.


Fetuses have no rights. Plus, most abortions occur during the embryo stage, and embryos are arguably not living.

Has anybody noticed that a large number of animal rights supporters are also supporters of the Pro-Choice movement?

Oh, how I chuckle at the contradiction of beliefs!

What contradiction? :confused:

Has anybody noticed that a large number of animal rights supporters are also supporters of the Pro-Choice movement?

Oh, how I chuckle at the contradiction of beliefs!
Meh. This is just like the supposed "contradiction" in opposing the death penalty while supporting the right to choose. That is, it's only a "contradiction" in the minds of people who are too lazy or too stupid to understand the actual moral positions people hold.

There is "contradiction" in those beliefs only if you assume that female human beings are sub-human animals who have rights equivalent to that of a household pet.

Are you just typing words randomly? Are your sentences a matter of sheer luck?

monkey's on typewriters.

Look, a whale! And a flower of some kind....

(ten points if anyone gets that)

monkey's on typewriters.

Look, a whale! And a flower of some kind....

(ten points if anyone gets that)

HHG2TG.

monkey's on typewriters.

Look, a whale! And a flower of some kind....

(ten points if anyone gets that)

Ohh ohhh Hitchhikesr guide to the galaxy! what can I swap me points for?

Ohh ohhh Hitchhikesr guide to the galaxy! what can I swap me points for?

Absolutly nothing!

Me naaaa mate I'm English! Which gives me the God given right to take and use as my own any cultural practice that i want to!

Huzzah!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v427/vonbek/rourke.gif

Huzzah!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v427/vonbek/rourke.gif

Ahhh gawd bless ya Michel Caine!

I'm guessing that this comment will get posted. I have replied with support of my statement to no avail of its posting. I will wait to see if it posts and then try again.

In the meantime, continue your anger.

Ohh Great Grrrrrr!:D

I'm guessing that this comment will get posted. I have replied with support of my statement to no avail of its posting. I will wait to see if it posts and then try again.

In the meantime, continue your anger.

Post 16 and 27.....thank you

There's a major, major difference between an embyro or a first trimester fetus and say, a cow. Can you guess what it is?

WTF! This (http://halflife2.zoy.org) website is like a walking contradiction to this issue!
Ranting passionately about one issue and then deflating its own argument in the following paragraph! :rolleyes:

Has anybody noticed that a large number of animal rights supporters are also supporters of the Pro-Choice movement?

Oh, how I chuckle at the contradiction of beliefs!

Are you saying an animal that is already born is the same as an unborn human fetus?

There's a major, major difference between an embyro or a first trimester fetus and say, a cow. Can you guess what it is?

The taste?

Read previous posts so I don't have to continue answering.......thank you.

Ohhh you lazy sod!

Read previous posts so I don't have to continue answering.......thank you.

Absolutly nothing!

Not even a towel?

Or some lint?

What contradiction? :confused:

I don't think anyone can figure it out. If someone has I wouldn't mind hearing it.

The taste?

Okay, two major differences.

When I speak of animal rights activists, I speak mainly of the PETA supporters that believe animals should live and die of their own free will. These people also tend to have strong Pro-Choice affiliations,

Is that claim based on anything, or should we just send for Daddy Billy Goat Gruff?

Is that claim based on anything, or should we just send for Daddy Billy Goat Gruff?

Animal rights and pro-choice supporters are both "liberal" causes so I don't see it as a surprise that the two would go together.

Hang on a minute, aren't "abortionists" the doctors who carry out abortions?

*Checks*

Yes. Yes they are.

So is that who's been threatening Huntingdon Life Sciences, then? Doctors on their days off? You should tell the police, I'm sure they'd like to know.

there is no contradiction provided you have the intellectual capacity to understand the differences here.

Here's a hint

the animal in question isn't living in someone elses body without their consent. I am truly unaware of how many animal rights people who are also pro choice would bemoan the killing of an implanted tapeworm

If you are aware of any please let me know.

it is frankly no more a contradiction for a pro choice person to also be for animal rights than it is a pro life person to eat meat.

Please do not refer to fetuses as tapeworms and/or parasites on a woman's body. Wherever you stand on Abortion, that's just cold, and a little malicious. Also, criticizing the OP's "intellectual capacity" doesn't start the post off on a very objective footing. I'm sorry to single you out like this, but it doesn't seem like the Mods did anything to censure you and it really doesn't help an already emotionally charged thread when you make posts like that.

Please do not refer to fetuses as tapeworms and/or parasites on a woman's body. Wherever you stand on Abortion, that's just cold, and a little malicious. Also, criticizing the OP's "intellectual capacity" doesn't start the post off on a very objective footing. I'm sorry to single you out like this, but it doesn't seem like the Mods did anything to censure you and it really doesn't help an already emotionally charged thread when you make posts like that.

If you think that part of his post was unacceptable than I doubt you are going to like what else can be found on this forum. :p

Please do not refer to fetuses as tapeworms and/or parasites on a woman's body. Wherever you stand on Abortion, that's just cold, and a little malicious. Also, criticizing the OP's "intellectual capacity" doesn't start the post off on a very objective footing. I'm sorry to single you out like this, but it doesn't seem like the Mods did anything to censure you and it really doesn't help an already emotionally charged thread when you make posts like that.

I think you'll quickly learn that the mods don't censor here. They act when there is a blatant case of flaming, and this was not.

Also, did anyone else read the title of the thread and think "Anime loving abortionists"?

I'm a vegetarian and I refuse to wear leather. As far as I'm concerned every hunter deserves 25 to life. I don't know much about the abortion issue, but I dont know when life starts, and it's best to stay on the safe side and let them continue. Of course I also will never know what it is like to be a pregnant woman, so that may be a factor as well.

Animal rights and pro-choice supporters are both "liberal" causes so I don't see it as a surprise that the two would go together.

When I said: 'based on anything', perhaps I should have put 'based on anything other than your preconceptions'?

I say kill them all. And the Jews too. No mass murder is complete without the Jews.

Has anybody noticed that a large number of animal rights supporters are also supporters of the Pro-Choice movement?

Oh, how I chuckle at the contradiction of beliefs!

I'm a pro-life vegetarian.

Where's the contradiction, except in your pointed little head?

it's pretty blatent. pacifism, pro-life...ism, vegetarianism, opposition to class inequality, opposition to the death penalty, opposition to euthanasia, and many other issues are all linked by and founded on the sacredness of life.

I'm a vegetarian and I refuse to wear leather. As far as I'm concerned every hunter deserves 25 to life. I don't know much about the abortion issue, but I dont know when life starts, and it's best to stay on the safe side and let them continue. Of course I also will never know what it is like to be a pregnant woman, so that may be a factor as well.

how is "on the safe side" anything but pro-life? if you're wrong about pro life, women are inconvienienced. if you're wrong about pro-choice, untold millions of innocent children are slaughtered for nothing. I don't see how in a contest between personal freedom and life itself, freedom could ever win...

Animals have been born. They are not using anyone else's body to exist. A fetus is (with the mother's de facto consent, if she keeps it). Animals have been born, they are entities separate from their mothers. There is no contradiction.

it's pretty blatent. pacifism, pro-life...ism, vegetarianism, opposition to class inequality, opposition to the death penalty, opposition to euthanasia, and many other issues are all linked by and founded on the sacredness of life.

And yet being anti-euthanasia and being pro-capital punishment are stereotypically conservative attitudes. Therefore the sacrosanctity of life is not the only factor at work.

how is "on the safe side" anything but pro-life? if you're wrong about pro life, women are inconvienienced. if you're wrong about pro-choice, untold millions of innocent children are slaughtered for nothing. I don't see how in a contest between personal freedom and life itself, freedom could ever win...

Children? They have to be born to be children. Comprende?

Please do not refer to fetuses as tapeworms and/or parasites on a woman's body. Wherever you stand on Abortion, that's just cold, and a little malicious.
It's also completely correct. A fetus is a parasite.

I'm a pro-life vegetarian.



it's pretty blatent. pacifism, pro-life...ism, vegetarianism, opposition to class inequality, opposition to the death penalty, opposition to euthanasia, and many other issues are all linked by and founded on the sacredness of life.

Ever taken an antibiotic? Do you eat vegetables? You do realize that bacteria and vegetables are both life, no? You draw line. We draw a line. You draw that line where you do. We draw that line where we do. The fact that you're consistent doesn't make you right.

Meanwhile, most abortions occur at a stage where the qualifications for life are not met even as well as bacteria meet it.

Here's the news, you're killing more life every day than abortions are.

It's also completely correct. A fetus is a parasite.

Actually, it doesn't meet the technical definition.

Actually, it doesn't meet the technical definition.
par·a·site /ˈpærəˌsaɪt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[par-uh-sahyt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. an organism that lives on or in an organism of another species, known as the host, from the body of which it obtains nutriment.
par·a·site (pār'ə-sīt') Pronunciation Key
n.
Biology An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host.
etc. etc.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/parasite

What's the technical definition?

etc. etc.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/parasite

What's the technical definition?

An organism that lives in symbiosis with another organism. The former benefits, the latter is harmed.

Thanks for that. It's not an organism. It fails to meet the definition. And technically the requirements are much higher than the lexical definition.

Since when is a fetus not an organism?

etc. etc.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/parasite

What's the technical definition?

Thanks for that. It's not an organism. The technical definition like the one you posted requires it to be an organism.

It has to be an organism first. There are many more requirements than your little blurb acknowledges.
I grabbed the definition off a site on parasitology. It's the bloody textbook definition.

An organism that lives in symbiosis with another organism. The former benefits, the latter is harmed.

It has to be an organism first. There are many more requirements than your little blurb acknowledges. At the point of most abortions, an embryo, and the early fetus, do not meet the requirements for life. It's not a parasite. It's more likened to an organ.

Meanwhile, you must realize that in biology they were not careful enough to define parasite in a way that it doesn't include the gestation periods of all mammals? It's a classification and it's clearly defined. Do we need a biology lesson here?

Meanwhile, that doesn't change a comparison to a parasite. It's an apt comparison WHEN the woman does not want it in her body. When she does want it in her body then the situation is much more comparable to symbiotic relationship, since she is benefitting.

Since when is a fetus not an organism?

Since always. It becomes an organism at a point during the pregnancy, but the requirements for an organism require that you do certain things as a whole like waste disposal and reacting to the environment. A fetus at the stage at the stage when most elective abortions have already been performed does not do these things. It cannot react to its environment as a whole, because it has no means for doing so until the nervous system develops. Other organisms do so chemically, but humans have no such mechanism, so without the nervous system, we are not an entire entity. The fetus at the stage of elective abortions much more resembles an organ.

An organism that lives in symbiosis with another organism. The former benefits, the latter is harmed.

No, in symbiosis (clown fish and sea Anemone for example) BOTH parties benefit.

No, in symbiosis (clown fish and sea Anemone for example) BOTH parties benefit.

That's mutualism. Symbiosis includes mutualism, commensalism, and parasitism.

That's mutualism. Symbiosis includes mutualism, commensalism, and parasitism.

Not the definitions I learned in school, but then I didn't study biology in college.

I don't like the killing of animals, human or other. I have no problem with aborting animal fetuses, human or other.

That's mutualism. Symbiosis includes mutualism, commensalism, and parasitism.

Not the definitions I learned in school, but then I didn't study biology in college.

http://www.answers.com/topic/symbiosis

Yes, we're mixing biological and lay definitions.

That's why in layman's terms, you could make a comparison to parasites or symbiotes depending on the position of the mother. In layman's terms, a symbiote is in a position of mutual dependence or benefit. In biology, a parasite is a symbiote. In lay terms, it's not.

http://www.answers.com/topic/symbiosis

Yes, we're mixing biological and lay definitions.

That's why in layman's terms, you could make a comparison to parasites or symbiotes depending on the position of the mother. In layman's terms, a symbiote is in a position of mutual dependence or benefit. In biology, a parasite is a symbiote. In lay terms, it's not.

And this is one of the major problems with the American School system. When we are in grade school or high school we are taught things that are incorrect and this misinformation is corrected ONLY if we take the right classes in college or read the correct book in our spare time.

And this is one of the major problems with the American School system. When we are in grade school or high school we are taught things that are incorrect and this misinformation is corrected ONLY if we take the right classes in college or read the correct book in our spare time.

You're not being taught the wrong things. You're being taught the basic concepts. Your definition does not need to be that of a biologists. Absent the abortion debate you have no need for the information. Your understanding of the term needs to match the usage you WILL encounter and you're using it as people would expect you to use it. Your information is correct. You use the terms as a non-biologist should. It seems that in this case the school did its job.

Meanwhile, that even in the abortion debate the terms are silly. There is debate as to whether an embryo (which is what is there when most abortions are performed) is an organism. However, any usage of the word, "organism", regarding biology would exclude parasite and vice versa. Because to count an embryo as an organism you must do so by saying it is part of a lifecycle, which equally disqualifies it as a parasite.

Those against denying women liberty over their own bodies cannot call it a parasite without mishandling the terms.

It's also not useful to the debate, as parasite or not, the women has liberty over her body and cannot be forced to support a human being to her detriment.