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In a military tribunal, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed admits that he planned, not only 9/11 but also the following:

Attempted assassinations of Carter, Clinton, and the Pope
Shoe bomber Richard Reid
Bali

List of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's Confessions (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,258818,00.html)
Click Here to Read the Full Transcript From the Hearing (http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/transcript_ISN10024.pdf)

Ok granted, we all knew this since he was captured but now it is official. What are your thoughts?

Seems like a pro-active chap......

Guess we know who's next in line for 'martyrdom.' Give 'em what they want, I say.

I think it's a pity he didn't confess in front of a real court.

A real source (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/03/14/guantanamo.mohammed.reut/index.html)

I think it's a pity he didn't confess in front of a real court.

A real source (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/03/14/guantanamo.mohammed.reut/index.html)

Its from the associated press if you bothered to actually read.

Meh, even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and again.

As for the real news source comment, as much as I dislike fox, this was an AP report, and AP is about as legitimate as it gets.

Its from the associated press if you bothered to actually read.

I'm not gonna provide Ad Money to Faux by clicking through a link to their site. I'm fully boycotting them for their continued behavior. I am happy to facilitate such action in others by encouraging them to use other sources.


As for the real news source comment, as much as I dislike fox, this was an AP report, and AP is about as legitimate as it gets.

See above.

I'm not gonna provide Ad Money to Faux by clicking through a link to their site. I'm fully boycotting them for their continued behavior. I am happy to facilitate such action in others by encouraging them to use other sources.

Well, fair enough, can understand that. AP is still a respectable source though.

What are your thoughts?

I'm glad he's in custody, and why he only tried to assasinate Democrats.

Well, fair enough, can understand that. AP is still a respectable source though.

Absolutely. I never meant to suggest otherwise.

I'm glad he's in custody, and why he only tried to assasinate Democrats.

He's in cahootz with Faux and the GOP!:eek: Well...either that or he just doesn't like the colour blue?

He's in cahootz with Faux and the GOP!:eek: Well...either that or he just doesn't like the colour blue?

I KNEW IT!

The color blue thing that is :p

Sometimes people confess to crimes they didn't commit. Sometimes, people pad their resumes.

Is there any actual evidence to support the claims?

Despite the fact that we knew most of this long before now...

Sometimes people confess to crimes they didn't commit. Sometimes, people pad their resumes.

Is there any actual evidence to support the claims?

I don't think a lot of people will care for evidence really, sadly.

Lock him up throw away the key

Execute him and prepare for a new wave of recruits ready to die against the infidel west

Thats the way I see it anyway

In a military tribunal, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed admits that he planned, not only 9/11 but also the following:

Attempted assassinations of Carter, Clinton, and the Pope
Shoe bomber Richard Reid
Bali

List of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's Confessions (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,258818,00.html)
Click Here to Read the Full Transcript From the Hearing (http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/transcript_ISN10024.pdf)

Ok granted, we all knew this since he was captured but now it is official. What are your thoughts?

Sometimes people confess to crimes they didn't commit. Sometimes, people pad their resumes.

Is there any actual evidence to support the claims?

I KNEW IT!

The color blue thing that is :p

He is a speciesist against superintelligent shades of the color blue! :o

After however many years we've been torturing him or having him tortured, i'm sure he'd 'confess' to being the only southern baptist member of the Mossad if we asked him.

Disgusting that we would print confessions of torture victims, despicable.

lol @ KSM. I hear that he sang like a canary in gitmo. It is to be noted that he was arrested in the defense housing colony, Rawalpindi, where the GHQ is located.

After however many years we've been torturing him or having him tortured, i'm sure he'd 'confess' to being the only southern baptist member of the Mossad if we asked him.

Disgusting that we would print confessions of torture victims, despicable.
It's even more despicable we didn't shoot KSM on the spot when we found him.

Given the FACT that the US military uses torture techniques, I don't find this "confession" very credible.

It's even more despicable we didn't shoot KSM on the spot when we found him.

you mean, before he was given a trial and had his guilt demonstrated?

Sure, what the hell, let's get rid of this whole trial nonsense. All suspects are GUILTY. Otherwise, they wouldn't be suspects, now would they?

It's even more despicable we didn't shoot KSM on the spot when we found him.

:rolleyes:

He has still not been brought to trial.

If you know the background of his arrest, you would realise that there was no need to shoot him. He was "caught" in a safehouse.

It's even more despicable we didn't shoot KSM on the spot when we found him.

No it isn't Adolf, get a grip.

Here in the civilized world, we have these things called "trials" and "due process" and "decency" which we take into account before shooting suspects out of hand.

No it isn't Adolf, get a grip.

Here in the civilized world, we have these things called "trials" and "due process" and "decency" which we take into account before shooting suspects out of hand.

You do realize you just called someone whose username is IDF (likely Israeli Defense Force) Adolf, right?

You do realize you just called someone whose username is IDF (likely Israeli Defense Force) Adolf, right?

A rose by any other name, &c.

You do realize you just called someone whose username is IDF (likely Israeli Defense Force) Adolf, right?

I think the person was saying that they are not going to shoot him like Adolf Hitler. The suggestion that the Coalition forces shot Hitler in WW2.

Not calling them Adolf

It's even more despicable we didn't shoot KSM on the spot when we found him.

Yes, unjust bloodshed is a good thing. Justice and nonviolence are terrible.

You do realize you just called someone whose username is IDF (likely Israeli Defense Force) Adolf, right?
The Phoenix sun has probably given him heatstroke. It would explain a great many things about some of his posts.

Yes, unjust bloodshed is a good thing. Justice and nonviolence are terrible.
KSM is obviously guilty. His ties with terror were well known long before 9/11. His role in September 11th was widely known worldwide before he was arrested.

What I dont' get is that people on this forum believe he is innocent. Those people need to stop drinking the Kool-aid.

KSM is obviously guilty.

Yeah. So are all the Palestinians who die at Israeli hands, yes?

His ties with terror were well known long before 9/11. His role in September 11th was widely known worldwide before he was arrested.

Who needs a trial when you can spot guilty people just by looking at the TV.

What I dont' get is that people on this forum believe he is innocent. Those people need to stop drinking the Kool-aid.

I believe everyone deserves a fair trial.

KSM is obviously guilty. His ties with terror were well known long before 9/11. His role in September 11th was widely known worldwide before he was arrested.

What I dont' get is that people on this forum believe he is innocent. Those people need to stop drinking the Kool-aid.

Whether he is guilty or not is for a jury to decide. Then again, considering its a tribunal maybe not. Though I'm sure the principle of innocent until proven guilty applies even there.

I honestly think what IDF is trying to say is that any sort of due process would be hung up in administrative bullshit for years... I mean, honestly, imagine trying this guy and all the other high-list Gitmo detainees in civil courts.

It'd take forever with our legal system.

I honestly think what IDF is trying to say is that any sort of due process would be hung up in administrative bullshit for years... I mean, honestly, imagine trying this guy and all the other high-list Gitmo detainees in civil courts.

So, better fast than just?

Gitmo? Better to torture than give due process?

What exactly is the urgency with this guy that he has to be gotten rid of (shot) RIGHT NOW? Is he going to explode and destroy half the nation if we don't execute him without a fair trial?

KSM is obviously guilty. His ties with terror were well known long before 9/11. His role in September 11th was widely known worldwide before he was arrested.

What I dont' get is that people on this forum believe he is innocent. Those people need to stop drinking the Kool-aid.

Dude, I don't believe he is innocent. I know more about him than you. You need to stop putting words in other people's mouth.

I am just having a dig at the utter mismanagement by the Bush admin on this issue. Since when is that = supporting terrorism :rolleyes:

Look, I'm not saying he should be shot. I'm also not saying he should be put through a regular civil trial.

And about those torture processes... the Chinese and Russians have methods that make American methods look like some tea and biscuits.

Taking info by torture isn't exactly right, but, honestly, how could we have "due process" in our civil courts in front of a jury? Who would want/be a unbiased, fair juror? Ctrl+V for the judge, as well.

For all I care he can sit and wait for a trial till people forget about him

And about those torture processes... the Chinese and Russians have methods that make American methods look like some tea and biscuits.

and?

Comparing the US to a Undemocratic country (China) and a country of which 10% is controlled by organised crime according to its own government (Russia) is hardly flattering

Look, I'm not saying he should be shot. I'm also not saying he should be put through a regular civil trial.


Then what are you saying.


And about those torture processes... the Chinese and Russians have methods that make American methods look like some tea and biscuits.


Two wrongs make a right? Tu quoque?

Look, torture is torture. I'm gonna stick with McCain's position on that.


Taking info by torture isn't exactly right, but, honestly, how could we have "due process" in our civil courts in front of a jury? Who would want/be a unbiased, fair juror? Ctrl+V for the judge, as well.

Well, the same argument can be made for any crime. Why bother with due process because no one is truly unbiased? We should just go with IDF style justice and shoot people we assume are guilty.

Well, the same argument can be made for any crime. Why bother with due process because no one is truly unbiased? We should just go with IDF style justice and shoot people we assume are guilty.

Did I miss something? We went from "Well, we all knew he was guilty years ago!" to "Wow, I can't believe that we're already considering this man guilty!!!1!"

But we're bickering over a means, regardless of how cruel, of gathering information. And I'm sure about a handful of us would have made the decision to do the same, considering how stubborn Islamic fundies can be.

a means that isn't the most reliable considering its from a source that knows he's screwed and has no problem dying. I'm glad only a handful would decide to do this. And of course this makes the US look great doesn't it.

I bet people are recruiting potential terrorists left right and center by saying how the cruel infidels are treating their brother

a means that isn't the most reliable considering its from a source that knows he's screwed and has no problem dying. I'm glad only a handful would decide to do this. And of course this makes the US look great doesn't it.

I bet people are recruiting potential terrorists left right and center by saying how the cruel infidels are treating their brother

Okay, so now we're going back to "He knows he's guilty. He's boned. (et al)"

Honestly, I don't think America gives a shit about its foreign policy anymore. We could invent a cure for cancer and spread it globally and there would still be riots in the streets all over about Iraq.

I knew it all along.

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/7383/78584265nj3.jpg

I'm glad he's in custody, and why he only tried to assasinate Democrats.

Because the Republicans under Dear Leader Dubya has provided enormous propaganda and recruitment bonuses to Al-Qaeda, duh.

The Phoenix sun has probably given him heatstroke. It would explain a great many things about some of his posts.

We set a record for the 14th of March with 91 today... not pleasant.

At any rate: calling it a "disgrace" that a suspect wasn't shot out of hand instead of being given a trial, civilized treatment, &c. is on par with the Nazi, soviet, terrorist, murderer, barbarian mindset at its worst.

I honestly think what IDF is trying to say is that any sort of due process would be hung up in administrative bullshit for years... I mean, honestly, imagine trying this guy and all the other high-list Gitmo detainees in civil courts.

It'd take forever with our legal system.

Doing the right thing is always harder than doing the wrong thing.

I'm glad he's in custody, and why he only tried to assasinate Democrats.

The Pope is a Democrat?

And about those torture processes... the Chinese and Russians have methods that make American methods look like some tea and biscuits.

And the Khmer Rouge used tactics similar to those used at Guantanamo. for example, they used a version of waterboarding at their "prisons". Which produced equally useful "confessions".

The Pope is a Democrat?

:eek:

Okay, so now we're going back to "He knows he's guilty. He's boned. (et al)"

Honestly, I don't think America gives a shit about its foreign policy anymore. We could invent a cure for cancer and spread it globally and there would still be riots in the streets all over about Iraq.


Back? Come on its pretty secure that he's "boned"

I just think its fair to say that America isn't doing itself, or its citizens many favours. But hey we have the benefit of hindsight

I just think its fair to say that America isn't doing itself, or its citizens many favours. But hey we have the benefit of hindsight

Not yet we don't. We haven't reached the point where we can't give him a trail.

Lock him up throw away the key

Execute him and prepare for a new wave of recruits ready to die against the infidel west

Thats the way I see it anyway

QFT.

From news.com.au

The transcript also outlines some of the evidence against Mohammed, including a computer seized containing names and photos of the September 11 hijackers, the pilot's licence of the plot's operational chief Mohammed Atta and letters from bin Laden.

Physical evidence.

I think we should try him, find him guilty (pretty easy to predict the verdict in this case, since we're really more concerned about him claiming credit for more stuff than he did rather than try to somehow get himself off), and then just lock him up and let him rot.

If you execute him, you make him a martyr. Not a good move.

WOW

It's taken 4 years in a secret CIA prison and then 3 years in Gitmo before someone releases a statement saying he has confessed to every unsolved terrorist act ever

I am so impressed with American justice:rolleyes:

Perhaps if things such as 'legal representation' and 'trial' replaced things like 'secret CIA prison' we would believe it more

Shame on America for claiming this is justice

I am sure that if any of us were held in those circumstances we would confess to anything

After however many years we've been torturing him or having him tortured, i'm sure he'd 'confess' to being the only southern baptist member of the Mossad if we asked him.

Disgusting that we would print confessions of torture victims, despicable.

Precisely. We all know what the US does to get these "confessions" in these so called military "courts", so this is quite the shameless travesty.

Like that Saddam fella...with his WMD.

It's funny how they think the US has any credibility left.

Ok granted, we all knew this since he was captured but now it is official. What are your thoughts?

Presumably hes also confessed to the 'Titanic', wrecking the 'Hesperus', as well as taking care of the 'Hindenberg'.

Put you or anybody else in there for long enough and you'll confess to assasinating the last 5 popes.


KSM is obviously guilty. His ties with terror were well known long before 9/11. His role in September 11th was widely known worldwide before he was arrested. ?

Like that Saddam fella...with his WMD.

including a computer seized containing names and photos of the September 11 hijackers, the pilot's licence of the plot's operational chief Mohammed Atta and letters from bin Laden.

Physical evidence.?

....which could have been used in a credible trial.....

Under torture, people don't tell their captors the truth. They tell their captors what they want to hear. Given enough time, one could get almost anyone to confess to the most disgusting things if they thought it would make the ordeal stop.

It's really completely stupid with this case, too. I mean, KSM actually had a trial, he'd almost certainly be convicted. I'd point out how hypocritical it makes our government, but all those things have been said before.

In a military tribunal, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed admits that he planned, not only 9/11 but also the following:

Attempted assassinations of Carter, Clinton, and the Pope
Shoe bomber Richard Reid
Bali

List of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's Confessions (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,258818,00.html)
Click Here to Read the Full Transcript From the Hearing (http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/transcript_ISN10024.pdf)

Ok granted, we all knew this since he was captured but now it is official. What are your thoughts?

Yes well I am sure he would have told them he was the Prophet Muhammad reincarnated if they kept going on long enough, or perhaps Adolf Hitler.

Presumably hes also confessed to the 'Titanic', wrecking the 'Hesperus', as well as taking care of the 'Hindenberg'.

Put you or anybody else in there for long enough and you'll confess to assasinating the last 5 popes.

*yawns*

Any more assumptions you want to make or do you get off on being a jackass.

Any more assumptions

The truth that the US tortures people and convenes kangaroo courts for them where they present the results of this torture is not an assumption.

Guess we know who's next in line for 'martyrdom.' Give 'em what they want, I say.

Why?

I shot JR!

:eek:

He looks like an evil Ron Jeremy.
http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2007/US/03/14/guantanamo.mohammed/newt1.ksm.new.ap.jpg

He looks like an evil Ron Jeremy.
http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2007/US/03/14/guantanamo.mohammed/newt1.ksm.new.ap.jpg

Until below-the-waist shots surface, that will be completely baseless. *waits*

The truth that the US tortures people and convenes kangaroo courts for them where they present the results of this torture is not an assumption.

...and Sweden helps them

http://hrw.org/english/docs/2006/11/09/sweden14548.htm

Until below-the-waist shots surface, that will be completely baseless. *waits*

We should send him to Abu Ghraib and wait a while. I'm sure they'll turn up. ;)

...and Sweden helps them
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2006/11/09/sweden14548.htm

And Sweden has been rebuked over it by the UN and the EU and the Council of Europe and so forth and very rightfully so - any shit we get over this, we deserve because of being such idiots and colluding with the US (this is what happens when Sweden sleeps with such dogs), and the last government lost ministers and ultimately power over it, and it has been the biggest political scandal we've seen in this decade.

You honestly didn't think this was an enormous story as it was uncovered three years ago and that it didn't have repercussions? Just because such actions go unpunished in the US doesn't mean they go unpunished elsewhere.

OMG a rebuke. *runs around in cirlces*

As if those mean anything in International Affairs these days.

OMG a rebuke. *runs around in cirlces*
As if those mean anything in International Affairs these days.

They do in Sweden's internal politics. As I said, you didn't see the minister responsible in government after a few months, and you don't see that government still in power. These rebukes have had a huge impact here and have been highly publicised, unlike in certain other countries that sweep them under the rug and go on like nothing happened...

They do in Sweden's internal politics. As I said, you didn't see the minister responsible in government after a few months, and you don't see that government still in power. These rebukes have had a huge impact here and have been highly publicised, unlike in certain other countries that sweep them under the rug and go on like nothing happened...

That's because sweden does not have a back bone. Alwell. I'm glad I don't live there.

So, what do they do for punishment? Force them to listen to old ABBA records?

I believe that violates the Geneva Convention. :p

They do in Sweden's internal politics. As I said, you didn't see the minister responsible in power after a few months, and you don't see that government still in power. These rebukes have had a huge impact here and have been highly publicised, unlike in certain other countries that sweep them under the rug and go on like nothing happened...

Yeah, they don't hang people in Sweden anymore...

So, what do they do for punishment? Force them to listen to old ABBA records?

That's because sweden does not have a back bone. Alwell. I'm glad I don't live there.


Corneliu astutely point out that Sweden is an invertebrate.

That's because sweden does not have a back bone.

Probably not, seeing what dogs we laid with in this affair, but we still have accountability and still hold ourselves to higher standards than you do yourselves.

Yeah, they don't hang people in Sweden anymore...

Of course we don't. We haven't for a century. It's called "progress".

So, what do they do for punishment? Force them to listen to old ABBA records?

ABBA rules, sweetie. Now, go listen to some Taylor Hicks and "Achy, breaky heart" like we know you do.

Why?

Apparently he wants another 9/11. Sick fucker.

He looks like an evil Ron Jeremy.
http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2007/US/03/14/guantanamo.mohammed/newt1.ksm.new.ap.jpg

Talk about a fashion faux pas...

"Hey Mossback!"

*yawns*

Any more assumptions you want to make or do you get off on being a jackass.

So its an 'assumption' that you can make people say anything if you torture them enough?


ABBA rules, sweetie. Now, go listen to some Taylor Hicks and "Achy, breaky heart" like we know you do. .

I think that retort gives you pwnage there.

I think that retort gives you pwnage there.

I think not.

If you, like Fass, believe that Americans love trashy music, ABBA sold more records in the US than Taylor Hicks ever will.

Game. Set. Match.

I think not.

If you, like Fass, believe that Americans love trashy music, ABBA sold more records in the US than Taylor Hicks ever will.

Game. Set. Match.

Indeed.

KSM is obviously guilty. His ties with terror were well known long before 9/11. His role in September 11th was widely known worldwide before he was arrested.

What I dont' get is that people on this forum believe he is innocent. Those people need to stop drinking the Kool-aid.

I didn't see where anyone here said he was innocent. Please show the post to support your accusation. What I do see is people standing up for due process, decency, and the rule of law. All of those things are admirable. Once he is tried I then suggest we burn his manly parts with battery acid and then force him to watch a gorgeous woman service herself for hours. Continue this until he's beaten his skull in himself in his cage and let him bleed out on his own. He deserves all these things and more but only after the due process of law. "We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal and endowed by the creator..." Unfortunately that even goes for terrorist masterminds as well.

I think not.

If you, like Fass, believe that Americans love trashy music, ABBA sold more records in the US than Taylor Hicks ever will.

Game. Set. Match.

Well, he was referring to you, and not America or Americans. Now you might argue that you don't listen to 'shit kickin' steroetypical redneck music (and indeed may not) but your usual style of socio-political commentary places you within that cultural millieu. Therefore metaphorically, if not also literally, he's correct.

After however many years we've been torturing him or having him tortured, i'm sure he'd 'confess' to being the only southern baptist member of the Mossad if we asked him.

Disgusting that we would print confessions of torture victims, despicable.

Did I miss the part where someone knows this piece of shit was "tortured" by anyone?


The only torture associated with this individual is everytime there is a story about him I have to see his disgusting,flea bitten,bed head mug shot.

and oh-yeah-He is apparently the one that sawed-off a journalist-Daniel Pearl's head.

Yeah, they don't hang people in Sweden anymore...

So, what do they do for punishment? Force them to listen to old ABBA records?

I admit it- I like some of ABBA's stuff.

In a military tribunal, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed admits that he planned, not only 9/11 but also the following:

Attempted assassinations of Carter, Clinton, and the Pope
Shoe bomber Richard Reid
Bali

List of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's Confessions (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,258818,00.html)
Click Here to Read the Full Transcript From the Hearing (http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/transcript_ISN10024.pdf)

Ok granted, we all knew this since he was captured but now it is official. What are your thoughts?


I have two problems with this post:

Fox news is not a source.

That Khalid guy is in Guantanamo, isn't he?
Shove enough lightbulbs up someones arse and eventually he'll confess anything you want. Therefore, his confession can not be taken seriously.

I think not.

If you, like Fass, believe that Americans love trashy music, ABBA sold more records in the US than Taylor Hicks ever will.

Game. Set. Match.

I dont know why you still address that. Everytime you validate that snyde drivel with a response,we have to be subjected to another.

I have two problems with this post:

Fox news is not a source.

ITS THE ASSOCIATED PRESS!!!!

That Khalid guy is in Guantanamo, isn't he?
Shove enough lightbulbs up someones arse and eventually he'll confess anything you want. Therefore, his confession can not be taken seriously.

Prove he's been tortured.

The truth that the US tortures people and convenes kangaroo courts for them where they present the results of this torture is not an assumption.

What did kangaroos ever do to get roped into being a part of an unjust trial?

Anyway, I was instantly skeptical about this guys claims; just seemed like an awful lot for one man. But not having read anything about him I've no idea so shouldn't be speaking on the subject, I just wanted to defend kangaroos is all.

Prove he's been tortured.

Of course he hasn't been tortured - he's had a fair trial with access to the legal system, and his confession was nicely recorded in open court with evidence to back it up.......

.......oh, sorry.....I forgot he was in Gitmo for a second there:rolleyes:

As theres testimony from the FBI witnessing various abuses at the camp (see the ACLU site), I think it more incumbent on you to show he hasn't been, particularily in light of the kangaroo court (no offence Kangaroos) hes up before.

Prove that KSM was tortured.

Prove he's been tortured.

As theres testimony from the FBI witnessing various abuses at the camp (see the ACLU site), I think it more incumbent on you to show he hasn't been, particularily in light of the kangaroo court (no offence Kangaroos) hes up before.

ITS THE ASSOCIATED PRESS!!!!

Link provided by OP = Foxnews.


Prove he's been tortured. It's a known fact americans torture their prisoners, therefore it is logical to assume that they done the same in this case. Of course, now that Americans are starting to use "newspeak" they probably call it "gentle encouragement".

Prove he's been tortured.
You completely misunderstand.
One party has its apparent enemy in its abosolute power and to continue this status they need to get them to do something. You have to be able rely on quite heavily on the current good reputation of the captor to reasonably assume an absence of cohersion such as torture. So in case it's unreasonable to assume an absence of cohersion (including torture).

Meh, after a few years of torture in Guantanamo he'd probably have confessed to stealing fire from the gods and having been the second gunman on the grassy knoll if they'd asked him. :rolleyes:

EDIT: Nodina beat me to it.

Aren't there times when you really miss John Belushi?

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2006/09/KhalidSheikhAP_535x700.jpg

http://a123.g.akamai.net/f/123/12465/1d/media.canada.com/cp/entertainment/20070303/e030329a.jpg?size=l

In corny's world of fiction and lies (see, for a recent example, his fantasy and lies about how perjury works in the scooter libby thread) it is a fact that confessions obtained under torture are reliable, and an assumption that they are not.

Further, people who have the gall to question confessions gained by torture are 'jackasses.'

And the proof of torture on him is?

So its an 'assumption' that you can make people say anything if you torture them enough?



I think that retort gives you pwnage there.

In corny's world of fiction and lies (see, for a recent example, his fantasy and lies about how perjury works in the scooter libby thread) it is a fact that confessions obtained under torture are reliable, and an assumption that they are not.

Further, people who have the gall to question confessions gained by torture are 'jackasses.'

Its funny how they get to milk him every time they need a reason why there's a war in Iraq, or Guantanamo mess up (they can't find Osama, Zarqawi is dead, Saddam is dead, "oh yeah we still got the funny hairy looking guy from Pakistan" Why did it take this long for him to confess?, I wonder what he got in return for his confession.

*yawns*

Any more assumptions you want to make or do you get off on being a jackass.
And being a devout Bushevik who has totally supported the illegal invasion of Iraq and the killing of innocent civilians, even suggesting "carpet bombing" them, suggested BBQing innocent Iranians with nukes.......how are you any better then this Khalid Sheikh Mohammed?

Who are you to pass judgement?

OMG a rebuke. *runs around in cirlces*

As if those mean anything in International Affairs these days.

QFT.

And being a devout Bushevik who has totally supported the illegal invasion of Iraq and the killing of innocent civilians, even suggesting "carpet bombing" them, suggested BBQing innocent Iranians with nukes.......how are you any better then this Khalid Sheikh Mohammed?


At the very least, he hasnt cut off anyone's head with his blessed right hand.

At the very least, he hasnt cut off anyone's head with his blessed right hand.

....though it is true to say hes a one handed typist......

Its funny how they get to milk him every time they need a reason why there's a war in Iraq, or Guantanamo mess up (they can't find Osama, Zarqawi is dead, Saddam is dead, "oh yeah we still got the funny hairy looking guy from Pakistan" Why did it take this long for him to confess?, I wonder what he got in return for his confession.

At one stage it was being said that suspects were being told that a confession would mean a custodial sentence as oppossed to a trial where the prosecution would seek the death sentence.....This is also released on the day of more debate on Iraq in the American congress and various mumblings about hiring and firing of lawyers by Mr "beatem" Gonazlez....It smells, really.

He admits to be behind a lot of things. Do you believe him, take his word for it?

He says he was tortured. Do you believe him? Why would he lie about it when he also says he's making the statements about what he was responsible for willingly and not under duress? He says he's made false statements befor because of his treatment. Is that a lie or not?

He says many detainees are unjustly held, and that some have made false statements because of their treatment by the CIA and interregators. Is that a lie?

Why did it take this long for him to confess?,

His confession and the release of his confession are two different things. :)

KSM is obviously guilty. His ties with terror were well known long before 9/11. His role in September 11th was widely known worldwide before he was arrested.
Good, then we should get an easy conviction.
What I dont' get is that people on this forum believe he is innocent. Those people need to stop drinking the Kool-aid.
Who ever mentioned him being innocent? Maybe you should follow your own advice?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larisa-alexandrovna/where-is-waldo-err-khal_b_43503.html

Where is Waldo, err, Khalid Sheik Mohammed?

The military tribunal has one hell of a side-show going on and has - as intended - blocked all real news from seeing the light of day. According to a transcript released by the tribunal, the person confessing to the attacks of September 11, 2001 is Khalid Sheik Mohammed (KSM). We cannot see him or hear him, but we are told that he is at Gitmo, confessing in person.
The reason we cannot see or hear him? Something having to do with national security we are told, although that too is also classified.

And although we have had KSM in custody for 4 years, tortured at various secret facilities around the globe, it is only now, that he delivers a confession. Just who are we to believe this man is confessing to? If he is confessing to the public, then why is the public missing from the tribunal, even in some capacity? And why are we to believe that the man who is allegedly confessing is the man called Khalid Sheik Mohammed? What evidence do we have to support this allegation? We have allegedly held this man for 4 years and we have but 2 photos of him and no video or audio?

I cannot believe most of this, frankly. In order to do that, I would have to deny even my most basic ability to reason. I have no idea what is going on here, but I am unwilling to be played like a fool by an administration that continues to play politics with everything sacred to this nation.

During his confession, we are told, KSM has also allegedly claimed that he killed Danny Pearl, the Wall Street Journal reporter who was kidnapped and beheaded in Pakistan. I am not a lawyer, but how does this work? If one part of a confession is apparently false, what is the value of the rest of the so-called confession? You see, the man who murdered Danny Pearl was a British born intelligence agent for the Pakistan's ISI: the BBC reported:

British-born Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh has been sentenced to death for abducting and murdering US journalist Daniel Pearl.

"Omar Sheikh, 27, was born in London, attended the London School of Economics and was a close associate of Maulana Azhar Masood - founder of the banned Jaish-e-Mohammad (JEM) group, which India blames for an attack on its parliament in December 2001.

And there is even video of him, if you can imagine such a thing in the age of media and technology. Pearl was investigating how September 11 was funded, tracing the money from an order given by Pakistani General Mahmoud Ahmad to his asset Omar Sheikh, who in turn wired at least $100,000 via Dubia to Mohammed Atta (the lead 9/11 hijacker). Ahmad was at that time head of ISI, Pakistan's intelligence. Pearl was tracking the bag boy - Omar Sheikh - when he was murdered, by Omar Sheikh.

Frankly, I find this all very suspect and as cynical as this sounds, very well orchestrated possibly to divert attention from numerous colliding scandals. There are but two snap shots of KSM, old ones at that, no video or audio, despite us having him in our custody for 4 years. Why is that? Would his face as it is now inspire a bombing of some sort? Is he somehow disfigured or crippled? Is he even alive? I think these are all reasonable questions, don't you?

But not only am I asked to deny my own reason, in order to believe this story, I am asked to accept on faith that the missing information is critical to our national security. In other words, I have no right to the truth as it would put my life at risk, despite the fact that the truth is about my life already having been put at risk.

Even if there is some legal or moral claim that this suspect is not entitled to a fair trial, am I as an American to also be denied justice? Do I not have the right to witness, even at a distance, the confession of a man who claims to have orchestrated the murder of my friends and neighbors? Is this justice when neither the suspect nor the victim are given a voice or legal recourse? Mirrors reflecting mirrors.

Why is KSM docked for Daniel Pearl killing? Is he taking the fall for Omar Sheikh? If his confession is true, then why is Omar Sheikh still being held by Pakistan for the Pearl killing? More importantly, it is to be noted that Omar Sheikh has never been questioned by US authorities. If they can bring all sorts of riff-raffs to gitmo, why not an important person like Omar?

Won't be too long before KSM also confesses to the following:

1) Being the fabled Real Killer that O.J. Simpson is always looking for.
2) Being the actual kidnapper and murderer of Jon-Benet Ramsey.
3) Having sent the anthrax to the Congressional office by mail.
4) Having blown up the space shuttles Challenger and Columbia.
5) Hiding the WMDs that Saddam Hussein *did* possess.
6) Leading the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.
7) Pushing the iceberg towards the Titanic.

and so on, and so forth.

Prove that KSM was tortured.

To take a page of this current administration, I assert that he is, thereby, the onus of proof on you is to prove that he is. And even if you can start proving it, I will use testimonies from unreliable drunks to assert my 'slam dunk' case.

Isn't it lovely when your actions come back to bite you in the ass?

he's just trieing to throw ppl off bushs trail. that idiot is the real mastermind behind all the worlds problems. he set up 911 so ppl could call in about the election frod--i mean distract ppl from teh frod and launch the cuntry into a never-ending war for oil because its all about the oil.

Won't be too long before KSM also confesses to the following:

1) Being the fabled Real Killer that O.J. Simpson is always looking for.
2) Being the actual kidnapper and murderer of Jon-Benet Ramsey.
3) Having sent the anthrax to the Congressional office by mail.
4) Having blown up the space shuttles Challenger and Columbia.
5) Hiding the WMDs that Saddam Hussein *did* possess.
6) Leading the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.
7) Pushing the iceberg towards the Titanic.

and so on, and so forth.
I think I heard that list on an Air America show tonight while one my way home. What was the name of the host? Started with an "R" I think. Still, I doubt he was tortured (at least by the guards, the cooks are another matter) and I dojn't understand why so many people find it so hard to believe that this guy was involved in several terroist activities at some stage. You don't just get one crack at it then you're done unless you're the suicide bomber.

The Military Tribunal does not give trials, it gives verdicts.

The Military Tribunal does not give trials, it gives verdicts.
It gives a trial. The justice is swift, the punishments severe, but it is a trial.

It gives a trial. The justice is swift, the punishments severe, but it is a trial.

Justice is anything but "swift."

Given the FACT that the US military uses torture techniques, I don't find this "confession" very credible.

Not credible at all! Too bad he's not a little older or he could have confessed to the Kennedy assassination as well. Oh uh, nevermind... They already had someone to pin that one on.

ITS THE ASSOCIATED PRESS!!!!



Prove he's been tortured.

Well, the Associated Press has come out with stories claiming that detainees are being tortured. But of course, you can't count on everything the AP says.

Go and thoroughly read recent bills that have been signed.

It gives a trial. The justice is swift, the punishments severe, but it is a trial.

Wrong.

Justice requires that you can have legal representation, bring forward your own witnesses, have access to all of the evidence being used against you, and be able to challenge that evidence and the system itself. Justice does not allow hearsay or testimony gained through torture, it requires an independent impartial judge/s and the right to trial by peers if wanted. This tribunal is not even close to justice as defined by International Law and the Geneva Convention for POW's.

What the Tribunal is, is a mockery of justice, a judiciary with no separation from the Executive and is full of political interference. It is a political show trial designed to push a political agenda, it is not designed to give fair trials or not guilty verdicts, the verdicts have already been decided, Bush has said as much, calling them all 'Killers' before the 'trial' had even started. It's disgusting and every American should be ashamed of what their govt is doing in their name, I certainly would be.

And as for swift justice, see: David Hicks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hicks), and pretty much everyone else in that prison. Five years, 2 of which is solitary confinement? Swift Justice?

I think I heard that list on an Air America show tonight while one my way home. What was the name of the host? Started with an "R" I think. Still, I doubt he was tortured (at least by the guards, the cooks are another matter) and I dojn't understand why so many people find it so hard to believe that this guy was involved in several terroist activities at some stage. You don't just get one crack at it then you're done unless you're the suicide bomber.

The surprise is not in whether or not KSM actually did those, moreso it's that the confessions took so long to emerge and the believable supposition that the United States behaved more like China in extracting the confessions. Plus an NPR story mentioned that KSM is a braggart and attention whore who's probably looking for another 15 minutes.

In a military tribunal ...
Ok granted, we all knew this since he was captured but now it is official. What are your thoughts?

the key phrase here isn't the name of some poor bastard who was tortured until he'd "confess" to anything, but the phrase "military tribunal".

at any rate, my thoughts, and those of anyone who read or heard anything that didn't come from the corporate media for the past six years, is that the planing for the events of 11-sep-2001, were a matter of public record for more then a decade before it happened. whoever this guy is/was, whatever his feelings or intentions, HE couldn't have written project northwoods or whatever it was called, if he had wanted to.

a much younger donald rumsfield, during the time of the raygun administration, almost certainly, though i cannot prove this, and if i could i'd probably be in gitmo to prevent me from blabbing about it and suggesting it to anyone else, did.

=^^=
.../\...

he's just trieing to throw ppl off bushs trail. that idiot is the real mastermind behind all the worlds problems. he set up 911 so ppl could call in about the election frod--i mean distract ppl from teh frod and launch the cuntry into a never-ending war for oil because its all about the oil.

Nice sarcasm! NOT!!

The Military Tribunal does not give trials, it gives verdicts.

Oh it is a trial Andaras Prime.

Aren't there times when you really miss John Belushi?

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2006/09/KhalidSheikhAP_535x700.jpg

http://a123.g.akamai.net/f/123/12465/1d/media.canada.com/cp/entertainment/20070303/e030329a.jpg?size=l

See,when I look at Belushi, I dont imagine him smelling like an old onion in a pair of unwashed sweaty cabby underpants.

You know the shiekh be stinkin' on his best day.

I am not too sure if God looks at it that way.......

I'm missing it,CanuckHeaven. Did Cornileu cut someone's head off yet?

At the very least, he hasnt cut off anyone's head with his blessed right hand.
I am not too sure if God looks at it that way.......

I am not too sure if God looks at it that way.......

Well, Khalid evidently does. Whether or not God will give him 72 virgins, or a pineapple up the ass for all eternity is something he has yet to discover.

Well, Khalid evidently does. Whether or not God will give him 72 virgins, or a pineapple up the ass for all eternity is something he has yet to discover.
It would seem that many religious types such as yourself also seem to have difficulty with understanding God's will/reward system?

BTW, in reference to your siggy.....

God = coalition forces????

In a military tribunal, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed admits that he planned, not only 9/11 but also the following:

Attempted assassinations of Carter, Clinton, and the Pope
Shoe bomber Richard Reid
Bali

List of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's Confessions (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,258818,00.html)
Click Here to Read the Full Transcript From the Hearing (http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/transcript_ISN10024.pdf)

Ok granted, we all knew this since he was captured but now it is official. What are your thoughts?

Be a attention seeking bull-shitter as many of the Islamic militants in his company reportedly saw Khalid as, and he will tell many a tale to keep you entertained into the wee hours.


Having said that, if you torture someone long enough they will tell you whatever you want to hear them say, as long as the pain stops.

It would seem that many religious types such as yourself also seem to have difficulty with understanding God's will/reward system?

BTW, in reference to your siggy.....

God = coalition forces????

I didnt understand what you meant in post #125, if that order hasnt been changed again by the time you read this.

Having said that, if you torture someone long enough they will tell you whatever you want to hear them say, as long as the pain stops.

This isnt necessarily true,but very popular notion on TV shows and movies.

Do you seriously think the people talking with this individual dont know what they are doing?
This isnt the Vietnam war where US soldiers were actually physically and mentally tortured for years. Many of which never gave up any secrets or complied with thier torturors in any way.

It would seem that many religious types such as yourself also seem to have difficulty with understanding God's will/reward system?

BTW, in reference to your siggy.....

God = coalition forces????

About the signature...

You may remember Zarqawi, the little fella who got a 2000 pound curb stomp in Iraq?

He kept saying in his pronoucements that he was in the "Path of God".

Looks like he should have stepped out of the way...

Seems like a pro-active chap......

lol

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About the signature...

You may remember Zarqawi, the little fella who got a 2000 pound curb stomp in Iraq?

He kept saying in his pronoucements that he was in the "Path of God".

Looks like he should have stepped out of the way...

Zarqawi, the small-time thug who turned into an Al-Qaeda Fanboy to satisfy the attention whore in himself.

Zarqawi, the Al-Qaeda Fanboy who made it a pet project to attack Shiites despite Bin Ladin's attempts to make it a pan-Islamic campaign against the West.

Zarqawi, the nobody whose death really didn't do shit to stop the body counts in Iraq.

Mission Accomplished eh?

Zarqawi, the small-time thug who turned into an Al-Qaeda Fanboy to satisfy the attention whore in himself.

Zarqawi, the Al-Qaeda Fanboy who made it a pet project to attack Shiites despite Bin Ladin's attempts to make it a pan-Islamic campaign against the West.

Zarqawi, the nobody whose death really didn't do shit to stop the body counts in Iraq.

Mission Accomplished eh?

Zarqawi, the guy who killed a lot of people, and got curb stomped for it.

I'm sure the body count would be higher if he were still alive.

So, mission accomplished.

I'm sure you would have been happy to let him continue killing people - after all, it's OK with you if he kills people for fun.

Be a attention seeking bull-shitter as many of the Islamic militants in his company reportedly saw Khalid as, and he will tell many a tale to keep you entertained into the wee hours.

Let's not forget Zack Moussaoui, who was ranting like an action-movie jihadist when he thought he was going to fry, then started thanking the American Justice system and changed his story to "I was a patsy for Al-Qaeda" when he got life in prison instead.

Another attention whore who really didn't do as much as he claimed.

Having said that, if you torture someone long enough they will tell you whatever you want to hear them say, as long as the pain stops.

According to the Busheviks here on NSG, it's not torture until footage gets leaked to the public. Over 4 years for a confession, rather convenient no? You'd think Khalid and Bush were scratching each others back. KSM confesses to all sorts of thing and he gets 15 more minutes of fame, Bush gives his worshippers a hardon to get worked up about and material to try and convince everyone else he's fighting terrur.

Let's not forget Zack Moussaoui, who was ranting like an action-movie jihadist when he thought he was going to fry, then started thanking the American Justice system and changed his story to "I was a patsy for Al-Qaeda" when he got life in prison instead.

Another attention whore who really didn't do as much as he claimed.

According to the Busheviks here on NSG, it's not torture until footage gets leaked to the public. Over 4 years for a confession, rather convenient no? You'd think Khalid and Bush were scratching each others back. KSM confesses to all sorts of thing and he gets 15 more minutes of fame, Bush gives his worshippers a hardon to get worked up about and material to try and convince everyone else he's fighting terrur.

Let's not forget Gauthier, who doesn't believe that any of al-Qaeda did 9/11.

Zarqawi, the guy who killed a lot of people, and got curb stomped for it.

I'm sure the body count would be higher if he were still alive.

So, mission accomplished.

I'm sure you would have been happy to let him continue killing people - after all, it's OK with you if he kills people for fun.

Straw man Kimchi. See the straw man burn.

:rolleyes:

Show a link proving I put up with Al-Zarqawi, much less condoned his murder spree. I think that falls under "Duh, No Shit" when it comes to saying he was an asshole and that he got what was coming. But his death didn't do shit to stop the blood flood in Iraq.

Let's not forget Gauthier, who doesn't believe that any of al-Qaeda did 9/11.

Got proof to back up that statement Kimchi?

Of course you don't.

:rolleyes:

Straw man Kimchi. See the straw man burn.

:rolleyes:

Show a link proving I put up with Al-Zarqawi, much less condoned his murder spree. I think that falls under "Duh, No Shit" when it comes to saying he was an asshole and that he got what was coming. But his death didn't do shit to stop the blood flood in Iraq.

I don't have to. You've posted in this thread that you think these guys are just dupes, patsies, and poster boys for al-Qaeda.

Even if you do think they've killed people, you don't think they deserve to die for it.

All we have to do is read your posts in this thread.

Even if you do think they've killed people, you don't think they deserve to die for it.

All we have to do is read your posts in this thread.

Kimchi, show a link where I exactly said they shouldn't die.

Again, you have no proof to back that bullshit up.

Ad hominem, false dilemma and putting words in other people's mouth.

You're starting to turn into another Corny.

Kimchi, show a link where I exactly said they shouldn't die.

Again, you have no proof to back that bullshit up.

Ad hominem, false dilemma and putting words in other people's mouth.

You're starting to turn into another Corny.

You're saying it was a waste of time to kill him.
You think that Moussasoui was just a patsy - so it follows that he's an innocent who shouldn't die.
You think that KSM is either bragging or was tortured - so nothing he says is valid - so he's an innocent who shouldn't die.

Do I have to do all the thinking for you?

You're saying it was a waste of time to kill him.
You think that Moussasoui was just a patsy - so it follows that he's an innocent who shouldn't die.
You think that KSM is either bragging or was tortured - so nothing he says is valid - so he's an innocent who shouldn't die.

Do I have to do all the thinking for you?

Now you're going for the Slippery Slope fallacy Kimchi? Corny-grade material there.

1) Moussaoui was convicted of being one of the conspirators. Bush was pushing for the death sentence despite him not being an actual hijacker (which was a death sentence in itself had he actually made it.) A life sentence is sensible. Justice is served, but since he's a Muslim you obviously want him to die regardless. See? I can do slippery slope too.

2) It's a likelihood that KSM actually did one or more of what he confessed to- but not all. Plus if he was really guilty, a trial would have been a better way to prove it than holing him up 4 years in some secret location with likely interrogation methods you'd expect from China to finally confess. Again you pull a slippery slope out of your ass when you say I assumed his innocence.

Again, you're full of it. As usual.

Got proof to back up that statement Kimchi?

Of course you don't.

:rolleyes:

lol.

Very funny since you have not proved that EO is DK.

I seriously dunno why you persist with that claim. It's not like EO's posts cannot be refuted without making unsubstantiated allegations like that.

Even the big Nazis got a fair trial and weren't tortured. The USA missed chance of showing the world the meaning of justice.

He may be guilty, but this "trial" is just a fake. :headbang:

Even the big Nazis got a fair trial and weren't tortured. The USA missed chance of showing the world the meaning of justice.

He may be guilty, but this "trial" is just a fake. :headbang:

I doubt its a fake but then, everyone has an opinion that we all should respect.

About the signature...

You may remember Zarqawi, the little fella who got a 2000 pound curb stomp in Iraq?

He kept saying in his pronoucements that he was in the "Path of God".

Looks like he should have stepped out of the way...
Yet you chose to extend his thoughts (Zarqawi's) to all terrorist activities? and then you still intend that the coalition = God?

Let's not forget Zack Moussaoui, who was ranting like an action-movie jihadist when he thought he was going to fry, then started thanking the American Justice system and changed his story to "I was a patsy for Al-Qaeda" when he got life in prison instead.

Another attention whore who really didn't do as much as he claimed.



According to the Busheviks here on NSG, it's not torture until footage gets leaked to the public. Over 4 years for a confession, rather convenient no? You'd think Khalid and Bush were scratching each others back. KSM confesses to all sorts of thing and he gets 15 more minutes of fame, Bush gives his worshippers a hardon to get worked up about and material to try and convince everyone else he's fighting terrur.


Take a deep breath,my friend. We dont care that much,just glad another piece of shit is in custody. Hope they shaved him and checked his teeth too.

Calm your hysterical suppositions.


I think its more likely this two legged turd is guilty of a few bad things-certainly enough to kill him over, and likely had something to do with everything else.

But he may feel like he is doing his part for his cause by trying to take the credit for stuff the rest of his twisted shit head cronies did,like maybe we'll close the caes and continue to let them frolick.

We ought to let him go-see what flies this shit attracts. And round up a few more.

I didnt understand what you meant in post #125, if that order hasnt been changed again by the time you read this.
When you read Corny's siggy, you might think that he is speaking on behalf of God in regards to the topics discussed here, and yet he supports atrocities against Muslims. I don't see how he is any better then the subject of this thread......Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

When you read Corny's siggy, you might think that he is speaking on behalf of God in regards to the topics discussed here, and yet he supports atrocities against Muslims. I don't see how he is any better then the subject of this thread......Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

I guess I dont know how to have the sigs on,so I havent read or tried to interpret it.

personally, I think its foolish to believe you speak on God's behalf.

Whomever your God may be.

I think its more likely this two legged turd is guilty of a few bad things-certainly enough to kill him over, and likely had something to do with everything else.


Sadly, thats probably more or less the wording in the official files....

They "tortured" poor little patsy Khaled Shit Mohamed,simply by locking him in a cel with this guy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Richard_reid.jpg



Holy Shit!! I just looked at that picture and immediately admitted to my wife that I was the father of Anna Nicole's baby!!!

I doubt its a fake but then, everyone has an opinion that we all should respect.

Well, I'm sure there was a process - but in this case, it's worth nothing.

Why not make a public process, where KMS could take a lawyer? I don't see any reason against it.

Well, I'm sure there was a process - but in this case, it's worth nothing.

Why not make a public process, where KMS could take a lawyer? I don't see any reason against it.

sadaam had one and many still criticized it-maybe its only "fair" if the guy is found innocent-or pleads down and gets time served and public service.

Does this guy somehow deserve any "fair" trial or lawyer? What laws did he live by?
Maybe treat him exactly as those laws allow.

sadaam had one and many still criticized it-maybe its only "fair" if the guy is found innocent-or pleads down and gets time served and public service.

Does this guy somehow deserve any "fair" trial or lawyer? What laws did he live by?
Maybe treat him exactly as those laws allow.

Then don't release that yearly report criticizing other countries.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A3840-2005Mar3.html

Does this guy somehow deserve any "fair" trial or lawyer?
Yes.

In a military tribunal, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed admits that he planned, not only 9/11 but also the following:

Attempted assassinations of Carter, Clinton, and the Pope
Shoe bomber Richard Reid
Bali

List of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's Confessions (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,258818,00.html)
Click Here to Read the Full Transcript From the Hearing (http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/transcript_ISN10024.pdf)

Ok granted, we all knew this since he was captured but now it is official. What are your thoughts?

Smart guy. He avoided the torture machine.

Does this guy somehow deserve any "fair" trial or lawyer?
He does. Everyone does. It's a little thing called justice.

For true justice to be done, a trial must be conducted openly, fairly and professionally. Anything less is simple revenge or plain punishment.

When you read Corny's siggy, you might think that he is speaking on behalf of God in regards to the topics discussed here, and yet he supports atrocities against Muslims. I don't see how he is any better then the subject of this thread......Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

BULLSHIT. I do not support atrocities against Muslims in any way, shape, or form. This post is nothing more than flamebaiting. Prove I support atrocities against Muslims!

I doubt its a fake but then, everyone has an opinion that we all should respect.

That's not strictly true, is it?

I mean, if evidence comes to light proving that any trial material is fake, what store should be placed in the procedings of that trial?

If - for example - it turned out that these 'confessions' were obtained under torture, and are motivated ONLY by the torture, and not any attempt to spread truth.... if it became evident that, indeed, the things confessed to could not have been the work of this chap...

If - under those circumstances - someone told you their 'opinion' of what should be the punishment for those 'crimes', based on the faked evidence - should that 'opinion' be respected?


If you can't get round the obvious bias inherent in our mindset:

How about we assume that YOU are imprisoned and tortured, tomorrow? How about we assume you are repeatedly tortured until you admit to a crime you might or might not have committed?

What would you think of the 'opinions' of others?

That's because sweden does not have a back bone. Alwell. I'm glad I don't live there.

No, it's cause they do have something called accountibility. Something we could do with more of in the US.

That's not strictly true, is it?

I mean, if evidence comes to light proving that any trial material is fake, what store should be placed in the procedings of that trial?

None and that goes for any court, not just military courts.

What would you think of the 'opinions' of others?

I respect all opinions regardless if I agree with it or not.

This isnt necessarily true,but very popular notion on TV shows and movies.

Inspired by real life.


Do you seriously think the people talking with this individual dont know what they are doing?

Oh they know what they are doing, they want him to sing, and he will sing because A) He's a reknowned attention seeker

and B) He wants the torture to stop.

This isnt the Vietnam war where US soldiers were actually physically and mentally tortured for years.

No it's often US soldiers or shadowy agents doing that nasty business.


Many of which never gave up any secrets or complied with thier torturors in any way.

Believe that, and you believe anything.

Let's not forget Zack Moussaoui, who was ranting like an action-movie jihadist when he thought he was going to fry, then started thanking the American Justice system and changed his story to "I was a patsy for Al-Qaeda" when he got life in prison instead.

Another attention whore who really didn't do as much as he claimed.


According to the Busheviks here on NSG, it's not torture until footage gets leaked to the public. Over 4 years for a confession, rather convenient no? You'd think Khalid and Bush were scratching each others back. KSM confesses to all sorts of thing and he gets 15 more minutes of fame, Bush gives his worshippers a hardon to get worked up about and material to try and convince everyone else he's fighting terrur.


Bin Laden is to Bush what Goldstein was to Big Brother.

The manipulation of fear as means to control the population.

I respect all opinions regardless if I agree with it or not.

I don't believe that is true. I certainly hope it isn't.

If someone states an opinion that suggests you spend a lot of time up against walls with sailors, for small change, I would hope you would consider their opinion to be less valid (on that matter) than your own, for example.

BULLSHIT. I do not support atrocities against Muslims in any way, shape, or form. This post is nothing more than flamebaiting. Prove I support atrocities against Muslims!
Bullshit huh?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10761157&postcount=370

Bullshit huh?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10761157&postcount=370

And Corny wonders why I've given him the title of Communal Property.

CH for the finisher and win.

Bullshit huh?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10761157&postcount=370

You still have not proven that I support atrocities against Muslims CH. Also, you do take sarcasm a little to seriously.

And yes, I do favor peace over war. Only a stupid idiot would have it reverse.

I'm waiting for an answer...

sadaam had one and many still criticized it-maybe its only "fair" if the guy is found innocent-or pleads down and gets time served and public service.

Does this guy somehow deserve any "fair" trial or lawyer? What laws did he live by?
Maybe treat him exactly as those laws allow.

By this logic, the women and children of Germany should have been gassed and burned in ovens, since that was "the law they lived by."

What separates good and civilized people from savages and degenerates like this post makes you out to appear to be is that we good and civilized people believe that it is incumbent upon us as such to follow just laws, even if unjust people don't.


It is always easier to do the wrong thing than the right.

I think he's talking out of his soon to be dead ass.

He's bragging to make himself more important. And to make him a MASSIVE Martyr.