NationStates Jolt Archive

If I was renting student accommodation* (which often works out cheaper -though not more value- than ordinary accommodation as bills are often included) and there were no rules in the contract against using my house for this, do you reckon it would be illegal under some law or byelaw? (I can't be arsed finding the right counsil department right now):

Selling hot vegan foods to the public (eg. toast with 'Pure' sunflower spread, beans on toast, chips, chips and beans, 'cheezly' on toast, bread with jam, soup, etc.) as long as I was not doing it for a profit but rather a community resource - with a mini library as well as leaflets and info on various sources (despite some posts you may have seen on here, I actually do know about a lot of useful stuff - eg. places that help drug users, places that help kids, places that can tell you about martial arts, etc)?

P.S. The reason I want to do it is partly to promote veganism and partly as a community resource (bear in mind though that it would just be a house so I wouldn't be able to use it as an exhibition space or anything really big)

P.P.S. What about if I WAS making profit?

*or any accommodation actually

I am pretty sure you would be outside the 'Housing' zoning given to your building if it was open to the public like that.

My main concern for you would be: How can you gaurantee health safety?

Once upon a time, I went to a school that sold crappy food. I offered that "hey, we could form a band of students that could make food and sell it" it was met with "That's a good idea. However, our insurance doesn't cover it, so we ain't risking it."

Basically, what happens if somebody gets food poisoning from your food?

I agree with Shx. And you need to get yourself arsed to go find out because the disappointment you might experience if we're right will be nothing compared to the legal hassles you could be in for if you don't find out and we're still right.

If you are in England or Wales:
Best if you ask your council licensing department as I imagine you will need a premises licence. That'll be the district council (if you have one) or the city council.
I think you will need a food hygiene certificate if you are going to prepare food for the public, even if you don't charge for it.

If you are anywhere else:
Dunno mate.

Cheers people.

I'm in England btw.

Incidentally, seems councils don't have much power even when it comes to byelaws - the Secretary of State can object to the byelaws even if they don't contravene national law.

You're a vegan? Die. You give us Vegetarians a bad name.

That's not a very life-friendly statement for a vegetarian. And no we don't. Vegetarians who go round being hostile (such as yourself) give vegetarians a bad name

You're a vegan? Die. You give us Vegetarians a bad name.

Food hygene certificate == important.

Talking to your landlord so you don't get evicted when he finds out what you're up to == important.

Treating NSG as your personal legal advice helpline == daft.

Incidentally, seems councils don't have much power even when it comes to byelaws - the Secretary of State can object to the byelaws even if they don't contravene national law.

Bylaws probably aren't an issue; the Licensing Act 2003 probably is. You'll most likely have to fill in a form and maybe pay an application fee. If I was you, I'd get the mini library thing up and running first, and then go on a food hygiene course.

If you're in the UK then why not visit a Citizen's Advice Bureau instead of asking random people on the internet? :D

That's not a very life-friendly statement for a vegetarian. And no we don't. Vegetarians who go round being hostile (such as yourself) give vegetarians a bad name

I don't need to be life friendly. I don't eat meat. Vegetarianism has nothing to do with violence and non-violence. I also don't go around converting people to my cause and handing out leaflets on why people should stop eating meat.

I have bad experiences with vegans, probably the most frustrating of which was the time a vegan member of PETA lectured before an assembly of over a hundred HINDU VEGETARIANS during a conference, giving a 2 hour slide show presentation on why we shouldn't eat meat or drink milk.

I don't know about your definition of hostile, but I'd say ruining someone's lunch with images of factory farms is pretty fucking hostile.

If you're in the UK then why not visit a Citizen's Advice Bureau

Because life is short.
Besides, I'm a random person on the internet, and I've told him which council department he needs to speak to. If he told me where he lives, I could probably give him their phone number.

I don't need to be life friendly. I don't eat meat. Vegetarianism has nothing to do with violence and non-violence. I also don't go around converting people to my cause and handing out leaflets on why people should stop eating meat.

For a lot of vegetarians, it does mean respecting life, which is often a reason for becoming vegetarian. To say killing animals is bad but wishing death on humans does, whether you admit it or not, give a bad name to those who care about animals, whether vegetarian, vegan, or other.

I have bad experiences with vegans, probably the most frustrating of which was the time a vegan member of PETA lectured before an assembly of over a hundred HINDU VEGETARIANS during a conference, giving a 2 hour slide show presentation on why we shouldn't eat meat or drink milk.

I don't know about your definition of hostile, but I'd say ruining someone's lunch with images of factory farms is pretty fucking hostile.

I have had bad experiences with vegans. I have had bad experiences with vegetarians. I have had bad experiences with black people. I have had bad experiences with white people. I have had bad experiences with animals. But each of those experiences doesn't represent the majority, and If you think it does then you might as well hate everyone, including yourself, because I'm sure someone has had a bad experience with you at some time in your life.

Most vegetarians and vegans I've met are friendly people, who care about lives of animals and humans and think that people like the ALF (animal Liberation Front) are giving us and other animal rights protestors/activists a bad name by harming humans.

I personally think PETA was wrong to do that, if the audience was vegetarian (at least where the meat is concerned, though perhaps they wanted to try to make sure people stayed vegetarian).

So again, in case you missed it: By getting on your high horse and suggesting that you are better than vegans just because you're vegetarian (whilst still contributing to animal cruelty) and suggesting that therefore vegans should die, YOU, not vegans, are giving vegetarians a bad name.