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This is from the Associated Press

NORFOLK, Va. — A federal judge said Wednesday that Sudan is responsible for the bombing of the USS Cole but he needs more time to determine damages for the families of the 17 sailors killed when terrorists bombed the ship in 2000.

"There is substantial evidence in this case presented by the expert testimony that the government of Sudan induced the particular bombing of the Cole by virtue of prior actions of the government of Sudan," U.S. District Judge Robert G. Doumar said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,258734,00.html

Well this is interesting. I did not expect something like this. Thoughts?

This is from the Associated Press



http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,258734,00.html

Well this is interesting. I did not expect something like this. Thoughts?

that's...well I can't say I really object. I just wonder how they're going to force the payment..

Bad source for the news...

Bad source for the news...

IT's...the bloody...AP. Seriously I don't like fox either but the AP is fairly reliable as it goes.

Ah actually nevermind, I didn't notice the AP there...at the top of the post...capitalized...I'll go to a corner now.:headbang:

The hell? Sudan?

...well, even if from AP...it's reported by Fox News...so I'm wary for the moment.

Was I the only one to read Sudan and think Saudi Arabia at first, though?

The hell? Sudan?

...well, even if from AP...it's reported by Fox News...so I'm wary for the moment.

Was I the only one to read Sudan and think Saudi Arabia at first, though?

God I hope so.

Hey...now we got another reason other than stopping a genocide to invade Sudan.:mp5:

The hell? Sudan?

Al Qaeda was based out of Sudan for much of the 1990s so I can definitely see them being partially responsible.

God I hope so.

Well it's only because for some reason I pictured Saudi Arabia as responsible for it since it would be something they'd do, and the idea of the Sudan being responsible for it seemed...extremely odd, so I mistook them in my mind even with the words right in front of me.

Surely many of you have done just that before, right?

Al Qaeda was based out of Sudan for much of the 1990s so I can definitely see them being partially responsible.

...really? I need to educate myself more so I don't look like such an idiot...

Al Qaeda was based out of Sudan for much of the 1990s so I can definitely see them being partially responsible.

Apparantly, Sudan also has instigated the genocide in Darfur, atleast so says the UN.

http://www.shoutwire.com/viewstory/56888/Sudan_Orchestrated_Darfur_Crimes

Al Qaeda was based out of Sudan for much of the 1990s so I can definitely see them being partially responsible.

bin Laden himself lived there for for several years and was under CIA surveillance, but wasn't thought very dangerous then.

I keep hearing (probably from loony conspiracists) that Al-Qaeda wasn't even an organized group until around sept 11th, and thats when we gave them the name, and thats when they started gathering structure. It has nothing to do with the topic, but I was just wondering if anyone can tell me that this is wrong?

that's...well I can't say I really object. I just wonder how they're going to force the payment..

Same way they got them to stop doing genocide in darfur

oh wait...

I keep hearing (probably from loony conspiracists) that Al-Qaeda wasn't even an organized group until around sept 11th, and thats when we gave them the name, and thats when they started gathering structure. It has nothing to do with the topic, but I was just wondering if anyone can tell me that this is wrong?

I'm pretty sure they were around before that. But 9/11 is full of holes still, atleast the official story is. At the very least the Pentagon story reeks of bullshit.

I'm pretty sure they were around before that. But 9/11 is full of holes still, atleast the official story is. At the very least the Pentagon story reeks of bullshit.

what story? That it was hit by a plane?

Dude, it was hit by a freaking plane.

Hundreds of people SAW IT.

ATTN OP: This reminds me of another federal case...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=519972

what story? That it was hit by a plane?

Dude, it was hit by a freaking plane.

Hundreds of people SAW IT.

Bah, not that. The plane hit it no shit. Other "aspects" of the story that are another discussion for another thread I suppose.

This reminds me of blaming Germany for the Lusitania - and lying about how it wasn't carrying arms. Got America into WWI, based on a lie.

Or the Spanish American war, and the Maine. That's directly comparable. But hey, we got to slaughter Pacific islander natives, butchering entire fucking villages. For the Maine!

Now maybe we can go to war with Sudan. Invade, conquer, occupy their nation, set up a government in our own image, extract their resources for our own use. For the Cole!

I'm pretty sure they were around before that. But 9/11 is full of holes still, atleast the official story is. At the very least the Pentagon story reeks of bullshit.

It may "reek" to you, but my dad was IN the Pentagon. He SAW the plane hit. He SAW the wreckage.

This reminds me of blaming Germany for the Lusitania - and lying about how it wasn't carrying arms. Got America into WWI, based on a lie.

Or the Spanish American war, and the Maine. That's directly comparable. But hey, we got to slaughter Pacific islander natives, butchering entire fucking villages. For the Maine!

Now maybe we can go to war with Sudan. Invade, conquer, occupy their nation, set up a government in our own image, extract their resources for our own use. For the Cole!



It may "reek" to you, but my dad was IN the Pentagon. He SAW the plane hit. He SAW the wreckage.

All I'm saying is that I have questions about what happened. I'm not a tinfoil child.

This reminds me of blaming Germany for the Lusitania - and lying about how it wasn't carrying arms. Got America into WWI, based on a lie.

Except the Lusitania was sunk in 1915, two full years before the US entered WWI. The Zimmerman Telegram played a much larger role in the US entrance as well as more attacks on passenger ships when Germany restarted unrestricted sub warfare in Jan. of 1917.

Actually the Lusitania was only carrying small arms ammunition and under international law the Germans had to ensure the passengers safety before sinking the ship, even with the presence of ammunition

Or the Spanish American war, and the Maine. That's directly comparable. But hey, we got to slaughter Pacific islander natives, butchering entire fucking villages. For the Maine!

Actually Spain declared war first when the US mentioned military force as a possibility to stabalise the situaiton in Cuba.

Now maybe we can go to war with Sudan. Invade, conquer, occupy their nation, set up a government in our own image, extract their resources for our own use. For the Cole!

China already has us beat to Sudan's oil reserves, and it's not like the Sudanese government are a bunch of Boy Scouts.

Except the Lusitania was sunk in 1915, two full years before the US entered WWI. The Zimmerman Telegram played a much larger role in the US entrance as well as more attacks on passenger ships when Germany restarted unrestricted sub warfare in Jan. of 1917.

Fine.

Actually the Lusitania was only carrying small arms ammunition and under international law the Germans had to ensure the passengers safety before sinking the ship, even with the presence of ammunition


Big deal. It was a rallying cry that motivated people into getting into the stupidest european war with millions of people's lives thrown away.


Actually Spain declared war first when the US mentioned military force as a possibility to stabalise the situaiton in Cuba.

The US wanted a war. They wanted land. They got it.

China already has us beat to Sudan's oil reserves, and it's not like the Sudanese government are a bunch of Boy Scouts.

No one's government is a bunch of Boy Scouts.

And you're right, we're probably not going to go to war with Sudan for the oil. Nah, just for the power and the carrying out of the hawk agenda. And because of the unannounced war on Muslims.

I keep hearing (probably from loony conspiracists) that Al-Qaeda wasn't even an organized group until around sept 11th, and thats when we gave them the name, and thats when they started gathering structure. It has nothing to do with the topic, but I was just wondering if anyone can tell me that this is wrong?

1996 they took responsibility for the Embassy Bombings in Kenya and Tanzania.

I'm pretty sure they were around before that. But 9/11 is full of holes still, atleast the official story is. At the very least the Pentagon story reeks of bullshit.

Oh let us not go there again. It has been proven time and again on this board that it was indeed a plane.

I somehow can't see the US taking action. That would equal to actually going after terrorists. You might end up catching them. And then what? What would your government do without this useful scapegoat? Start hunting communists again?

I somehow can't see the US taking action. That would equal to actually going after terrorists. You might end up catching them. And then what? What would your government do without this useful scapegoat? Start hunting communists again?

Putin has been getting more game as the years have gone on, and the US most certainly have been looking for and provoking a fight with Russia over that silly Star Wars thing.

Putin has been getting more game as the years have gone on, and the US most certainly have been looking for and provoking a fight with Russia over that silly Star Wars thing.

One of Reagan's greatest ideas :D

One of Reagan's greatest ideas :D

And as doomed to failure as the rest of them.

And as doomed to failure as the rest of them.

Its only a couple of centuries away so how would you know that it would be a failure?

Its only a couple of centuries away so how would you know that it would be a failure?

Haha, you think the US will be in position to deploy it in a few centuries...

Haha, you think the US will be in position to deploy it in a few centuries...

HAHA! I won't be here so it really doesn't matter to me but if I had to guess...yes. Sweden on the other hand probably won't be around to see it.

HAHA! I won't be here so it really doesn't matter to me but if I had to guess...yes.

And France is still a major power, and the sun never sets on the Queen Empress' empire...

Sweden on the other hand probably won't be around to see it.

Well, in which case the millennia or so and two hundered years of Pax Sueciae we've had will have been quite enough.

"Terrorists"? For the love of Eris, it was a bleeding viable military target. Don't dilute the word to uselessness.

Perhaps, but a bleeding viable military wasn't doing the targeting. :p

"Terrorists"? For the love of Eris, it was a bleeding viable military target. Don't dilute the word to uselessness.

So when will it be freedom time for Sudan?

"Terrorists"? For the love of Eris, it was a bleeding viable military target. Don't dilute the word to uselessness.

Too late for the US...

1996 they took responsibility for the Embassy Bombings in Kenya and Tanzania.

I believe that they were just one group of terrorists among many others. After 9/11 everybody started to call themselves al qaeda.

Oh let us not go there again. It has been proven time and again on this board that it was indeed a plane.

*smacks forehead violently* I never said it wasn't a plane. -__- I have questions about it, that's all. Like why did it fall at free fall speed for example.

Last time I checked, this is not the job of US federal judges.